Re: [WISPA] I need a climber / tower maintainer...
I don't know if things have been arranged yet. Are you in the area? +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a climber / tower maintainer... Mark, Do you still have a need for these services? Regards, Mike I need someone who will do some reasonably priced tower climbing AND maintain a sadly neglected tower.The guys are not properly tensioned, and haven't been since it was erected some 5 - 7 years ago. I want to put stuff on this tower, but I refuse to be responsible for damage, should something happen because of the improper guy tension, etc. http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/klrftrans.jpg The tower owners / station managers have asked for references for someone to do this. How do I go about finding people? I don't see nuttin the yellow pages. This is for Eastern Oregon. Mark -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among Industrialized Nations
U.S. Still Lags In Broadband Access Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among Industrialized Nations By Martin H. Bosworth ConsumerAffairs.Com September 17, 2006 The constant refrain of major telecommunications and cable companies is that there's heavy competition for the Internet user's dollar. But heavy competition doesn't mean being able to choose only between Comcast and Verizon, and a newly published report reminds us that the United States still lags far behind the rest of the world in providing affordable broadband to its citizens. Broadband Reality Check II, an update to a report published last year by Consumers Union, the Consumer Federation of America, and media policy group Free Press, found that the United States continues to promote duopolies between major telecom and cable providers as real competition, that the level of Americans' access to the Internet can be severely restricted by income level and geographic area, and that the FCC uses misleading statistics to claim that competition is healthy for consumers. America appears to be a land of broadband haves and have-nots, where rural and low-income citizens are left behind in the information economy, the report stated. This situation is the result of failed policy and a lack of imagination and vision from our policymakers. Among the report's findings: • The United States continues to rank 16th among industrialized nations for broadband development and penetration. Not only that, but broadband customers in countries such as Japan and South Korea enjoy broadband speeds that are hundreds of times faster, and can enjoy bundled television, phone, and Internet services for $25-$35 dollars, roughly the same price as a standalone U.S. broadband connection. • The U.S. broadband market is essentially a series of regional duopolies, with the top four cable and telephone companies -- Comcast, Verizon, ATT, and Time Warner -- controlling over 83 percent of the entire broadband market, while buyouts and mergers of companies like ATT and BellSouth serve to reduce actual competitive markets even more. • The FCC continues to use ZIP codes that register one broadband provider as proof that broadband penetration is comprehensive across the U.S. But a recent report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that the ZIP code method didn't account for the lack of more than one provider in any given region. • The GAO also found that rural households and families with incomes of less than $30,000 were four times less likely to have broadband Internet access than urban households or those with incomes $75,000 and higher. A full third of American households are still stuck with dial-up as their only choice for Internet access. The report comes at a time when telecommunications issues are very much on the minds of lawmakers. The massive update to the Telecommunications Act of 1996 had many provisions to address broadband access, most of which favored the duopoly system, and seemed ready to pass both the House and Senate. But consumer groups and technology companies were angered over the lack of protection for net neutrality, the right of any Internet user or content provider to access the Interent on an equal footing with others. They launched a massive grassroots campaign that drew media attention to the cozy state of affairs for the telcos and cable companies Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), author of the Senate's version of the telecom bill, recently acknowledged that the bill was all but dead and would have to be partitioned into individual bills to have any chance of passing. One portion of both the House and Senate bills addresses the concept of publicly-funded municipal wireless networks, or Municipal Wi-Fi for short. Although many cities and towns are developing their own wireless systems for free or low-cost use, heavy telecom lobbying has pushed 15 states to ban any sort of initiatives for Wi-Fi. Telecom companies such as ATT are determined to roll-out high-speed broadband networks and provide platforms for TV over Internet services such as MobiTV. The company favors tiered pricing models that will enable only the richest clients to pay for the best service. Critics fear that without truly affordable broadband and equal access to content, the digital divide between rich and poor will continue to grow, and the middle-class users will be stuck in the slow lane of Internet access. As the authors of the Broadband Reality Check put it, Faith-based policy and wishful thinking will not bring broadband to rural areas, and the repeated use of misleading data will not help low-income consumers afford broadband. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/09/cfa_broadband.html --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Initial SR9 test results
Who sells that Teletronics antenna, link, cost Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote: Larry Yunker wrote: Let us know more about the configuration(s) and maybe we can figure out what else you should try. OK here's the Sector antenna: http://www.teletronics.com/tant900sector12-5dbi.html The yagi's are PacWireless YA9-13 Interesting that at the customer with the yagi in the attic, the CPE-tower signal was weaker than the tower-CPE signal. Both running the Ubiquiti 900 cards on a RB112 and the sector antenna is 12.5 db gain so you would think the signals at each end should be pretty close. THanks leon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges
George, As quoted from the article; After RUS unknowingly approved payment of the fraudulent invoice and transferred the appropriate loan proceeds to Stonebridge, Gowdy paid Mainstream by check. As part of the scheme, Mainstream then returned the funds to Stonebridge. Gowdy used those funds for various business purposes, including covering the Stonebridge company payroll. In addition, he often added the funds to legitimately-obtained money, using the commingled result for personal purposes. After reading the article I googled Mainstream Solutions and coincidently they are located on the same street. How is it only Stonebridge was in trouble for this? Who knows maybe we will here more about this. h... Regards, Dawn DiPietro NEW-ISP George Rogato wrote: defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota. http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations
