Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....
wispa wrote: So, who set the standard for toilet paper roll size? Actually Mark, as far as I can tell there is a standard for toilet paper rolls Same for paper towel rolls and even paper 8.5 x 11 Kind of makes it easy to use in printers from all manufacturers. You asked :) -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....
Now I have to ask seeing that we are talking about rear-ends, isn't that paper for the printer a little tough on the behind, not a place to have a paper-cut you know. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha George Rogato wrote: wispa wrote: So, who set the standard for toilet paper roll size? Actually Mark, as far as I can tell there is a standard for toilet paper rolls Same for paper towel rolls and even paper 8.5 x 11 Kind of makes it easy to use in printers from all manufacturers. You asked :) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:04:51 -0800, George Rogato wrote wispa wrote: So, who set the standard for toilet paper roll size? Actually Mark, as far as I can tell there is a standard for toilet paper rolls But you can buy TP in a wide variety of sizes, density, etc. Same for paper towel rolls and even paper 8.5 x 11 Kind of makes it easy to use in printers from all manufacturers. You asked :) paper is also available in a wide array of things OTHER than those standards. Those standards are not set and mandated to be used by some regulatory agency. Heck, Avery set standards for stickers, and guess what... most people follow them. But some don't. I can still get stickers in the size I want, though :) -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:39:06 -0500, Carl A jeptha wrote Now I have to ask seeing that we are talking about rear-ends, isn't that paper for the printer a little tough on the behind, not a place to have a paper-cut you know. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha I almost had to send you the bill for cleaning my breakfast off the LCD monitor Good one, Carl... heh. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP
Gee willikers George, What color panties should I buy the ole' lady? - Hehehe All the bandwidth intensive applications are at the hospital itself. The whole major purpose of the 10mbps connection is for a system they call PAC's which is a X ray thing that transmits the pictures via internet to a group of Doctors outside the USA (but in USA Territory) where it is read at the time of arrival then the results retransmitted back to the hospital via internet. It can be done with 1.54mbps, but they have their smaller clinics, Dr.'s offices, Home Health offices, billing and something else off site and they are trying to drop Bell South and her DSL crap. That is the purpose of the AU and SU's. It is mostly for internet access, but billing will be done via wireless as well. There will be no heavy usage of the LAN short of internet connectivity and our VoIP. This will be our 5th hospital to connect via wireless and be their major provider with Bell South being their back up connection. We aint done to bad for being high tech red necks here in N. Louisiana with the medical facilities and banking industry. The beauty of the Alvarion SU's is that they are software upgradeable to 54mbps. If they decide at a later date that they need better/more throughput at one of these locations then all we have to do is buy the upgrade for the SU. If that don't do what they want then all we have to do is buy another AU. I have given them too many options already and this one seems to be the one that they can afford and the one that makes the best sense to me. I have left them in the driver's seat. The other thing is that I will own the wireless LAN. There will be a 3 year contract signed on this wireless LAN just like it was with the 10mbps connectivity. I am not going to tell what I get per month for these wireless LANs around here, but I can say that it is nice for me and they get to choose the cream of the crop of wireless gear, transfer rates and never have to worry about maintenance or upkeep. If something doesn't work (we monitor) we show up and take care of it - regardless where the trouble is at. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP Ok, After some thought I have a suggestion for you Mac. 1st, your dealing with a hospital and I'm assuming your connecting their buildings together to connect their lans from each building and tying them all together. Under that assumption, I wouldn't think a PtMP solution is really the solution. Hospitals have losts of money or at least spend lots of money, why would a few radios be any diferent? 2nd they have some bandwidth usage that can be taxing. An example such as MRI's and CAT scans. Not sure if you know what MRI files are like, but generally their mega size files, gigs of pictures of peoples brains\bodies sliced into thin slivers with lots of slices at very high resolution. When hospitals need a radiologist to give them a quick assesment of a patients condition in life threatening situations, they use the network to get the radiologist the files so he can tell thm how to proceed quickly. They do NOT want to wait. Time is of the essence. Around here they call the radiologist at home if he's home and they don't want to wait a half an hour for him to get into the hospital. So I have some experience here because the radiologist is my customer and I've seen him in action. The MRI and Radiologist is just one example of heavy usage. I'm sure there are others. Now your connecting the buildings together. Do you want a slow connection connecting each building together using PtMP where the AP can be bogged down because it's now the center hub of the network connecting all the buildings tohether? Preferably not. What you should be doing is using a multiple ap's and su's or multiple PtP's with each ap providing a seperate connection for each building. This way you've increased the capacity of the network connectivity, added increased performance and eliminated an ap from becoming the hub of their network. You could use 10MHz channel widths if you need to be conservative in spectrum. What I wouldn't want to do to a hospital is be cheap out the get go. Generally the hospitals networks admins are the types of admins that think they are network gods. So you don't want to start out with a typical low cost broadband delivery offering and ley them pick you apart if it's not up to snuff for them. You should give them choices and allow them to make the decision. I would offer them a package using indivisdual PtP links and a cheaper package using PtMP and let them choose based on what they feel they will need. You may be surprised that they will choose to spend a few extra thousand dollars to do the job right. I'm also thinking that an su that can only deliver 6 megs is really NOT
Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....
