RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/531 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
One of the things that is really unique is that they have a 2 year warranty for a carrier class backhaul product. You don't have to buy the second year, just fill out the registration card. And there is also a written out-of-box failure policy. None of this stuff about depending who you know and how important you are. ;-) We have installed a handful of the one piece outdoor 5Ghz links and they were a piece of cake. Some real thought went into these. Really nice stuff... -B- Dawn DiPietro wrote: Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Bob, Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? Approximate cost per pair? Thanks, Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Spectras ara vailable on 5.4 too , tho not the same flexibility as having a triband radio ... Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces Spectras have the dual pol. Dynamic DFS thingy... wich it's the coolest tool And they are owned by Motorola!!! The Exal radios looks promising, the only drawback it's the channel size for full speed 64 mhz, Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios A few things to consider The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of radios at the same site. (Try doing that with Orthogon) It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA! :-) FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links. I have had power supply failures 5 times. I just waited 12 days for a replacement power supply after ordering it from the distributor. The last link we ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket. One of the mounting brackets did not have one of the holes tapped. Not fun when you are onsite for an install. I still like Orthogon. I just like Exalt better. -B- I Gino A. Villarini wrote: For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
A few things to consider The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of radios at the same site. (Try doing that with Orthogon) It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA! :-) FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links. I have had power supply failures 5 times. I just waited 12 days for a replacement power supply after ordering it from the distributor. The last link we ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket. One of the mounting brackets did not have one of the holes tapped. Not fun when you are onsite for an install. I still like Orthogon. I just like Exalt better. -B- I Gino A. Villarini wrote: For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
How do they handle small packets? Can you still get full throughput? Would be interesting to see a comparison between these and the Spectra's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 12:44 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios One of the things that is really unique is that they have a 2 year warranty for a carrier class backhaul product. You don't have to buy the second year, just fill out the registration card. And there is also a written out-of-box failure policy. None of this stuff about depending who you know and how important you are. ;-) We have installed a handful of the one piece outdoor 5Ghz links and they were a piece of cake. Some real thought went into these. Really nice stuff... -B- Dawn DiPietro wrote: Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Conference Call
Hoping to make the conference call this afternoon. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Peter R. wrote: You have been reading the blog notes about this Fall's exciting ISPCON (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/), but tomorrow (Tuesday, Nov. 14) at 3 PM Eastern you can talk to me about it. I didn't hit every session - but I tried to! So look at the ISPCON website (www.ispcon.com) to see if any of the session topics interest you - and I will be happy to share what I heard about it. RSVP for the conference bridge. Thank you. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 efax 530-323-7025 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Gino A. Villarini wrote: Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces Since when have Spectras had GPS sync? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Huh...dont they ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Gino A. Villarini wrote: Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces Since when have Spectras had GPS sync? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Scriv, Here is the pricing I found this morning. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Bob, Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? Approximate cost per pair? Thanks, Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
deep sigh Here we go again Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Point-to-point EiRP limits on 5.3 GHz
Does anyone know if there is a point-to-point EIRP exception on 5.3 GHz as there is on 5.8 GHz? For example, on 5.8 - 5.725 – 5.850 ISM band may use greater than 6 dBi antenna with no reduction in transmitter power (point-to-point only) 5.725 – 5.825 U-NII band may use up to a 23 dBi gain antenna (point-to-point only) Anything similar on 5.3 ??? -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Sorry guys, spoke too soon ... I had a beta test Spectra radio link about 2 years ago ... the engineer told be about the gps. The radios are apparently hardware ready, but the feature has not been implemented yet in the firmware. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Gino A. Villarini wrote: Huh...dont they ? No, none of the Canopy high-speed backhauls do. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Point-to-point EiRP limits on 5.3 GHz
Nope. 30 dB eirp. Max. Total. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] Point-to-point EiRP limits on 5.3 GHz Does anyone know if there is a point-to-point EIRP exception on 5.3 GHz as there is on 5.8 GHz? For example, on 5.8 - 5.725 – 5.850 ISM band may use greater than 6 dBi antenna with no reduction in transmitter power (point-to-point only) 5.725 – 5.825 U-NII band may use up to a 23 dBi gain antenna (point-to-point only) Anything similar on 5.3 ??? -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar power
