Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Man, it sounds like you need a business plan to get out of that town. Your network, I mean. You'll most likely need to either sell out, buy out the other WISP, or branch out either with your wireless network or establish a POP in another town. Do one of these things before you get burned out. 900MHz won't be like 2.4GHz. You won't have the distances which means more APs and backhauls and your CPE will be more expensive for those shorter hops as well. This I'm sure you've heard. Use the omnis for your area...seems appropriate. No geek war needed there. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Let me add a little about what I have to work with. There are 4036 people in the township which is my main coverage area (I fork out a little, but the number are inline with these). 2,288 have access to DSL and Cable. This leaves 1748 people to go after. How many of those want broadband? I just did a quick google and the only number I saw said 30% of rural Americans have broadband. So I'll go with that for my number of who wants it. 30% is about 500 people. I guess this means my township that is 36 square miles has almost 15 subscribers per square mile that are ripe for the picking. And then add the fact that there are 2 total WISPs in this area. Cut the subs in half. I have 7 subs per square mile to go hook up. Wait, it seems like 50% of my site surveys fail due to the darn trees, at least I can still get those 3.5 subs per square mile. :) Now that I have given a little more info, do you guys still recommend sectors? Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
900Mhz noise sources: 1) Paging Systems 2) Other 900Mhz-based Broadband providers 3) Cordless Telephones 4) SCADA (utility monitoring and management systems) 5) Meter Readers 6) Power or Pipeline Companies (often used for non-SCADA-based monitoring) 7) Other consumer devices (baby monitors, cordless headphones, cordless speakers) 8) licensed usage of segments of 902-928Mhz 9) Old cell towers? - Larry - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain I hear this talk about the 900MHz noise. It's not too bad here. Moving forward, what are the new sources of 900MHz noise if my area is ok now? I hear a lot about pagers. Pagers!? What are those? LOL Are there new paging sites going online? I'm just looking for what will cause me trouble in the future. Brian Joe Laura wrote: Sectors are also great for helping with interference. I guess if your spectrum is clean and you think it will stay that way then an omni would be fine. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
inline Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Man, it sounds like you need a business plan to get out of that town. Your network, I mean. You'll most likely need to either sell out, buy out the other WISP, or branch out either with your wireless network or establish a POP in another town. Do one of these things before you get burned out. I'm doing ok. :) I'm only 23 and pretty much a one man band. There are plenty of opportunities within driving distance, but I am waiting on me. I got started as a WISP 3 years ago and didn't even know how to put and end on cat5 cable. I know some of you guys were rf engineers or network guru's in past livessure would have been nice to have one side of the WISP gig mastered from the start. Anyway, I'm content with what I have. I'm growing at a pace I set. A pace that I control. It's too easy to get caught up in the get big...hook up everyone right now, right now. I bet my knowledge in this business doubles every couple months. Hopefully through the next year I will be at a point where I can start shooting out some backhauls to remote site where the people are waiting. But for now I'll sit on what I have. I could get branched way out right now, but the thought supporting it scares me. I'm sure I'll know the time to get big when it gets here. It will probably come shortly after the phone stops ringing my Internet is down. :) At that point I'll really have the confidence in what I know and be confident in what I have built. Brian 900MHz won't be like 2.4GHz. You won't have the distances which means more APs and backhauls and your CPE will be more expensive for those shorter hops as well. This I'm sure you've heard. Use the omnis for your area...seems appropriate. No geek war needed there. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Let me add a little about what I have to work with. There are 4036 people in the township which is my main coverage area (I fork out a little, but the number are inline with these). 2,288 have access to DSL and Cable. This leaves 1748 people to go after. How many of those want broadband? I just did a quick google and the only number I saw said 30% of rural Americans have broadband. So I'll go with that for my number of who wants it. 30% is about 500 people. I guess this means my township that is 36 square miles has almost 15 subscribers per square mile that are ripe for the picking. And then add the fact that there are 2 total WISPs in this area. Cut the subs in half. I have 7 subs per square mile to go hook up. Wait, it seems like 50% of my site surveys fail due to the darn trees, at least I can still get those 3.5 subs per square mile. :) Now that I have given a little more info, do you guys still recommend sectors? Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Larry Yunker wrote: 900Mhz noise sources: 1) Paging Systems is is likely new sites are being deployed? 2) Other 900Mhz-based Broadband providers should be able to channel plan and work with them 3) Cordless Telephones shouldn't effect me THAT much 4) SCADA (utility monitoring and management systems) should be able to channel plan and work with them 5) Meter Readers shouldn't this only be in city limits? 6) Power or Pipeline Companies (often used for non-SCADA-based monitoring) don't know about this one 7) Other consumer devices (baby monitors, cordless headphones, cordless speakers) shouldn't effect me THAT much 8) licensed usage of segments of 902-928Mhz don't know what is in my area 9) Old cell towers? not here. We just got cell service. Too rural to have old technology anything - Larry To sum it up, so far I would draw the conclusion I'd be pretty safe with my caculated risk of going with an economical v-pol omni for 900MHz. Brian - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain I hear this talk about the 900MHz noise. It's not too bad here. Moving forward, what are the new sources of 900MHz noise if my area is ok now? I hear a lot about pagers. Pagers!? What are those? LOL Are there new paging sites going online? I'm just looking for what will cause me trouble in the future. Brian Joe Laura wrote: Sectors are also great for helping with interference. I guess if your spectrum is clean and you think it will stay that way then an omni would be fine. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? I wouldn't count on it. The service needs to have T.38 compatibility. I believe that BroadVoice offers that. but, you could get a separate fax service which forwards fax to your email. I think that would be a better solution. Like you, I do stuff on the cheap. I've learned that it's not always the best route. Don't disregard these folks' suggestions. I'm sure many of them started with the cheap stuff and learned the hard way; now, they're offering you this advice for free. good luck, bw -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Larry Yunker wrote: 900Mhz noise sources: 1) Paging Systems is is likely new sites are being deployed? It is likely that SOMEONE has already licensed the spectrum... If there is a market for pager services, they will eventually deploy. If there is no perceived market, they will likely sit on the license until forced to give it up. 2) Other 900Mhz-based Broadband providers should be able to channel plan and work with them You can work with them if: (1) they don't drop in a Canopy Cluster (2) they don't use an Alvarion or other FREQUENCY HOPPING type radio 3) Cordless Telephones shouldn't effect me THAT much Cordless Telephones are usually only a problem when houses are grouped close together. One of the biggest problems that I experienced with 900Mhz was when we would hook up a client INSIDE a neighborhood and later find out that his neighbor had a 900Mhz cordless phone. Every time that the neighbor would receive a call, my client would lose signal. AND for those lurking this particular link was a Waverider showing -70 RSSI with a -90+ noise floor. The damn cordless phone was the ONLY problem with the link. 4) SCADA (utility monitoring and management systems) should be able to channel plan and work with them Most SCADA systems are FREQUENCY HOPPING... you can't plan around those. 5) Meter Readers shouldn't this only be in city limits? I've only seen 900Mhz meter-readers within a city-limits. As long as you are broadcasting and receiving a few miles outside of the nearest city, you probably won't have issues. 6) Power or Pipeline Companies (often used for non-SCADA-based monitoring) don't know about this one Get a 900Mhz spectrum analyzer and drive your area or better yet connect it to an antenna up HIGH on the tower that you plan on using... see what kind of noise you see. 7) Other consumer devices (baby monitors, cordless headphones, cordless speakers) shouldn't effect me THAT much The only consumer device that ever knocked me out was the cordless phones... but I did have to tell a customer not to use his cordless headphones while on the internet... the 900mhz cordless headphones were causing packet-loss. 8) licensed usage of segments of 902-928Mhz don't know what is in my area Look it up on the FCC web site. 9) Old cell towers? not here. We just got cell service. Too rural to have old technology anything No OLD Analog cell service? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
nod, mostly miss. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages will almost always go through. If you tell Vonage the line is going to be used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance. Also, some faxes will perform better than others. I believe Vonage has a list of preferred fax brands/models as well. YMMV... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages will almost always go through. If you tell Vonage the line is going to be used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance. Also, some faxes will perform better than others. I believe Vonage has a list of preferred fax brands/models as well. YMMV... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Hi, Buy a vertical omni and do a site survey. If everything looks clear, install it. Hook up customers. However, when/if the noise starts, be prepared to sectorize. :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Let me add a little about what I have to work with. There are 4036 people in the township which is my main coverage area (I fork out a little, but the number are inline with these). 2,288 have access to DSL and Cable. This leaves 1748 people to go after. How many of those want broadband? I just did a quick google and the only number I saw said 30% of rural Americans have broadband. So I'll go with that for my number of who wants it. 30% is about 500 people. I guess this means my township that is 36 square miles has almost 15 subscribers per square mile that are ripe for the picking. And then add the fact that there are 2 total WISPs in this area. Cut the subs in half. I have 7 subs per square mile to go hook up. Wait, it seems like 50% of my site surveys fail due to the darn trees, at least I can still get those 3.5 subs per square mile. :) Now that I have given a little more info, do you guys still recommend sectors? Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] on call staff
Hi, That's not legal (at least not in Idaho). Someone on salary still can only work 40 hours per week unless they are a manager, meaning they have 3 people under them, or they are a professional position (lawyer, doctor, etc.). One of my friends owns a drafting company. Had everyone on Salary for 2 years and was working them 50+ hours per week. They fired a guy and so he turned them into the Dept Labor. After the audit, they had to pay back overtime to everyone (costing them almost $40,000 for the 2 year period). We have guys on call. If they have to go after hours, we give them time off during the payperiod so they aren't over 40 hours. Travis Microserv David E. Smith wrote: chris cooper wrote: How do the rest of you compensate tech staff for on call duties? We have an on call tech that monitors network remotely throughout weekend and is responsible for rolling to tower/major customer in case of outage. Put 'em on salary, that way you can work them as much as you want without guilt. ;) I'm not a tower climber, but I'm the one on-call pretty much all the time. In the event of a big problem, I'll usually triage it (drive to the tower, see if it's just a power outage or something else I can't easily fix), and if it's something for which we need the tower guy, I call him (and he gets normal overtime pay). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] on call staff