Sort of off topic, to be sure, but, exactly what does having a universal standard do for us? Aren't all the toilet paper rolls the same width for your roller? Donn't all the toilets mount in the same size base fitting? :-) How long... or, should I say, what, is even the remote possibility, that Europe will switch should we invent something far better than GSM? Size creates inertia. Inertia and mass create friction and friction resists movement. Oh, contrair. With the size of the worldwide GSM there is lots of momentum behind its evolution. GPRS happened and was available in the same time-frame as US based 21/2G solutions. Next, GSM is migrating to WCDMA (the standard version of the EVDO's we're seeing being deployed around here). But what's the chances of getting every nation of the EU to move, other than minor evolutionary movements with full backward compatibiilty, for some time to come? WCDMA is hardly a minor evolutionary movement. GSM is essentially switching from a 300KHz or so TDMA to a 5MHz CDMA (as I said, it looks very much like the EVDO's you see deployed around here). Every nation in the EU, and for that part, most every other nation on the planet that adopted GSM will move. They enjoy the benefits of price that only come from the power of volume manufacturing far beyond any non-standard US specific technology. Ahh, but you see chaos and disorder. I see opportunity knocking and excitement. Yes, very exciting indeed. I worked for a US manufacturer that slid from #1 in world sales down to perhaps #3 in handsets (and off the chart in infastructure) in that very market. All the dominant world manufacturers in cellular today are foreign and riding the GSM world standard. We all know the US has completely lost numerous high technology markets forever. We lost computer memories, automobiles, TVs, VCRs, and cellular (among many others). Behind each lost market is a unique story. In the case of cellular, the fragmentation of the US standards for cellular technology is a direct cause of losing an entire US market. We can all thank the FCC, and a pair of US manufacturers for that. We HAD a standard, a nice, comfy, understood, universal standard for phone service... copper. A user-friendly monopoly phone company that had nice operators and everyone's phone worked like everyone else's. And then the justice department stepped in (circa 1975). Then there were 3 distinct long distance carriers building essentially completely redunant competing networks, where each could (by the law of averages) reap only a third of the customer base of single unified network. Long before wireless, the United States quickly slipped from #1 to behind all other advanced countries which maintained a unified PTT (Postal Telephone Telegraph ... typically government operated in most countries). Again, we quickly slipped from leadership to almost last place among advanced countries in ISDN and other advanced services ... back when ISDN would have still been fast compared to alternatives. Essentially no single company could be profitable enough in a fragmented market to keep the US on the front edge. It's always interesting... Hey, I love this ... it's been near and dear to my heart through about 30 yrs in the industry (I spent almost 10 yrs of it in standards group participation). I don't know how others on the list think of the topic. If we're boring others maybe we should continue any follow-up off-line. cheers, Rich - Original Message - From: wispa To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:31:23 -0600, Rich Comroe wrote We don't have to agree. I certainly respect differing opinions as long as their from people that seem to know the field. I thought the switch to 2nd gen put up whatever you want was a departure from earlier FCC stand ... when all 1st gen cellular systems would follow the TIA approved AMPS standard. Why do I think the change was not for our best? Because the US manufacturers went from world domination of cellular (you could take your amps phone anywhere in the world), to last place (almost the entire world adopted the GSM standard in the face of the US meltdown in digital cellular standards). So, who set the standard for toilet paper roll size? Sort of off topic, to be sure, but, exactly what does having a universal standard do for us? Oh, wait, you can buy toilet paper in several sizes. Doesn't seem to have caused my posterior a lot of grief, though. Ok, silliness aside, we have some remnant AMPS left, a few vestiges of the old TDMA system and the a couple implementations that are CDMA, and then IDEN. Oh, yeah, the US flavor of GSM. That's just where I live. How long... or, should I say, what, is even the remote possibility, that
Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:01:32 -0600, Rich Comroe wrote Sort of off topic, to be sure, but, exactly what does having a universal standard do for us? Aren't all the toilet paper rolls the same width for your roller? Donn't all the toilets mount in the same size base fitting? :-) Actually, not at all. How long... or, should I say, what, is even the remote possibility, that Europe will switch should we invent something far better than GSM? Size creates inertia. Inertia and mass create friction and friction resists movement. Oh, contrair. With the size of the worldwide GSM there is lots of momentum behind its evolution. You confirmed exactly what I said. Evolution. Not revolution. GPRS happened and was available in the same time-frame as US based 21/2G solutions. Next, GSM is migrating to WCDMA (the standard version of the EVDO's we're seeing being deployed around here). But what's the chances of getting every nation of the EU to move, other than minor evolutionary movements with full backward compatibiilty, for some time to come? WCDMA is hardly a minor evolutionary movement. GSM is essentially switching from a 300KHz or so TDMA to a 5MHz CDMA (as I said, it looks very much like the EVDO's you see deployed around here). What's to say it isn't minor? Only that nobody has stepped up to the plate yet with something big? There is no market in Europe for something big, only evolution. That's not good enough for me. Every nation in the EU, and for that part, most every other nation on the planet that adopted GSM will move. They enjoy the benefits of price that only come from the power of volume manufacturing far beyond any non-standard US specific technology. H... I can't find any price benefit. Really, I can't. I've attempted to find the price of airtime and phones in Europe... and all I can find costs more than here. Ahh, but you see chaos and disorder. I see opportunity knocking and excitement. Yes, very exciting indeed. I worked for a US manufacturer that slid from #1 in world sales down to perhaps #3 in handsets (and off the chart in infastructure) in that very market. All the dominant world manufacturers in cellular today are foreign and riding the GSM world standard. We all know the US has completely lost numerous high technology markets forever. We lost computer memories, automobiles, TVs, VCRs, and cellular (among many others). Behind each lost market is a unique story. In the case of cellular, the fragmentation of the US standards for cellular technology is a direct cause of losing an entire US market. We can all thank the FCC, and a pair of US manufacturers for that. I disagree. There's only one place where revolution is possible... HERE. As far as losing those markets forever, I'd like to know what's cutting edge about a VCR? Or TV? Not much. Nothing really revolutionary about DDR2-400 ram either. It's a mundane commodity. I'm sorry your company wasn't prepared for real competition. Sometimes nobody is. It happens. But we'll never lead ANYTHING if all we do is follow what someone else does. Or insist we remain stuck to what everyone else does. We HAD a standard, a nice, comfy, understood, universal standard for phone service... copper. A user-friendly monopoly phone company that had nice operators and everyone's phone worked like everyone else's. And then the justice department stepped in (circa 1975). Then there were 3 distinct long distance carriers building essentially completely redunant competing networks, where each could (by the law of averages) reap only a third of the customer base of single unified network. I love competition. Long before wireless, the United States quickly slipped from #1 to behind all other advanced countries which maintained a unified PTT (Postal Telephone Telegraph ... typically government operated in most countries). Huh? You're going to need to explain this one, as I have no idea what you're talking about here. Again, we quickly slipped from leadership to almost last place among advanced countries in ISDN and other advanced services ISDN was an answer in search of a problem. A problem that never really existed. ... back when ISDN would have still been fast compared to alternatives. Essentially no single company could be profitable enough in a fragmented market to keep the US on the front edge. I get the impression you define front edge as greatest market penetration or most sales or most copied. I define it as the being the one that takes off on their own and tries what everyone else is NOT doing. It's always interesting... Hey, I love this ... it's been near and dear to my heart through about 30 yrs in the industry (I spent almost 10 yrs of it in standards group participation). I don't know how others on the list think of the topic. If we're
[WISPA] Net Neutrality - a somewhat different take
You can take his views however you wish... But NN legislation is probably on the way, and this could get real ugly...REAL ugly real fast. When DC takes on a problem, whether or not it really exists, it turns political instantly, and we could be the ones that get whipsawed. http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20070228-075046-2287r.htm Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....
