[WISPA] Japan ranks top in number of 2005 mobile broadband Internet users
04.12.2006 / 08:06 Japan ranks top in number of 2005 mobile broadband Internet users GENEVA. December 4, 2006. KAZINFORM - Japan ranked top in terms of the number of users of broadband Internet services via mobile phone in 2005, a U. N. telecom body said Sunday. The number of mobile broadband Internet service subscribers totaled 17. 79 million in Japan in 2005, followed by 12. 53 million in South Korea and 10. 26 million in Italy, the Geneva-based International Telecommunication Union said in an annual report on Internet services. The total number of subscribers around the world came to 60. 25 million. The number of worldwide fixed broadband Internet subscribers totaled 215. 48 million in 2005. The United States topped this category with 49. 39 million, followed by 37. 5 million in China and 22. 37 million in Japan. The ITU also said the number of global mobile phone subscribers jumped to 2,168. 43 million in 2005 from 740. 02 million in 2000. Cellphones are rapidly spreading in developing countries as the costs for establishing networks for the services are less than those for fixed-line telephones, Kazinform refers to Kyodo. http://www.inform.kz/showarticle.php?lang=engid=146572 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fiber Supplier
I have the opportunity to bid a inside fiber installation. I have a supplier of fiber, but am looking for another one or two for competitive bids. Any recommendations for who to contact for about 6000' of multimode 50um fiber, 12 strand? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
- Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: How many ip addys does each customer need in a fully routed network? gateway, ip and broadcast. I see that as three. Or does a /30 use up four? The customer will still use 1. What about the gateway and broadcast addresses? Yeah, the customer only uses one, but it takes more than one to provide that. Can we use a /24 gateway ip for /30 routes? Either way, by bridging each customer only needs one. your customers don't have a gateway? The only difference in routing and bridging as far as this is concerned, is where the gateway IP resides. I think you're missunderstanding what I'm trying to say. If we did a network of /30 addresses how many customers can be put on a class c (256 addresses)? If we just bridge that same class C how many customers can we put on it? The benefits that come with routing to each customer can be made up for by using a router and/or firewall at each cpe and by blocking client to client communications. Both this and routing result in the same thing eh? Customers don't mess with the other customers or the network. Controlling client to client comms on a single AP will only limit access to other clients of the same AP...It will not prevent customer a on AP1 from communicating with customer a on AP2. That's where the vlan switches come in. They'll prevent that from happening. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Effect of Snow on 900
I put in a customer's CPE just as the snow season started at my customer's house in the mountains. They had around 2 inches of snow on the ground, and of course, some clung to the trees. They were gone for Thanksgiving weekend, and when they got back, it was a few days before I could get back to finish up inside. When I left, we had a nice solid link, though it went through quite a few trees right by the client end, at a total distance of about three miles, but the sky visible through the trees we had to run through. When I got back yesterday, we can't even see the AP on a site survey. The only difference is that now there's maybe a food of snow and of course, somewhat more stuck to the trees. Client and AP are both WAR boards with SR9's and 9 db yagi's. Does snow block 900 that effectively? Our testing showed earlier that in town, you can get a weak signal with a site survey even standing on the ground, through a mile or more of houses, trees, etc.We tried re-aiming, but nothing. Did I have something else go wrong, or does snow clinging to a few branches totally wipe out an additional 15 or more db of RSSI? +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Industry failings
One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. It doesn't really matter that neither FiberTower or NextLink are representative of our industry. What matters is they are both publicly traded fixed wireless companies. This means that all fixed wireless companies are viewed through the lens of these publicly traded companies since they are the only ones with enough information for people to draw conclusions on. If you look at FiberTower's and NextLink's latest numbers you should be very worried. NextLink is failing and I predict will be out of business in the not too distant future. FiberTower is much better off than NextLink, but they are burning cash at an impressive rate. One can easily predict them running out of cash sometime next year if things follow a similar trend. Some of us on this list do more revenue than NextLink, but I doubt that will matter when they go under. Our valuations will decline in lock step to any failures by these two companies. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
