Re: [WISPA] Blocking chat/IM
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 15:59 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Since my core, back haul and AP's are MiktoTik, please tell me more! How about a blog tutorial? :-) http://blog.butchevans.com/ If you need clarification, by all means drop me an email or leave a comment. I'll be happy to answer if there is time. If not, then I'll let ya know if/when we need to talk about billing. Fair enough? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they are manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same freq, there are hooks into all of the CPEs so that they are not cross-compatible. This might need clarification, but I was sure that this was the case in speaking with their guys. In other words, the Tranzeo / Redline CPEs work only with Redline, the Tranzeo / Vecima CPEs work only with Vecima. The Tranzeo CPEs direct from Tranzeo will not work with either .. This was done so that end-users don't shop around to piece together the system. I might be wrong, but I remember when I heard this described I did the whole dog tilting it's head sideways thing ... -drew On 12/13/08 5:32 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: it uses 802.03af PS ... My point was that you could use the low cost Vecima Bases with these CPEs ... or stick with el cheapo tranzeo units Would you pay extra $50 for a quality cpe? I'll do Definetly Tranzeo does not manufacture this unit Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: iirc one vendor told me the recline CPe could talk with the Vecima base The redline units are top notch quality construction, no tranzeo mickey mouse stuff. Afaik pricing is not much diferent Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, We received our Vecima trial kit (one AP and five CPE) on Thursday afternoon. We have not yet put it on a tower, as there were several issues with their software on the AP... but here's some info thus far: The base station is quite large. It measures approximately 14 inches tall x 8 inches wide x 6 inches thick. It weighs about 25 pounds (seriously). It has an RJ-45 ethernet connector and an N-male connector on the bottom. (I was lead to believe they had omni, 90 degree, 120 degree and connectorized versions, and I requested the 120 unit, but instead got this with an LMR jumper and an MTI 120 antenna). We began by getting into the AP and making some normal changes (downlink was set to 50%, so we changed it to 70%). Also the center frequency was set to 3.410 so we changed that to 3.650. We also changed to 7mhz channel size. We then applied and rebooted... and then we could no longer get into the radio configuration page (where we had just made all those changes). So we did a factory reset and tried again. Same thing. We opened a trouble ticket with Vecima the next morning, and they were able to reproduce the problem in their lab. Then about 3 hours later, another tech called back and told us we needed to upgrade the firmware (even though the first tech said we were running the latest). We upgraded and that fixed the problem... but then we had a new problem. The Allowed MAC address file somehow got corrupted... so they had to SSH into the base station and fix that file. (By the way, this AP is just running Linux 2.6.14 kernel). We were now able to make a connection to one of the CPE (after setting up the service classifiers, service flows, and adding a service flow to this MAC address). Making a link on our test bench (10 feet away), we had a -55ish signal... however, the ping times and speeds were terrible (2000ms and at the most 2Mbps). I am thinking it was because this is running OFDM and in close proximity, the signals bounce all over. Last, all three techs that I talked to at Vecima asked Do you have an NMS (network management server)? and I had to continually say no and then they would say oh... I don't know how to do this manually. One of the reasons we were testing this solution is that it did not require their NMS to function... however, even their tech support is pretty limited if you don't have it. Their NMS server is about $5,000 (but a
Re: [WISPA] tower erection question
That seems awful cheap to me...I would expect at least $50k or more. A 200' self-supporting tower cost me about $65k and I did all of the leg work. If you have a tower crew, I would expect $15k for labor, $2000 for earthwork, and I don't know the concrete requirements so maybe $1000, $3000-5000 for fencing, $7000 for lighting, $5k for paperwork and variances (don't forget to notify the FAA, EPA, and some Indian preservation group). I figure roughly $33k just for construction. That is not including a building and steel (tower price). The paperwork is the hardest part to get completed. It isn't hard work, just busy work. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question So more or less a turn key tower? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower erection question Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park figure for erection of a 300' Rohn 65G - earthwork, steel and construction? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower erection question
Hey Chris, There are a pile of tower guys on the yahoo tower-pro list that are looking for work. You might want to hit them up for a price. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tower-pro/ Jim chris cooper wrote: Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park figure for erection of a 300' Rohn 65G - earthwork, steel and construction? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower erection question
