[WISPA] Mikrotik RC13 is Out
RouterOS v3 RC13 is out. The torrent is here: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-x86-3.0rc13.torrent I do host about 4 different boxes around the US running Utorrent with no upload limit. Several are off multi-homed connections, as well as one is off three Gigabit connections out of LA. Here is the changelog: hat's new in 3.0rc13: *) fixed problem - clean install on x86 adding new ethernet interfaces on x86 did not work (introduced in 3.0rc12); What's new in 3.0rc12: *) added support for MPLS VPLS; *) added ability to specify disable winbox port under /ip services; *) fixed bug - DFS was not taking into account channel usage when selecting channel; *) fixed bug - simultaneously monitoring wireless interface and changing settings could cause crash; *) improved memory usage under RB133C; *) fixed bug - MAC Winbox connection was not very stable; *) fixed bug in graphing; *) fixed problem - routerboard sometimes did not upgrade reboot if serial cable was not plugged in; *) interface routing now works with PPPoE 'dial-on-demand' interfaces; *) fixed dial-on-demand; *) routing - fixed 'set-in-nexthop' filter (broken in 3.0rc7); *) implemented more registered client flushing on access-list and connect-list changes - now connect-list changes disconnect affected APs, wildcard mac address entry changes disconnect all clients; *) fixed bug - Windows could not synchronize to NTP server if local clock was used as time source (changed stratum from 6 to 4); Dennis M. Burgess, CCNA, MCP, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant Partner/Senior Engineer Link Technologies, Inc. = WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Cause it doesn't work right. Here's an example from yesterday. My new laptop is Vista (the old one has a concrete floor induced broken screen). There is a device somewhere on my network that is answering arp requests incorrectly. No matter what IP addy I put on the Vista machine (or osx for that matter) it shows an IP address conflict and resorts to a 169.x.x.x IP addy. Any OS other than osx or Vista (both MS products these days) works just fine. So I have a brand new laptop that won't work here and I'm gonna have to waste who knows how much time tracing down a device, and spend money replacing it, that is otherwise working just fine. It takes 25 steps vs. 2 to change ip addresses. It's SLLLWWW. It's invasive. Why does it have to detect a connection to the outside world Who does it contact? What does it send/rec.? It's bloated. If I could get a version of Winblows that just worked as an OS and didn't include media players, DVD burners etc. I'd take it in a heart beat. Just like Quicken these days. I'd pay MORE for a program that just balanced my checkbook and gave me some nice reports. I'm sick and tired of everyone trying to force services and other crap down my throat. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I feel sorry for you guys in Virginia and Maryland
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071121/BUSINESS/111210039/1006 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:21:37AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Here's an example from yesterday. My new laptop is Vista (the old one has a concrete floor induced broken screen). There is a device somewhere on my network that is answering arp requests incorrectly. No matter what IP addy I put on the Vista machine (or osx for that matter) it shows an IP address conflict and resorts to a 169.x.x.x IP addy. Any OS other than osx or Vista (both MS products these days) works just fine. So I have a brand new laptop that won't work here and I'm gonna have to waste who knows how much time tracing down a device, and spend money replacing it, that is otherwise working just fine. As much as I dislike Windows, you can't really blame that issue on Windows. You have to blame that one on the bogus hardware which is breaking arp... like Quicken these days. I'd pay MORE for a program that just balanced my checkbook and gave me some nice reports. I'm sick and tired of everyone trying to force services and other crap down my throat. http://moneydance.com/ -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Radio Mobile was just recoded to work with WINE... it didn't for many years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Roger says it works under WINE very well. Mike Hammett wrote: Radio Mobile. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground
That's a load of crap. ;-) Really, though, I had this idea before. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground I don't want anybody to get any ideas but... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7104011.stm -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:21:37AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Here's an example from yesterday. My new laptop is Vista (the old one has a concrete floor induced broken screen). There is a device somewhere on my network that is answering arp requests incorrectly. No matter what IP addy I put on the Vista machine (or osx for that matter) it shows an IP address conflict and resorts to a 169.x.x.x IP addy. Any OS other than osx or Vista (both MS products these days) works just fine. So I have a brand new laptop that won't work here and I'm gonna have to waste who knows how much time tracing down a device, and spend money replacing it, that is otherwise working just fine. As much as I dislike Windows, you can't really blame that issue on Windows. You have to blame that one on the bogus hardware which is breaking arp... I had that issue one time, but I was lucky enough to have a sub with a MAC to help me fix it. Everytime he put his mac online it gave an ip conflict no matter what IP was used. The good thing about the mac was it gave the mac addy of the device that was the conflict. When I plugged my IBM laptop in everything was fine, no ip conflict. Anyway, I looked up the mac addy and went to the customer. Even though it showed the mac addy of the antenna, it was a $5 gigafast switch that was the problem. I dropped it in the trash, installed a 3com and was good to go. So, go borrow a MAC and it will help you fix this. Brian like Quicken these days. I'd pay MORE for a program that just balanced my checkbook and gave me some nice reports. I'm sick and tired of everyone trying to force services and other crap down my throat. http://moneydance.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
