RE: [WISPA] salary WARNING: DON'T DO IT! THREAD ENDED
OK, I KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. DON'T GO THERE GUYS. START A NEW SALARY THREAD IF YOU WANT. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS ONE. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary Mac, and Matt. This is an easy question to answer. You stop doing it when it stops being fun and becomes a job. I built five 100' towers this Summer. Lonnie On 12/18/06, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gino, That's a question that Larsen and I have been hunting an answer to for a couple years. We both said we were going to sit back and collect some of our initial investments back over a year ago. I know Larsen is still hanging gear in every town along the 3 States he borders (get 'em son) and also created one of the longest production wireless backhaul links (60+ miles) of anybody anywhere that I am aware of. I too have built 7 new towers in the last few months and built out about a dozen new towns and gone to all fiber. My point is this - - - it's a vicious circle! When is enough - enough? We get a new tower up and swear this is the last, but from that tower there is another community that is yet without internet connectivity and just one more little hop will get them caught! It's a never ending story - - - looks like we need a wireless anonymous group to help us break the cycle!! If you find the cure - - send Larsen and myself a double dose. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] salary The question I always ask myself is when to stop upgrading and expanding.. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary Ditto, and we make enough profit to roll the profit back into our business in network upgrades, etc. If I stopped my upgrades and just collected money, I could lay someone off and make a very handsome roi. George John Scrivner wrote: Yes. We earn salary and profits. It is not as much as I would like but our company is profitable and has been for 9 years. Scriv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is this all such a big deal? You guys actually have profits!? Brian John Scrivner wrote: I do not think any WISPs here really know the answer to this. What is needed is an answer from an accountant. If anyone on here is a CPA and can share what the rules are I would be glad to see them. I do not believe that simply drawing profits from a S corp WISP as opposed to taking a salary is tax evasion. In a S corp you pay taxes for profits same as you do for payroll. Where you might have a problem is with unemployment insurance, social security, workmans comp, etc. Those are based on payroll. Profits are not in the calculation. Essentially you are dodging those when you do not take a salary. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: snip Zero. When the CEO is also the primary investor, and the company is an S-corp or LLC, why pay payroll tax, when you can just take a repayment of loan? The salary of the CEO can be meaningless unless also disclosed wether they have an equity position or not, and of what caliber. /snip B/c when you get audited by the IRS (which for any small business, is just a matter of time), you will FINED for tax evasion... -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] salary Hi, Just taking a quick survey... answer if you can, but be honest... ;) What is the salary of the CEO of your ISP? Even if you can share the percentage of that salary compared to annual gross revenue... Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] ot, private chat
http://hamachi.cc has a an application with a private chat. That is a side feature in their product. The main app is a P2P VPN application that works actually very well. Everyone in your Hamachi group (up to 16 nodes in free version, 254 in the $40/yr version) can share files/printers and chat as if they were in the same physical LAN. A nice configuration-less VPN. The Nat/Nat Transversal trick: The Hamachi company (now owned by logmein.com) has the 5.0.0.0/8 subnet and every Hamachi user tunnels in and gets a 5.x.x.x IP address. The Hamachi software handles the encryption and authentication, and only uses the 5.x.x.x subnet for VPN'ing. Pete Davis NoDial.net Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it. It was a private chat system. I have a couple of corporate customers that are interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they want better security. Anyone know of such a beast? I could probably handle something that rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's server is what they are mostly after. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot, private chat
Why not use Trillian and Encrypt your sessions. It will send through AOL or MSN Messenger but it sends it from client-to-client encrypted. Eric From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Mon 12/18/2006 6:52 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISPA] ot, private chat Hi All, A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it. It was a private chat system. I have a couple of corporate customers that are interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they want better security. Anyone know of such a beast? I could probably handle something that rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's server is what they are mostly after. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email a Critical Service? was: A wisp who went a little too far.......