I think we've nailed this one. I get the impression you define front edge as greatest market penetration or most sales or most copied. I define it as the being the one that takes off on their own and tries what everyone else is NOT doing. We've found common ground ... in that we recognize that we each want different things. I'm not looking for the most fun, or the fanciest or latest technology or choice to do whatever I want. I define best as what serves the most people at the best price. I further define what I believe is the best decision basis by my government as what best serves the American people and American industry. As you pointed out, sometimes American industries do not correctly perceive what is in their own best interest (they sometimes make poor choices) and they suffer. I agree, shame on them. But I really think it's awful when America loses whole markets ... that's lost jobs ... not just for the manufacturers, but their suppliers, transporters, etc, across the entire American workforce. It doesn't matter whether they're cutting technology or not (while many of these lost markets WERE cutting technology at the time). This has hurt all Americans in so many ways. BTW - While I understand our perspectives differ, the only point I'd challenge in your last reply is: But I would bet that, like WCDMA, the better ideas come from here. No, it didn't. WCDMA is the European Wideband CDMA selected by ETSI for 3rd generation cellular. European standards organizations go out of their way to not intentionally select anything from America. Like all standards bodies, it is moved to what they perceive as to the advantage of its members. And if you think this is evolutionary from GSM/GPRS - WCDMA I don't know what to tell you. I tried to point out the jump in technology that they are bridging in the last post, and to me it's completely revolutionary. regards, Rich p.s. I have to admit that I used to think in complete agreement with your line of argument when I was much younger. I don't know whether you're younger than me or the same age, but for me 30 yrs in industry changed many of my perspectives! :-) - Original Message - From: wispa To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:01:32 -0600, Rich Comroe wrote Sort of off topic, to be sure, but, exactly what does having a universal standard do for us? Aren't all the toilet paper rolls the same width for your roller? Donn't all the toilets mount in the same size base fitting? :-) Actually, not at all. How long... or, should I say, what, is even the remote possibility, that Europe will switch should we invent something far better than GSM? Size creates inertia. Inertia and mass create friction and friction resists movement. Oh, contrair. With the size of the worldwide GSM there is lots of momentum behind its evolution. You confirmed exactly what I said. Evolution. Not revolution. GPRS happened and was available in the same time-frame as US based 21/2G solutions. Next, GSM is migrating to WCDMA (the standard version of the EVDO's we're seeing being deployed around here). But what's the chances of getting every nation of the EU to move, other than minor evolutionary movements with full backward compatibiilty, for some time to come? WCDMA is hardly a minor evolutionary movement. GSM is essentially switching from a 300KHz or so TDMA to a 5MHz CDMA (as I said, it looks very much like the EVDO's you see deployed around here). What's to say it isn't minor? Only that nobody has stepped up to the plate yet with something big? There is no market in Europe for something big, only evolution. That's not good enough for me. Every nation in the EU, and for that part, most every other nation on the planet that adopted GSM will move. They enjoy the benefits of price that only come from the power of volume manufacturing far beyond any non-standard US specific technology. H... I can't find any price benefit. Really, I can't. I've attempted to find the price of airtime and phones in Europe... and all I can find costs more than here. Ahh, but you see chaos and disorder. I see opportunity knocking and excitement. Yes, very exciting indeed. I worked for a US manufacturer that slid from #1 in world sales down to perhaps #3 in handsets (and off the chart in infastructure) in that very market. All the dominant world manufacturers in cellular today are foreign and riding the GSM world standard. We all know the US has completely lost numerous high technology markets forever. We lost computer memories, automobiles, TVs, VCRs, and cellular (among many others). Behind each lost market is a unique story. In the case of
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Ah ha, that explains it: I'm using unlicensed as an experiment to try and generate revenue lol! My wife calls my business a test! ;) On 3/3/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me add that experimental licenses can't be used to generate revenue; it's for testing purposes only. Commercial use is against the law. jack Tom DeReggi wrote: Part-15, Michael Anderson, was selling a quick instruction guide for obtaining 3650 temporary license, last year. You might want to ask him. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:30:38 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote 3650 is complicated. Last month's FCC visit stated that they are getting close, and expect answers by Fall :-( Experimental licenses are available, allthough, would likely result in removing gear in a year. Can you point to any info on getting one? I'm hoping personally, that they rule to keep it 100% unlicensed (actually registered / Non-exclusive Free licensing, being almost the same as unlicensed) , 100% in tact, but get rid of contention based. My personal belief is that the delay of 3650 will have helped small WISPs. The reason is that Licensed 3650 in other countries has allowed Manufacturers to start scaling their production and doingtheir research. At the same time it kept Capitol rich US telecom out of the WISP business, while WISPs could take the time to get stronger and larger. Its possible that if they remove contention based, in