Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Charles Wu
A new movement started after Meraki turned to the dark-side a few years ago

Open Mesh Picks Up Where Meraki Left Off
As in, dirt cheap mesh networking gear for communities

A new mesh-networking project by the co-founder of NetEquality and the 
developer of mesh-networking management software might give Meraki a run for 
their money. Well perhaps not, but at least they're taking aim at the low-cost 
Wi-Fi market Meraki targeted before recent business decisions threw their 
original promise off course.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Open-Mesh-Picks-Up-Where-Meraki-Left-Off-92532

More info on Open Mesh
http://www.open-mesh.com/store/

-Charles

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Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. 
 Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some 
fun.

I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good 
enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping there is was a turn-key 
solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on 
how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like 
Meraki advertises would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware 
that works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in advance.

`S

PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can 
save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT.  (:



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Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

2009-02-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Right. You don't was to be the cause of a "runner" the next time they
vacuum. 

Brian

John Scrivner wrote:

  Carpet has a grain. You cut a slit a few inches long along the grain. You
can pull the carpet up over the bit, run the bit slowly and prevent creating
runs in the carpet.
Scriv


On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM, John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:

  
  
Is there any reason you don't just cut an X in the carpter and then trim
it?

John



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You need to use a sharp razor knife to cut a slit about 3 inches long
  

along


  the grain of the carpet. Then hold the carpet to the side as you drill.
Scriv


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How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the
threads?
I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit.
I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it
doesnt catch the carpet.
Thoughts?
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[WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router

2009-02-17 Thread Mark McElvy
We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot
access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I
want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users.
Can I have separate HTML?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router

2009-02-17 Thread Scott Reed
Yes.
Setup the directory structure. Put in the files.  Set the new hotspot to 
point to the new structure in the Hotspot server profile.
You can also setup a virtual AP on the exisiting radio and connect the 
new hotspot to it.

Mark McElvy wrote:
 We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot
 access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I
 want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users.
 Can I have separate HTML?

  

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Re: [WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router

2009-02-17 Thread eje
Yes. Just specify a different html directory for the new hotspot server and 
upload your other design to that folder on the MT. 

/Eje
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We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot
access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I
want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users.
Can I have separate HTML?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that 
and it works :) 

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 MT and a consultant ;)

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 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for 
 kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and 
 have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good 
 enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping there is was a turn-key 
 solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on 
 how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like 
 Meraki advertises would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware 
 that works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can 
 save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT.  (:


 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread os10rules
Mr. Burgess,

What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

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 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread David E. Smith
os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online.

The Web interface is kinda a joke, but the preferred GUI is probably 
Winbox anyway. Winbox is a small proprietary (and Windows-only) 
utility, that you can download via the Web interface, that exposes most 
functionality.

The documentation on Mikrotik's Web site is actually pretty thorough, 
with the caveat that it's always about one version behind. The wiki 
isn't the best, but it has a few clever tricks here and there.

Mikrotik RouterOS's greatest strength is that you can do just about 
anything with it - the same device can do routing, firewalling, traffic 
shaping, BGP, wireless access, wireless client, RADIUS, and about 873 
other things. Its greatest weakness is that you can do just about 
anything with it ...

Fortunately, just about everything is turned off by default, and you can 
usually just ignore the features you're not using. :)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread eje
Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through 
winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or 
just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script 
samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. 
Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. But 
reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that their 
network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the routing 
concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source ports, 
destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On the 
WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) the 
primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip 
flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with 
MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where 
everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic and 
not very straight forward. 

/Eje Gustafsson
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc
Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. 
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-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


Mr. Burgess,

What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
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 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

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 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup.  If 
you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can 
see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe.  lol. 

There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you 
can use Winbox for all configuration changes.  The web interface is not 
the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line 
that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to 
implement it.  its not paste it in and magic happens. 

As far as making the leap, man I don't think so.  Eje I am sure would 
agree there?

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os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

   
 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

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 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
One of the big things with MT as David said, is that normally people are 
used to doing routing on one device.  Now you have 800+ things it can 
do.  Putting it all together is the hard part.