Then give full details of what you used. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote: Yep. We just did. Just a single 532 with dual SR2 cards. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar power Anyone who's put in solar at a POP care to hit me offlist? I need to light one up and possibly may have to use solar. Thanks! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their customer. A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford Alvarion. Since this is a public list, I'll leave the details, for WISPs to discover when checking out the program. But I will hint by saying, it enables Alvarion for residential. Its a pretty hard sell, NOT to switch. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13... And WISPA members at the meeting at ISPCON will get a detailed sneak preview. I look forward to seeing many of you there. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** **
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
Brian, Standards don't really matter unless you have interop on the mac layer as well as QOS.With just MAC and phy layer interoperability, the only thing that will be supported is simple bridging and routing when you use seperate vendor's CPE and Base stations. btw, no one is currently supporting QOS interoperability. Also currently there is only one company that has released 5.8 product using 802.16a technology and is expected to be interoperable should other vendors roll out product utilizing a 10mhz channel width. The whole Wimax revolution really doesn't matter to Wisp's in the US if unlicensed bands are never expected to be supported. - Jeff On 11/14/06 12:07 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
And this will come with the same 74% of MSRP as the CPE radios correct :) What about the cost to then upgrade it to a full blown base station? Since this is the stand alone is that cost without antenna? Details, details we all want details. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their customer. A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford Alvarion. Since this is a public list, I'll leave the details, for WISPs to discover when checking out the program. But I will hint by saying, it enables Alvarion for residential. Its a pretty hard sell, NOT to switch. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Actually, the main intent of the AU-S is to permit profitable VL deployment even in the smallest of towns where the expectations are that'd you not be able to sign more than a handful of subscribers per AU. For sure, some WISPs will choose to use the AU-S as a method of incrementalizing their infrastructure, which is fine too. We want WISPs to pay for what they need, when they need it. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their customer. A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford Alvarion. Since this is a public list, I'll leave the details, for WISPs to discover when checking out the program. But
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
How long does it take for the information on this promotion to be sent? I filled out the information, but haven't seen anything from Alvarion yet. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! And this will come with the same 74% of MSRP as the CPE radios correct :) What about the cost to then upgrade it to a full blown base station? Since this is the stand alone is that cost without antenna? Details, details we all want details. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their customer. A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
So you are saying we won't have a bunch of products to choose from that work together like with WiFi? Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Brian, Standards don't really matter unless you have interop on the mac layer as well as QOS.With just MAC and phy layer interoperability, the only thing that will be supported is simple bridging and routing when you use seperate vendor's CPE and Base stations. btw, no one is currently supporting QOS interoperability. Also currently there is only one company that has released 5.8 product using 802.16a technology and is expected to be interoperable should other vendors roll out product utilizing a 10mhz channel width. The whole Wimax revolution really doesn't matter to Wisp's in the US if unlicensed bands are never expected to be supported. - Jeff On 11/14/06 12:07 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
I sent you a mail today Brad. You were in the bcc along with many others who inquired. Did you get it? Time sent was 12:55PM Pacific time. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! How long does it take for the information on this promotion to be sent? I filled out the information, but haven't seen anything from Alvarion yet. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! And this will come with the same 74% of MSRP as the CPE radios correct :) What about the cost to then upgrade it to a full blown base station? Since this is the stand alone is that cost without antenna? Details, details we all want details. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09,
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Now we just need to get Moto to do that! Canopy Lite Advantage AP :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
No not the case. The fact that a peice of equipment can instantly be flashed with a Compliant firmware, enables a WISP not to be held hostage by the specific Manufacturer, and can change anyday to the compliant WiMax standard, if they find it to be more advantageous to them. In other words physical installation labor or equipment change would not be necessary, so one could convert easilly. There are many reasons not to use compliant WiMax. And there are many benefits to WiMax hardware, even when propriatary firmware is used. Most WISPs state that they want lower price that high volume gives, and they state they want higher features to make them more competitive. But interoperabilty, has little value to most WISPs, as most WISPs want to standardize on product anyway. Not waiting for complaince, adds many benefits. Quicker availabilty bypassing lengthly certification processes. Advanced features, that would take ages for the committe to make standard. Taking advantage of patented or propritary intellectual property that is more advantageous that would never be given to the public domain or standards committee. Fastest Time to market is one of the biggest benefits for a WISP. I predict Trango's WIMax will beat most other vendors to the table in 5.8Ghz in the US. The advantage of using WiMax hardware, is taking advantage of economy of scale, to have better price and better support behind the solution. As long as the hardware is compliant and flashable, what firmware you put on is