Okay, lets say that the pay-per-email program costs $0.02 to send a message. $0.01 goes to the domain registration owner of the receiving domain, and $0.01 goes to the recipient. That 100,000,000 Spam messages that my Barracuda blocked would be worth $1M, if I had let them go through in that scenario, and most/many of my users would have enough spam credit to not have to pay their invoice for a few years. The reality: all you have to pay for is bandwidth. There is no logistically feasible way (that I can see) to put a $0.02 charge on someone/everyone sending an email. If paper/printing was free the US Postal service allowed ANYONE to send ANYTHING for FREE (like the way email works) then a dump truck of junk mail would be backing up to your door every morning. The junk mail advertisers paying $0.17 for bulk mail actually subsidizes the $0.39 that we pay for first class email. Without a bulk mail discount, first class mail would be costing us $2/letter or more. pd Rick Smith wrote: I still get junk mail in my mailbox at the road. I don't like pay-per-email ideas - they (spammers) will then just pay... I think the internet really needs to revamp the smtp idea with authenticated senders. Just having a 25 port open shouldn't be enough -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Email a Critical Service? was: A wisp who went a little too far... If email becomes that important then your business becomes worth more money. I welcome it personally. Obviously we will all need to investigate ways of creating a more stable email environment than we have now. I think we will need to consider developing a pay per email platform where messages are billable. This goes both ways. It fixes the spam issue also. This is our chance to become as important to the American public as the delivery of first class mail. This is important to discuss and debate. What is better? Email is not important or is vitally important? Scriv fred wrote: Why in the world, I want to know, are organ availability notifications going out via email???!!! Seriously. How fun will it be when they start serving subpeonas and such that way - What I never got that email?? ~fred On 12/16/06, Mike Ireton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really interesting part of this: The attack cut off service for one woman who was waiting for an e-mail notifying her about the availability of an organ transplant that she required, according to prosecutors. Because of her critical status, her provider gave her priority status and restored her access within 24 hours. Had her medical providers sent her an e-mail notifying her of a suitable organ donor and had she not responded because of her lost Internet access, she might have lost her priority for an organ, thus potentially extending the period she would have to wait for another donor, wrote prosecutors in the indictment. People are starting to believe their email is guaranteed and that their computers can be entrusted with life saving information. Worse yet, it appears these prosecutors would have trumped this up and made hay out of it had her mail not gotten there. So in another context - what if the stock pump and dump scammers started using wrapper text that mentioned organ donations to the point of poisoning the Bayesian databases of all spamassassin enabled mail servers? What if the mail has been blocked outright due to other spam filtering already in place? Or put into a quarantine and she didn't look in her quarantine box in time? Or if the sending server of the mail was on an RBL due to some other user at the site sending spam to spamcop spamtraps for example? Drama is drama. I think what this guy did was reprehensible and he certainly deserves the clink, but what he did is not any kind of threat or risk to health and safety - the stupidity of using email and computers for life saving communications IS. $0.02 Mike- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Peter, Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee is incorrect. We have consulted with our accountant and our attorney on this exact matter. We have about 30% of our employees with health insurance and 70% without. Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: Sweat equity. The Google boys' $1 salary. Different levels of stock. Investors. }}} All of that is tax planning and corporate law. An S Corp has limitations - both tax and structure. There is a limit on who can be a stockholder and how many. (Like no foreign investment). There can only be one kind of stock. Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee. Minutes and meetings are required annually. Business plan is a necessity. Also, losses for 4 years straight for an LLC and S Corp is a flag at the IRS. Losses indicate a hobby. BTW, some states don't like the LLC (like California). The 2 reasons to incorporate is to reduce tax liability and protect against personal liability (asset protection). Asset protection and tax strategy are complicated. Many CPA's aren't equipped to do complex tax work. (They can only pump a 1040). Three good tax/asset strategists are Sandy Botkin, Lee Phillips, and Lisa Tom. Make sure that your CPA is willing to go with you to the IRS to defend your accounting practices. (And I would get that it writing). Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
I fully agree with Peter. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Tom, My limited exposure has a different perspective: It is easier to keep building out instead of selling deep. A prospect comes to the WISP with a $400 per month pipe and the WISP builds to him. There is the hope (and the hype) that this prospect will be the first of many - and the footprint is extended. I don't see fiber providers selling deep. I don't see many WISP selling deep either. The cash flow comes from filling the pipe. That's my 2 cents. Peter @ RAD_INFO, Inc. Tom DeReggi wrote: Mac, Great insight. But the truth is we are not just wireless alcholics with an addiction to build. There is a reason we (WISPs) keep building. The reason is after considering the impact the new tower build would have, we can truthfully look at the big picture and say that our company is better off with the tower than without, from an evaluation/financial point of view. If a move brings a company in a positive direction, why not do it? The new tower never costs as much as the early ones. Everytime a new tower is built, new opportunity gets created, but old costs get shared, such as the upfront fixed costs of backbone transit bandwdith and primary overhead office staff. In this business, its hard to stay small. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
I agree with Peter as well. That being said with the lower cost of gear today its much cheaper to build out for a select few without loosing money. Then you have another area to sell deep in. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] building out I fully agree with Peter. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Tom, My limited exposure has a different perspective: It is easier to keep building out instead of selling deep. A prospect comes to the WISP with a $400 per month pipe and the WISP builds to him. There is the hope (and the hype) that this prospect will be the first of many - and the footprint is extended. I don't see fiber providers selling deep. I don't see many WISP selling deep either. The cash flow comes from filling the pipe. That's my 2 cents. Peter @ RAD_INFO, Inc. Tom DeReggi wrote: Mac, Great insight. But the truth is we are not just wireless alcholics with an addiction to build. There is a reason we (WISPs) keep building. The reason is after considering the impact the new tower build would have, we can truthfully look at the big picture and say that our company is better off with the tower than without, from an evaluation/financial point of view. If a move brings a company in a positive direction, why not do it? The new tower never costs as much as the early ones. Everytime a new tower is built, new opportunity gets created, but old costs get shared, such as the upfront fixed costs of backbone transit bandwdith and primary overhead office staff. In this business, its hard to stay small. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Travis Johnson wrote: Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee is incorrect. We have consulted with our accountant and our attorney on this exact matter. We have about 30% of our employees with health insurance and 70% without. I believe the correct statement is that an S Corp can only have a single class of shareholders. In that sense, all shareholders must be treated the same because they share a common class. Employees are not necessarily shareholders. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commissions brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] relaynetworksinc
http://www.relaynetworksinc.com/ Anyone done business or heard of them? They just called me looking for any wireless gear I want to sell or buy used. The guy was nice and I told him what I had and wanted. He's suppose to get back with me when he finds a buyer. I don't know how much the website says about wireless, he said it is getting updated to include wireless. So, good, bad, ugly? Anyone know? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
The key, though, is to sell deep. Fill those AP's. Happy Holidays! Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Joe Laura wrote: I agree with Peter as well. That being said with the lower cost of gear today its much cheaper to build out for a select few without loosing money. Then you have another area to sell deep in. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] salary
as long as you OFFER it to them on a poster somewhere in the building. At least, that's what NJ says... that way it's opt in and there's no discrimination -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary Peter, Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee is incorrect. We have consulted with our accountant and our attorney on this exact matter. We have about 30% of our employees with health insurance and 70% without. Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: Sweat equity. The Google boys' $1 salary. Different levels of stock. Investors. }}} All of that is tax planning and corporate law. An S Corp has limitations - both tax and structure. There is a limit on who can be a stockholder and how many. (Like no foreign investment). There can only be one kind of stock. Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee. Minutes and meetings are required annually. Business plan is a necessity. Also, losses for 4 years straight for an LLC and S Corp is a flag at the IRS. Losses indicate a hobby. BTW, some states don't like the LLC (like California). The 2 reasons to incorporate is to reduce tax liability and protect against personal liability (asset protection). Asset protection and tax strategy are complicated. Many CPA's aren't equipped to do complex tax work. (They can only pump a 1040). Three good tax/asset strategists are Sandy Botkin, Lee Phillips, and Lisa Tom. Make sure that your CPA is willing to go with you to the IRS to defend your accounting practices. (And I would get that it writing). Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Rick Smith wrote: as long as you OFFER it to them on a poster somewhere in the building. At least, that's what NJ says... that way it's opt in and there's no discrimination We are a C corp. Med plans, if offered, has to be available to all employees. One of the benefits is the medical reimbursement tax benefits. It's nice to be able to give money to the employees, tax free. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Matt Liotta wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee is incorrect. We have consulted with our accountant and our attorney on this exact matter. We have about 30% of our employees with health insurance and 70% without. I believe the correct statement is that an S Corp can only have a single class of shareholders. In that sense, all shareholders must be treated the same because they share a common class. Employees are not necessarily shareholders. -Matt That's more accurate. I wasn't writing clearly last night. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