60 GHz is worse than 80 GHz because of the oxygen in the air. Of course someone should ensure that they properly engineer their links and use the most appropriate device for that link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Getting the licence (light license) can be done more or less overnight. You pay a one time $1500 national license fee before you can directly order licenses, or you pay someone with a national license to pull it for you cheap. The individual link licenses are super cheap. However, I warn heavilly against using 60-80Ghz wireless, unless its absolutely necessary to ahve 1gb of throughput. People that use 80Ghz will swear behind it, to protect their purchasing decission. When its working, its working well. But there are many negatives to using it compared to say 18G-24Ghz gear. Not only are 80Ghz gear expensive still 2-3 times that of 18G-24Ghz, but it can be more costly to troubleshoot. Its hard to tell when a problem is a bad radio versus a radio that moved, or interference. People incorrectly think that millimenter wave does not have interference. A millimeter wave is highly refelective, and can actually go for many miles. The short distances claims are based mostly on rain fade. Millimeter wave also requires much more links in daisyy chained to gain longer distances, which brings in a higher probabilty of failure than a single radio to go that distance. Most miilimeter wave manufacturers boast their 9 reliabilty one 9 higher than it can actually deliver. Meaning you engineer for 4-9 and you get 3-9. I'm not saying that millimeter wave is not a good thing, I'm jsut saying that 24Ghz-18Ghz can usually offer a better value proposition. Very few people need over 300mbps, easilly doable by 18G-24Ghz. If a customer only needs less than 300 mbps, why not sell them a 300Mhz link that is super reliable, instead of a 1Gb link that they'll never use the potential of and have lots of maintenance issues? Plus what good does it do to have a last mile link (less than a mile) thats faster than the backhaul? Think about it, whats going to happen when you suspect a $30,000 GB radio is bad? Do you think they'll jsut send you a $30,000 radio over night? Are you going to keep a $30,000 spare on the shelf? Or pay a huge maintenance contract fee? 60-80Ghz gear has lots of potential for the future, but most of the manufacturers are still somewhat delusional, on its value, and over charge. I recommend looking into Licensed 11-24Ghz such as Dragonwave, Trango, or Cablefree for better value. We see a big need for 60-80Ghz for last mile links, that are for end user buildings. But for backbone, its still a bit risky. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
*nods* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results 80Ghz does have slightly better oxygen absorbance characteristics, so it can go about 25% farther. The purpose for 80Ghz in my mind is licensed protection. Because its licensed, you can find out who else in town has deployed, to rule out interference. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground
Mike Hammett wrote: That's a load of crap. ;-) Really, though, I had this idea before. Ahh, not so fast... I read an article at least 3 years ago about a guy in Salt Lake City that was already doing this. He had a robot, or a machine with a camera on it that dragged the fibers through the sewer pipes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Why should Windows refuse to accept an IP just because there is a conflict on the network? As long as that machine has a unique address, why should it care about the duplicate? Makes it hard to troubleshoot the network when your troubleshooting machine won't get an address. Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:21:37AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Here's an example from yesterday. My new laptop is Vista (the old one has a concrete floor induced broken screen). There is a device somewhere on my network that is answering arp requests incorrectly. No matter what IP addy I put on the Vista machine (or osx for that matter) it shows an IP address conflict and resorts to a 169.x.x.x IP addy. Any OS other than osx or Vista (both MS products these days) works just fine. So I have a brand new laptop that won't work here and I'm gonna have to waste who knows how much time tracing down a device, and spend money replacing it, that is otherwise working just fine. As much as I dislike Windows, you can't really blame that issue on Windows. You have to blame that one on the bogus hardware which is breaking arp... like Quicken these days. I'd pay MORE for a program that just balanced my checkbook and gave me some nice reports. I'm sick and tired of everyone trying to force services and other crap down my throat. http://moneydance.com/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground
Don't forget google's foray into being an ISP http://www.google.com/tisp/ Ryan On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 09:31 -0800, George Rogato wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: That's a load of crap. ;-) Really, though, I had this idea before. Ahh, not so fast... I read an article at least 3 years ago about a guy in Salt Lake City that was already doing this. He had a robot, or a machine with a camera on it that dragged the fibers through the sewer pipes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground
Yeah, they have sewer inspection camera systems... how much of a stretch is it to just leave the fiber there? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground Mike Hammett wrote: That's a load of crap. ;-) Really, though, I had this idea before. Ahh, not so fast... I read an article at least 3 years ago about a guy in Salt Lake City that was already doing this. He had a robot, or a machine with a camera on it that dragged the fibers through the sewer pipes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground
The now mostluy defunct CLECs have been doing this every since they were allowed to be CLECs. Not the tisp, but the fiber and copper through sewer lines. -- Original Message -- From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:38:19 -0600 Don't forget google's foray into being an ISP http://www.google.com/tisp/ Ryan On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 09:31 -0800, George Rogato wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: That's a load of crap. ;-) Really, though, I had this idea before. Ahh, not so fast... I read an article at least 3 years ago about a guy in Salt Lake City that was already doing this. He had a robot, or a machine with a camera on it that dragged the fibers through the sewer pipes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
I've seen this as well in the past. Best to my recollection is has something to do with the consumer gateway routers. Or it had something to do with someones pc. I can't remember the actual situation, but I seen a bunch of times. One more reason why I like using the router built into the cpe and turn those cheap gateway routers into bridges. Scott Reed wrote: Why should Windows refuse to accept an IP just because there is a conflict on the network? As long as that machine has a unique address, why should it care about the duplicate? Makes it hard to troubleshoot the network when your troubleshooting machine won't get an address. Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:21:37AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Here's an example from yesterday. My new laptop is Vista (the old one has a concrete floor induced broken screen). There is a device somewhere on my network that is answering arp requests incorrectly. No matter what IP addy I put on the Vista machine (or osx for that matter) it shows an IP address conflict and resorts to a 169.x.x.x IP addy. Any OS other than osx or Vista (both MS products these days) works just fine. So I have a brand new laptop that won't work here and I'm gonna have to waste who knows how much time tracing down a device, and spend money replacing it, that is otherwise working just fine. As much as I dislike Windows, you can't really blame that issue on Windows. You have to blame that one on the bogus hardware which is breaking arp... like Quicken these days. I'd pay MORE for a program that just balanced my checkbook and gave me some nice reports. I'm sick and tired of everyone trying to force services and other crap down my throat. http://moneydance.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MSOffice2007
SP1 was introduced today for those who use it Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Vista and XP updates
Vista SP1 releases next Tuesday XP SP3 released today along with MSOffice2007 SP1 Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Your best bet is to get the specific vendors tool from the vendor- they all usually have their own link budget tool. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jake VanDewater Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- ---
[WISPA] Stranded Motorist needs assistance... On the Big Island!
Hello! I have a friend on the Big Island around these coordinates: 20.060708, -155.586394 He is looking for service or at least a report of any service in the area (DSL/Cable etc) This is right near the Keck Observatory Admin offices. Thanks! ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Low-Profile PCI 802.11g
It certainly looks small, but it doesn't mention low profile anywhere. Does it fit in a low profile slot? Does it include a low profile bracket? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low-Profile PCI 802.11g MSI makes a nice one. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] Low-Profile PCI 802.11g Does anyone have a recommendation for an 802.11g device for a low-profile PCI slot? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT......Question
My Windows XP Pro gives the MAC address of a duplicate ip address. It does not just pop up in a bubble on the desk top - - you have to look in the event viewer, but the info is there. Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:21:37AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Here's an example from yesterday. My new laptop is Vista (the old one has a concrete floor induced broken screen). There is a device somewhere on my network that is answering arp requests incorrectly. No matter what IP addy I put on the Vista machine (or osx for that matter) it shows an IP address conflict and resorts to a 169.x.x.x IP addy. Any OS other than osx or Vista (both MS products these days) works just fine. So I have a brand new laptop that won't work here and I'm gonna have to waste who knows how much time tracing down a device, and spend money replacing it, that is otherwise working just fine. As much as I dislike Windows, you can't really blame that issue on Windows. You have to blame that one on the bogus hardware which is breaking arp... I had that issue one time, but I was lucky enough to have a sub with a MAC to help me fix it. Everytime he put his mac online it gave an ip conflict no matter what IP was used. The good thing about the mac was it gave the mac addy of the device that was the conflict. When I plugged my IBM laptop in everything was fine, no ip conflict. Anyway, I looked up the mac addy and went to the customer. Even though it showed the mac addy of the antenna, it was a $5 gigafast switch that was the problem. I dropped it in the trash, installed a 3com and was good to go. So, go borrow a MAC and it will help you fix this. Brian like Quicken these days. I'd pay MORE for a program that just balanced my checkbook and gave me some nice reports. I'm sick and tired of everyone trying to force services and other crap down my throat. http://moneydance.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Internet content liability bill...