A self supporting tower is more expensive to install sue to base requirements and construction techniques. When I quoted installation pricing I was quoting concrete and steel. I am not talking about zoning, fencing, shelters, or the cost of lighting systems. The number I quoted is foundation with anchor points and putting steel up. Most crews with a gin pole can raise 300' of 65G in 3 days. We are not talking rocket science here. And will probably do it with 3 guys. So 3 Guys x 5 days x $800 per man is $12K. Add another $3 -$5K for foundation. $20K MAYBE Its only 65G Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:36:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question That seems awful cheap to me...I would expect at least $50k or more. A 200' self-supporting tower cost me about $65k and I did all of the leg work. If you have a tower crew, I would expect $15k for labor, $2000 for earthwork, and I don't know the concrete requirements so maybe $1000, $3000-5000 for fencing, $7000 for lighting, $5k for paperwork and variances (don't forget to notify the FAA, EPA, and some Indian preservation group). I figure roughly $33k just for construction. That is not including a building and steel (tower price). The paperwork is the hardest part to get completed. It isn't hard work, just busy work. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question So more or less a turn key tower? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower erection question Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park figure for erection of a 300' Rohn 65G - earthwork, steel and construction? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
That was the reason I went with 802.11 on Tranzeo in the first place. Yeah there are (insert 802.11 issues here) but at least I have the freedom to shop around. I wish vendors would use ingenuity and value rather than silly lock-ins to keep you. ryan (writing this on an OSX machine... I pay more for more! Take heed vendors!) On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:17 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they are manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same freq, there are hooks into all of the CPEs so that they are not cross-compatible. This might need clarification, but I was sure that this was the case in speaking with their guys. In other words, the Tranzeo / Redline CPEs work only with Redline, the Tranzeo / Vecima CPEs work only with Vecima. The Tranzeo CPEs direct from Tranzeo will not work with either .. This was done so that end- users don't shop around to piece together the system. I might be wrong, but I remember when I heard this described I did the whole dog tilting it's head sideways thing ... -drew On 12/13/08 5:32 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: it uses 802.03af PS ... My point was that you could use the low cost Vecima Bases with these CPEs ... or stick with el cheapo tranzeo units Would you pay extra $50 for a quality cpe? I'll do Definetly Tranzeo does not manufacture this unit Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: iirc one vendor told me the recline CPe could talk with the Vecima base The redline units are top notch quality construction, no tranzeo mickey mouse stuff. Afaik pricing is not much diferent Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, We received our Vecima trial kit (one AP and five CPE) on Thursday afternoon. We have not yet put it on a tower, as there were several issues with their software on the AP... but here's some info thus far: The base station is quite large. It measures approximately 14 inches tall x 8 inches wide x 6 inches thick. It weighs about 25 pounds (seriously). It has an RJ-45 ethernet connector and an N-male connector on the bottom. (I was lead to believe they had omni, 90 degree, 120 degree and connectorized versions, and I requested the 120 unit, but instead got this with an LMR jumper and an MTI 120 antenna). We began by getting into the AP and making some normal changes (downlink was set to 50%, so we changed it to 70%). Also the center frequency was set to 3.410 so we changed that to 3.650. We also changed to 7mhz channel size. We then applied and rebooted... and then we could no longer get into the radio configuration page (where we had just made all those changes). So we did a factory reset and tried again. Same thing. We opened a trouble ticket with Vecima the next morning, and they were able to reproduce the problem in their lab. Then about 3 hours later, another tech called back and told us we needed to upgrade the firmware (even though the first tech said we were running the latest). We upgraded and that fixed the problem... but then we had a new problem. The Allowed MAC address file somehow got corrupted... so they had to SSH into the base station and fix that file. (By the way, this AP is just running Linux 2.6.14 kernel). We were now able to make a connection to one of the CPE (after setting up the service classifiers, service flows, and adding a service flow to this MAC address). Making a link on our test bench (10 feet away), we had a -55ish signal... however, the ping times and speeds were terrible (2000ms and at the most 2Mbps). I am thinking it was because this is running OFDM and in close proximity, the signals bounce all
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
Everyone praised WiMAX because it would be cross compatible. Welp, $10k AP later, you're still stuck with a proprietary system, you just have less money. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they are manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same freq, there are hooks into all of the CPEs so that they are not cross-compatible. This might need clarification, but I was sure that this was the case in speaking with their guys. In other words, the Tranzeo / Redline CPEs work only with Redline, the Tranzeo / Vecima CPEs work only with Vecima. The Tranzeo CPEs direct from Tranzeo will not work with either .. This was done so that end-users don't shop around to piece together the system. I might be wrong, but I remember when I heard this described I did the whole dog tilting it's head sideways thing ... -drew On 12/13/08 5:32 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: it uses 802.03af PS ... My point was that you could use the low cost Vecima Bases with these CPEs ... or stick with el cheapo tranzeo units Would you pay extra $50 for a quality cpe? I'll do Definetly Tranzeo does not manufacture this unit Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: iirc one vendor told me the recline CPe could talk with the Vecima base The redline units are top notch quality construction, no tranzeo mickey mouse stuff. Afaik pricing is not much diferent Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, We received our Vecima trial kit (one AP and five CPE) on Thursday afternoon. We have not yet put it on a tower, as there were several issues with their software on the AP... but here's some info thus far: The base station is quite large. It measures approximately 14 inches tall x 8 inches wide x 6 inches thick. It weighs about 25 pounds (seriously). It has an RJ-45 ethernet connector and an N-male connector on the bottom. (I was lead to believe they had omni, 90 degree, 120 degree and connectorized versions, and I requested the 120 unit, but instead got this with an LMR jumper and an MTI 120 antenna). We began by getting into the AP and making some normal changes (downlink was set to 50%, so we changed it to 70%). Also the center frequency was set to 3.410 so we changed that to 3.650. We also changed to 7mhz channel size. We then applied and rebooted... and then we could no longer get into the radio configuration page (where we had just made all those changes). So we did a factory reset and tried again. Same thing. We opened a trouble ticket with Vecima the next morning, and they were able to reproduce the problem in their lab. Then about 3 hours later, another tech called back and told us we needed to upgrade the firmware (even though the first tech said we were running the latest). We upgraded and that fixed the problem... but then we had a new problem. The Allowed MAC address file somehow got corrupted... so they had to SSH into the base station and fix that file. (By the way, this AP is just running Linux 2.6.14 kernel). We were now able to make a connection to one of the CPE (after setting up the service classifiers, service flows, and adding a service flow to this MAC address). Making a link on our test bench (10 feet away), we had a -55ish signal... however, the ping times and speeds were terrible (2000ms and at the most 2Mbps). I am thinking it was because this is running OFDM and in close proximity, the signals bounce all over. Last, all three techs that I talked to at Vecima asked Do you have an NMS (network management server)? and I had to continually say no and then they would say oh... I don't know how to do this manually. One of the reasons we were testing this solution is that it did not require their NMS to function... however, even their tech support is pretty limited if you don't have it. Their NMS server is about
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain extent. From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and Tranzeo CPE will work together but only on a best effort basis. All QoS functionality is proprietary. If you are just providing data services that should not be an issue though. Once again, this is theory. I do not know of anyone who has actually tried out a system using Redline Base Stations and another manufacturer's CPE. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower erection question
It looks like we are saying the same thing, just differently...I said foundation and tower construction would be roughly $17-20k. My guestimate was for a turn-key, you provide the tower sections and when it is complete, your antennas are in the air. I re-read his email and it was only for tower construction, earthwork, and steel, not for the remainder services (though they are required for a 300' tower). Respectfully, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question A self supporting tower is more expensive to install sue to base requirements and construction techniques. When I quoted installation pricing I was quoting concrete and steel. I am not talking about zoning, fencing, shelters, or the cost of lighting systems. The number I quoted is foundation with anchor points and putting steel up. Most crews with a gin pole can raise 300' of 65G in 3 days. We are not talking rocket science here. And will probably do it with 3 guys. So 3 Guys x 5 days x $800 per man is $12K. Add another $3 -$5K for foundation. $20K MAYBE Its only 65G Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:36:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question That seems awful cheap to me...I would expect at least $50k or more. A 200' self-supporting tower cost me about $65k and I did all of the leg work. If you have a tower crew, I would expect $15k for labor, $2000 for earthwork, and I don't know the concrete requirements so maybe $1000, $3000-5000 for fencing, $7000 for lighting, $5k for paperwork and variances (don't forget to notify the FAA, EPA, and some Indian preservation group). I figure roughly $33k just for construction. That is not including a building and steel (tower price). The paperwork is the hardest part to get completed. It isn't hard work, just busy work. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question So more or less a turn key tower? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower erection question Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park figure for erection of a 300' Rohn 65G - earthwork, steel and construction? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
Honestly, it would seem the best solution at this time would be to use the Vecima Base stations with Redline CPE. :) Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain extent. From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and Tranzeo CPE will work together but only on a "best effort" basis. All QoS functionality is proprietary. If you are just providing data services that should not be an issue though. Once again, this is theory. I do not know of anyone who has actually tried out a system using Redline Base Stations and another manufacturer's CPE. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