I also agree with Peter. Life would have been much easier for me along the way, if I executed that advise sooner. However, now I have more pipes to fills, and can still follow that advice on a larger scale. Now I can serve 90% of the leads that come in with little new cost, apposed to 10% of the leads at a high cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] building out I fully agree with Peter. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Tom, My limited exposure has a different perspective: It is easier to keep building out instead of selling deep. A prospect comes to the WISP with a $400 per month pipe and the WISP builds to him. There is the hope (and the hype) that this prospect will be the first of many - and the footprint is extended. I don't see fiber providers selling deep. I don't see many WISP selling deep either. The cash flow comes from filling the pipe. That's my 2 cents. Peter @ RAD_INFO, Inc. Tom DeReggi wrote: Mac, Great insight. But the truth is we are not just wireless alcholics with an addiction to build. There is a reason we (WISPs) keep building. The reason is after considering the impact the new tower build would have, we can truthfully look at the big picture and say that our company is better off with the tower than without, from an evaluation/financial point of view. If a move brings a company in a positive direction, why not do it? The new tower never costs as much as the early ones. Everytime a new tower is built, new opportunity gets created, but old costs get shared, such as the upfront fixed costs of backbone transit bandwdith and primary overhead office staff. In this business, its hard to stay small. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Building WARboard radios
On average, how long does it take, to build a WAR/rootenna radio system, start to finish. Or I should say, how much time should the manager allocate for the process to be complete by their techs. Lets define some common variables Say the tech is building 5 at a time, of the same configuration. Assume that its mounting equipment that does not come as a complete kit, meaning the follow ing variable could occurs Need to find the correct standoffs. Net to cut sheet metal and drill holes for backplane. Need to power up and teset radio. Boards are WAR board preloaded with Firmware. PS. The WAR boards have narrower diameter mounting hole, and the typical coarse thread gold PC stand-offs are to wide and thread into the hole in appropriately. Any one have a source for the fine thread narrower diameter standoffs and nuts? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] building out
The problem with the philosophy of building out is that you never make any money... Don't just take orders -- learn to actually sell -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] building out I agree with Peter as well. That being said with the lower cost of gear today its much cheaper to build out for a select few without loosing money. Then you have another area to sell deep in. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] building out I fully agree with Peter. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Tom, My limited exposure has a different perspective: It is easier to keep building out instead of selling deep. A prospect comes to the WISP with a $400 per month pipe and the WISP builds to him. There is the hope (and the hype) that this prospect will be the first of many - and the footprint is extended. I don't see fiber providers selling deep. I don't see many WISP selling deep either. The cash flow comes from filling the pipe. That's my 2 cents. Peter @ RAD_INFO, Inc. Tom DeReggi wrote: Mac, Great insight. But the truth is we are not just wireless alcholics with an addiction to build. There is a reason we (WISPs) keep building. The reason is after considering the impact the new tower build would have, we can truthfully look at the big picture and say that our company is better off with the tower than without, from an evaluation/financial point of view. If a move brings a company in a positive direction, why not do it? The new tower never costs as much as the early ones. Everytime a new tower is built, new opportunity gets created, but old costs get shared, such as the upfront fixed costs of backbone transit bandwdith and primary overhead office staff. In this business, its hard to stay small. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot, private chat
Marlon, We use Wildfire and Spark is the client. It is a jabber server that has encryption built in. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:53 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISPA] ot, private chat Hi All, A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it. It was a private chat system. I have a couple of corporate customers that are interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they want better security. Anyone know of such a beast? I could probably handle something that rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's server is what they are mostly after. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Thought I would throw this out about the GAO's report on company formations. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06376.pdf This may or not be relevant to the topic at hand, but may be parallel information to be aware of. Cliff note summary from the report. Why the study: Companies form the basis of most commercial and entrepreneurial activities in market-based economies; however, shell companies, which have no operations, can be used for illicit purposes such as laundering money. Some states have been criticized for requiring minimal ownership information to form a U.S. company, raising concerns about the ease with which companies may be used for illicit purposes. In this report, GAO describes (1) the kinds of information each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia and third party agents collect on companies, (2) law enforcement concerns about the use of companies to hide illicit activity and how company information from states and agents helps or hinders investigations, and (3) implications of requiring states or agents to collect company ownership information. What the GAO found: Most states do not require ownership information at the time a company is formed, and while most states require corporations and limited liability companies (LLC) to file annual or biennial