I do a training class on-line, that is designed to teach everything 
about RouterOS.  We teach TCP/IP, routing, and how data flows as well.

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e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do 
 through winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not 
 use it or just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of 
 script samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. 
 Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. 
 But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that 
 their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the 
 routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source 
 ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On 
 the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) 
 the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and 
 ip flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with 
 MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router 
 where everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very 
 cryptic and not very straight forward. 

 /Eje Gustafsson
 CTO
 WISP-Router, Inc
 Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. 
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 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com

 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

   
 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread os10rules
Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks!

I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on  
an old PC first.

Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the  
something very small and simple. Thanks for the push!

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup.   
 If
 you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can
 see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic,  
 maybe.  lol.

 There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you
 can use Winbox for all configuration changes.  The web interface is  
 not
 the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line
 that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to
 implement it.  its not paste it in and magic happens.

 As far as making the leap, man I don't think so.  Eje I am sure would
 agree there?

 * ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
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 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Burgess,

  What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making  
 too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

  Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done  
 that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play
 which != 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
to give high performance.

On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
outdoor selections).

I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
are getting!

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

Mr. Burgess,

What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-17 Thread RickG
It's called survival. We've all been put into a bad position through
no fault of our own. Since we have no control, all we can do it react.
You cant blame someone for that.
-RickG

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
 Businesses come and go too Mark.

 Because we don't like it or think it's a good idea for the country doesn't
 make this wrong in a moral or ethical sense.

 I agree that this package is going to end up doing more harm than good.
 That knowledge won't stop anyone from spending the money though.  It's going
 to go out the door.

 And the more of it that comes to me, the better it'll be.  *I* can make sure
 that whatever part I get ahold of is used for the good of my community.  My
 competition may not be so honorable.

 By taking the grant funds I can minimize the damage this program will do.
 That's the smart thing to do.  It's also the right and honorable thing to
 do.  The only catch is to watch out for any strings that may be attached.
 We don't want to take money and use it to build things that aren't long term
 sustainable.

 It's like this Mark.  I find a bag (hell, I STEAL the bag) full of money
 from a drug pusher.  He's already gotten the money.  If he keeps it he'll
 spend it in ways that will enrich his drug empire.  If I spend it I'll use
 it to enrich my family and my community.  Think I'm likely to give the money
 back to the bad guy?

 We tried to do what was right and stop this madness.  But the deal is now
 done.  All we can do from here is minimize the damage.  Heck, we don't even
 be able to undo it, the money has to be handed out before the next election
 cycle.

 It sucks, but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my community comes out
 of this in the best shape possible.  That means that *I* get as much money
 as I can, not the telco that's based on the other side of the country.
 marlon

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 From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say it should not
 be
 done and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face
 forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.


 
 insert witty tagline here

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 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
 do?

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 Well, whatcha gonna do?





 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
**sigh**  So anyhow, about my chest hair..

`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks!

I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on
an old PC first.

Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the
something very small and simple. Thanks for the push!

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup.
 If
 you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can
 see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic,
 maybe.  lol.

 There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you
 can use Winbox for all configuration changes.  The web interface is
 not
 the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line
 that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to
 implement it.  its not paste it in and magic happens.

 As far as making the leap, man I don't think so.  Eje I am sure would
 agree there?

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Burgess,

  What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making
 too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

  Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done
 that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises
 would be cool.  How about the 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
Jerry-
Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported?  I couldn't find anything 
on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few distributors have this 
product in stock.  Deliberant is in the same enclosure as OSBridge uses for 
their full duplex backhauls.

It'd be cool to combo a bullet5 and pico hp2 with a crossover harness that 
injects power where the bullet5 + omni would BH the devices and the pico would 
provide service to end users.  Seems like you'd get a ghetto mesh for ~130/node.

Thanks,
`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

I just went through this exercise - spent hours looking at various options.

