Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?
You can't use ULS for earth stations. Earth stations are covered by the international bureau as opposed to the wireless bureau. -Matt On Jul 27, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I've read your blogs and have been keeping up with them. What I can't seem to find is the ULS registrations for the actual earth satellite stations. It seems like most other ULS entires, they have a contact address and a person's name. I did a Geosearch of Orange County, FL (the Sprint Communications Orlando, FL county) using Frequencies 3500 to 5000mhz (All Service Types), and found nothing but a cancelled point to point license for ATT. A quick search of the FCC site for Sprint's filing # (SESRWL2000101902129) finds nothing but the mention in the FCC 3650 FSS list. If I were to call the FCC with that number would they be able to provide me contact information for that company that pertains to the FSS department? I wonder if creating a website that documented all the FSS contact info, combined with map distance, automatic EIRP / bearing calculations (i.e. the stuff the FCC talks about in their 3650 document), would be beneficial to the other WISPs who want to serve the 125 million people who live INSIDE of these zones. It seems silly, like a 5-10W transmitter pointing the opposite direction would even make a difference - you would think the FCC would have integrated distance AND antenna direction when it comes to base station registration... Florida is flat. At 105km, I would need to have at least a 450 foot tower or higher on both ends to even send a signal that far. 45 miles ended up needing over 400ft on both ends. It's not like I want to broadcast 3650 from the top of a 10,000 foot mountain peak. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest to the SW, 146.7km next closest to the South) and I have no desire to point coverage in that direction - mainly north and northwest. But according to the FCC, I'd be dealing with Sprint, and Harris Corporation - these people don't even have phone numbers on their web sites for any departments that would look like they would even know what I was talking about. I have done several blog posts on this subject: http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/satellite-related-brain-dump.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu_05.html Hope that helps. And even if I found a human being, it seems unlikely I'd talk to anyone with the power to make a real decision. Indeed. Is this something best sent from a telecommunications attorney to their FCC attorney of record? Is the consent more like a contract? Would they be able to charge me for consent (like a spectrum lease)? Is this like asking for keys to the space shuttle? Excellent questions. Hopefully someone here can help. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?
So how do we find the contact information on the international bureau's filings? - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? You can't use ULS for earth stations. Earth stations are covered by the international bureau as opposed to the wireless bureau. -Matt On Jul 27, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I've read your blogs and have been keeping up with them. What I can't seem to find is the ULS registrations for the actual earth satellite stations. It seems like most other ULS entires, they have a contact address and a person's name. I did a Geosearch of Orange County, FL (the Sprint Communications Orlando, FL county) using Frequencies 3500 to 5000mhz (All Service Types), and found nothing but a cancelled point to point license for ATT. A quick search of the FCC site for Sprint's filing # (SESRWL2000101902129) finds nothing but the mention in the FCC 3650 FSS list. If I were to call the FCC with that number would they be able to provide me contact information for that company that pertains to the FSS department? I wonder if creating a website that documented all the FSS contact info, combined with map distance, automatic EIRP / bearing calculations (i.e. the stuff the FCC talks about in their 3650 document), would be beneficial to the other WISPs who want to serve the 125 million people who live INSIDE of these zones. It seems silly, like a 5-10W transmitter pointing the opposite direction would even make a difference - you would think the FCC would have integrated distance AND antenna direction when it comes to base station registration... Florida is flat. At 105km, I would need to have at least a 450 foot tower or higher on both ends to even send a signal that far. 45 miles ended up needing over 400ft on both ends. It's not like I want to broadcast 3650 from the top of a 10,000 foot mountain peak. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest to the SW, 146.7km next closest to the South) and I have no desire to point coverage in that direction - mainly north and northwest. But according to the FCC, I'd be dealing with Sprint, and Harris Corporation - these people don't even have phone numbers on their web sites for any departments that would look like they would even know what I was talking about. I have done several blog posts on this subject: http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/satellite-related-brain-dump.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu_05.html Hope that helps. And even if I found a human being, it seems unlikely I'd talk to anyone with the power to make a real decision. Indeed. Is this something best sent from a telecommunications attorney to their FCC attorney of record? Is the consent more like a contract? Would they be able to charge me for consent (like a spectrum lease)? Is this like asking for keys to the space shuttle? Excellent questions. Hopefully someone here can help. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
If the 10 % didn't know what their usage patterns were I probably wouldn't implement this cap. I have a many that download between 3 - 10 GB per day. A couple that upload half that. One sells the blueray discs he burns at the local plant site where he works. He's at 10GB plus daily. Sure the I didn't know will come up and I'll deal with those, but I either unload the customers or make money servicing them. 60% don't go above 5 GB in month and another 20% never hit 10GB. It's the ones that regularly use 25-250 GB that I need to do something about. We put our cap at 50GB for basic charges. That covers all but 5% of my customers today. We will be notifying customers when they hit half their alloted bits in any given month. I don't expect 90% will ever see a notification. I don't necessarily agree with the premise that they don't know what's going on. A few sure. But what percentage of customer have leaky lines and get a big bill from the water company? And, because I see their traffic regularly, I will know who's got an issue and notify them. When was the last time a provider of any kind told you were going beyond your normal usage? Water, electric, cell, anyone? Dave Jonathan Schmidt wrote: With byte cap tiers (the majority of deployment plans outside of the US, by the way) the most likely leak are the youngsters on the home computer network. The solution to leak shock is communication...well before the limit is reached if it is climbing rapidly and at, for example, 75% and 100%. The same thing should hold true with cell phone SMS shock ...my good friend's teenage daughter engages in 3,000 to 4,000 text messages a month. They quickly switched to a plan that could economically support that. The communications on the cell phone was the next monthly bill but ISPs can communicate immediately to their subscribers in the event that a leak shock appears to be imminent. That can head off Larry's correct assertion that the customer will claim that the fault is elsewhere. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?
If I knew a central place to get actual contact information for FSS owners I would share it. The few that I have contacted thus far are all administrative. -Matt On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: So how do we find the contact information on the international bureau's filings? - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? You can't use ULS for earth stations. Earth stations are covered by the international bureau as opposed to the wireless bureau. -Matt On Jul 27, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I've read your blogs and have been keeping up with them. What I can't seem to find is the ULS registrations for the actual earth satellite stations. It seems like most other ULS entires, they have a contact address and a person's name. I did a Geosearch of Orange County, FL (the Sprint Communications Orlando, FL county) using Frequencies 3500 to 5000mhz (All Service Types), and found nothing but a cancelled point to point license for ATT. A quick search of the FCC site for Sprint's filing # (SESRWL2000101902129) finds nothing but the mention in the FCC 3650 FSS list. If I were to call the FCC with that number would they be able to provide me contact information for that company that pertains to the FSS department? I wonder if creating a website that documented all the FSS contact info, combined with map distance, automatic EIRP / bearing calculations (i.e. the stuff the FCC talks about in their 3650 document), would be beneficial to the other WISPs who want to serve the 125 million people who live INSIDE of these zones. It seems silly, like a 5-10W transmitter pointing the opposite direction would even make a difference - you would think the FCC would have integrated distance AND antenna direction when it comes to base station registration... Florida is flat. At 105km, I would need to have at least a 450 foot tower or higher on both ends to even send a signal that far. 45 miles ended up needing over 400ft on both ends. It's not like I want to broadcast 3650 from the top of a 10,000 foot mountain peak. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest to the SW, 146.7km next closest to the South) and I have no desire to point coverage in that direction - mainly north and northwest. But according to the FCC, I'd be dealing with Sprint, and Harris Corporation - these people don't even have phone numbers on their web sites for any departments that would look like they would even know what I was talking about. I have done several blog posts on this subject: http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/satellite-related-brain-dump.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu_05.html Hope that helps. And even if I found a human being, it seems unlikely I'd talk to anyone with the power to make a real decision. Indeed. Is this something best sent from a telecommunications attorney to their FCC attorney of record? Is the consent more like a contract? Would they be able to charge me for consent (like a spectrum lease)? Is this like asking for keys to the space shuttle? Excellent questions. Hopefully someone here can help. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean.
[WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Fwd: [open-hw] Atheros drivers for Linux-based OS]
Might be of interest to the folks on this list with some of the recent threads. :) Original Message Subject:[open-hw] Atheros drivers for Linux-based OS Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:38:56 + (GMT) From: Vickram Crishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Open Hardware discussion mailing-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Open Hardware [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://practical-tech.com/network/atheros-becomes-linux-friendlier/ The report points out that new devices (running 11n) now have an Atheros driver (ath9k) available for Linux OS. Seems the company is quite serious about Linux, as it has hired two senior developers from the MadWifi project. Hope this means MadWifi will continue with beefed up support out of the box - I mean, chipset. Vickram http://communicall.wordpress.com http://vvcrishna.wordpress.com Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project ___ open-hw mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openpattern.org/mailman/listinfo/open-hw WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] fundamental wireless truths
Hello folks, I am nearing launch of my Web site www.sageni.com. One of the features is to provide a page for visitors that lists some of the essential technical truths of the business. While actually subjective in nature, the assertions should be generally accepted among WISPs. For example, some of the most basic might be: range is a function of power, sensitivity..., the lower the frequency the better the penetration..., never establish a multipoint link with less than at least 10dB fade margin. If you'd like to send my your truisms, I will list them on my site with a proper name (and company if you wish) attribute. Please send me your truths offlist to keep. -- Patrick Leary Sageni Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 813.426.4230 skype: pleary Uncommon Intelligence Insight for a Wireless WorldTM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Sounds like it to me but taxation without representation has been accepted for years. Any progressive tax system (like the US) with different rates for different incomes is taxation without representation. Governments can do whatever they want unless there's a sufficient number of objectors to revolt. Paul C Diem [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?
This site has the basic locations and shows their radius coverage. http://zing.naviciti.com/ You can also contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the contact info on any of those sites. David On 7/28/08 10:21 AM, Doug Radcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how do we find the contact information on the international bureau's filings? - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? You can't use ULS for earth stations. Earth stations are covered by the international bureau as opposed to the wireless bureau. -Matt On Jul 27, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I've read your blogs and have been keeping up with them. What I can't seem to find is the ULS registrations for the actual earth satellite stations. It seems like most other ULS entires, they have a contact address and a person's name. I did a Geosearch of Orange County, FL (the Sprint Communications Orlando, FL county) using Frequencies 3500 to 5000mhz (All Service Types), and found nothing but a cancelled point to point license for ATT. A quick search of the FCC site for Sprint's filing # (SESRWL2000101902129) finds nothing but the mention in the FCC 3650 FSS list. If I were to call the FCC with that number would they be able to provide me contact information for that company that pertains to the FSS department? I wonder if creating a website that documented all the FSS contact info, combined with map distance, automatic EIRP / bearing calculations (i.e. the stuff the FCC talks about in their 3650 document), would be beneficial to the other WISPs who want to serve the 125 million people who live INSIDE of these zones. It seems silly, like a 5-10W transmitter pointing the opposite direction would even make a difference - you would think the FCC would have integrated distance AND antenna direction when it comes to base station registration... Florida is flat. At 105km, I would need to have at least a 450 foot tower or higher on both ends to even send a signal that far. 45 miles ended up needing over 400ft on both ends. It's not like I want to broadcast 3650 from the top of a 10,000 foot mountain peak. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest to the SW, 146.7km next closest to the South) and I have no desire to point coverage in that direction - mainly north and northwest. But according to the FCC, I'd be dealing with Sprint, and Harris Corporation - these people don't even have phone numbers on their web sites for any departments that would look like they would even know what I was talking about. I have done several blog posts on this subject: http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/satellite-related-brain-dump.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-californi a.html http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu.ht ml http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/3650mhz-southern-california-malibu_05 .html Hope that helps. And even if I found a human being, it seems unlikely I'd talk to anyone with the power to make a real decision. Indeed. Is this something best sent from a telecommunications attorney to their FCC attorney of record? Is the consent more like a contract? Would they be able to charge me for consent (like a spectrum lease)? Is this like asking for keys to the space shuttle? Excellent questions. Hopefully someone here can help. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
On top of that, the building probably has a higher tax rate due to it not being a residence therefore not qualifying for housing credits. Needless to say that is the fact most places if not many of us would be able to cast votes in many locations. As a business owner your only chance of being heard is direct connection with those in the tax base decision. City council or County council have meetings and you'll need to get on the docket. If you can get that done you will have a greater input into the process over a single vote. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Steve Barnes wrote: On top of that, the building probably has a higher tax rate due to it not being a residence therefore not qualifying for housing credits. Needless to say that is the fact most places if not many of us would be able to cast votes in many locations. As a business owner your only chance of being heard is direct connection with those in the tax base decision. City council or County council have meetings and you'll need to get on the docket. If you can get that done you will have a greater input into the process over a single vote. I have to agree with this. In my little town the city admin and council were going to pass a new rain tax by creating a stormwater management utility. (yes, managing rainwater and run-off). The business and commercial land owners were going to take it in the shorts in a big way so they got together, hired a lawyer and threatened to sue the City for this BS. The city listened, and while the stormwater utility is going to be created, it is a heck of lot less smaller and less costly than it would have been had the business owners not stepped up. The other thing that works is to take a council person to lunch (you go dutch) and talk to him/her about what your business does for the community and why these tax proposals are making you look elsewhere for further development. ryan Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?