The one thing that has been the failure of SO many companies including NextLink, Yipes, et al - NOT ENOUGH SALES. Folks in the greater ISP industry tend to focus much of their attention on the technology. Building, tinkering, tweaking. Equally, your focus has to be on sales marketing. It's the end of another year (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/12/eoy-part-ii.html), take time to make goals for the new year - and to create a sales plan for your company and a marketing plan. (Even if you don't follow it, at least you have taken the time to think about it). Marketing for WISP's: http://www.isp-planet.com/marketing/2006/ispcon_wireless_marketing.html Here's a couple of things about low hanging fruit: easy to pick - by you or anyone else; and if not picked, it gets rotten and falls off the tree. To your success, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com (813) 963-5884 I take the technology and help you turn it into revenue. Matt Liotta wrote: One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. It doesn't really matter that neither FiberTower or NextLink are representative of our industry. What matters is they are both publicly traded fixed wireless companies. This means that all fixed wireless companies are viewed through the lens of these publicly traded companies since they are the only ones with enough information for people to draw conclusions on. If you look at FiberTower's and NextLink's latest numbers you should be very worried. NextLink is failing and I predict will be out of business in the not too distant future. FiberTower is much better off than NextLink, but they are burning cash at an impressive rate. One can easily predict them running out of cash sometime next year if things follow a similar trend. Some of us on this list do more revenue than NextLink, but I doubt that will matter when they go under. Our valuations will decline in lock step to any failures by these two companies. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fiber Supplier
In that type environment you have several product choices, but I'd probably just spec in an OSP-rated PE (polyethylene) sheathed fiber with tight buffered strands since you'll be putting in conduit and will thus have a clean run with string. OCC (Optical Cable Corporation) out of Salem, VA would be a decent choice in terms of both functionality and cost. It has Kevlar for tensile strength. Just use a kellums grip and make sure the pull line is tied to the Kevlar. An ATT loose-tube will have less friction in the pull and is a good choice for runs along existing cables. As a loose-tube (gel) cable with fiberglass strength members. It is springy so it can be pushed as much as pulled. Loose tube takes longer to terminate and requires higher expertise as it takes a bit more care. There is a brand called Chromatic Technologies that is low cost, but I never liked working with it. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber Supplier Thanks Patrick, I know how to do a lot of it, contract it. I know folks that do the labor part, but I am to supply the material. In the past someone else did it, so I am looking for vendors. Manufacturing facility. Total of 6000', Longest run about 2500. Lots of pull boxes, few bends, just because of the plant layout. The building is over 2800' long, 600' wide. Patrick Leary wrote: Anixter, CSC Supply, Anicom (still around?), Graybar...these are (were) common suppliers in my day. You need to know what type of inside fiber though. Plenum? Non-plenum? What type of non-plenum? Will it require innerduct (also plenum or non-plenum)? Conduit (EMT, rigid, etc.?). Conduit construction for fiber is different than for electrical. For example, you use sweeps instead of elbows and you'd need to install pull boxes after every two 90's. (At each pull box you should coil some slack too.) Chris, do you know what you are doing? If not, don't bid it. Screw it up and it will cost you big time. Fiber is tough from a tensile perspective, but you have to know how to pull and bend it. Is this one long run? That's over a mile. If that is the case and this is all inside then you are doing some massive warehouse and/or plant facility. If that's the case you likely have conduit issues, among many, many other thing. Also, I am assuming you do know how to terminate and test it? I could list tons of questions but I don't know what your skill set is. But a simple sourcing question does not give warm and fuzzy that you know what you are doing, so you need to be careful. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:12 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Supplier I have the opportunity to bid a inside fiber installation. I have a supplier of fiber, but am looking for another one or two for competitive bids. Any recommendations for who to contact for about 6000' of multimode 50um fiber, 12 strand? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Biz Dev Proposal
Marlon, Brad, I can send wispa business. Personally, I'm a google marketing guy. most of our business comes from google... under a search for evdo according to adwords.google.com traffic estimator, under the terms, wimax and wireless internet you'd get 1800 visitors and 19000 visitors respectively. only a fraction of these visitors are right for my company. the rest are better fits for you wisp owners. So... help me send biz your way. 1. use http://wimax-coverage.com to post news and press releases about your company include: address (people search for city names) url to your website relevant sales teasers 2. link to http://evdo-coverage.com using code: a href=http://evdo-coverage.com;wireless internet/a we are #11 in google under wireless internet when we hit #4, our traffic will increase 40X and I'll post a large banner for the wisp map where you've already posted your service areas... http://map.