It could have been this: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/06/1354232 Ryan On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: My wife mentioned someone on the radio talking about a bill/law passing through congress/senate trying to make ISPs responsible for things like kids getting into porn and what not. She caught the tail end of the conversation so did not get a lot of details. Anybody hear of anything like this? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I feel sorry for you guys in Virginia and Maryland
Yeah competition stinks :-( Its actually not that bad because They leave out all the details like... They won't pull the cable over 50feet from the pole. In the suburbs, front yards are often very large, sometimes a small farm. They cherry pick the prime neighborhoods, and forget the rest. They don't offer it to businesses. Don't give static IPs. Prohibit hosting. Etc, Etc. Its a Network Neutrality issue ready to happen. The way it hurts us most is... A business customer calls for service and you ask them what they are looking for, and they respond no less than 30mbps, then you ask them how much they want to pay, and they say $50/month, and then you tell them $2000, and they hang up the phoen on you calling you a cheat. Then 20 minutes later they call back to appologize, when they learn their alternative was 1mbps for $500. The truth is, situations like FIOS is why I beleive the governement should subsidize Broadband competition. Just like they subsidize Farmers. One day will come when independant ISPs or WISPs will No be able to compete, and then the two monoplies will control the world. The Telecom president will become more powerful than the US president. And they will wish that they had kept the small guys around to keep everyone honest. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] I feel sorry for you guys in Virginia and Maryland http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071121/BUSINESS/111210039/1006 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1085 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 10:35 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
good to know Mac Dearman wrote: My Windows XP Pro gives the MAC address of a duplicate ip address. It does not just pop up in a bubble on the desk top - - you have to look in the event viewer, but the info is there. Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:21:37AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Here's an example from yesterday. My new laptop is Vista (the old one has a concrete floor induced broken screen). There is a device somewhere on my network that is answering arp requests incorrectly. No matter what IP addy I put on the Vista machine (or osx for that matter) it shows an IP address conflict and resorts to a 169.x.x.x IP addy. Any OS other than osx or Vista (both MS products these days) works just fine. So I have a brand new laptop that won't work here and I'm gonna have to waste who knows how much time tracing down a device, and spend money replacing it, that is otherwise working just fine. As much as I dislike Windows, you can't really blame that issue on Windows. You have to blame that one on the bogus hardware which is breaking arp... I had that issue one time, but I was lucky enough to have a sub with a MAC to help me fix it. Everytime he put his mac online it gave an ip conflict no matter what IP was used. The good thing about the mac was it gave the mac addy of the device that was the conflict. When I plugged my IBM laptop in everything was fine, no ip conflict. Anyway, I looked up the mac addy and went to the customer. Even though it showed the mac addy of the antenna, it was a $5 gigafast switch that was the problem. I dropped it in the trash, installed a 3com and was good to go. So, go borrow a MAC and it will help you fix this. Brian like Quicken these days. I'd pay MORE for a program that just balanced my checkbook and gave me some nice reports. I'm sick and tired of everyone trying to force services and other crap down my throat. http://moneydance.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RADAR lockouts
What RADAR is on 5.2 GHz? This would be C band, I think. I'm getting my first DFS lockouts and boy is it frustrating! It is frustrating about the initial scan period and its frustrating when channels lock out and disable. It was frustrating enough to make me temporarily go back to 5.8, which was a pity due to the shortness of the hop (1 mile). I have the radios at 5dBm and still have a -59 at each end! As soon as I can have enough time allocated to run to the other end (very difficult access Govt bldg) in case I screw up, I am going to try with the power all the way down. The one end that looks towards an airport does get about 3 times the hits as the one looking away. RADARs I can think of are: Approach Control (not likely- I know where it is and its far away and on 1.290 GHz) WX RADAR on a plane at the airport WX RADAR at a TV station (most of them have pooled them or gone to a service or located them away from town though) Airport RADAR - this is the one on the tower I think and is for the ground ops and close in stuff. This airport is about 5-6 miles away. The most events (hundreds) are on channels 116 and 124 with a few on the 50ish channels too. Ralph PS- if you want to see what the bad news looks like when delivered, I have some screen shots at: http://brightlan.net/radar.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