Travis Johnson wrote: That's not legal (at least not in Idaho). Someone on salary still can only work 40 hours per week unless they are a manager, meaning they have 3 people under them, or they are a professional position (lawyer, doctor, etc.). My business card says Network Administrator, which probably qualifies me as a professional. Realistically, though, it's rarely a problem; we only have big weekend outages once every couple of months. Besides, it gets me out of the house. :D Obviously, this is one of those things that will vary from state to state, and is probably best taken up with your friendly neighbourhood lawyer. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]
All, I've seen this situation now several times, and wonder if someone on the list has an explaination for it. Last week we took down one of our APs (802.11b) for several hours to replace it with a new one. We ran into some issues and had to fall back to using the original system. We brought up the original system after being down for 3 or 4 hours. Of the 25 subs, 4 or 5 CPEs did not re-associate with the AP. All was cleared up when customers called were instructed to recycle power to outdoor CPEs. This situation happened to 3 different types of CPEs that we have in the field for this AP. Is there something fundamental in the 802.11b specification that I am missing? Has anyone else seen this before? I'm now ready to replace the AP with the new equipment, but worry that I'll have CPE re-association issues again if off-line for too long (2-4 hours?). Thanks for your replies, Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]
rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Of the 25 subs, 4 or 5 CPEs did not re-associate with the AP. All was cleared up when customers called were instructed to recycle power to outdoor CPEs. This situation happened to 3 different types of CPEs that we have in the field for this AP. I don't think that's anything related to the 802.11b specs, just a quirk. I've seen more than a few CPEs that just act weird, but restarting them (i.e. powercycling) almost always fixes everything. I've gotten most of my customer trained to try that before they even call us. :) I usually explain it with a bad Windows analogy. You know how sometimes your home computer will just do Weird Stuff, and then when you restart it, everything magically gets better? Well, your CPE is just a stripped-down, funny-looking computer... It's probably nothing to worry about, honestly. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Brian, Your numbers are about what we face here. We live in a valley, so we have AP sites that are at least 1,000 feet above the valley floor and we can simply point each antenna up or down the valley and we get enough side lobe to cover the breadth of the valley A standard AP for us is 4 radios with 2 at 900 MHz and 2 at 2.4 GHz. We add another unit with 4 radios at 5 GHz and we have a repeater site that can really make connections and can hook people up. Total power draw is about about 0.7A from 24V or about 17W, which is critical since I use Solar Power at most of my sites. I run 2 POE cables up the tower from the batteries and use a small jumper to connect them. When I'm onsite I simply use one of the radios to connect in with. I find this the cheapest and simplest install since a switch is another failure point and requires more cabling. All towers are tied together with mesh routing and everything is purely routed. The 900 AP's use a PacWireless 9 dB yagi. With an 11 dB yagi at the customer I can get 4 miles from the side of the AP pointing direction, through a few trees on the customer site. From the front I get 25 miles with nearly clear LOS. We can have huge tree count at the 5 mile range but mostly we want a chainsaw beyond that. 900 can poke through trees but the reality is a better signal with better LOS. The 2.4 GHz AP's use a 16 dB sector. I'll add that we found out, the hard way, that we can hit them at 4 miles from behind with a 15 dB antenna at the customer. This requires perfect LOS. When we sorted out the mixed up AP antenna cables the customer signal went from -86 dB to -66 dB. Even at -86 dB they were very usable and able to attain 12 mbps under our throughput test. I'm not sure how you price your service but anybody that cannot get ADSL is really not able to apply ADSL pricing to services that can reach them. Why are you basing your price on the ADSL rate, rather than mixture of what it is costing and what it is worth. Don't gouge them, but simply point out that you do not have mega bucks and subsidies. Explain that if the customer was not more expensive to serve then ADSL would have already served them. Point out that ADSL strictly provides service to easy and cheap to service customers. You are left with the hard ones and that simply costs extra. Lonnie On 11/7/06, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me add a little about what I have to work with. There are 4036 people in the township which is my main coverage area (I fork out a little, but the number are inline with these). 2,288 have access to DSL and Cable. This leaves 1748 people to go after. How many of those want broadband? I just did a quick google and the only number I saw said 30% of rural Americans have broadband. So I'll go with that for my number of who wants it. 30% is about 500 people. I guess this means my township that is 36 square miles has almost 15 subscribers per square mile that are ripe for the picking. And then add the fact that there are 2 total WISPs in this area. Cut the subs in half. I have 7 subs per square mile to go hook up. Wait, it seems like 50% of my site surveys fail due to the darn trees, at least I can still get those 3.5 subs per square mile. :) Now that I have given a little more info, do you guys still recommend sectors? Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from
Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]
What are the brands of the client units? They might very well have the same gear inside which could account for the similar behaviour. Lonnie On 11/8/06, rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've seen this situation now several times, and wonder if someone on the list has an explaination for it. Last week we took down one of our APs (802.11b) for several hours to replace it with a new one. We ran into some issues and had to fall back to using the original system. We brought up the original system after being down for 3 or 4 hours. Of the 25 subs, 4 or 5 CPEs did not re-associate with the AP. All was cleared up when customers called were instructed to recycle power to outdoor CPEs. This situation happened to 3 different types of CPEs that we have in the field for this AP. Is there something fundamental in the 802.11b specification that I am missing? Has anyone else seen this before? I'm now ready to replace the AP with the new equipment, but worry that I'll have CPE re-association issues again if off-line for too long (2-4 hours?). Thanks for your replies, Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] on call staff
Put 'em on salary, that way you can work them as much as you want without guilt. ;) That would be incorrect big-time. Check you local labor laws. Most states, just because someone is on 'Salary' does not automatically make them in-eligible for over-time pay. Keep your life simple, and your moral principles intact for the long run. A work week is 40Hr, when someone works more than that, the need to paid Overtime pay. There are other ways to deal with 'spike' in work time durations, Comp-time, variable schedule etc. The bigger issue in reality is How not to overburden and Burnout your after hours person ! These folks are a lot harder to find, if and when you loose such a person, you would be paying a very heavy personal price for it Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] on call staff chris cooper wrote: How do the rest of you compensate tech staff for on call duties? We have an on call tech that monitors network remotely throughout weekend and is responsible for rolling to tower/major customer in case of outage. Put 'em on salary, that way you can work them as much as you want without guilt. ;) I'm not a tower climber, but I'm the one on-call pretty much all the time. In the event of a big problem, I'll usually triage it (drive to the tower, see if it's just a power outage or something else I can't easily fix), and if it's something for which we need the tower guy, I call him (and he gets normal overtime pay). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
lol...sounds like you've had a rough time with Vonage and faxes. I've been a Vonage customer since December 2002 and have been running my DirecTV, home security and occasional fax through it with little trouble. Granted my faxing has been little to none at home, but the Tivo boxes and alarm system seem to work just fine. We keep two Vonage ATA accounts active and will provide them for a fee for various construction sites we service. Those guys do use the fax a bunch and the feed back has largely been keep your fax down to three or fewer pages and you're good. As I said before, YMMV. I would expect a circuit with marginal packet loss would be a no go for Vonage faxing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Weddell Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages will almost always go through. If you tell Vonage the line is going to be used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance. Also, some faxes will perform better than others. I believe Vonage has a list of preferred fax brands/models as well. YMMV... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISP Going Out of Business Sale
I will be posting this on several lists, so please forgive the cross posts. I have ten customers located in northern Johnson County Texas between Burleson and Alvarado that need a service provider. I have been providing Internet service to them for the past two years, but this is not my main business. As such it has become more trouble than it is worth. Several of these people work from home, so they are desperate. I also have a list of about 30 people I have not been able to connect, who you could connect as well. Anyone interested contact me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ken Chipps -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]
Clients were based on both Senao radio CPEs and Zinwell CPEs On 11/8/06, Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the brands of the client units? They might very well have the same gear inside which could account for the similar behaviour. Lonnie On 11/8/06, rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've seen this situation now several times, and wonder if someone on the list has an explaination for it. Last week we took down one of our APs (802.11b) for several hours to replace it with a new one. We ran into some issues and had to fall back to using the original system. We brought up the original system after being down for 3 or 4 hours. Of the 25 subs, 4 or 5 CPEs did not re-associate with the AP. All was cleared up when customers called were instructed to recycle power to outdoor CPEs. This situation happened to 3 different types of CPEs that we have in the field for this AP. Is there something fundamental in the 802.11b specification that I am missing? Has anyone else seen this before? I'm now ready to replace the AP with the new equipment, but worry that I'll have CPE re-association issues again if off-line for too long (2-4 hours?). Thanks for your replies, Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Brad Belton wrote: Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and Vonage fax lines. They make do with what they have and make the best of it. At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Rick Smith wrote: A general thanks out there to all that voted. All 40% of us. The other 60 ought to be ashamed. Does it still count if everyone I voted for lost? (lolbertarian) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. One has to face facts... The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value of everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain the value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. Some I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most value possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar they can manage to keep away from the tax man. You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my situation, I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at McDonald's. And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor victory in the war on the rich. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Matt- What speed/format FAX is supported now? -Original Message- At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a lot of Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more active social or economic agenda in Washington... but allowing Congress to be harsh on business and harsh on consumers will just serve to put us back in a recession. - Larry - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