Deliberant and Engenius are the two options I arrived at. These seemed like the 
best price/performance to me and are refined enough to be easily supported. 
It's not true Mesh but rather WDS distribution via radio 1 and client access on 
radio 2
- Engenius EOC-7550 Dual radio AP (4 SSID/VLAN) - 199 - cheesy omni's included 
I think
- Deliberant DUO Dual radio AP (16 SSID/VLAN) - 349 - no antennas

If you can get away with a single radio WDS setup, then the costs drop through 
the floor - Sprinkle them around like chicklets:
- Ubiquity Pico, Nano, etc - 49 and up
- Engenius - copy cats - 49 and up
- Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT
- etc

If it really needs to be mesh then the two lowest cost options I found
are:
- MikroTik with two radios - 349/kit assembled - no antennas
- Ligowave DUO and Quad - 1k and up - no antennas



__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

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Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. 
 Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some 
fun.

I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good 
enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping there is was a turn-key 
solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on 
how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT).
Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - 
is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - 
thanks in advance.

`S

PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can 
save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT.
(:




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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread os10rules
Mr. Bledsoe,

I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because  
under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the  
physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in  
order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the  
data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a  
shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents  
loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh  
performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only  
the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The  
folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book.

Would you concur?

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are  
 talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the  
 best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service  
 set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website  
 with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what  
 you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want 

[WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread David E. Smith
I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't 
have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it 
(not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm

This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and 
which will almost certainly be signed by President Obama today.

You find the most interesting things just by keyword-searching for 
broadband

* The mad money totals an even seven billion dollars, which is only 
available until September 2010.
* The Department of Agriculture, who have been somewhat friendly to 
WISPs in the past, appears to get control of most of that money.
* Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone 
know the precise definition of that term in this context?)
* Within one year, the FCC is mandated to complete a rulemaking to 
develop a national broadband plan.


/* There will be a new IRS tax credit for broadband: 10% of your 
expenses if you provide current-generation service (which means 5Mbps 
down/1Mbps up for wireline, 3Mbps down/768kbps up for wireless), 20% for 
next-generation service (100Mbps down/20Mbps up, regardless of 
medium), for gear deployed between 1/1/09 and 12/31/11./ Remember to say 
please and thank-you to your accountant.

Even if you don't like taking grant money, think it's inappropriate for 
the government to give it away, whatever, the tax credit looks promising.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Jack Unger




I think you are making the point that "mesh" is a very broad term; it's
like "happiness" - there are many flavors...

Harold Bledsoe wrote:

  Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

If so, I would disagree that this is a "good" mesh implementation.
There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
to give high performance.

On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
outdoor selections).

I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
are getting!

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

Mr. Burgess,

	What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

	Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

  
  
Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
and it works :)

* ---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
http://www.linktechs.net/
*/LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by  
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e...@wisp-router.com wrote:


  MT and a consultant ;)

/me laughing while running for cover

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
my feet wet and have some fun.

I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
advance.

`S

PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
which != MT.  (:



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Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread Blake Bowers
David,

Are you sure that is the final bill?  Reason I ask,
one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA
money to build or modify fire stations.  In a meeting I had
with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been
cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!


I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't
 have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it
 (not that it's hard to do), here: 
 http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm

 This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and
 which will almost certainly be signed by President Obama today.





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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread eje
From experience this is not how the bridging used in MikroTik and its WDS 
setup is doing. It only forward the traffic where it needs to go. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


Mr. Bledsoe,

I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because  
under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the  
physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in  
order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the  
data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a  
shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents  
loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh  
performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only  
the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The  
folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book.

Would you concur?

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are  
 talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the  
 best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service  
 set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website  
 with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what  
 you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread eje
MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of 
using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
to give high performance.

On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
outdoor selections).

I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
are getting!

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

Mr. Burgess,

What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

 The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by  
 the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is  
 intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
 it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged  
 material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,  
 or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by  
 persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is  
 prohibited, If you
 received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the  
 material from any computer.





 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 
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Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread David E. Smith
Blake Bowers wrote:

 Are you sure that is the final bill?  Reason I ask,
 one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA
 money to build or modify fire stations.  In a meeting I had
 with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been
 cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million.