a year WISPs would have virgin spectrum with LOW DOLLAR WiMax gear that they can afford by teh time the spectrum is usable. If it's left in, we can use variants of 802.11 gear NOW, and for relatively cheap, as well. Heck, whether it's in or out, it appears to be workable. Frankly, I could use it now. I have no issues with distance and eirp for 2.4 or 5.8 as it stands. I mean, I can find ways of dealing with those limitations. I can't deal with the interference nearly as well. I found both UDC's and antennas that could be built to comply for 3650 NOW, and the idea of some interference free backhauls certainly sounds good. Being required to pull them in a year or two doesn't sound catastrophic to me. But Telecoms would still ahve the uncertainty of Unlicensed, detering its use by large scale telecoms. The word is that WiMax does not work in non-Licensed, but as we know, allthough WiMax will undisputedly perform better in Licensed, it will perform JUST AS GOOD as our current legacy TDD gear (such as Trango and Motorola). However, if they insist on keeping Contention based, I personally do not think a manaufacturer will ever make gear to use the spectrum. It would be nice if 802.16H or equivellent succeeded in stepping up to the table (contention based WiMax), but personally I don;t think it will happen in our Small WISP lifetime (meaning before WISPs sell to RollUps :-). Although WISPA's position was to support Contention BAsed, and it was the right thing to do at the time, I beleive that will ahve to be compromised in order to get use of the spectrum. Just because I think so many manufacturers are fighting it. Its the near license Free model that is essential and can't be compromised. My view on this is because 5.8G equivellent spectrum is what is so scarce, and none of the allocations given to use allowed equivellent power, we need the 3650 power, bad. I read the last R O quite extensively and decided that there's no real great advantage to 3650. You can use 25 W ERP, but only if you use a 25 mhz wide channel. The narrower the channel, the lower the erp limits. Exactly how this plays out Thus, using narrower slices of the spectrum is not encouraged. One other apparently odd deficiency is that there's no ERP distinction between P2P and P2MP. You can use an omni at both ends of a P2P link without penalty, nor is there anything to encourage cleaner P2P use like the ISM 2.4 and 5.8 rules. Personally, I think the FCC is holding out, trying to force manufacturers to innovate and embrace the ideas of contention based. They are waiting for a manufacturer to show them it CAN and WILL be done, if they hold firm on the original rules. But if Manufacturers don;t cooperate and make something that can pass the requirement, teh FCC will effectively be squatting on the spectrum, and will probably give up on their ideals, and get pressure to find a way to make the spectrum usable. But that is just my personal feelings, and in no way a representation or confirmation of what the FCC feels. They are prety much at a no comment stage, lsitening to all the arguements and watching how things evolve. Without rules to go by, I don't see ANYONE putting money into it.
Re: [WISPA] School wants authentication
I think the Mikrotik hotspot would work well for you. The flexibility is nice. You can edit the HTML code. At one location, a hotel, the users click the link that would be normally for demo available, but it says I agree to terms and service The user/pw entries are hidden. The demo is set for 24 hrs, with re-allow login set to 1 second. At another location, I hid the password, and gave the users login names and blank passwords. This simplifies the login process, and the user's names are their last names. One login at a time. In this situation, you can use the standard user/pw in the school. Put in user/pw pairs of student ID number (or SS number) and the last name for the pw. If there are a LOT of students, a radius server would be logical. This gives the students the idea that their activity is logged, and their access is subject to revocation. This allows you to disable accounts for those who abuse the service. If you do this, you can leave the Access points all open with little risk for theft of service. pd John Scrivner wrote: I have a customer who is a high school. They have fiber run to switches in 10 buildings. All of those buildings are connected through one giant private class B via a DHCP server. We serve wireless to 100% of the campus, indoors and out, over this same network with several bridged APs (all certified and not exceeding any power rules - I promise). They would like authentication of users. I tried setting WPA2 with Radius Auth and created a mess. Every time the AP signal would hand off from one AP to another (which happens every couple of minutes or more often) the system would force re-authentication. It is a bit of a mess. Configuration of Windows XP for Radius Auth on WPA2 reminds me of the bad old days of having to tweak Trumpet Winsock or dealing with Windows Dial-up Adapter version 1.0. We had another issue with the APs just constantly forcing re-authentication via Radius. We have opted for WPA2 Passphrase to deliver AES encryption for now. This still leaves us with the authentication issue. They currently have a DHCP server with zero logging of users. People just connect and get an IP. It is a mess. I want to propose a better solution. I would like to see an authentication solution via a hotspot portal or equivalent which would force credentials be delivered by a user before any user has access to anything via wired or wireless network. Does anyone know a good way to do this? I have many ideas but I have never really done this and I would like to hear what others would propose to see if my ideas mesh or not. It is also good to see how others handle this type of situation. I am leaning to a Mikrotik hotspot gateway which I think will do it all. What say the rest of you? Scriv No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/709 - Release Date: 3/3/2007 08:12 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