341 billion out of... The government has spent approximately 11,600 billion (some rounding here) from 2002 to now. If all we've spent is 341 billion, that's just under 3%. About the same as the paypal fees on a larger purchase... In the overall scope of our nation's budget, the war is not any particularly important issue. With federal expenditures rapidly approaching 3 trillion annually, pretty much funded by the likes of you and me, we really SHOULD pay attention to how the budget is run. It bears no resemblance to how you or I would do it :( +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
That's an argument best left elsewhere.. But... In my view, you really should vote anyway. Besides, at least in places like here, we had a ton of local stuff, some of which will directly impact me or my customers. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Rick Smith wrote: A general thanks out there to all that voted. All 40% of us. The other 60 ought to be ashamed. Does it still count if everyone I voted for lost? (lolbertarian) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Mark, What I tried to say in my post is let's hear the information but present it in a less-extreme fashion without the obviously slanted language such as 'digging into your pocket' and 'shafting you as hard and deep as possible'. Otherwise your post should go to a list that's hosted on a site that is named governmentrant.org, or something like that. Your 2nd post here that I'm replying to now is more along the lines of an appropriate post for this list (sans the parting shot at the end). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. One has to face facts... The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value of everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain the value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. Some I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most value possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar they can manage to keep away from the tax man. You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my situation, I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at McDonald's. And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor victory in the war on the rich. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Kind of a given, Larry.. What I am hoping for is some good conversations about strategies for dealing with it. Most of us just can't afford to pay a high-priced advisor... Yet the impacts are comparatively MUCH larger for a small business than for those big guys who can hire the lawyers and tax advisors. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a lot of Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more active social or economic agenda in Washington... but allowing Congress to be harsh on business and harsh on consumers will just serve to put us back in a recession. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP servicewindow]
That happens all of the time. No idea why. Our folks know to power cycle before they call us. It'll so that with just a few minutes of an outage too. OR changing channels etc. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP servicewindow] All, I've seen this situation now several times, and wonder if someone on the list has an explaination for it. Last week we took down one of our APs (802.11b) for several hours to replace it with a new one. We ran into some issues and had to fall back to using the original system. We brought up the original system after being down for 3 or 4 hours. Of the 25 subs, 4 or 5 CPEs did not re-associate with the AP. All was cleared up when customers called were instructed to recycle power to outdoor CPEs. This situation happened to 3 different types of CPEs that we have in the field for this AP. Is there something fundamental in the 802.11b specification that I am missing? Has anyone else seen this before? I'm now ready to replace the AP with the new equipment, but worry that I'll have CPE re-association issues again if off-line for too long (2-4 hours?). Thanks for your replies, Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
I always find it interesting that people like to spread FUD about taxes. At this point, there is no new tax plan presented, so there is no way to know what impact it will have. Further, from an economic standpoint, it isn't clear that lower taxes are good for businesses. Regardless, this list doesn't need a discussion about politics or taxes since neither are on topic. Finally, if something like taxes is the one thing that is going to make or break your business then your business likely has bigger problems than who controls congress. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a lot of Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more active social or economic agenda in Washington... but allowing Congress to be harsh on business and harsh on consumers will just serve to put us back in a recession. - Larry - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Hey, we're businessmen. We deal with reality. If you dont refer to Congress as digging into your pocket normally, maybe you need to re-think whatever language you obscure the concept with... When the telco targets one of your markets... You have the bullseye on your back... With a political shift in DC, you, again, have become the target. The article I posted is a column written by small business advocates in Washington DC. Read it. They're not using a lot of rosy phraseology to describe what could happen. So how do you duck for cover? +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Mark, What I tried to say in my post is let's hear the information but present it in a less-extreme fashion without the obviously slanted language such as 'digging into your pocket' and 'shafting you as hard and deep as possible'. Otherwise your post should go to a list that's hosted on a site that is named governmentrant.org, or something like that. Your 2nd post here that I'm replying to now is more along the lines of an appropriate post for this list (sans the parting shot at the end). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. One has to face facts... The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value of everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain the value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. Some I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most value possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar they can manage to keep away from the tax man. You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my situation, I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at McDonald's. And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor victory in the war on the rich. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to
Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite APservicewindow]
Interesting. I am beginning to think the failure to associate is kinda widespread, but I can say quite confidently, that even after 2 or 3 hours, 100% of my star-os clients come back. I have never needed one rebooted except for lightning strikes nearby... which appeared to shut them off.. (?) Now, the Asus AP in my house... The non-atheros devices I use will occaisionally behave that way. I have a pda that after a certain amount of being on and out of range will not pick up anything until the wireless is turned off and back on again. It's gotta be some kind of software issue... power saving, maybe? +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite APservicewindow] That happens all of the time. No idea why. Our folks know to power cycle before they call us. It'll so that with just a few minutes of an outage too. OR changing channels etc. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP servicewindow] All, I've seen this situation now several times, and wonder if someone on the list has an explaination for it. Last week we took down one of our APs (802.11b) for several hours to replace it with a new one. We ran into some issues and had to fall back to using the original system. We brought up the original system after being down for 3 or 4 hours. Of the 25 subs, 4 or 5 CPEs did not re-associate with the AP. All was cleared up when customers called were instructed to recycle power to outdoor CPEs. This situation happened to 3 different types of CPEs that we have in the field for this AP. Is there something fundamental in the 802.11b specification that I am missing? Has anyone else seen this before? I'm now ready to replace the AP with the new equipment, but worry that I'll have CPE re-association issues again if off-line for too long (2-4 hours?). Thanks for your replies, Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Good to hear your Asterisk solution is working out well. We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Brad Belton wrote: Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and Vonage fax lines. They make do with what they have and make the best of it. At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
We are using an Asterisk solution over canopy and faxing is hit and miss. On some machines it works fine. Adjusting the baud rate on the machines makes a big difference on some. Some it does not. I have one client faxing 100% and another, one hop in closer and they are maybe 25% and using the same exact machine. Go figure. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Good to hear your Asterisk solution is working out well. We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Brad Belton wrote: Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and Vonage fax lines. They make do with what they have and make the best of it. At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Brad Belton wrote: We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon. Which product is that? My understanding is that Level3 only offers carrier origination and termination; not the full suite of services required to provide retail voice. Further, it is my understanding that Level3's minimum commitment is $25k MRC on their voice services. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. The Dems have made it abundantly clear they do not intend to make the tax relief permanent...No FUD about it. Your taxes are going up if the Dems have anything to do with it. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment I always find it interesting that people like to spread FUD about taxes. At this point, there is no new tax plan presented, so there is no way to know what impact it will have. Further, from an economic standpoint, it isn't clear that lower taxes are good for businesses. Regardless, this list doesn't need a discussion about politics or taxes since neither are on topic. Finally, if something like taxes is the one thing that is going to make or break your business then your business likely has bigger problems than who controls congress. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a lot of Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more active social or economic agenda in Washington... but allowing Congress to be harsh on business and harsh on consumers will just serve to put us back in a recession. - Larry - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Brad Belton wrote: We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon. Which product is that? My understanding is that Level3 only offers carrier origination and termination; not the full suite of services required to provide retail voice. Further, it is my understanding that Level3's minimum commitment is $25k MRC on their voice services. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Huh. It isnt' clear that taking more money from your business with nothing in return hurts your business? It isn't c lear that taking money from your customers and potential customers can hurt your business? What can I say... Some folks must be able to walk on water. Sadly, it's a skill I have not learned. Nor anyone I know. Nor has any small business I've done business with, nor worked for ever managed to say that taxes and regulation have no impact on them... Presenting a straw man doesn't invalidate my statement. Millions of these businesses with bigger problems than who controls Congress employ the majority of all employed people in the US, all of the self-employed, too. These millions of business with bigger problems should probably focus on those bigger problems. If you think government policy is irrelevant to WISP's (and any other small business), I'd like to know what you think is relevant... Where is the government policy debate to which you refer? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Brad Belton wrote: Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. Actually no, it isn't. For all you know the Bush tax cut could be replaced with a different tax cut. You don't know; none of us do. Further, this isn't even relevant until 2009 when there will be a different administration anyway. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Ok, I'll agree and hopefully nothing will change until 2009-2010. If you really believe the Dems are going to offer up a better tax relief plan than what we have right now...I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you as well... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Brad Belton wrote: Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. Actually no, it isn't. For all you know the Bush tax cut could be replaced with a different tax cut. You don't know; none of us do. Further, this isn't even relevant until 2009 when there will be a different administration anyway. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Huh. It isnt' clear that taking more money from your business with nothing in return hurts your business? It isn't c lear that taking money from your customers and potential customers can hurt your business? What can I say... Some folks must be able to walk on water. Sadly, it's a skill I have not learned. Nor anyone I know. Nor has any small business I've done business with, nor worked for ever managed to say that taxes and regulation have no impact on them... Presenting a straw man doesn't invalidate my statement. I am at a loss. Pointing out that every small businessman knows that taxes going up and regulatory costs going up hurts him, because he witnesses it first hand, is a straw man argument? Millions of these businesses with bigger problems than who controls Congress employ the majority of all employed people in the US, all of the self-employed, too. These millions of business with bigger problems should probably focus on those bigger problems. What bigger problems, exactly, were you referring to, when you made this blanket statement? My most insurmountable problems have been: Government. Government... And government. Competition I can beat, no sweat. Technical issues? Just flies to swat down. Government? The one thing that is unmoveable, obstructive, and can does, at mere whim, take you out, and no justice will ever be served. If you think government policy is irrelevant to WISP's (and any other small business), I'd like to know what you think is relevant... Where is the government policy debate to which you refer? Huh? If you think taxes, regulation, etc, are irrelevant to WISP's everyday decisions and life... What is relevant? Other than our own wits and creativity? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Normally, I'm an optimist... So, I'll use postitive language... I am very positive that Congress WILL come after us before then.They're already celebrating the taxes they can raise and t he rich people they can harm. Just listen to them. And you, and I, are the rich people. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Ok, I'll agree and hopefully nothing will change until 2009-2010. If you really believe the Dems are going to offer up a better tax relief plan than what we have right now...I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you as well... grin Best, Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
So how do you duck for cover? Re-incorporate as a foreign owned/based business? Our legislature seems to be fine with allowing the mortgaging of america to foreign entities. If you can somehow become a foreign entity, you can probably avoid all sorts of tax liability. No... I'm not really advocating this method of tax dodge. I'm just frustrated at those that would repeal the tax breaks that have made the small business sector flurish over the two past decades. It has been shown that small businesses account for more new job growth than big business. So why target us? If you seriously are concerned about tax liability and changes to the tax code, your first step should be to seek out a CPA or Tax Attorney. They can tell you how to take advantage of tax breaks in the code and can tell you when those tax breaks go away (if they have sun-set provisions). The 179 deduction, the estate-tax breaks, the capital-gains tax breaks, and various other incentives to invest have deadlines after which they either must be renewed or they go back to the old-higher rates. That is huge when it comes to capital gains. For instance: If you were to sell your business today and qualify for long-term capital gains, you would pay 15% on the capital gains portion of the sale. But if five years from now, the capital gains tax goes back to the old rate, you will get hit for over 30% if I'm not mistaken. I'll have more definitive examples tomorrow as I start cramming for my Accounting Financial Statements for Lawyers exam. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
We use one in the Virgin Islands, keeping the speed down to 14.4 helps a lot. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax lol...sounds like you've had a rough time with Vonage and faxes. I've been a Vonage customer since December 2002 and have been running my DirecTV, home security and occasional fax through it with little trouble. Granted my faxing has been little to none at home, but the Tivo boxes and alarm system seem to work just fine. We keep two Vonage ATA accounts active and will provide them for a fee for various construction sites we service. Those guys do use the fax a bunch and the feed back has largely been keep your fax down to three or fewer pages and you're good. As I said before, YMMV. I would expect a circuit with marginal packet loss would be a no go for Vonage faxing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Weddell Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages will almost always go through. If you tell Vonage the line is going to be used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance. Also, some faxes will perform better than others. I believe Vonage has a list of preferred fax brands/models as well. YMMV... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] Deliberant or HighGainAntennas to Tranzeo AP's