I get more and more frustrated with these kinds of titles... You'd think there wasn't broadband available. There's broadband available in an amazingly wide area... But you can't force consumers to buy it. This is probably just the first volley of a campaign to gin up a few hundred billion to give to the telcos as subsidy to lower the price of broadband... We should be very wary of this kind of misleading stuff, it's going to bite us big time if we don't speak up and get some real perspective seen. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations U.S. Still Lags In Broadband Access Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among Industrialized Nations By Martin H. Bosworth ConsumerAffairs.Com September 17, 2006 The constant refrain of major telecommunications and cable companies is that there's heavy competition for the Internet user's dollar. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tango Funding
Tango Networks coy about funding round At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006 http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least $9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing. Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, include the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No other institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing. -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding
Funny that their site only mentions they are a software company. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tango Funding Tango Networks coy about funding round At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006 http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least $9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing. Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, include the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No other institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing. -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations
We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has Internet. The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet. Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet. So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some switch back to cheaper dial-up. The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration? The marketing question is: What Remarkable Useful things can you do with broadband (other than entertainment)? That's my 2 cents. Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding
right... TANGO not TRANGO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding Funny that their site only mentions they are a software company. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tango Funding Tango Networks coy about funding round At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006 http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least $9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing. Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, include the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No other institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing. -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times over the weekend.) There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, and what doesn't? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a few of my own scripts to process the data. Not doing anything fancy right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times over the weekend.) There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, and what doesn't? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
David, I'd revisit that Ntop again... I have ran these in telco environments and as long as the box is properly engineered to handle the segment it is monitoring they just simply work, day in and day out. As I recall, the longest uptime hit 11 mos. and as I am no longer with that telco I cannot comment further on what it has been since then, but provided the variables are all still the same, it would not surprise me for it to have never missed a lick in the past two years. -RacerX http://www.markw.net This email may be confidential. Any distribution, use or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error, please advise me (by return email or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel est confidentiel. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que les destinataires dsigns est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser immdiatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. Este mensaje es confidencial. Cualquier distribucin, uso o copia del mensaje o de la informacin en el contenido por otras personas distintas de los destinatarios esta prohibida. Si usted recibe este mensaje por error, por favor comunquemelo inmediatamente mediante reenvo del mensaje o por otro medio. On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 13:36 -0500, David E. Smith wrote: As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times over the weekend.) There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, and what doesn't? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower power
We have an enclosure @ 400 that is powered from the same circuit as tower lighting. Its been acting a little strange lately, so we went up with a voltmeter to check the power. The meter showed fluctuations from 140-170v AC at the outlet. We tested at the back of the ups and have a steady 130v. This powers a waverider CCU and a couple backhauls. Im not an electrician, known enough to be dangerous. Is the 130 enough to make my gear get squirrely? The ups seems to be keeping the voltage steady at the backend. Im thinking of putting an isolation xformer in. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
Sam Tetherow wrote: I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a few of my own scripts to process the data. Not doing anything fancy right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. Ooh, that tickles my shell scripting fancy. ;) How much disk and CPU space is that using for you, and how much throughput are you tracking flows for? I know that Netflow only has to keep some basic information on the packet, not the whole packet itself, but even headers on my 20Mbps (peak) network could add up. (Also, how far back do you keep flow data? Obviously, if you're only keeping a week's worth, that's not as resource-intensive as a month, and so on.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower power
130 output I wouldn't think is a problem, but I would think something is wrong at 170 at the outlet. I know some UPSes will either go to battery or shutdonw before that. I do not know the specs on power company voltage, but that is just too high. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] tower power We have an enclosure @ 400 that is powered from the same circuit as tower lighting. Its been acting a little strange lately, so we went up with a voltmeter to check the power. The meter showed fluctuations from 140-170v AC at the outlet. We tested at the back of the ups and have a steady 130v. This powers a waverider CCU and a couple backhauls. Im not an electrician, known enough to be dangerous. Is the 130 enough to make my gear get squirrely? The ups seems to be keeping the voltage steady at the backend. Im thinking of putting an isolation xformer in. Thanks Chris --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
David E. Smith wrote: As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times over the weekend.) There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, and what doesn't? IPTrack works pretty well. http://dev.webpipe.net/iptrack/ Jeremy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