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/ thoughts? questions? On 12/4/06, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This only adds more fuel to the argument that simply placing a multiple on a company isn't where the smart money is. Revenue is largely irrelevant. Profits are King. Revenue doesn't put kids through school or buy that new car...bottom line profit does. The concept of fixed wireless has long lost its sizzle. Simply stating you're able to cut out the LEC and reap those dollars yourself doesn't excite like it used to. Profits, real estate assets, contractual agreements, client base are key deal points in today's market. While I agree WinStar and Teligent didn't do the fixed wireless industry any favors, most of the bridges burned were with building management and not the end user market. Investor relationships may have also taken a toll, but again the smart money isn't going to get all wrapped up in the sizzle. They will be looking for real assets and real earnings. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Industry failings One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. It doesn't really matter that neither FiberTower or NextLink are representative of our industry. What matters is they are both publicly traded fixed wireless companies. This means that all fixed wireless companies are viewed through the lens of these publicly traded companies since they are the only ones with enough information for people to draw conclusions on. If you look at FiberTower's and NextLink's latest numbers you should be very worried. NextLink is failing and I predict will be out of business in the not too distant future. FiberTower is much better off than NextLink, but they are burning cash at an impressive rate. One can easily predict them running out of cash sometime next year if things follow a similar trend. Some of us on this list do more revenue than NextLink, but I doubt that will matter when they go under. Our valuations will decline in lock step to any failures by these two companies. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Internet Advisor Provider http://iptv-coverage.com http://evdo-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Supplier
You may want to contact Bruce at Lattice Business Solutions, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce handles all my surplus gear, shelters, gensets, etc, and has been really good to deal with. He knows the industry. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:12 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Supplier I have the opportunity to bid a inside fiber installation. I have a supplier of fiber, but am looking for another one or two for competitive bids. Any recommendations for who to contact for about 6000' of multimode 50um fiber, 12 strand? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Supplier
/Dan The Cable Man Oberholtzer at Elepro.com has always been a very good source of fiber for me. 26601 - 79th Ave South Kent, WA 98032 Phone: 800-423-0646 Fax: 253-859-9101 http://elepro.com/ Mario// / Scott Reed wrote: I have the opportunity to bid a inside fiber installation. I have a supplier of fiber, but am looking for another one or two for competitive bids. Any recommendations for who to contact for about 6000' of multimode 50um fiber, 12 strand? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] public saftey net.
Chris, AFAIK, no - they are not required to use 4.9 GHz exclusively. Although reguirements will vary depending on the group's needs and the recommendations of their techical people, there is no regulation that I know of that would prevent them from using the license-free frequency bands where they deem it appropriate. Other folks on this list may have other, more-specific information. jack chris cooper wrote: If a first responder organization succeeds in getting homeland security funding, are they required to build an entirely 4.9 network? The folks I have talked with have this vision of having interconnected 4.9 networks that all first responders can connect to and that these networks will at some point be linked on at least a regional basis, all on 4.9 so that all can communicate together. The problem is, terrain and penetration severely limit usefulness of 4.9 Aps. Are they permitted to build hybrid 900/4.9 networks? Thanks Chris -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
Matt can you send some links for those sources. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Industry failings One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. It doesn't really matter that neither FiberTower or NextLink are representative of our industry. What matters is they are both publicly traded fixed wireless companies. This means that all fixed wireless companies are viewed through the lens of these publicly traded companies since they are the only ones with enough information for people to draw conclusions on. If you look at FiberTower's and NextLink's latest numbers you should be very worried. NextLink is failing and I predict will be out of business in the not too distant future. FiberTower is much better off than NextLink, but they are burning cash at an impressive rate. One can easily predict them running out of cash sometime next year if things follow a similar trend. Some of us on this list do more revenue than NextLink, but I doubt that will matter when they go under. Our valuations will decline in lock step to any failures by these two companies. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
