[WISPA] TV whitespaces
I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts. Not the 20 watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw. Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw. That should help with the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat. I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so. The Report and Order is 130 pages long! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
Link? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts. Not the 20 watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw. Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw. That should help with the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat. I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so. The Report and Order is 130 pages long! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
I'm about 30 pages in or so... and realized I should be taking notes... I hope to finish it in the next few days too. But I agree... 4 watts EIRP... 1 watt out of the radio. Fixed devices cannot use adjacent channels... but portable can at reduced EIRP (which I can't recall what that was). Automatic power control is mandated in fixed devices... I wonder how much that is going to bring up the cost of the CPE (but should help with interference issues) So far it looks like a win for the WISP industry... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts. Not the 20 watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw. Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw. That should help with the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat. I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so. The Report and Order is 130 pages long! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?
I would buy one today if I could. But if everyone bought these, where would we get those power lines for BPL? :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
www.fcc.gov Gino Villarini wrote: Link? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts. Not the 20 watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw. Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw. That should help with the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat. I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so. The Report and Order is 130 pages long! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?
Just to clear things up: The EPA has not yet accepted these, but the type of device is not susceptible to melting down, blowing up, or anything else like that. The module you are seeing is just the reactor, and it is JUST a heat generator to make steam. You need a building to house the steam turbine required to make electricity, otherwise it's nothing other than a steam geyser :) So, you need a turbine, which is a smallish gymnasium sized building, some cooling modules, which will be the size of a semi-truck each. It should run between 7 and 10 years between refueling, and the fuel is not sufficiently potent to be military grade and can't easily be made into military grade.The fuel is sufficiently low-grade that refueling is considered easy and the waste can be reprocesssed back into fuel. 5 year's waste is the size of a baseball. The cooling modules could be done without if you have, say, sea water or some other source of cooling. You need to condense the steam from the turbine to re-use the water. The reactor has no moving parts, and if it were dug up and exposed to air, it would simply cool off some - not burn, catch fire, or anything similar. Once you put it in the ground and put the fuel in it, it's too hot (temperature) to handle it. It could not be dug up and hauled away by someone wanting to steal it - at least not the fuel. The steam turbines are very conventional, and can be operated and serviced by conventional means. The reactor is self-limited by heat. That is, if you turn off the water, it doesn't overheat, it just slows to a stop until you cool it down by throwing water at it. The EPA has not had anything submitted to it, yet, for type acceptance. However, I've read that several of this kind of reactor are in existence and have been operated for research purposes for some time now and they are pretty much idiot-proof. The worst you can do is blow a steam pipe and leak hot steam into the building. The company is highly confident that govermental approval by the various agencies can be easily gotten once it has fully applied. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need a power supply? http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
Yep. I'm still reading too but so far it looks like we got 90% of what we asked for. My reading continues... 3-dB Networks wrote: I'm about 30 pages in or so... and realized I should be taking notes... I hope to finish it in the next few days too. But I agree... 4 watts EIRP... 1 watt out of the radio. Fixed devices cannot use adjacent channels... but portable can at reduced EIRP (which I can't recall what that was). Automatic power control is mandated in fixed devices... I wonder how much that is going to bring up the cost of the CPE (but should help with interference issues) So far it looks like a win for the WISP industry... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts. Not the 20 watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw. Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw. That should help with the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat. I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so. The Report and Order is 130 pages long! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?
Give the maintenance guys Flash drives? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply? I would buy one today if I could. But if everyone bought these, where would we get those power lines for BPL? :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL
Yep, at the expense of the many for the benefit of the few, IMHO. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:32:10 -0500 Basically, except for a few viable installations still running, BPL was killed in it's infancy. Too bad. -RickG On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Jonathan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct, electric companies saw huge benefits for internal use but the real reason it did not move forward was because electric companies are conservative by nature and they didnt like the heat coming from the ARRL over interference issues, which btw were not real. The interference is real. The ARRL is real and very conservative. And, any conductor carrying RF that isn't a proper, geometrically arranged transmission line, properly terminated in the proper impedance, will radiate and radiate most of its RF energy. Where do you think that goes? And, where do stubs dissipate their RF?...into the 4th dimension? Were it not for careful oversight of the spectrum, we would be back in the stone ages with AM and FM and TV because of interference. Police and fire radios would be hit and miss. Our licensed and unlicensed spectrum would be a mess. Blasting the HF spectrum into random lengths of conductors and stubs at watts of power has proved to be nasty. It isn't just the ARRL...the courts have decided that. It isn't just RF on the power lines, either. You can hear DSL interference in neighborhoods with overhead telephone wiring on poles when you try to listen to local AM stations at night when they are forced to drop their power. The political influence of the Telcos to force through their agenda may be followed by that of the electric companies but it won't be to our advantage. They have the right of way, the poles, and the money. Stringing a fiber along the poles along with the wiring would seem to be a far better and long term strategy than to pretend that wires are wires and that 60Hz is the same as 600,000Hz and the ground return and distribution are compatible architectures. The entire concept is pseudo-science, appealing to those who are easily fooled into thinking wishes become true because it sorta makes sense. Jonathan Schmidt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Who cares what Sprint, Verizon, ATT, etc. are doing in the wireless world when we have unlicensed frequencies at an acceptable power and lower in frequency? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Everyone remember that I sent out a Google Earth file of what should be most of the digital TV footprint in America after February. That is subject to change of course but it's close. You would use that tool to find available channels in your area. It works great because you can turn on the channel above and below your channel of interest (the adjacent channels). If when you turn on all three channels there are no contours in the market of interest, you have available spectrum! Open the file in Google Earth, turn off the whole layer, expand the folder and turn them on one by one. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Who cares what Sprint, Verizon, ATT, etc. are doing in the wireless world when we have unlicensed frequencies at an acceptable power and lower in frequency? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
Daniel, Comments inline... But I agree... 4 watts EIRP... 1 watt out of the radio. Which is enough, for many Fixed applications. Fixed devices cannot use adjacent channels... but portable can at reduced EIRP (which I can't recall what that was). Which is just about what WISPA asked for and agreed to in its proposals. Unlicensed use of Adjacenet channels was limited to 40 watts. However, I'll argue that WISPA was agreeing to that, because we were also asking for 20watts. Non-adjacenet channel use will be fine for 80% of America, but it does leave Eastcoast/Urban surrounding suburbs WISPs out without much spectrum. This is a huge victory for Rural America, to have spectrum quickly. But we also need to remember the URban WISPs that took a back seat for the good of all, and thank them by our contribution to Phase Two of the Whitespace debates. The FCC is allowing additional comments to discuss the use of Sensing as the technology improves and proven worthy, as well as additional comments on higher power for fixed and such. We need to try and include in these talks the use of Adjacent bands for Fixed Operations in the east coast, IF they can adhere to the same strict requirement to prevent interference. Fixed PtMP applications may be able to be engineered for non-interference, and should not be restrcited from doing so on Non-adjacenet channels when there is a geo-loaction-database, and requirement for hardware to announce its location or owners, atleast not at mid-range power (say 1 watt EIRP), so providers can developsolutions to interact with personal portable/mobile devices. Automatic power control is mandated in fixed devices... I wonder how much that is going to bring up the cost of the CPE (but should help with interference issues) So far it looks like a win for the WISP industry... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts. Not the 20 watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw. Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw. That should help with the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat. I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so. The Report and Order is 130 pages long! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 8:48 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Adopted Rules For Unlicensed Use of Television White
IN THE MATTER OF UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS, ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND. FCC Adopted Rules For Unlicensed Use of Television White Spaces. (Dkt No. 02-380, 04-186). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 11/04/2008 by RO. (FCC No. 08-260). OET http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A2.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A3.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A4.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A5.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A6.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A2.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A3.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A4.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A5.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A6.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A1.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A2.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A3.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A4.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A5.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A6.txt Rick Harnish General Manager - Midwest Region Great American Broadband 260-827-2482 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Navini