David Peterson wrote: This site has the basic locations and shows their radius coverage. http://zing.naviciti.com/ You can also contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the contact info on any of those sites. If they have the info, why don't they put it on the map? Isn't that kind of the point of the mash up? :) I was quite frustrated with the lack of information on that map (I found it some time ago). I have also put up a mash up of the stations in SoCal. http://tinyurl.com/5hjky4 What info I have (in my blog posts) is linked to from the map. If anyone has info on ground stations (both for ones I have and ones I don't) I'll happily expand my mash up, and link back to the page with info (and I'll host the info page if you like as well). David -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Similarly, how do I represent myself on the death/inheritance tax situation when that tax affects me? On 7/28/08 9:43 AM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
I ran into something vaguely similar in frustration level in two nearby towns. Both of them start with declaring that the city has sufficient competitive communications infrastructure and that the purpose of the regulations are to prevent further unsightly development. It defines anything with an antenna on it as a tower and limits all antenna heights to under 30 feet from the ground. Further, it prohibits all commercial communications equipment from being placed anywhere except attached to a commercially zoned building. Further, it defines all data paths, be it wireless, wired, above, or below ground, to be the property of the city, and you will pay a tax for the use of them, if you are a commercial enterprise. They actually intended to prevent CPE antennas, but I explained that OTARD would supercede them. Basically, if you want ot put an access point anywhere in the city, where people connect to it for pay, you must get a permit, and that permit is subject to an engineering review, obtained by the city at your expense, and that permits are subject to a city council meeting, where any objection from anyone will be cause to turn you down.Further, you're expected to pay a fee per block for use of the city's data paths. I attended the city council meeting before they voted on this and explained to them that this is just squashing business. Anyway, they passed it despite objection because there was a small group of citizens who saw this as the key to preventing cellular towers from being built within the city limits. So, rather than building the towers in town, they built the towers just outside the edge of town, right on the view horizons! The towers built at the edge of town are far more unsightly than what was to be built in town. I have been requested repeatedly to move into both towns and deploy within the city limits, as there's no competitive wireless service in town, but it would be pointless. Each has one employee of a competitor and they need merely say I object and nothing I can do will ever permit me to build... not to mention, the fees required just to get to point where I can request and be turned down are around $2000 to the city. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
I stopped tracking individual use... But my average has remained the same since after my first year... 7 gigs per customer. Summer use is a little more, winter is less.I do keep track of the number of gigs. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: David Hulsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality If the 10 % didn't know what their usage patterns were I probably wouldn't implement this cap. I have a many that download between 3 - 10 GB per day. A couple that upload half that. One sells the blueray discs he burns at the local plant site where he works. He's at 10GB plus daily. Sure the I didn't know will come up and I'll deal with those, but I either unload the customers or make money servicing them. 60% don't go above 5 GB in month and another 20% never hit 10GB. It's the ones that regularly use 25-250 GB that I need to do something about. We put our cap at 50GB for basic charges. That covers all but 5% of my customers today. We will be notifying customers when they hit half their alloted bits in any given month. I don't expect 90% will ever see a notification. I don't necessarily agree with the premise that they don't know what's going on. A few sure. But what percentage of customer have leaky lines and get a big bill from the water company? And, because I see their traffic regularly, I will know who's got an issue and notify them. When was the last time a provider of any kind told you were going beyond your normal usage? Water, electric, cell, anyone? Dave Jonathan Schmidt wrote: With byte cap tiers (the majority of deployment plans outside of the US, by the way) the most likely leak are the youngsters on the home computer network. The solution to leak shock is communication...well before the limit is reached if it is climbing rapidly and at, for example, 75% and 100%. The same thing should hold true with cell phone SMS shock ...my good friend's teenage daughter engages in 3,000 to 4,000 text messages a month. They quickly switched to a plan that could economically support that. The communications on the cell phone was the next monthly bill but ISPs can communicate immediately to their subscribers in the event that a leak shock appears to be imminent. That can head off Larry's correct assertion that the customer will claim that the fault is elsewhere. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM
[WISPA] real time noise floor values
I see that Netstumber gives a constant -100 for the noise floor (which I'm assuming is some arbitrary default). Anyone have any free tools (Windows/Linux/OSX) that gives instantaneous values? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] real time noise floor values
Rogelio wrote: I see that Netstumber gives a constant -100 for the noise floor (which I'm assuming is some arbitrary default). Probably. Anyone have any free tools (Windows/Linux/OSX) that gives instantaneous values? I like to use wavemon on Linux for my coverage survey needs. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] real time noise floor values
Charles Wyble wrote: I like to use wavemon on Linux for my coverage survey needs. I've got that installed on my Ubuntu machine, but haven't tested it yet to see if it gives me instantaneous values. One of the guys from my LUG (socallinux.org) also recommended it to me. I will check it out and post back to the list my findings. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] real time noise floor values
Rogelio wrote: Charles Wyble wrote: I like to use wavemon on Linux for my coverage survey needs. I've got that installed on my Ubuntu machine, but haven't tested it yet to see if it gives me instantaneous values. It does. :) Kind of cool actually. One of the guys from my LUG (socallinux.org) also recommended it to me. I will check it out and post back to the list my findings. Yes please do. I have only used it for simple site surveys, nothing fancy. Would love to do a GPS/wavemon mashup of some sort. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?
I think it was just a matter of getting around to it. I am ccing him if you would like to collaborate with him on getting the info to the community. David On 7/28/08 12:01 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Peterson wrote: This site has the basic locations and shows their radius coverage. http://zing.naviciti.com/ You can also contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the contact info on any of those sites. If they have the info, why don't they put it on the map? Isn't that kind of the point of the mash up? :) I was quite frustrated with the lack of information on that map (I found it some time ago). I have also put up a mash up of the stations in SoCal. http://tinyurl.com/5hjky4 What info I have (in my blog posts) is linked to from the map. If anyone has info on ground stations (both for ones I have and ones I don't) I'll happily expand my mash up, and link back to the page with info (and I'll host the info page if you like as well). David WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - please vote
WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Interesting Link...
http://gigaom.com/2008/07/28/the-brookings-plan-for-rural-broadband/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote
Meaning we have to register for the hotel too or meaning you're working with a hotel for lower rates? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote
meaning in order to keep the registration rates as cheap / low as possible, I need people to stay at the host hotel / venue so, the Marriot as a facility is 10x better and much more professional than the Holiday Inn (which isn't a bad place, but the Marriot is REALLY nice). It's a 4-star facility with all sorts of wonderful amenities...However, WISPs are cheap, so the fundamental question is whether people are willing to pay $139 / night for a hotel room, or if presented with that option, will stay across the street at the Holiday Inn for $99 / month -- if I don't fill the room block, I'm on the hook potentially for another $5,000 - $10,000 for venue rental / extra fees -- so I need to make up the deficit somehow by getting people to stay at the hotel, or by going to a cheaper hotel. That said, the other option would be to run things like a normal conference and make up the difference by charging $395 - $595 for admission...but I'd like to keep admission as low as possible -Charles From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote Meaning we have to register for the hotel too or meaning you're working with a hotel for lower rates? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] remove
Please remove me from this list. Thanks marlon - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Interesting Link...
This is the most important part of the article. Sure, almost 20 percent of those who use dial-up apparently wouldn't choose broadband even if it was offered Sure, almost 20 percent of those who use dial-up apparently wouldn't choose broadband even if it was offered I'd say that that's probably a conservative estimate. marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Interesting Link... http://gigaom.com/2008/07/28/the-brookings-plan-for-rural-broadband/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] oops
Ug, not THIS list. Sorry marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] remove Please remove me from this list. Thanks marlon - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] oops
I have sent a message to Charles asking for him to contact the board about future advertising of this show and expect he will do so. He is a Vendor Member of WISPA and can advertise legitimately but simply did not follow the standard procedure this time. Scriv On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ug, not THIS list. Sorry marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] remove Please remove me from this list. Thanks marlon - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