Jeff AFAIK there is no Wimax Forum 3.65 profile ... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain extent. From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and Tranzeo CPE will work together but only on a best effort basis. All QoS functionality is proprietary. If you are just providing data services that should not be an issue though. Once again, this is theory. I do not know of anyone who has actually tried out a system using Redline Base Stations and another manufacturer's CPE. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
It is the real WiMAX, not the hype of 70 megabits at 70 miles with any vendor you choose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution would be interoperable - but that was a salesmen speaking. On 12/14/08, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
WOW - if only the soapbox was really gone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA financially. When the attitude that consolidation and shaking out the smaller players is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may not be official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the past. Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and mom and pop are the backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in the whole country. Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that costs them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that somehow playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... All that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators change and all the goodwill supposedly bought evaportes, with the precedents and whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get shorn. Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can I put my name on what they do or give them money. Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to revision and extension. This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still talking about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and loans available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm twisting contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that much money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the rolodexes. We cannot win that fight with those rules. We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse industry that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively and that betting on the big guys is like buying Enron or Lehman stock. We will never be the providers to the masses, but there can never be affordable ubiquitous broadband without us. That might take some thought and creativity to compose the narration and it might take some skill to sell, but there's simply no rebuttal from Verizon that FIOS is ever going to make a lick of sense in a wide array of places. Or that in an era when Congress really, REALLY needs to get their fiscal act in order, that blowing vast sums to reach few people makes sense. It has to be about selling the value of who and what you are and why you are, not out muscling the big guys for a slice of pie. That can't be won. Further, it obliterations the differences between us and them. That DIFFERENCE is our strength, not our weakness. If you're not thinking in those terms, then some re-thinking needs to happen. What will attract membership is a consistent, clear message about how we have and are building a thriving and healthy industry, even in these economic times, due to the fact that WE ARE NOT THEM and then selling exactly who we are. The people coming back form DC need to talking about how they sold us so well that when we say we need protection from mandates and expensive intrusions, that they listened. The idea of going to DC and being a we threw a toothpick in the cogs of the big guys and got some money for us is self defeating. We need to be proactive, not reactive, we need a coherent message and a coherent brand. We need to be defensive of the very thing that makes it possible for our numbers to multiply - freedom to do business without regulatory overhead. We need to not be attempting to joust with the cable operators and telcos over what they want. We need to present something more compelling than feed our gaping maw so we c an continue our mediocre performance that the othe guys play. And no, don't tell me to run for WISPA office. Agitators like myself don't win popularity contests. Besides, I won't put my name on the organization until it changes. I prefer poking a stick in the hornets nest, to letting stuff go along quietly. I've never found that emulating someone else is the sure-fire way to beat them. That is not conducive to winning anything. Go for the whole banana, go for broke, or don't bother. Lead, follow, or get out of the way...I spent the first half of my life being compliant and found life has
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
To add to Jeff point...WiMAX certification interoperability is limited to a lowest common denominator -- for example, looking at the MAC, interoperability is only guaranteed at the BE level (so unless there's some level of AP / CPE manufacturer cooperation, most of those nifty QoS features disappear) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain extent. From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and Tranzeo CPE will work together but only on a best effort basis. All QoS functionality is proprietary. If you are just providing data services that should not be an issue though. Once again, this is theory. I do not know of anyone who has actually tried out a system using Redline Base Stations and another manufacturer's CPE. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586.
