[WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs

2007-01-27 Thread Jack Unger
Boeing is dropping it's plans to offer wireless access on the new 787 Dreamliner. It will be using a WIRED network instead. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/301086_boeing25.html The reasons given were: 1. Reducing the aircraft weight. 2. Difficulty in getting regulatory approval in

Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs

2007-01-27 Thread fred
An antenna in every row of seats??!! ~fred On 1/27/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boeing is dropping it's plans to offer wireless access on the new 787 Dreamliner. It will be using a WIRED network instead. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs

2007-01-27 Thread George Rogato
My thinking is that Boeing engineers may have simply failed to learn a lesson that some WISPs have known for years. Any knowledgeable WISP could have told Boeing that putting two dozen access points inside an airplane cabin would create so much self-interference that the system would never

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread John J. Thomas
Sam, Walmart has made most of its money by screwing others. Truck driver makes delivery to Walmart ad unload pallets. Goes to have receiving sign for them. Receiving refuses to sign, and says that *after* the truck driver *unloads* the items off the pallets, then he will sign. This is NOT the

Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi

2007-01-27 Thread John J. Thomas
True, to be fair, there are Munis doing private Wireless, public wireless and both. Most Munis see the benefit of doing it private, although some are still politically tempted to do the public or public-private mix to make them some campaign points. When we work with cities and they say they

[WISPA] Competing with WiMax 3G+

2007-01-27 Thread Joshua M. Andrews
I've been interested in using 900 MHz technology to start a small WISP in a few areas in my region but am a bit intimidated by the vast amount of competition. Just when I get started on the business plan and feasibility of it all I start hearing about WiMax providers and 3G technology and wonder

RE: [WISPA] Competing with WiMax 3G+

2007-01-27 Thread Patrick Leary
Joshua, Here is my view and remember while reading it that our company thusfar is literally in the lead regarding WiMAX (Skylight says we have 80% share of WiMAX deployments; Maravedis says over 50%; none say lower): You are seeking to build and offer a fixed wireless broadband service. WiMAX

RE: [WISPA] Competing with WiMax 3G+

2007-01-27 Thread Patrick Leary
By the way, a story about the inadequacy of 3G: Last week I was in a car zooming south on highway 101 in the Silicon Valley trying to make it on time for a WiMAX panel at WCA about personal broadband (the world of mobile WiMAX). I was late. The driver let me use his 3G CDMA connection to upload

Re: [WISPA] Competing with WiMax 3G+

2007-01-27 Thread W.D.McKinney
I hope to have first hand experience as a BreezeMAX user soon to share. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Joshua M. Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Blake Bowers
Actually, Walmart has made most of its money by providing the CONSUMER with what the CONSUMER wants. A truck driver has his responsibilities. If he is told he should unload his pallets - and that is not his job, the issue is with his employer, whoever agreed with walmart to have the driver

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread John Scrivner
The devil is in the details. I only sell unlimited connections over leased line connections. Everyone else signs our AUP and agrees to a maximum speed on their plan. We do not do this to be punitive either. We do it because you will go broke if you try to sell multiple customer connections per

RE: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Our company sells to US, European, and South American cable companies. Outside the US, we see that the dominant service plan is broadband with a byte cap. Inside the US that is rare probably due to the US having been the birthplace of the Internet and the widespread reverence for it as a system

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread George Rogato
Blake Bowers wrote: The pickles... The famous pickles. Got to love it. You tie the pickles with the bankruptcy, when every industry analyst, all the business mags, Vlasic themselves, all agree, Walmart or the pickle deal was not a critical factor in their bankruptcy. Not sure about

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread wispa
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:27:22 -0800, George Rogato wrote Blake Bowers wrote: You know, the only real difference between WalMart and most other retailers, is that what the manufacturer agrees to do, WalMart holds them to. Rubbermaid, Vlasic Pickles, Bicycle makers, the list goes on and on. All

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Peter R.
Blake Bowers wrote: Actually, Walmart has made most of its money by providing the CONSUMER with what the CONSUMER wants. Walmart fills only what the consumer wants. That is how they make money, by meeting those consumer needs/desires. When a customer wants an apple for ten cents, you

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Travis Johnson
I just read the USA Today article from 2003. It says the namebrand items provide 15% profit while the private label items provide 30% profit. Those are HUGE margins for a company now doing a billion a day in sales. I agree they have gotten where they are because they can operate on very low

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread wispa
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:06:21 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote I just read the USA Today article from 2003. It says the namebrand items provide 15% profit while the private label items provide 30% profit. Those are HUGE margins for a company now doing a billion a day in sales. I don't know where

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Peter R.
Mark, While it is true that many suppliers created their own problems, both Walmart Home Depot do in fact beat up their suppliers. Extra fees. Delivery hassles. Invoicing issues. It is a catch-22: everyone wants to sell at Walmart to get at the eyeballs, but at what cost? Why do you think

Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs

2007-01-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
200 lbs of aps and antennas How the hell is THAT possible? I'll bet all of my gear weighs in less than that and I've got 6000 square miles over coverage, not just one puny little airplane! Steve, do your old bosses need help over there or what? You need to go back to work for Boing!

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Jason
My $0.02 slightly OT, but food for thought about price: In my last lifetime I worked as a mechanical engineer. One achievement I was particularly proud of was being the head engineer over a frangible bullet production line (frangible copper alloy bullets for firing ranges to prevent

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Travis Johnson
Selling internet SERVICE is different than selling a PRODUCT. Your costs are not in the hard costs of the product, leases, etc. it's in the monthly costs (bandwidth, servers, employees, credit card processing fees, etc.). So your "gross profit" is going to be much higher than Walmart or

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread John J. Thomas
Mark, how would you like to be the employee at an American television tube manufacturer and then lose your job and watch the plant close. The manufacturer found that foreign companies were dumping their product on the American market so they filed suit. When push came to shove, Walmart filed

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
One of my kids bought a game the other day. Wal-Mart had it at $x. A block away we found the same game, brand new for almost half the price of Wal-Mart. We so rarely shop there anymore. Used to drop $400 to $500 per trip with house stuff, clothes, groceries etc. We finally got fed up with

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-27 Thread John J. Thomas
I read an article once about this. What happens when Walmart can't drop prices any lower? Who foots the bill when Walmart employees get sick and go to the Emergency room? John -Original Message- From: Peter R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 03:46 PM To: