Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on 3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I read on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you register your base stations? What about searching the site for deployed base stations in your area? Thanks, Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field That's a lot easier *SAID* than done... Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures those depending on the type of traffic) --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of interference. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field John, From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same GPS sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be timed together. Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be certified. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65 networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place for this to happen. Hurdles... -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices. -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set. -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing. The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds. Thanks, John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio
I'd like to add that in the USA, its really only good to use a 1watt radio for the CPE side, taking advantage of PtP rules, for long distances. Using the full 30db at the AP is like death, if we remember back to the Metrocom days. Installing full power radios with 6 db omnis spewing noise in all directions, which is rarely needed for any deployment. Its usually better to get the gain from the antenna. Also remember the requirement to reduce AP tx power 1db for every 3 db of antenna gain for the 3 to 1 rule. I'm a little surprised this was released by Valemount, considering Lonnie had always been big on using low power cards. However, where these Higher power cards are good will be for long range PtP radios at high modulation. I have not checked the specs but I'm sure you'll find that the power output is less in high modulation G mode, giving a little more room to add higher gain antennas before dropping the power to much.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1,000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio Um, in the USA the MAX unlicensed radio output is 30 dB. 1 watt. Not two. Do NOT use a 2 watt radio. marlon - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio I'm not sure why the tech sheet on it doesn't mention the true power output, but it is a 2+ watt radio. I was thinking about using a pair for amateur radio applications, where I don't have to stay within the part 15 limits. (but I suppose I'll be able to turn the power down after marveling at the strong signal). Hmmm, it almost seems like a 4 watt radio, Lonnie says it is 36dB here: http://forums.star-os.com/showpost.php?p=58184postcount=2 Oh, if only I lived in the mountains! On July 25, at 8:50 AM July 25, Matt Ferre wrote: But it looks the same. And it is called WLM54G-30dBm so one would assume it's 30dBm radio which is 1000mW? Perhaps the difference is the same as between Mikrotik R52 and Compex WLM54AG? On 7/25/08, George Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, really. That's not the same radio. The only radio at that power level Compex produces now is our version and for us exclusively. Thanks, George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Ferre Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio Really http://shop.defactowireless.com/ s.nl;jsessionid=0a01074d1f43c80823dd5df943ac ac24b0d56d908581.e3eTaxaQbxmTe34Pa38Ta38LbNz0?it=Aid=1568 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim
Arg, with all due respect if you are having trouble with noise, those Prox T1 radios are just going to inflict noise on the others. May I ask what problem you are having with Trango and what model? Are you using their T1 giga? Or just Ethernet radios? You might want to try a smaller channel radio brand first. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim Anyone got any old 2.4 Proxim or Western Mux T1 radios they want to part with. We are in a bit of a pickle due to our not getting trango to work for a couple of T1s last week. Please hit me on or off list. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?
The answer is you should not take others diagnosises. You should make your own. Go out there and prove whether your stuff is causing the interference or not, with the on/off test. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? I had a customer call. She said she had some time so she was going to call before her satellite guy was going to. The customer has been installed for a couple years, but she swears that her 'pixelated' satellite reception on channels 3,5 and 9 are due to my system. The satellite folks replaced the dish, and head, and finally blamed my equipment mount a couple feet to the side of their dish. This customer claims that when pixelation occurs, she can unplug our equipment and the problems 'disappears'. Lets see, 2.4Ghz and what, 6 or 11G for the dish tv. don't see where on the RF front there is a remote possibility of interference. The coax goes around the house, our cat5 goes thru the crawlspace. Anyone ever have these kinds of issues? The customer expects me to re-install equipment on the other side of the house for free? Any suggestions? Can you lock the ethernet on a different rate and see if it makes a difference? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim
SS7 A links are very touchy. All radios I have used that were designed for T1 work much better than using TDM over IP mux gear. Noise is no issue. There isn't another transmitter within 25 miles. I have used PCom, Proxim and Westernmux T1 radios at other places with no problems at all. This was the trango 45 and it would die when putting the second T1 on the mux. Latency got so high that the trunk cards started reporting loss of framing. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim Arg, with all due respect if you are having trouble with noise, those Prox T1 radios are just going to inflict noise on the others. May I ask what problem you are having with Trango and what model? Are you using their T1 giga? Or just Ethernet radios? You might want to try a smaller channel radio brand first. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim Anyone got any old 2.4 Proxim or Western Mux T1 radios they want to part with. We are in a bit of a pickle due to our not getting trango to work for a couple of T1s last week. Please hit me on or off list. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim
Got it. Yeah, If there isn't an issue with crowded spectrum, thoseWmux units really sing well for T1 use. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim SS7 A links are very touchy. All radios I have used that were designed for T1 work much better than using TDM over IP mux gear. Noise is no issue. There isn't another transmitter within 25 miles. I have used PCom, Proxim and Westernmux T1 radios at other places with no problems at all. This was the trango 45 and it would die when putting the second T1 on the mux. Latency got so high that the trunk cards started reporting loss of framing. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim Arg, with all due respect if you are having trouble with noise, those Prox T1 radios are just going to inflict noise on the others. May I ask what problem you are having with Trango and what model? Are you using their T1 giga? Or just Ethernet radios? You might want to try a smaller channel radio brand first. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Proxim Anyone got any old 2.4 Proxim or Western Mux T1 radios they want to part with. We are in a bit of a pickle due to our not getting trango to work for a couple of T1s last week. Please hit me on or off list. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Weird signal levels
We had another electrical storm last night. One of my AP's is acting weird. It is still running but the receive signals are up in the high 80's and low 90's now instead of 60's and 70's. They are also kinda bouncing 20db. I am on this tower at my house and could not connect last night or this morning but now I am at my office and see that my radio at home has connected. I at first thought the lightening deafened my radio but I am kinda thinkin moisture now. Thoughts? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Bow to the east each morning and recite... Oh great Father in Washington, thou knowest all, divinest all, we are unworthy to have thy great protection and wisdom... Or, we could start telling the FCC they're full of it... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels
The radio is blown due to static electricity, at least that's my guess. Replace the AP (or just the radio card depending on what your AP is) and it should be fixed. Travis Microserv Mark McElvy wrote: We had another electrical storm last night. One of my AP's is acting weird. It is still running but the receive signals are up in the high 80's and low 90's now instead of 60's and 70's. They are also kinda bouncing 20db. I am on this tower at my house and could not connect last night or this morning but now I am at my office and see that my radio at home has connected. I at first thought the lightening deafened my radio but I am kinda thinkin moisture now. Thoughts? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels
But why would it be getting better? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels The radio is blown due to static electricity, at least that's my guess. Replace the AP (or just the radio card depending on what your AP is) and it should be fixed. Travis Microserv Mark McElvy wrote: We had another electrical storm last night. One of my AP's is acting weird. It is still running but the receive signals are up in the high 80's and low 90's now instead of 60's and 70's. They are also kinda bouncing 20db. I am on this tower at my house and could not connect last night or this morning but now I am at my office and see that my radio at home has connected. I at first thought the lightening deafened my radio but I am kinda thinkin moisture now. Thoughts? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. I agree. Will this also mean that we will no longer be allowed to block ports like 80 and 25? What about ports 135-139 which actually are blocked to prevent viruses and enhance security many times? What about web proxies? Very disturbing. Next they will ban bandwidth quottas. Just wait. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wow
This will work. The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to horizontal polarization. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] wow And here is what happens when someone doesn't follow the rules... Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wow
Does it also add gain or just change polarity? Travis Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: This will work. The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to horizontal polarization. - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] wow And here is what happens when someone doesn't follow the rules... Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of bandwidth hog applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I don't think there is an issue if you fully disclose to your customer exactly what you are doing. If you tell the customer that you do your very best to kill or impair bittorrent then they have the choice of continuing with your or going somewhere else. Comcast originally got pinched for not telling folks. I hope that full disclosure allows us to content to do as we wish. - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of bandwidth hog applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wow
Just changes polarity. Allows H pol on reflectors. We have only tested it on our own reflectors but I can't think why it wouldn't work on others as pictured. It does move the phase center about a half an inch. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wow Does it also add gain or just change polarity? Travis Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: This will work. The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to horizontal polarization. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] wow And here is what happens when someone doesn't follow the rules... Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
This whole thing makes me wounder... What about when it is spelled out to the user before they sign up? I inform all users that we reserve the right to limit traffic, especially peer to peer traffic. I also tell them that we do not support or recommend VoIP services. They are welcome to try them, but our system was not designed for them and we will not promise if or how well they will work on our residential or light commercial circuits. This is not hidden in a page of fine print. It is spelled out, in person, before the install is done. Every user on my network was informed of this. What will it mean to me? we Forrest W. Christian wrote: I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of "bandwidth hog" applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels
If it is slowly getting better, I'd bet on water. Mark McElvy wrote: But why would it be getting better? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels The radio is blown due to static electricity, at least that's my guess. Replace the AP (or just the radio card depending on what your AP is) and it should be fixed. Travis Microserv Mark McElvy wrote: We had another electrical storm last night. One of my AP's is acting weird. It is still running but the receive signals are up in the high 80's and low 90's now instead of 60's and 70's. They are also kinda bouncing 20db. I am on this tower at my house and could not connect last night or this morning but now I am at my office and see that my radio at home has connected. I at first thought the lightening deafened my radio but I am kinda thinkin moisture now. Thoughts? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wow
I have an 18 mile BH link with two motorola reflectors. I added rotopols to this link and after realignment lost only 1 db. It is possible that further alignment work could remove this loss of db. They work great. Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Just changes polarity. Allows H pol on reflectors. We have only tested it on our own reflectors but I can't think why it wouldn't work on others as pictured. It does move the phase center about a half an inch. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wow Does it also add gain or just change polarity? Travis Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: This will work. The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to horizontal polarization. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] wow And here is what happens when someone doesn't follow the rules... Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels
Getting better??? Water somewhere Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:11:49 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels But why would it be getting better? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels The radio is blown due to static electricity, at least that's my guess. Replace the AP (or just the radio card depending on what your AP is) and it should be fixed. Travis Microserv Mark McElvy wrote: We had another electrical storm last night. One of my AP's is acting weird. It is still running but the receive signals are up in the high 80's and low 90's now instead of 60's and 70's. They are also kinda bouncing 20db. I am on this tower at my house and could not connect last night or this morning but now I am at my office and see that my radio at home has connected. I at first thought the lightening deafened my radio but I am kinda thinkin moisture now. Thoughts? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OLSR mesh with Demarctech
Hi- I'm trying to get familiar with setting up wireless mesh using the Demarctech products. I'm very experienced with Tropos and Cisco outdoor mesh, but the OLSR with its config files and lack of much status info is throwing me for a loop. There must be someone around who has done this and I sure could use a talkin' to! I'm doing a lot of wireless out in a big biker venue/campground in Sturgis South Dakota beginning next week and wanted to try something less costly than Tropos. Anyone out there able to help? Thanks Ralph http://Brightlan.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. Just my 1 pence. Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Blair, I do the same thing. Whenever we do an install we tell them before we do it that we throttle ptp traffic. Wonder how this will play out as we are a all-you-can eat buffet except that we fully disclose ptp trafficking and I am wanting to change to a usage based model. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality This whole thing makes me wounder... What about when it is spelled out to the user before they sign up? I inform all users that we reserve the right to limit traffic, especially peer to peer traffic. I also tell them that we do not support or recommend VoIP services. They are welcome to try them, but our system was not designed for them and we will not promise if or how well they will work on our residential or light commercial circuits. This is not hidden in a page of fine print. It is spelled out, in person, before the install is done. Every user on my network was informed of this. What will it mean to me? we Forrest W. Christian wrote: I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types. I believe the FCC's position is simple: If you are a internet provider, you have to carry all types of traffic indiscriminately. The FCC is *not* going to prevent blockage of ports and other limiting for legitimate network management reasons. Preventing the use of bandwidth hog applications to fix your broken price model and resulting inadequate network is not going to be considered a valid reason for blocking or limiting one service over another. Responding to a virus attack, or preventing spam or similar are valid reasons for performing at least temporary blocking. But if your blocking gets in the way of a legitimate application, you need to be prepared to resolve any issues that come up. All the FCC cares about is that the ISP's don't get to prevent a legitimate application from operating across their network. A good example would be the widespread port 25 blocking which occurs. It doesn't prevent legitimate mail from flowing (it is easy to configure around), but it does prevent spammers from using a network to spew mail out to the world. -forrest Larry Yunker wrote: It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
More on this...Many of us have not already implemented this because of our competition from cable and dsl. Same for me! I think the the FCC has finally provided ALL broadband providers a reason to implemente this(as we can't control traffic) although it will be a major blow to the U.S. broadband penetration. I know I have been waiting for it since 2002. Let the NEW games begin! Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. Just my 1 pence. Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