Anyone out there still have an older navini system in place? If so, I need some assistance if someone has a minute or two. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Navini
Thanks Bill. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Navini Anyone out there still have an older navini system in place? If so, I need some assistance if someone has a minute or two. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Motorola is likely to be first out of the chute. But none of them were putting the final touches on anything until the rules were published. Now they have to finish their products, do type approvals, do beta tests, then perhaps we will see some new tools to use. I'll bet it will be 6 months or a year before anybody is shipping any quantity of anything. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Navini
??? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Navini Thanks Bill. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Navini Anyone out there still have an older navini system in place? If so, I need some assistance if someone has a minute or two. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect? Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current players? Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
Ligowave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008 Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect? Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current players? Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
Jason, Thanks for that. According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US operation. I do like the price point. I like it very much. Jason Hensley wrote: Ligowave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008 Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect? Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current players? Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
My guess is 12 months before anything is shipping. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown wrote: Motorola is likely to be first out of the chute. But none of them were putting the final touches on anything until the rules were published. Now they have to finish their products, do type approvals, do beta tests, then perhaps we will see some new tools to use. I'll bet it will be 6 months or a year before anybody is shipping any quantity of anything. - Original Message - From: "Charles Wyble" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Ultimately, I imagine anyone that has a product we use now will be there. First? Ubiquiti, no doubt. They are very fast at developing products and already have a product for the 700 MHz band with really no users, although 700 MHz is a different animal than 50 - 690. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
With all the specs to comply Its going to be a difficult one... Not as easy as downshifting a 802.11a radio Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Ultimately, I imagine anyone that has a product we use now will be there. First? Ubiquiti, no doubt. They are very fast at developing products and already have a product for the 700 MHz band with really no users, although 700 MHz is a different animal than 50 - 690. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
How do you get that from that link? They just recently received FCC approval in the band, so I'm sure they're legal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008 Jason, Thanks for that. According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US operation. I do like the price point. I like it very much. Jason Hensley wrote: Ligowave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008 Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect? Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current players? Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
Jason Hensley wrote: How do you get that from that link? They just recently received FCC approval in the band, so I'm sure they're legal. They just updated that link. I got an e-mail back from sales apologizing for overlooking the update. :) Thank you for the reference. I will be talking with them and hopefully purchasing some radios soon. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
According to their product specification sheet they have FCC/CE certification and a US operating range of 3.650 - 3.675 GHz Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Charles Wyble wrote: Jason, Thanks for that. According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US operation. I do like the price point. I like it very much. Jason Hensley wrote: Ligowave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008 Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect? Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current players? Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
Thanks for catching that...it must not have been updated when the grant was received. The PTP3 is in fact certified for US operation. Internationally, it can operate from 3.3GHz to 3.7GHz. -Harold On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 12:53 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote: Jason, Thanks for that. According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US operation. I do like the price point. I like it very much. Jason Hensley wrote: Ligowave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008 Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect? Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current players? Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Ubquity? Some kind of mini-pci card? Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL
I agree Tom. But, as with all technolgies, they mature and improve. I think the biggest advantage of BPL is that the transport (grid) is already there. Plug play! BTW: In every meeting I ever went to, when the electric companies chose the vendor, it was usually Main-net and/or Amperion. Why? Because they didnt jumper around the transformer. Jumping from MV to LV is a huge safety concern for them. -RickG On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BPL works... But sure it doesn;t work to its expectations. Sure you have to repeat it, bypassing transformers and such, maybe as you say every 1000feet or what ever. Part of the Cirrent technology's solution was to make the devices to easily jump over (bypass) the transformers and such. However the relevent question is not whether it works, its whether its cost effective to deploy, and whether it can scale to the level to justify the cost. I beleive the answer is no. The concept of Powerline, is that the Wire is already there, and the provider saves money and time, by not having to deploy a New Wire, or any complicated fiber termiantion devices. This concept is flawed, in most cases. The reason is... Fiber is no longer a mystery to most, and fiber labor and fiber cable is no longer the huge cost it used to be. In many cases, its less expensive to buy and deploy the fiber, than it is to pay the line man labor to install the jumpers to bypass transformers. So why limit to the boddle necks of MV/HV Power line? Thats why I said that Powerline is best as a solution coupled with other solutions. Using the Powerline component ONLY where there are specific cases that make it more affordable for that specific case or location. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL What brands did you test? Mainnet's worked as promised for us. No, it was not 500Mbps but 20+ is very cool. -RickG On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read your post, I was also involved in the testing. They didn't hit their throughput nor did they achieve any of the interference mask parameters. We tried several versions of this. If you want 512kbps you can do it. But Michael Powell was promising 500 mbps magically flowing through all the power lines and lighting up a whole city. You are not going to get bi directional 500 mbps on high voltage power lines (as promised by some) without causing unacceptable interference and regenerating the signal every 1000 feet. Secondary... as in low voltage... as in 240 volt single phase from transformer to the house does work. Like I said homeplug is a very viable technology. What some people call BPL is secondary BPL. HV BPL is not going to be a viable backhaul technology for a variety of reasons. Yes, secondary BPL barely works with arguably acceptable (by some). Show me a HV system that works as advertised. - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL Chuck, It's as though you didnt read my post! BPL works - with acceptable interference - I saw it with my own eyes along with dozens of skeptical ham operators. Theory does not matter, those issues are conquered. Seeing is believing. -RickG On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One huge reason, powerlines are not constant impedance to RF. Nor are they balanced. This is like trying to pump natural gas down the water lines. Pipe, right? What's the problem? It is never going to ever work as well as balanced transmission lines, let alone coax or fiber. And it is going to leak so much that the American Red Cross in Afghanistan will be able to detect the static on their HF rigs. This has been proven time and time again. You can get BPL to work over a short range (like a mile) if it is running on a three phase line and the line is very balanced. Once it hits a cap bank, regulator, transposition, transformer or anything, you have to terminate the signal and figure a way to bypass the obstruction. Once you put it on a single phase line you might as well go back to the old G-Line concept (another oddity that ultimately failed). Really BPL is nothing more than G-Line. As long as you don't care about vomiting all over the RF spectrum you can do whatever you want. I actually do listen to AM radio. I want to listen to short-wave and ham if I decide to do so. A half baked idea like HV bpl has no place in ruining valuable spectrum that is absolutely necessary in the event of an emergency. - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
We have been fighting it. Towerstream seems to have somehow created a perception that they are justified in this desire to set aside TVWS spectrum for this inefficient use. We have been fighting it and we will continue to do so. Scriv On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15 Panel to a 20 panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come. I appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee. We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas now. Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave reviews. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
At these freqs, I'd suspect that yagi's will be the best choice for cpe's. Steve Barnes wrote: Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15" Panel to a 20" panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come. I appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee. We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas now. Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave reviews. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
I don't recall the exact length but we have an enormous fiberglass 450 mhz omni on our tower. At least 12 ft and it withstood the hurricane of Ohio with 60 mph winds a few months back. On 11/17/08, Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15 Panel to a 20 panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come. I appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee. We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas now. Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave reviews. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? To be clear, TVWS is different than 700 MHz. The 700 MHz band sold at auction. TVWS is lower in frequency which will mean even larger antennas for equivalent gain. The physics of it all do not change. The size will be what it is for the gain you want. It is easy to envision we will see 1 watt radios with 6 db antennas which related to 4 watts EIRP. Even at the lower frequencies the 6 db antenna will be a manageable size. I am guessing the best systems will have lower radio power and higher antenna gain in order to increase receive sensitivity (with very large antennas). These are just my thoughts though. I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15 Panel to a 20 panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Once again, the physics determine the size antenna required for a given gain. At the lower TV frequencies the ability to produce higher power radios at lower cost should offset likely reduced antenna gains. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
I've got territory ranging from a town of 35K to open wheat fields to rolling to tall mountains heavily forested. I can find no particular need for, and in fact, find that low frequency backhauls are at least sometimes self-defeating, due to huge Fresnel zones, for instance. What I need, in particular, is smallish cells that are good for 1-4 miles and go through lots of trees and don't need to be mounted high above the ground. I also need the same 1-2 mile wide cells that can go through urban, heavily tree'd areas, where I can't have tall masts or CPE antennas.What I need for backhauls is stuff that's good for 10 to 30 miles w/20 to 30 mbit throughput capability. And, I need at least 8, prefer 10 to 15 mbit total capacity per AP, though I expect only 3-15 clients per AP.I need QOS which gives me good VOIP call quality and the ability to control bandwidth at the CPE end. And I need to be able to install this with cpe cost under 300 dollars. And AP cost less than 500. I've been using Ubiquiti 900 stuff for some of this, but it has serious limitations at 900 mhz. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