Wow. Do you have any factual basis for those statements, or are you just hoping? Does customers that send lots of jobs and money translate in any way to a net loss of 14.5 million in the third quarter of 2006, as opposed to a 4.9 million dollar loss in same quarter 2005? It is kind of scary when a company in that shape sees their general and admin costs go up 354% in that period, when the actual costs of providing that service go up only around 105%. Now, with that said, it is a good concept. The only issue is whether or not Wall Street will let them hang around burning money until they start showing a profit. - Original Message - From: Dustin Jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Industry failings Fiber Tower is rocking the house. They are very focused and have a core nitch of customers that not only love their service but are willing to send lots of jobs and money to them. Oh.. And they are executing like white on rice. Dustin Jurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings The one thing that has been the failure of SO many companies including NextLink, Yipes, et al - NOT ENOUGH SALES. Folks in the greater ISP industry tend to focus much of their attention on the technology. Building, tinkering, tweaking. Equally, your focus has to be on sales marketing. It's the end of another year (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/12/eoy-part-ii.html), take time to make goals for the new year - and to create a sales plan for your company and a marketing plan. (Even if you don't follow it, at least you have taken the time to think about it). Marketing for WISP's: http://www.isp-planet.com/marketing/2006/ispcon_wireless_marketing.html Here's a couple of things about low hanging fruit: easy to pick - by you or anyone else; and if not picked, it gets rotten and falls off the tree. To your success, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com (813) 963-5884 I take the technology and help you turn it into revenue. Matt Liotta wrote: One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. It doesn't really matter that neither FiberTower or NextLink are representative of our industry. What matters is they are both publicly traded fixed wireless companies. This means that all fixed wireless companies are viewed through the lens of these publicly traded companies since they are the only ones with enough information for people to draw conclusions on. If you look at FiberTower's and NextLink's latest numbers you should be very worried. NextLink is failing and I predict will be out of business in the not too distant future. FiberTower is much better off than NextLink, but they are burning cash at an impressive rate. One can easily predict them running out of cash sometime next year if things follow a similar trend. Some of us on this list do more revenue than NextLink, but I doubt that will matter when they go under. Our valuations will decline in lock step to any failures by these two companies. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
Dustin Jurman wrote: Fiber Tower is rocking the house. They are very focused and have a core nitch of customers that not only love their service but are willing to send lots of jobs and money to them. Oh.. And they are executing like white on rice. Are you joking? A quick read of their financials shows they are in a bad way and getting worse. Further, more than 65% of their revenue comes from two customers, one of which is ATT Wireless (now Cingular). At least in BellSouth regions, most of the Cingular sites are being backhauled with fiber and they are getting rid of the ATT equipment. How much future revenue will they get from Cingular especially if the ATT merger goes through? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
Dustin Jurman wrote: Matt can you send some links for those sources. http://www.fibertower.com/investors-earnings-releases.shtml -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IkarusOS
I have a few clients using Ikarus... They seem to work ok. Some stuff just doesn't work. I have a couple boxes that seem to have inoperable bandwidth controls or DHCP server. It's probably configuration, but I can't for the life of me figure it out. It appears to be exactly the same as the ones that do work. Odd stuff just happens. A client goes down, and a power cycle may not fix it. It might take 5 and then suddenly it works again. You're configuring a board and it just suddenly seems to vanish off your network. It might come back. It might not. Eventually power cycles will get you back. Maybe 1, maybe 10. Out of fairness to the folks at Antcor, I have ONLY used the Compex WP54 version, not any of the X86 or others, and it's the least popularly used, probalby the has had the least development and debugging. There could be issues with the Compex boards too, for all I know. Oh, and I detest the configuration program. They're moving quite rapidly, and I do expect sometime soon they'll have a pretty serious contender, but of the version I have used... It just seemed not quite ready for the big time. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: cw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] IkarusOS Anybody have experiences they care to share? - cw TerraNovaNet http://www.TerraNova.Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 305-453-4011 Think globally. Act locally. Conserve resources. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
For those of us in the Ma and Pa category, it wasn't too hard to see this coming. I've argued since the day I first dreamed of wireless broadband, that life's lessons would serve me fine... Find a way to meet the needs of your customers, in a way that benefits THEM and you. If you can't produce a better value than someone else, find a way to do so. In the end, all the arguments about building value or revenue or whatever are mostly trivial. If you don't have a reason to exist, and if you don't have a plan to make money with reasonable assumptions, and the flexibility to change with the times, you're as obsolete as the buggy whip. I seriously doubt that anything besides the aquisition of a customer base THAT WILL MAKE YOU PROFITABLE LONG TERM matters a whole lot. Of course, the implications of that are technical competence, competitive products, and pricing and cost structures that are sane and reasonable. I operate on the assumption that my customer today will be my customer in 10 years and that he expects as good of value from what I do in 10 years as what I deliver now. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Industry failings One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
