Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Then I guess you do not want to evolve into a public utility. Too bad, as the rest of the WISP industry is becoming defacto public utility. You really need to become familiar with the principle of common carriage. The legal doctrine can be traced clear back to the Roman Empire. Personally I

[WISPA] RedMax Timing Module

2008-07-15 Thread John McDowell
Hey guys, Last Mile Gear, How is the RedMax GPS timing module coming? Is anyone else using GPS for their RedMax deployments? Thanks! -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] RedMax Timing Module

2008-07-15 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Are you setting up sectors in different parts of a town or is this for one site? There are 3 non-overlapping channels you can use, but adding a 4th sector may require timing unless you can get away with the proper channel arrangements and/or polarizations. -Eric John McDowell wrote: Hey

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] RedMax Timing Module

2008-07-15 Thread John McDowell
Omni...9 miles away from 2 sectors. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you setting up sectors in different parts of a town or is this for one site? There are 3 non-overlapping channels you can use, but adding a 4th sector may require timing unless

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] RedMax Timing Module

2008-07-15 Thread Eric Muehleisen
You can sync the two sectors together using a cable then use the other non-overlapping channel on the omni. Obviously, if you add another sector you'll need a timing device. -Eric John McDowell wrote: Omni...9 miles away from 2 sectors. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Eric Muehleisen

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] RedMax Timing Module

2008-07-15 Thread John McDowell
Thats what I thought Eric, we're in need of the cables now. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can sync the two sectors together using a cable then use the other non-overlapping channel on the omni. Obviously, if you add another sector you'll need a

[WISPA] theoretical mesh limits?

2008-07-15 Thread Rogelio
I'm looking to compute the theoretical mesh limit throughput for dual radio layouts. Does this look right? Dual radio, egress at end of chain: 1-2-3-4-5e Sustained throughput (min): 35 mbps / 10 hops to end egress = 3-4 mbps Peak throughput (max): 35 mbps / 5 nodes to end egress =

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread Tom DeReggi
What Ironic about the State rep's comments was If they got the availabilty information from providers, why would it be invaluable, if the intent to use the data was to let providers know where areas are under served? THEY ALREADY HAVE THE DATA YOU COLLECTED IT FROM THEM!!! DUH!!!

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-15 Thread Tom DeReggi
From our experience, we believe it is not possible. However, had a related question... We have found processing power to be a big issue to enable full throughput of APs My understanding is that the 532 is being replaced with the 600 series, that also supports the daughterboard.. (Disclaimer:

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-15 Thread Dennis Burgess
1. 40 meg out of a 532, maybe with no rules, etc. . But thats pushing it! 2. The PowerPC platform is suppose to the be the fastest, with the lower processor in terms of MHZ. However, there are plenty of other options, such as x86 solutions out there that will give you the speed plus the

[WISPA] special certs for power plants mining areas?

2008-07-15 Thread Rogelio
Is anyone aware of any special certification (or equivalent) that is required if you put wi-fi wireless in a power plant or mining area? Someone said that some Cisco reps cautioned them about something special that needed to be attained for power plant areas, and since I've got other mining

Re: [WISPA] special certs for power plants mining areas?

2008-07-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
I do know for you to work on an active mine site you need to go through MISHA training... but Mesa had equipment at a mine site and we did not need any special certs (at least we were never told we needed them). No clue on the power plants... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original

Re: [WISPA] theoretical mesh limits?

2008-07-15 Thread Matt Hardy
When you say dual radio... are you saying two radios devoted to the mesh layer, or one radio devoted to meshing and one devoted to client access? We have found in our tests that when two radios are devoted to meshing the results are a little higher than your results below. One test reports: GW

Re: [WISPA] special certs for power plants mining areas?

2008-07-15 Thread lakeland
Entry into mines are covered under federal regulations and require training prior to entry. All equipment installed in a mine environment must be intrisically safe and certified by a third party lab (similar to Part 15 radios) Equipment bonding is extremely important. Installation within

Re: [WISPA] special certs for power plants mining areas?

2008-07-15 Thread Rogelio
Someone else mentioned explosion proof being a requirement for some mining environments. Anyone know anything about this? And whether or not there are wifi units out there of being a fit? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Entry into mines are covered under federal regulations and require training

Re: [WISPA] special certs for power plants mining areas?

2008-07-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
3dp makes some special version of Moto gear that I know is used in mining operations... expect it to be very pricey though Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:13 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] special certs for power plants mining areas?

2008-07-15 Thread lakeland
Intrinsic rating covers the explosion issue amongs others Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:12:34 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] special certs for power plants mining

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-15 Thread Bo Ring
Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the slowest processor in MHZ? Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it

Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM

2008-07-15 Thread Charles Wu
Even though I think you just made a typo, want to clarify so there's no misinformation 1. You don't need Class B for 18 GHz -- 2' dish is Class A 2. We're talking about 11 GHz - you can do 2.5' dish for Class A though -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
Tom, I agree with all your comments but this one: They should be tracking, anywhere (ZIP CODE), that there is recorded to be an underserved person, the area should be considered underserved. It needs to go beyond the zipcode(I understand the FCC wants this now, and will be heck for all of

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread reader
Why on earth would you want to be a public utility? There are no small businesses in the public utility sector. There are no small business entries into the public utility sector. There is no innovation in the public utility sector. Public utilities are the least competitive and efficient

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread reader
Now I see the motivation. Money. Fast, easy, unearned, grant money from the taxpayers. I am disgusted to my core. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
You are sooo mis informed. There are thousands of small businesses, mom and pop telcos in this nation. Best business in the world. We do FTTH in the most rural areas of the nation. No innovation? You are an ignorant person. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-15 Thread Jim Patient
400MHz on a 600? /system routerboard settings change-frequency frequency=533MHz Maybe this will help? Jim Scottie Arnett wrote: Not sure (I have not used anything but the 532a besides an Intel PC)...I am just quoting what I have heard. But it may be the 600 uses a PowerPC processor? In

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread Jack Unger
delete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I see the motivation. Money. Fast, easy, unearned, grant money from the taxpayers. I am disgusted to my core. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-15 Thread D. Ryan Spott
On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why on earth would you want to be a public utility? Because I serve the public? Because that is how I was able to get my franchise with the gov't for right of way access. There are no small businesses in the public utility sector. I am

Re: [WISPA] special certs for power plants mining areas?

2008-07-15 Thread Jim Patient
I have many years experience in mines, chemical plants, oil refineries, steel mills, and foundry's. If you want to give me a call, I can go over some of this with you but I don't want to clog up the list with a post that should come in hard back. MSHA is much more restrictive than OSHA and