Sam, I download nfdump and I think it works. What do you use for startup command for nfcapd? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a few of my own scripts to process the data. Not doing anything fancy right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times over the weekend.) There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, and what doesn't? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps-Original Message-From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestAgreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today andprobably always will be for the mobile user.I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data cardright now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven'tmissed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, onrooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and itis only getting better.Best,Brad-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of David E. SmithSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestScott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see theradar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, howdo you charge for installation, service, etc.?Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cellphone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems Ican (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort ofroaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it acouple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. Butunless your whole network already happens to support that, or thecustomer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probablygonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they'relooking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)David SmithMVN.net-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
Regarding cable That makes since. We really like the Arc wireless cable because it meets the need for 70% of the CPE side installs (residential and small business) with ease of use and the right price. The industry really needed a product like that. But the ARC cable is what it is, and is no substitution for high grade cable when it is needed. The Superior Essex we use now, has been proven to be awesome. We use it the other 25% of the time, when we have long runs or have to extend across gravel flat roof (where there is risk it will be submerged in water or walked on.). Many don't realize that it is not just the metal shielding that gives isolation from interference (environmental or self induced crosstalk). The non-metalic outer jacket and inner jacket of the wires also have isolating characteristics that contribute. There is something to be said for total thickness of a cable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION Good points. Likely I will not touch it again unless it breaks. I'll try to get a make on the good cable, but I know the cheap stuff I ran yesterday is the arc wireless shielded, flooded, drainwire, I picked up 6 months ago when it was $69 a roll. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: So the question that arises, is why did that fix it? I see two possibilities 1) Poor quality cable or cable shields. (Loss running Ethernet data parallel to power) 2) Sharing a CAT5 jack on the 532 main board for Power and Data. Travis previously talked about the horrid RF interferrence that the 532 board generated when using 48V, due to the 532 onboard power converter/supply. I'm wondering if the distortion/loss was at the board itself apposed to cable? It would have been interesting to know, if you used one cable for both data and power, but terminated the data pairs to a different Ethernet port instead of the POE port used for power. What also would have been interesting would have been to know wether a 18V power supply would have worked on a shared single cable. Different ethernet chipsets do have different characteristics and ranges. So it is possible that just the different chip made the difference based on compatibilty or characteristics of chip. But the other reasons are just as probable. What brand (not just shield type) cable were you using? I realize that you would not likely pursue additional tests as you found a fix already, but it would be interesting to know, just so we can keep collecting data should we experience similar problems in the future. We had a similar situation that was due to chipset. We ran 10 mbps ethernet 550 feet to our subscriber. (different radio brand). We used a slightly higher power voltage to make up for cable loss. Our laptops worked great over the link. The customer's 3 identical routers could not stay connected for long. We were not sure if it was a speed autodetection issue, or the distance for the chip to work. We installed a 10mbps Cisco Switch in between their router and our cable dmarc in their premise, and it all worked. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION I started with RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe injector to router. Major packet loss. 2) switched RB 532 out. No change. 3) Created test setup on ground with bad board and it looked fine. (from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB) 4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend. 5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 2/3. And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, ect.setup. I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough for me. FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used the original cable for data (it has real shield) I used my new 2 (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the heck of it. Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test. Hope that sums it all up. Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it is only getting better. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
nfcapd -w -D -l /var/lib/nfcapd/flow/edge1 -p 2055 -B 128000 -I Edge1 -P /var/run/nfcapd/nfcapd.edge1.pid I also use the -x flag to run a script that parses the information out into files by IP/date for graphing purposes. I really don't know if it is all that optimal, I set it up when I put in the DS3 Mikrotik box and it has just work so far so I haven't had to tweak things. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Scott Reed wrote: Sam, I download nfdump and I think it works. What do you use for startup command for nfcapd? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ *-- Original Message ---* From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a few of my own scripts to process the data. Not doing anything fancy right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times over the weekend.) There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, and what doesn't? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *--- End of Original Message ---* !DSPAM:16,450f0a68101359119242804! http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,450f0a68101359119242804 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Hello Ken, Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion). grin Pulling current, animated radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation from www.testmy.net : :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB) Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1) Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW Ive seen well over 1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like this: Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237 Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2: Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms Tracert looks like this: Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 171 ms 157 ms 162 ms 68.28.177.69 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 191 ms 183 ms 190 ms 68.28.187.54 4 326 ms 162 ms 156 ms 68.28.187.6 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 162 ms 158 ms 164 ms 68.28.187.97 8 168 ms 153 ms 160 ms 68.28.187.18 9 194 ms 162 ms 157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69] 10 171 ms 161 ms 157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85] 11 161 ms 159 ms 188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38] 12 173 ms 193 ms 189 ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21] 13 186 ms 186 ms 184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33] 14 180 ms 183 ms 187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83] 15 384 ms 173 ms 167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73] 16 166 ms 193 ms 206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16] 17 180 ms 183 ms 192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40] 18 423 ms 224 ms 199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] Trace complete. As with most things YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary) grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just
[WISPA] OT FYI: New position
Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following note: Dear WISPA members, I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials. As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs. Details will come a bit later. I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as well as making lots of new friends. Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you are an Alvarion-based operator. Sincerely, Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
Did you write your own scipt for the -x option? I was looking at the example in man nfcapd that shows using nfprofile and even read man nfprofile and don't really see what I want to do with it. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:03:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? nfcapd -w -D -l /var/lib/nfcapd/flow/edge1 -p 2055 -B 128000 -I Edge1 -P /var/run/nfcapd/nfcapd.edge1.pid I also use the -x flag to run a script that parses the information out into files by IP/date for graphing purposes. I really don't know if it is all that optimal, I set it up when I put in the DS3 Mikrotik box and it has just work so far so I haven't had to tweak things. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Scott Reed wrote: Sam, I download nfdump and I think it works. What do you use for startup command for nfcapd? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ *-- Original Message ---* From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a few of my own scripts to process the data. Not doing anything fancy right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times over the weekend.) There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, and what doesn't? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *--- End of Original Message ---* !DSPAM:16,450f0a68101359119242804! http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,450f0a68101359119242804 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
Not really sure on CPU usage, I don't notice it and it is on a pretty all-purpose AMD64. I capture on a 5 minute interval since that is what I used in my previous setup. I am running about 10 gig/month in data and currently haven't deleted anything since I started in May. It looks like you can get about a 4.5:1 compression on the data using bzip2 though so I would be looking at a little over 2G/month compressed data My throughput on average is running about 15M and about 10M of that is torrents that I seed for various IPTV programs and linux distributions. With the current price of hard drives I don't see the need for getting rid of the flow data from a technical standpoint. I'm not sure if I want to keep that kind of data on my customers that long though. I have just been too lazy to get rid of it at this point. Maybe after I spend some more time thinking about what I actually want to save. Like port statistics and possibly generic destination statistics (like they did x% of traffic to y number of sites). Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: Sam Tetherow wrote: I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a few of my own scripts to process the data. Not doing anything fancy right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. Ooh, that tickles my shell scripting fancy. ;) How much disk and CPU space is that using for you, and how much throughput are you tracking flows for? I know that Netflow only has to keep some basic information on the packet, not the whole packet itself, but even headers on my 20Mbps (peak) network could add up. (Also, how far back do you keep flow data? Obviously, if you're only keeping a week's worth, that's not as resource-intensive as a month, and so on.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Hi Brad, we do need to meet each other one of these days since we are in the same city. Interesting. I may have to look into this further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from other users. What is the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for this? Is the Sprint website the only source? Why do you pay for this weather stuff? Why not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug? Ken Chipps From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Hello Ken, Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion). grin Pulling current, animated radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation from www.testmy.net : :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB) Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1) Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW Ive seen well over 1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like this: Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237 Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2: Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms Tracert looks like this: Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 171 ms 157 ms 162 ms 68.28.177.69 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 191 ms 183 ms 190 ms 68.28.187.54 4 326 ms 162 ms 156 ms 68.28.187.6 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 162 ms 158 ms 164 ms 68.28.187.97 8 168 ms 153 ms 160 ms 68.28.187.18 9 194 ms 162 ms 157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69] 10 171 ms 161 ms 157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85] 11 161 ms 159 ms 188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38] 12 173 ms 193 ms 189 ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21] 13 186 ms 186 ms 184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33] 14 180 ms 183 ms 187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83] 15 384 ms 173 ms 167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73] 16 166 ms 193 ms 206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16] 17 180 ms 183 ms 192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40] 18 423 ms 224 ms 199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] Trace complete. As with most things YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary) grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint
[WISPA] OT FYI: Change in position
Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following note: Dear WISPA members, I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials. As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs. Details will come a bit later. I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as well as making lots of new friends. Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you are an Alvarion-based operator. Sincerely, Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Also, agreed, the Sprint card is used by our field engineering and at two of the past dozen conferences where we had a booth, that card was better than the congested Internet connection that they provided to the exhibitors. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it is only getting better. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
On Mon, September 18, 2006 5:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? I'd assume RDC is Remote Desktop, Windows' answer to PC Anywhere and VNC. And the Sprint cards are, I'm told, surprisingly good. Some folks have reported getting data rates in excess of 1Mbps - not blazing fast, but beats the pants off dialup, and pretty good if you're speeding down the highway. The average speeds seem to be 512k or thereabouts, unless you're in a major metropolitan area (which will have newer better tower gear, thus better speeds), which still ain't nothing to sneeze at. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, David E. Smith wrote: Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support Voodoo? LOL. What we did was not magic, but was certainly not an off the shelf solution. ;-) that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) While I must say that it would not require rebuilding the network (a Mikrotik client is all that is required for the solution I built), it is pretty likely that the coverage area would be much better with the cell card. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my This is good news to hear. I am always happy to see a manufacturer looking toward this market segment. energies will be full time dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as an industry. Over the past few years I have always valued your thoughtful posts, though I find myself in disagreement with you more often than not. You have always made me consider my positions very carefully, and provide some very convincing arguments to support yours. At any rate...welcome back. and will also allow me to again be an active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials. This is especially useful and welcomed. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges
Hello George, WOW! I helped Steve get through the USDA Broadband program when we got approved in the broadband pilot program. Barry Monday, September 18, 2006, 11:25:55 AM, you wrote: GR defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million GR in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of GR wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota. GR http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml GR -- GR George Rogato GR Welcome to WISPA GR www.wispa.org GR http://signup.wispa.org/ -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Hello Ken, Yes, it has been some time since we last met. I believe it was with my brother Jack more than a couple years ago at your place near Alvarado. I believe it may have even been before you had a tower up! Time flies! My first mobile data card (still have it in a drawer) was from Air America reselling the Ricochet service. The service was tolerable (200Kbps-300Kbps) if you were stationary, but pretty much unusable while driving. I think I paid $129.00 a month or more for the service! Crazy, but I had to have it! My second data card was Sprints first generation card. This service was far superior to Ricochet in coverage and service while driving was terrific. This is the card I used while driving across country during a couple vacations. Service started out at about 120Kbps-200Kbps and 350-450ms latency which was a bit worse than Ricochet. The service did begin to slow and Sprint moved the couple cards we had to their new service that we have now. I figure $5 a year for a weather service I enjoy is a bargain. I think that works out to just over a penny a day. The site www.wunderground.com really is a great source of information and the five bucks eliminates the advertisements and enables a few additional features. You should check it out during the next stormIm fairly sure the experimental Lightning data is pulled from a client of ours that operates a number of remote sensors our network provides service to. Pretty amazing technology as they can actually predict a lightning strike (cloud to cloud, cloud to ground or ground to cloud) before it happens. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Chipps Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Hi Brad, we do need to meet each other one of these days since we are in the same city. Interesting. I may have to look into this further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from other users. What is the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for this? Is the Sprint website the only source? Why do you pay for this weather stuff? Why not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug? Ken Chipps From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Hello Ken, Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion). grin Pulling current, animated radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation from www.testmy.net : :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB) Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1) Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW Ive seen well over 1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like this: Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237 Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2: Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms Tracert looks like this: Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 171 ms 157 ms 162 ms
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges
I have heard about this on a few lists. Nothing I read indicates that he refused to repay the loans, so how can there be fraud? Doesn't it just burn everybody that someone will commit fraud (supposedly) and then have the audacity to use those funds for payroll? Lonnie On 9/18/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota. http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Remote Desktop Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it is only getting better. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations
Peter R. wrote: We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has Internet. The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet. Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet. So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some switch back to cheaper dial-up. The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration? The marketing question is: What Remarkable Useful things can you do with broadband (other than entertainment)? That's my 2 cents. Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. I agree with you, I still have a considerable amount of dial up subscribers. There needs to be a motivator, other than price, that makes these types of users decide to trade up. They have to want to. And I thought giant pictures killing their email would have done the trick by now :( George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