irrelevant. Its no different than buying a WRAP board and having the choice of whether you put Mikrotik or Star-OS on it, or even your own firmware. I'm not putting my reputation on the line to specifically endorse what product option will be the preferred product by Summer 2007, but I will say that interoperabilty is the least of my desires from a manufacturers. What I want is the gear that solves my problems and allows me to be the most competitive at the lowest cost and the faster to market time frame. Thats one of the reasons we are also excited about the AlvarionComnet program, it gives us abilty to improve our offering today, with a mature tested product. The WiMax interoperabilty is only important for those going after mobility. We are a pure FIXED location play. I personally believe that staying away from mobility offerings, makes us less of a threat to the Telcos and Cell phone companies, and will likely have less competitive pressures from them, because of it, and by building for Fixed (better design) we are more likely to survive their interference. Its also important to understand, why a new Trango product might want to be considered. People who bought Trango in the first place didn;t do it for interoperabilty, but the extra value Trango intellectual propery provided over WIFI an interoperable solution. Just like Trango Fox was like WIFI on Steroids, Trango WiMax will be like WiMax on Steroids. Disclaimer: My post is speculation, as final product features/options have not been released. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Standard base station discounts will apply from our VAR's. You'll need to add an antenna and the upgrade will retail for $3,300. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! And this will come with the same 74% of MSRP as the CPE radios correct :) What about the cost to then upgrade it to a full blown base station? Since this is the stand alone is that cost without antenna? Details, details we all want details. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their customer. A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford Alvarion. Since this
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Jon, you need to be creative, in light of such need, we bought a bunch of classic aps on ebay really cheap and the upgraded them to advantage with the trade program.. ended up paying about $1000 for the APs Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Now we just need to get Moto to do that! Canopy Lite Advantage AP :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
YEP. That was a key point not mentioned in the Commnet brief. The lower cost APs, will allow a WISP to expand their network footprint quicker, without waiting on a long sector ROI first. The idea is not to shaft Alvarion out of their end game revenue that they deserve, as a WISPs that uses thateir gear for a fully populated network, can well justifiy its cost. And more likely they will get there, if they have quality gear to help them on their way. This program is a program to help a WISP grow, and manage their costs propoirtional to their received revenue, not their unreached potential. Its that mentality that I liked in the program. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Brian, Standards don't really matter unless you have interop on the mac layer as well as QOS.With just MAC and phy layer interoperability, the only thing that will be supported is simple bridging and routing when you use seperate vendor's CPE and Base stations. btw, no one is currently supporting QOS interoperability. Now that I reread this, I say great! :) I can bridge all day long with all different types mixed together and do routing/QOS with something like Mikrotik? Or am I crazy? Are you talking RF type QOS or the QOS I am used to (I guess I'd call that per packet QOS) that has to do with throttling bandwidth, shaping and such? FYI I'll state the obvious. I don't know much about this. Also currently there is only one company that has released 5.8 product using 802.16a technology and is expected to be interoperable should other vendors roll out product utilizing a 10mhz channel width. The whole Wimax revolution really doesn't matter to Wisp's in the US if unlicensed bands are never expected to be supported. - Jeff On 11/14/06 12:07 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Hello Patrick, Nope didn't make it, but I did just get it again from you now. Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I sent you a mail today Brad. You were in the bcc along with many others who inquired. Did you get it? Time sent was 12:55PM Pacific time. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! How long does it take for the information on this promotion to be sent? I filled out the information, but haven't seen anything from Alvarion yet. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! And this will come with the same 74% of MSRP as the CPE radios correct :) What about the cost to then upgrade it to a full blown base station? Since this is the stand alone is that cost without antenna? Details, details we all want details. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List'
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Well, CTI has similar programs for Motorola product that they call ZERO financing, allowing lower volume pricing, by splitting ship dates for committed volume. But the excitement of the Alvarion program, is not just the price, but that it includes ALVARION GEAR! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Now we just need to get Moto to do that! Canopy Lite Advantage AP :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
I also sent you a direct mail, forwarding the 12:55 mail. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I sent you a mail today Brad. You were in the bcc along with many others who inquired. Did you get it? Time sent was 12:55PM Pacific time. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! How long does it take for the information on this promotion to be sent? I filled out the information, but haven't seen anything from Alvarion yet. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! And this will come with the same 74% of MSRP as the CPE radios correct :) What about the cost to then upgrade it to a full blown base station? Since this is the stand alone is that cost without antenna? Details, details we all want details. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! very attractive rural model