Hear, hear!! Mark Koskenmaki wrote: For those of us in the Ma and Pa category, it wasn't too hard to see this coming. I've argued since the day I first dreamed of wireless broadband, that life's lessons would serve me fine... Find a way to meet the needs of your customers, in a way that benefits THEM and you. If you can't produce a better value than someone else, find a way to do so. In the end, all the arguments about building value or revenue or whatever are mostly trivial. If you don't have a reason to exist, and if you don't have a plan to make money with reasonable assumptions, and the flexibility to change with the times, you're as obsolete as the buggy whip. I seriously doubt that anything besides the aquisition of a customer base THAT WILL MAKE YOU PROFITABLE LONG TERM matters a whole lot. Of course, the implications of that are technical competence, competitive products, and pricing and cost structures that are sane and reasonable. I operate on the assumption that my customer today will be my customer in 10 years and that he expects as good of value from what I do in 10 years as what I deliver now. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Industry failings One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
Organic growth is difficult. Most growth is via acquisition. You have to offer Value. You have to have a Plan. You have to Execute on said plan while offering value. - Peter Blair Davis wrote: Hear, hear!! Mark Koskenmaki wrote: For those of us in the Ma and Pa category, it wasn't too hard to see this coming. I've argued since the day I first dreamed of wireless broadband, that life's lessons would serve me fine... Find a way to meet the needs of your customers, in a way that benefits THEM and you. If you can't produce a better value than someone else, find a way to do so. In the end, all the arguments about building value or revenue or whatever are mostly trivial. If you don't have a reason to exist, and if you don't have a plan to make money with reasonable assumptions, and the flexibility to change with the times, you're as obsolete as the buggy whip. I seriously doubt that anything besides the aquisition of a customer base THAT WILL MAKE YOU PROFITABLE LONG TERM matters a whole lot. Of course, the implications of that are technical competence, competitive products, and pricing and cost structures that are sane and reasonable. I operate on the assumption that my customer today will be my customer in 10 years and that he expects as good of value from what I do in 10 years as what I deliver now. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
I have no idea what you mean by organic growth in contrast to acquisition. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Organic growth is difficult. Most growth is via acquisition. You have to offer Value. You have to have a Plan. You have to Execute on said plan while offering value. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
Organic growth typically refers to internally funded growth without outside investment. I would imagine that vast majority of wISPs are experiencing organic growth. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings I have no idea what you mean by organic growth in contrast to acquisition. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Organic growth is difficult. Most growth is via acquisition. You have to offer Value. You have to have a Plan. You have to Execute on said plan while offering value. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
Organic Growth means creating revenue through sales and marketing. *Organic growth* is the rate of business /wiki/Business expansion through increasing output and sales as opposed to mergers /wiki/Merger, acquisitions /wiki/Acquisition and take-overs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_growth Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
Organic growth is growth that is generated by the company itself through its own efforts, as opposed to buying the growth. For example, if you are the first to offer wireless Internet service in an area that you setup using your own capital, then you have grown organically. In contrast, if you go to an area and buy an existing provider, you have grown through acquisition. In most industries organic growth is financed by cash flow or limited debt, whereas growth through acquisition requires higher debt loads or an equity offering. Ken Chipps -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings I have no idea what you mean by organic growth in contrast to acquisition. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Organic growth is difficult. Most growth is via acquisition. You have to offer Value. You have to have a Plan. You have to Execute on said plan while offering value. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Industry failings
Ok, thanks I'm 100% organic growth, here. And self-funded, too. Call it bootstrap, if you like. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Organic Growth means creating revenue through sales and marketing. *Organic growth* is the rate of business /wiki/Business expansion through increasing output and sales as opposed to mergers /wiki/Merger, acquisitions /wiki/Acquisition and take-overs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_growth Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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: http://comnet.alvarion.com/ . for those that have signed up. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