Hi all, Anyone have experience with this combo? AP's are Tranzeo TR-6000s w/ 13db Hpol Omni's. Also tried directly to a TR-6015 with the same result. Have tried with a Deliberant DLB2300 14db radio, and a HighGainAntennas 8186HP-19. Both radios will associate just fine (signal around -65 or so on the 19db, -70 on the 14db). Run fine for a bit and then packet loss and ping times go from bad to horrible, and they will eventually quit passing traffic. A restart will sometimes fix it, but sometimes won't. I've tried backing down the power, changing the ACK, etc, but nothing seems to have worked so far. Have been working with Richard at HighGain a little, and will talk with him again, but these radios seem very similar, so I'm wondering if it's either something in the radio or if there's something I need to look out for, or if they just won't work with Tranzeo AP's. The AP's are running channel 8, if that makes a difference at all. Noise floor is good. I can drop a TR-CPQ-15 in place and the link is rock solid. I'm still looking for alternatives for the Tranzeo gear (cpe that is). Both of these radios seem to work very well and come highly recommended, but I hate to have to switch out AP's. But, I just RMA's my 6th CPQ in a month, so it's getting a bit frustrating (plus, the 5 other boxes have beenat Trazeo fora month). Any insight or suggestions would be very much appreciated. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Umm, how do you pay off debt without raising taxes??? Especially when you are spending like a drunken sailor. Brad Belton wrote: Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. The Dems have made it abundantly clear they do not intend to make the tax relief permanent...No FUD about it. Your taxes are going up if the Dems have anything to do with it. Best, Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Now: TAKE IT OFFLIST, MARK Was: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Take this discussion offlist, Mark. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Second request - take this discussion offlist, Mark. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. One has to face facts... The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value of everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain the value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. Some I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most value possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar they can manage to keep away from the tax man. You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my situation, I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at McDonald's. And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor victory in the war on the rich. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Third request - Take this discussion to a more appropriate political list. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: 341 billion out of... The government has spent approximately 11,600 billion (some rounding here) from 2002 to now. If all we've spent is 341 billion, that's just under 3%. About the same as the paypal fees on a larger purchase... In the overall scope of our nation's budget, the war is not any particularly important issue. With federal expenditures rapidly approaching 3 trillion annually, pretty much funded by the likes of you and me, we really SHOULD pay attention to how the budget is run. It bears no resemblance to how you or I would do it :( +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Deliberant or HighGainAntennas to Tranzeo AP's
Are you doing any encryption on your AP's? Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Anyone have experience with this combo? AP's are Tranzeo TR-6000s w/ 13db Hpol Omni's. Also tried directly to a TR-6015 with the same result. Have tried with a Deliberant DLB2300 14db radio, and a HighGainAntennas 8186HP-19. Both radios will associate just fine (signal around -65 or so on the 19db, -70 on the 14db). Run fine for a bit and then packet loss and ping times go from bad to horrible, and they will eventually quit passing traffic. A restart will sometimes fix it, but sometimes won't. I've tried backing down the power, changing the ACK, etc, but nothing seems to have worked so far. Have been working with Richard at HighGain a little, and will talk with him again, but these radios seem very similar, so I'm wondering if it's either something in the radio or if there's something I need to look out for, or if they just won't work with Tranzeo AP's. The AP's are running channel 8, if that makes a difference at all. Noise floor is good. I can drop a TR-CPQ-15 in place and the link is rock solid. I'm still looking for alternatives for the Tranzeo gear (cpe that is). Both of these radios seem to work very well and come highly recommended, but I hate to have to switch out AP's. But, I just RMA's my 6th CPQ in a month, so it's getting a bit frustrating (plus, the 5 other boxes have beenat Trazeo fora month). Any insight or suggestions would be very much appreciated. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/Velocity Wireless Anthony Morin 208 East Elm Street Ambia, IN 47917 Office: (765) 869-5173 Cell: (765) 884-6009 Sponsored LinkMortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo. Intro-*Terms-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
I have a couple of Lingo boxes (unlimited free calls to N. America, Europe, AustralAsia) and ported my numbers to it several years ago. At $20 a month and FAX works perfectly through it, it's hard to beat. I have both RoadRunner and ATT DSL with my Nortel router using the DSL only as a backup route. It's not been necessary yet. I'm installing my ASTERISK with those on two FXO ports and SKYPE on a third through an old WIN laptop and external $25 box. Geezey I thank the CarterPhone ruling. What am I missing? . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Brad Belton wrote: We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon. Which product is that? My understanding is that Level3 only offers carrier origination and termination; not the full suite of services required to provide retail voice. Further, it is my understanding that Level3's minimum commitment is $25k MRC on their voice services. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their customer. A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford Alvarion. Since this is a public list, I'll leave the details, for WISPs to discover when checking out the program. But I will hint by saying, it enables Alvarion for residential. Its a pretty hard sell, NOT to switch. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13... And WISPA members at the meeting at ISPCON will get a detailed sneak preview. I look forward to seeing many of you there. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