BTW, we should note that on the AU-S, the capacity is not constrained since it supports the full 32+mbps net from the start. It is only limited in terms of attachments, supporting up to 25 connections of the 3 or 6Mbps CPEs. We've got lots of rural customers for whom this is what was requested. Those 25 six mbps or 3mbps subs will be flying though. This model, assuming you joined the AlvarionCOMNET and if you had 25 subs on each of three sectors on one cell would result in an infrastructure PLUS CPE payback of less than 9 months assuming only a $39.95/month subscriber fee. So, including a truck roll, you could get a 1 year or less payback off $39.95/month fees providing true 3mbps down/2mbps up. And you could do this with top of the line gear that will result in much improved operations and MUCH higher equity value of the network should you ever want to sell. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Gino and Jon, Your loyalties to Canopy are well regarded. I have seen the technical numbers from some of your peers doing direct head to head comparisons. With this new program we've now taken the extra step and we invite you to seriously take a look at our offerings! Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Jon, you need to be creative, in light of such need, we bought a bunch of classic aps on ebay really cheap and the upgraded them to advantage with the trade program.. ended up paying about $1000 for the APs Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Now we just need to get Moto to do that! Canopy Lite Advantage AP :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! very attractive rural model
And we're also offering the VoIP feature set of version 4.0 that pushes 40,000 small packets per second thru the base station. 10X's the performance of many of the current products out there today including our older versions of 3X firmware. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! very attractive rural model BTW, we should note that on the AU-S, the capacity is not constrained since it supports the full 32+mbps net from the start. It is only limited in terms of attachments, supporting up to 25 connections of the 3 or 6Mbps CPEs. We've got lots of rural customers for whom this is what was requested. Those 25 six mbps or 3mbps subs will be flying though. This model, assuming you joined the AlvarionCOMNET and if you had 25 subs on each of three sectors on one cell would result in an infrastructure PLUS CPE payback of less than 9 months assuming only a $39.95/month subscriber fee. So, including a truck roll, you could get a 1 year or less payback off $39.95/month fees providing true 3mbps down/2mbps up. And you could do this with top of the line gear that will result in much improved operations and MUCH higher equity value of the network should you ever want to sell. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS syncing. It has no integral fiber interface. The fiber kit is an option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still need external power. I can put a media converter and external power on a Exalt radio also. As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to give full bandwidth. It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal. On a positive note for Exalt the C/I is much better on the Exalt radio which ultimately guarantees better distance in noisy environments. The pricin on the Connectronics site is MSRP. You can get it quite a bit lower... -B- John Scrivner writes: Bob, Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? Approximate cost per pair? Thanks, Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
5.4 is not type accepted in the US. Gino A. Villarini writes: Spectras ara vailable on 5.4 too , tho not the same flexibility as having a triband radio ... Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces Spectras have the dual pol. Dynamic DFS thingy... wich it's the coolest tool And they are owned by Motorola!!! The Exal radios looks promising, the only drawback it's the channel size for full speed 64 mhz, Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios A few things to consider The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of radios at the same site. (Try doing that with Orthogon) It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA! :-) FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links. I have had power supply failures 5 times. I just waited 12 days for a replacement power supply after ordering it from the distributor. The last link we ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket. One of the mounting brackets did not have one of the holes tapped. Not fun when you are onsite for an install. I still like Orthogon. I just like Exalt better. -B- I Gino A. Villarini wrote: For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Err.. 5.4 experimental licensing ..., I would love to try some exalt radios, Im only concern is on the channel size for big bandwidth.. 64 mhz is way too much, on the side note the spectras 30 mhz dual polarity channel is very flexible cause you can set one end to tx on one slice of spectrum, wheres the other end can tx on other slice ... really handy in noisy areas .. How much is the price below mrsp ? 20% ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lakeland Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios 5.4 is not type accepted in the US. Gino A. Villarini writes: Spectras ara vailable on 5.4 too , tho not the same flexibility as having a triband radio ... Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces Spectras have the dual pol. Dynamic DFS thingy... wich it's the coolest tool And they are owned by Motorola!!! The Exal radios looks promising, the only drawback it's the channel size for full speed 64 mhz, Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios A few things to consider The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of radios at the same site. (Try doing that with Orthogon) It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA! :-) FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links. I have had power supply failures 5 times. I just waited 12 days for a replacement power supply after ordering it from the distributor. The last link we ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket. One of the mounting brackets did not have one of the holes tapped. Not fun when you are onsite for an install. I still like Orthogon. I just like Exalt better. -B- I Gino A. Villarini wrote: For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Yeah we ended up doing the AP300 program a couple times...our biggest time 22AP's arrived in a box! :-) Well I should have complained about something else then...maybe we need a Prizm 2.0 Lite then! j/k Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Gino A. Villarini wrote: Jon, you need to be creative, in light of such need, we bought a bunch of classic aps on ebay really cheap and the upgraded them to advantage with the trade program.. ended up paying about $1000 for the APs Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Now we just need to get Moto to do that! Canopy Lite Advantage AP :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad -- Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. This of course being best case based on noise level and acheivalbe modulation. Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone offering Voice services also. All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower than the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 bucks or two to make it survivable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS syncing. It has no integral fiber interface. The fiber kit is an option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still need external power. I can put a media converter and external power on a Exalt radio also. As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to give full bandwidth. It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal. On a positive note for Exalt the C/I is much better on the Exalt radio which ultimately guarantees better distance in noisy environments. The pricin on the Connectronics site is MSRP. You can get it quite a bit lower... -B- John Scrivner writes: Bob, Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? Approximate cost per pair? Thanks, Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Never heard of them before until now...just talked to a sales rep and got unnoficially ~$12k. It looks like software defined radio so they probably have the capability to develop firmware to do a lot of the things that Orthogon did. He said they don't currently have a spectrum management feature or a 'lite' product like orthogon but likely will be incorporating something into upcoming software releases. For error correction they use variable mod. and FEC, software polarization selection, a few other things. Either way a product to keep an eye on... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Gino A. Villarini wrote: Err.. 5.4 experimental licensing ..., I would love to try some exalt radios, Im only concern is on the channel size for big bandwidth.. 64 mhz is way too much, on the side note the spectras 30 mhz dual polarity channel is very flexible cause you can set one end to tx on one slice of spectrum, wheres the other end can tx on other slice ... really handy in noisy areas .. How much is the price below mrsp ? 20% ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Hey Brad, I've already looked at it briefly and will definately look into it a little further, pretty cool. However, based on deploying many different systems from wifi to CDMA, I've come to one conclusion. If it doesn't have GPS sync, I don't even want to touch it! :-) Tell me this, will the VL product be uprgadeable to co-exist with any future 802.16d/e product releases? I wouldn't be suprised if Moto's canopy will if they didn't already declare it... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: Gino and Jon, Your loyalties to Canopy are well regarded. I have seen the technical numbers from some of your peers doing direct head to head comparisons. With this new program we've now taken the extra step and we invite you to seriously take a look at our offerings! Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Tom, You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? How is that?? The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon... -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. This of course being best case based on noise level and acheivalbe modulation. Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone offering Voice services also. All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower than the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 bucks or two to make it survivable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS syncing. It has no integral fiber interface. The fiber kit is an option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still need external power. I can put a media converter and external power on a Exalt radio also. As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to give full bandwidth. It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal. On a positive note for Exalt the C/I is much better on the Exalt radio which ultimately guarantees better distance in noisy environments. The pricin on the Connectronics site is MSRP. You can get it quite a bit lower... -B- John Scrivner writes: Bob, Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? Approximate cost per pair? Thanks, Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Not only that, but the Atlas isn't capable of 45Mbps in any form much less FDX. Most we've ever seen out of an Atlas is maybe 20Mbps HDX with very clean air. Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Believe me these up to or best effort radios are tempting, but until you deploy a few $15k - $30k PtP radio sets that actually produce what they claim you won't understand what we're talking about. When I say you I'm not directing that at anyone in particular just a general comment. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Tom, You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? How is that?? The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon... -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. This of course being best case based on noise level and acheivalbe modulation. Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone offering Voice services also. All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower than the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 bucks or two to make it survivable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS syncing. It has no integral fiber interface. The fiber kit is an option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still need external power. I can put a media converter and external power on a Exalt radio also. As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to give full bandwidth. It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal. On a positive note for Exalt the C/I is much better on the Exalt radio which ultimately guarantees better distance in noisy environments. The pricin on the Connectronics site is MSRP. You can get it quite a bit lower... -B- John Scrivner writes: Bob, Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? Approximate cost per pair? Thanks, Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv
We have seen quite a bit of interest in new membership in WISPA lately. I am proud to announce that Travis Johnson has added his name to the list of WISP operators who have joined WISPA. Travis has a very successful operation and I am sure his involvement in WISPA will be valuable to us and to him as well. Please join me in welcoming Travis Johnson and his WISP Microserv. Here is a little background on Travis and Microserv: Microserv started as a dial-up ISP in 1994. We began providing wireless service in 1997, DSL service in 2001 and fiber-optic service in 2003. We currently provide fixed wireless service covering 25,000 square miles of southeastern Idaho and have over 3,000 current wireless subscribers. Our entire backbone is wireless with links from 5 miles to 73 miles and using 5.3ghz to 38ghz. I designed and installed the entire infrastructure (over 60 operating repeater locations) and continue to service and support them while also running the day to day operations of a company with 25 employees. We are growing at a rate of 60+ wireless customers per month and continue to add new services and features for our existing customers. I am excited to be a member of WISPA and hope to help the organization grow and benefit the industry. Thanks, Travis Johnson, President Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] External battery on UPS
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Mark, Check this thread out at dslreports.com. There are some Pic as well. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779653~days=~start=20 Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Brad, I'm aware of your Atlas experience. We've gotten Full 45mbps out of an Atlas numerous times. However, I admit, often that does require antenna size upgrade, and that needs to be factored into the end cost for comparison. Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Thats why you turn off auto-rate, and turn on ARQ. I guess I just never get that excited about buying a radio that costs more than a decent car. (when a car technically is much more expensive to make) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Not only that, but the Atlas isn't capable of 45Mbps in any form much less FDX. Most we've ever seen out of an Atlas is maybe 20Mbps HDX with very clean air. Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Believe me these up to or best effort radios are tempting, but until you deploy a few $15k - $30k PtP radio sets that actually produce what they claim you won't understand what we're talking about. When I say you I'm not directing that at anyone in particular just a general comment. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Tom, You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? How is that?? The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon... -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. This of course being best case based on noise level and acheivalbe modulation. Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone offering Voice services also. All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower than the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 bucks or two to make it survivable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS syncing. It has no integral fiber interface. The fiber kit is an option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still need external power. I can put a media converter and external power on a Exalt radio also. As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to give full bandwidth. It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal. On a positive note for Exalt
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yeah - plug it in and turn it on before you try to run off of batteries :) JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 11/13/2006 8:56 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DHCP with a twist
Being five days late on this you have probably already solved it, but just in case The CB3 will request a DHCP address with it's MAC address (assuming it is set to DHCP). When the PC or router behind the CB3 requests a DHCP lease you will see the MAC for that device. The DHCP REQUEST message actually contains the MAC address it is requesting an IP for, it is not just assumed to be the MAC address that is seen making the request. The biggest issue I could think of with this setup is when the customers device changes (new router or NIC) they will have to call into the NOC and the DHCP assignment will have to be changed. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: As part of the ongoing (does it ever stop?) efforts to make a Better Network, I've finally started using private subnets where appropriate. I'd love to be able to better automate some parts of my network, though, and I'm not sure how to do both of 'em at the same time. (Right now, substantially our whole network uses static IP assignments everywhere, and that's not really viable long-term.) My ideal scenario would be something like this: * The AP runs a DHCP server and talks to a RADIUS server (that's easy) * When a client associates, do a RADIUS lookup to see if they should be allowed to associate (that's easy too) * Give the CPE an IP address from one subnet, then give whatever else is there an IP from a different subnet (that's the tricky part) This is made even more complicated by the fact that many of our CPE are Senao CB3 units, which do MAC cloning and I don't think you can turn it off. (Basically, both the CPE and the customer's router, or whatever, show up in my tower as having the CPE's MAC.) If I weren't trying to conserve public IP space, this would be easy enough - just give the CPE one IP address and the customer's gear a second one. But there's really no reason for my radios to be visible to the public Internet, and it's wasteful of those sweet sweet IPs. I know there's a solution to this problem, because that's basically how most cable modem setups work. (Annoyingly, I can't get my company's wireless Internet at home, so I've got cable modem there.) The cable modem is a bit smarter than a CB3, though, thanks to DOCSIS. I'd like to do all this at the tower, instead of having to buy (or invent) new CPE if possible. Is this even possible? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