As sure as I can be - I just cut-and-pasted the whole thing from THOMAS. 
(Go to thomas.loc.gov, search for bill number HR1, click Text of 
Legislation, then look through either of the last two revisions. 
Revision 6, Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate, is much easier 
to read, as it doesn't start with a hundred pages of strike out every 
last word from the previous version of this bill.)

My Congress-fu is a bit weak, but I'm reasonably certain this is the 
version of the bill that's been signed by both branches of Congress and 
passed up to the President.

Even if I'm wrong, there don't appear to be any major revisions in the 
broadband sections.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Harold Bledsoe
I'd say that the issue is not really related to WDS but the fact that
WDS is just a way to connect APs peer to peer.  There needs to be some
sort of intelligence on top of that that chooses channels, paths, etc.
Something more than STP or any other algorithm that doesn't understand
wireless.  :)  Then even if the algorithm understands wireless, if you
are using a single radio solution, there is considerable throughput lost
per hop due to this.  So ideally you would dedicate wireless interfaces
to each task of uplink, downlink, and serving customer (except the
gateway that has a wired uplink).

That's my take on it.

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 -0430

Mr. Bledsoe,

I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because  
under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the  
physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in  
order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the  
data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a  
shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents  
loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh  
performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only  
the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The  
folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book.

Would you concur?

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are  
 talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the  
 best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service  
 set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website  
 with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what  
 you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

 The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by
 the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is
 intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
 it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
 material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,
 or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by
 persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is
 prohibited, If you
 received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the
 material from any computer.





 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Or ice cream.  :)


-Original Message-
From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800

I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's
like happiness - there are many flavors...

Harold Bledsoe wrote: 

 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
 
 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
 to give high performance.
 
 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).
 
 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
 are getting!
 
 -Hal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430
 
 Mr. Burgess,
 
   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.
 
   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
 bad?
 
 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
 
   
 
  Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
  and it works :)
  
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  WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
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  e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  
  
   MT and a consultant ;)
   
   /me laughing while running for cover
   
   Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
   
   Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
   To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
   Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
   
   
   Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
   just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
   my feet wet and have some fun.
   
   I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
   worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
   there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
   could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
   someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
   would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
   works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
   advance.
   
   `S
   
   PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
   how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
   which != MT.  (:
   
   
   
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
Agreed Eje.  Works great. 

There are lots of options etc.  

Also, as you have hear, mesh is just another 4-letter word in my 
book.  You can have a routed mesh, or you can use some of the other 
definitions including MME, etc.  What you really need to find out is how 
and what you are going to deliver.  Delivering 200k vs megs will make 
you change the hardware and requirements that you have. It may also 
change the design. 

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e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of 
 using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. 

 /Eje
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 -Original Message-
 From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net

 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

   
 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 
 MT and a 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
hmmm. ice cream

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Harold Bledsoe wrote:
 Or ice cream.  :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800

 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's
 like happiness - there are many flavors...

 Harold Bledsoe wrote: 

   
 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

  What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

  Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

   

 
 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 

   
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k 

Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread Frank Muto
* Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone  know 
the precise definition of that term in this 
context?)

Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As 
you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus 
refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information 
directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or 
someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural 
communities.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE
Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United 
States Department of Agriculture for broadband 
direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural 
Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and 
for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of the 
United States notwithstanding title VI of the 
Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of the 
area served by the projects receiving funds from 
such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without sufficient 
access to high speed broadband service to 
facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary: Provided 
further, That priority for awarding funds 
made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide 
service to the highest proportion of rural 
residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided 
further, That priority for awarding such funds 
shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the 
application is approved, all project elements will be 
fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be 
given to activities that can commence promptly 
following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a report 
on planned spending and actual obligations 
describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of 
enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter 
until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the House 
of Representatives and the Senate.


Rural Electrification Act of 1936
http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm

SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as 
provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to 
mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any 
urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the 
Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm 
population thereof; the term farm shall be 
deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the 
Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean 
any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory 
shall be deemed to include any insular possession 
of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the 
Secretary of Agriculture.