reports, few states require ownership information on these reports. With respect to the formation of LLCs, four states require some information on members, who are owners of the LLC. Some states require companies to list the names and addresses of directors, officers or managers on filings, but these persons may not own the company. Nearly all states screen company filings for statutorily required information, but none verify the identities of company officials. Third-party agents may submit formation documents to the state on a company's behalf, usually collecting only billing and statutorily required information for formations. These agents generally do not collect any information on owners of the companies they represent, and instances where agents told us they verified some information were rare. Frank Muto President/CEO FSM Marketing Group, Inc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I hate to say it, but if the info contained in the Form 477 is not held in confidence - like it is supposed to be, then I am going to sound like so many others by saying that our Government can not be trusted. I will choose to refrain from any further comments other than to say I hope that our following the proper procedures and guidelines don't come back to bite all us in the arse - - - as so many prophesied that chose NOT to fill out the form 477. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court Thats a good view Tom. Until a decision is made one way or another, we probably shouldn't jump to conclusions. However, we should keep a keen eye for a comment period concerning this issue. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I remember once when a big corporation, to remain nameless, offered to buy me for a nice chunk of change then after we signed the NDA and they looked at my numbers they never called me or returned our calls again. Mind you are the largest ISP in my town so it wasn't for lack of numbers. They simply wanted to know how much business was in my town so they could justify whether they would come here and take us out. The Form 477 is just another way for corporations to see how strong your market is so they can have you essentially research for them the feasibility for them to come spend three million (just a vague reference not a real number - you'll see if you read the rant) to run you out of business. I'm done on the form 477 comment but in a tell us how you really feel rambling (as Marlon would say) here is what I think of our competition: rantThe new corporate motto is, 'Why buy an existing customer base for a million when we can come to their market and spend three million in advertising or free/under cost services to force them out.' It's not naievety by the government either they know that corporations are basically greedy and corrupt but they donate well to political figures so if they have to do anything they can to please their stockholders more power to them. Letters to the FTC, or Justice department asking for investigations of these many unethical acts are all unanswered during a Republican Adminstration. We're all old enough to remember when Republicans were the friend of small business, doesn't seem that long ago. Oh sure they have small business loans out there but now you have to hire their buddies as Consultants for 1/4 of the loan value in order to fill out the overly difficult forms. Government is just as unethical so how are they going to set the example for American corporations. Service or community responsibilty is a luxury from them not like us who use it as our foundations. That is why those two traits are the only thing that keep small business alive for those few customers who want to pay less at the cost of being on hold for 1/2 hour for service they don't get anyway. Look at Charter Cable, Paul Allen needed a write-off for his huge profits on Microsft, got it by writing off investors losses as his own so he didn't have to acutally spend that money! Or Clearwire which is Craig McCaws write-off dupped Intel and Microsoft into bailing his failing venture out. Neither give a damn about their customers other then they pay their bill so the stockholders don't sue them for making their stock (in Charter's case) go from $30 to a buck or so. I can't believe I'm admitting it but I think Bill Gates is much more of a 'True American' then either of those other scum I mentioned. At least he uses his write-off for good. Even if Windows is a crappy program, it did bring the world into the computer age so good for him which made them customers of ours, well until Allen or McCaw steals them to the tune of another billion dollar or more loss. /end rant Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. --- I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC).
Re: [WISPA] building out
Hi Charles, Any tips on learning to sell? What's helped you the most? On 12/19/06, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with the philosophy of building out is that you never make any money... Don't just take orders -- learn to actually sell -Charles -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Want a portable tower ?
I've got two of these, exactly the same. They're really stable. I've never measured them, but they say they go about 20' into the air. I am 6' and this one's about 2x over my head. I'd say around 15' or so, and there's still a lot to crank up on it. Got bored the other day, so I raised some Christmas lights :) They cost about $1k each, and about $250 to ship together to me from Texas, about 2 yrs ago. We never used 'em, as I never had the time / cash to get together a trailer to mount 'em to. Name me a price offlist, and I'll make a deal. They're both in perfect working condition. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
The Center for Public Integrity is suing under FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) for access to the 477's because they do not believe that the broadband data that the FCC reports is true and they want to add that raw data to their media report at http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom. www.broadbandwirelessreports.com/pressreleases/files/Complaint*FCC*.pdf - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want a portable tower ?