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution would be interoperable - but that was a salesmen speaking. They are... At a base level -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
My thoughts inline below: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline has an FCC approved system with 3 - 120 degree sectors with a 3-way splitter which allows for full 360 degree coverage now with one sector controller with upgrade path for more sector controllers as your needs increase over time. Redline supports uplink sub-channelization which adds about 15 db of increased receive sensitivity to your CPE to base station link. I find the cost is justified for the Redline system and I have one online that I am very happy with. I am moving my leased line connections to WiMax with better speeds and erquivalent reliability. The ROI for this base station ist less than 2.5 years now and will improve as I add more customers. I feel very satisfied with the Redline system and am confident we will add more Redline bases in the future. Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 Redline CPEs are built like a tank. They have the Intel WiMax Ruby chipset (the best available at any price). Future migration to 802.16e for this CPE is a firmware flash. It is true that you have to buy 72 radios (not 250) to get the $300 price point. They are well worth the money. I take a Redline CPE in with me on sales calls. The quality helps me sell WiMax.. It is that nice of a piece. It is the best quality CPE device I have used. It is very similar to the quality look and feel of the Alvarion VL CPE radios. And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? This is not true at all. Tranzeo and Redline CPEs are night and day different from one another. The quality of the Redline CPE was a big part of my decision to choose Redline as our WiMax platform. Nothing touches the Intel Ruby chipset. It is the best going. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
John, What are your thoughts about using the 3.65ghz band that has no capabilities to handle any type of noise rejection? One of my big concerns with 3.65ghz is spending a lot of money on base stations, NMS, etc. and then having someone purchase a $3,000 LigoWave 3.65 point to point link and shut my system down completely. I believe this to be a _very_ real concern in this space. I know the Vecima equipment is just a frequency change from their 3.5ghz equipment. I know equipment in that band has nothing to deal with noise, because they are licensed frequencies and therefore don't need to worry about interference. Do you have concerns about this? The FCC has already said that problems will need to be "worked out", and that they are not going to step in and do anything. It will NOT be a first come first serve basis as many believe. Thoughts? Comments? Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: My thoughts inline below: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline has an FCC approved system with 3 - 120 degree sectors with a 3-way splitter which allows for full 360 degree coverage now with one sector controller with upgrade path for more sector controllers as your needs increase over time. Redline supports uplink sub-channelization which adds about 15 db of increased receive sensitivity to your CPE to base station link. I find the cost is justified for the Redline system and I have one online that I am very happy with. I am moving my leased line connections to WiMax with better speeds and erquivalent reliability. The ROI for this base station ist less than 2.5 years now and will improve as I add more customers. I feel very satisfied with the Redline system and am confident we will add more Redline bases in the future. Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 Redline CPEs are built like a tank. They have the Intel WiMax Ruby chipset (the best available at any price). Future migration to 802.16e for this CPE is a firmware flash. It is true that you have to buy 72 radios (not 250) to get the $300 price point. They are well worth the money. I take a Redline CPE in with me on sales calls. The quality helps me sell WiMax.. It is that nice of a piece. It is the best quality CPE device I have used. It is very similar to the quality look and feel of the Alvarion VL CPE radios. And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? This is not true at all. Tranzeo and Redline CPEs are night and day different from one another. The quality of the Redline CPE was a big part of my decision to choose Redline as our WiMax platform. Nothing touches the Intel Ruby chipset. It is the best going. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
I consider my reply to be of enough value that I am sending out on the WISPA members list. You will see my reply there. Scriv On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: John, What are your thoughts about using the 3.65ghz band that has no capabilities to handle any type of noise rejection? One of my big concerns with 3.65ghz is spending a lot of money on base stations, NMS, etc. and then having someone purchase a $3,000 LigoWave 3.65 point to point link and shut my system down completely. I believe this to be a _very_ real concern in this space. I know the Vecima equipment is just a frequency change from their 3.5ghz equipment. I know equipment in that band has nothing to deal with noise, because they are licensed frequencies and therefore don't need to worry about interference. Do you have concerns about this? The FCC has already said that problems will need to be worked out, and that they are not going to step in and do anything. It will NOT be a first come first serve basis as many believe. Thoughts? Comments? Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: My thoughts inline below: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline has an FCC approved system with 3 - 120 degree sectors with a 3-way splitter which allows for full 360 degree coverage now with one sector controller with upgrade path for more sector controllers as your needs increase over time. Redline supports uplink sub-channelization which adds about 15 db of increased receive sensitivity to your CPE to base station link. I find the cost is justified for the Redline system and I have one online that I am very happy with. I am moving my leased line connections to WiMax with better speeds and erquivalent reliability. The ROI for this base station ist less than 2.5 years now and will improve as I add more customers. I feel very satisfied with the Redline system and am confident we will add more Redline bases in the future. Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 Redline CPEs are built like a tank. They have the Intel WiMax Ruby chipset (the best available at any price). Future migration to 802.16e for this CPE is a firmware flash. It is true that you have to buy 72 radios (not 250) to get the $300 price point. They are well worth the money. I take a Redline CPE in with me on sales calls. The quality helps me sell WiMax.. It is that nice of a piece. It is the best quality CPE device I have used. It is very similar to the quality look and feel of the Alvarion VL CPE radios. And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? This is not true at all. Tranzeo and Redline CPEs are night and day different from one another. The quality of the Redline CPE was a big part of my decision to choose Redline as our WiMax platform. Nothing touches the Intel Ruby chipset. It is the best going. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