Pictures don't pass to the list so please post a link or give the model number. On 12/19/06, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got two of these, exactly the same. They're really stable. I've never measured them, but they say they go about 20' into the air. I am 6' and this one's about 2x over my head. I'd say around 15' or so, and there's still a lot to crank up on it. Got bored the other day, so I raised some Christmas lights :) They cost about $1k each, and about $250 to ship together to me from Texas, about 2 yrs ago. We never used 'em, as I never had the time / cash to get together a trailer to mount 'em to. Name me a price offlist, and I'll make a deal. They're both in perfect working condition. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
My best tip: Go to Amazon.com or BN.com and search for Jeffrey Gitomer Pick either the Sales Bible, the Little Red Book of Sales Answers, or his DVD, How to Not Suck at Sales. Best sales trainer in the business. Another book would be Idiot's Guide to Cold Calling by Keith Rosen (not all about cold calling but about all aspects of selling). Take training at Sandlers Sales or with me or with a business coach like Keith Rosen. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. 813.963.5884 Dylan Oliver wrote: Hi Charles, Any tips on learning to sell? What's helped you the most? On 12/19/06, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with the philosophy of building out is that you never make any money... Don't just take orders -- learn to actually sell -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
Dylan Oliver wrote: Hi Charles, Any tips on learning to sell? What's helped you the most? Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
The boss got one toady too. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court I got one also Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Building WARboard radios
I figure about 15 minutes for an RB112 / mikrotik / SR5 and SR2 cards w/cables, exterior cables, and antenna hookup / testing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Building WARboard radios On average, how long does it take, to build a WAR/rootenna radio system, start to finish. Or I should say, how much time should the manager allocate for the process to be complete by their techs. Lets define some common variables Say the tech is building 5 at a time, of the same configuration. Assume that its mounting equipment that does not come as a complete kit, meaning the follow ing variable could occurs Need to find the correct standoffs. Net to cut sheet metal and drill holes for backplane. Need to power up and teset radio. Boards are WAR board preloaded with Firmware. PS. The WAR boards have narrower diameter mounting hole, and the typical coarse thread gold PC stand-offs are to wide and thread into the hole in appropriately. Any one have a source for the fine thread narrower diameter standoffs and nuts? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) Bell- Blue Operators-Orange Give-Green Bad- Brown Service- Slate While- White Running- Red Backwards- Black You- Yellow Vomit- Violet If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones with thousands of pairs... Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought
Anyone else get this? _ From: FCC 477 Contact [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:46 AM To: FCC 477 Contact Subject: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought The attached Public Notice is being sent to you because you were the contact person for a FCC Form 477 filing. If you filed Form 477 as a contractor, consultant, or legal counsel for a client company, you may wish to forward this information to your client. The Public Notice provides a contact for further information. The Public Notice is also available online at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought
nope :) Guess why. Right. No one's getting my info from that data. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought Anyone else get this? _ From: FCC 477 Contact [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:46 AM To: FCC 477 Contact Subject: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought The attached Public Notice is being sent to you because you were the contact person for a FCC Form 477 filing. If you filed Form 477 as a contractor, consultant, or legal counsel for a client company, you may wish to forward this information to your client. The Public Notice provides a contact for further information. The Public Notice is also available online at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: Happy Holidays from Redline Communications
It's really to bad that good companies in the wireless business bow to a few that seem to think we don't know why it's a season to celebrate? Let me say wholeheartedly and unabashedly Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to everyone. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Redline Communications [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:27:26 -0900 Subject: Happy Holidays from Redline Communications Happy Holidays ~ Dear Dee, Redline Communications All of us at Redline Communications wish you... every happiness this Holiday Season and prosperity in the New Year. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redlinecommunications.com - This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Update Profile/Email Address http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oom=1101225795266ea=dee%40akwireless.netse=5670t=1101489730650lang=enreason=F Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=unm=1101225795266ea=dee%40akwireless.netse=5670t=1101489730650lang=enreason=F Privacy Policy: http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Powered by Constant Contact(R) www.constantcontact.com Redline Communications | 302 Town Centre Blvd | Markham | Ontario | L3R 0E8 | Canada -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought
No Comment.. :-) It was just a matter of time -B- Rick Smith wrote: nope :) Guess why. Right. No one's getting my info from that data. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Happy Holidays from Redline Communications
W.D.McKinney wrote: It's really to bad that good companies in the wireless business bow to a few that seem to think we don't know why it's a season to celebrate? Let me say wholeheartedly and unabashedly Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to everyone. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Ahh.It's also */hanukkah/* http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensa=Xoi=spellresnum=0ct=resultcd=1q=hanukkahspell=1 so its not unreasonable to say Happy Holidays. I celebrate Christmas because I am Christian but there are also other holidays during this time of the year so Happy Holidays is not unreasonable -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Sounds like this could be it. The backhauls are Trango link 10's do you happen to remember what the ARP limit was that you were having problems with? Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot, private chat
I don't know what jabba is. - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot, private chat How about a Jabber server? On 12/18/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it. It was a private chat system. I have a couple of corporate customers that are interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they want better security. Anyone know of such a beast? I could probably handle something that rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's server is what they are mostly after. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot, private chat
Ahhh, thanks. I'm NOT looking for anything like that. The last thing in the world that I'd want to do to my customers is route their traffic through anyone that we don't know. marlon - Original Message - From: Pete Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot, private chat http://hamachi.cc has a an application with a private chat. That is a side feature in their product. The main app is a P2P VPN application that works actually very well. Everyone in your Hamachi group (up to 16 nodes in free version, 254 in the $40/yr version) can share files/printers and chat as if they were in the same physical LAN. A nice configuration-less VPN. The Nat/Nat Transversal trick: The Hamachi company (now owned by logmein.com) has the 5.0.0.0/8 subnet and every Hamachi user tunnels in and gets a 5.x.x.x IP address. The Hamachi software handles the encryption and authentication, and only uses the 5.x.x.x subnet for VPN'ing. Pete Davis NoDial.net Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it. It was a private chat system. I have a couple of corporate customers that are interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they want better security. Anyone know of such a beast? I could probably handle something that rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's server is what they are mostly after. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] training
Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
I remember that from school Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) Bell- Blue Operators-Orange Give-Green Bad- Brown Service- Slate While- White Running- Red Backwards- Black You- Yellow Vomit- Violet If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones with thousands of pairs... Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I'll be surprised if the info is released. The data is all available already. Just nothing specific to a company. And specific company data won't do anyone any real good. This has been going on for several months now if it's the same case. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Mac, Is this a trango command? I don't remember there being an arp command in the link10's Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has BeenSought
K answered my question! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has BeenSought Anyone else get this? _ From: FCC 477 Contact [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:46 AM To: FCC 477 Contact Subject: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought The attached Public Notice is being sent to you because you were the contact person for a FCC Form 477 filing. If you filed Form 477 as a contractor, consultant, or legal counsel for a client company, you may wish to forward this information to your client. The Public Notice provides a contact for further information. The Public Notice is also available online at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: Happy Holidays from Redline Communications
Wholly agree that there are many other religions than Christianity and fortunately here in the great 'ol USA we have many freedoms including freedom of religion. However, without dispute the reason for the season is Christmas. The world stops during these times for no other reason than Christmas. Like it or not it really doesn't matter. That-them-there is the facts. Several major big-box retailers found out the hard way last year when they tried selling Holiday Trees instead of Christmas Trees or greeting with Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. With the greatest of respect Bob, give me a break it is indeed Christmas not Holidays. I only make church a couple times a year and even I get it. grin Ok, I'm outta here...too many Shiner Beers tonight... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Happy Holidays from Redline Communications W.D.McKinney wrote: It's really to bad that good companies in the wireless business bow to a few that seem to think we don't know why it's a season to celebrate? Let me say wholeheartedly and unabashedly Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to everyone. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Ahh.It's also */hanukkah/* http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensa=Xoi=spellresnum=0ct=resultcd=1q= hanukkahspell=1 so its not unreasonable to say Happy Holidays. I celebrate Christmas because I am Christian but there are also other holidays during this time of the year so Happy Holidays is not unreasonable -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Travis Johnson wrote: Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? As you may know, I am working on several technical training classes, including one that covers WISP Basics. While the focus of this class is not exactly what you asked for, it is a good starting point. However, If you'd like, I can put together a manual for you. While I'm at it, how many others would be interested in such a manual? If I did this, it would most likely be a video that covers such topics as: * Mounting techniques - rooftop and dss arm type mounts * Antenna basics - aiming and testing link quality * Weather proofing - we all know about this * Cable runs - including basics on how to drill various materials and where to drill (and not to drill). Also, drip loops * Grounding * Termination of LMR and Ethernet cables * Testing the final install This is just off the top of my head, but the real question would be (for me), how many would be willing to pay for such a video...and what is it worth? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Mac, We tried that but it didn't totally resolve the issue. Chadd, I would guess it was around 100. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
I really would like to see a simple wireless installation training manual. The local folks wnat $7K to produce one :-( -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com, WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:26:18 -0900 Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