[May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776, §2, 
63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 
103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct. 13, 1994, Public Law 103-354, Title II, 
Subtitle C, §235(a)(6), 108 Stat. 3221; 7 
U.S.C.913.]


SEC. 203.  DEFINITION OF TELEPHONE SERVICE AND RURAL AREA.-(a) As used in this 
title, the term telephone service shall be 
deemed to mean any communication service for the transmission or reception of 
voice, data, sounds, signals, pictures, 
writing, or signs of all kinds by wire, fiber, radio, light, or other visual or 
electromagnetic means, and shall include all 
telephone lines, facilities, or systems used in the rendition of such service; 
but shall not be deemed to mean message 
telegram service or community antenna television system services or facilities 
other than those intended exclusively for 
educational purposes, or radio broadcasting services or facilities within the 
meaning of section 3(o) of the Communications 
Act of 1934, as amended.

 (b)  As used in this title, the term rural area shall be deemed to mean any 
area of the United States not included within 
the boundaries of any incorporated or unincorporated city, village, or borough 
having a population in excess of 5000 
inhabitants.

[Oct. 28, 1949, ch. 776, §5, 63 Stat. 948; Oct. 23, 1962, Public Law 87-862, 76 
Stat. 1140; Nov. 28, 1990, Public Law 
101-624, Title XXIII, Subtitle F, ch. 2, §2354, 104 Stat. 4039; Nov. 1, 1993, 
Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(5), 107 Stat. 1364; 7 
U.S.C. 924.]



Frank Muto

















- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!


I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't
 have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it
 (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm

 This is the version 

Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread St. Louis Broadband
That is not the same bill that I read.  There are revisions that are not
included.  The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B,
making it a bit over 1000 pages.
Victoria Proffer
CEO
St. Louis Broadband
www.stlbroadband.com

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:

 Blake Bowers wrote:

  Are you sure that is the final bill?  Reason I ask,
  one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA
  money to build or modify fire stations.  In a meeting I had
  with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been
  cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million.

 As sure as I can be - I just cut-and-pasted the whole thing from THOMAS.
 (Go to thomas.loc.gov, search for bill number HR1, click Text of
 Legislation, then look through either of the last two revisions.
 Revision 6, Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate, is much easier
 to read, as it doesn't start with a hundred pages of strike out every
 last word from the previous version of this bill.)

 My Congress-fu is a bit weak, but I'm reasonably certain this is the
 version of the bill that's been signed by both branches of Congress and
 passed up to the President.

 Even if I'm wrong, there don't appear to be any major revisions in the
 broadband sections.

 David Smith
 MVN.net



 
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Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Frank, you are correct.  I spent my entire weekend on it...and ended up
crosseyed ;-)
Victoria

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Frank Muto frank.m...@secureemailplus.com
 wrote:

 * Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone
  know the precise definition of that term in this
 context?)

 Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions.
 As you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus
 refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information
 directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or
 someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural
 communities.

 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

 GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE
 Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United
 States Department of Agriculture for broadband
 direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural
 Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and
 for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of
 the United States notwithstanding title VI of the
 Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of
 the area served by the projects receiving funds from
 such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without
 sufficient access to high speed broadband service to
 facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary:
 Provided further, That priority for awarding funds
 made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide
 service to the highest proportion of rural
 residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided
 further, That priority for awarding such funds
 shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the
 application is approved, all project elements will be
 fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall
 be given to activities that can commence promptly
 following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a
 report on planned spending and actual obligations
 describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of
 enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter
 until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the
 House of Representatives and the Senate.


 Rural Electrification Act of 1936
 http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm

 SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as
 provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to
 mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of
 any urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the
 Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm
 population thereof; the term farm shall be
 deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the
 Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean
 any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory
 shall be deemed to include any insular possession
 of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the
 Secretary of Agriculture.

 [May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776,
 §2, 63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law
 103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct. 13, 1994, Public Law 103-354, Title
 II, Subtitle C, §235(a)(6), 108 Stat. 3221; 7
 U.S.C.913.]


 SEC. 203.  DEFINITION OF TELEPHONE SERVICE AND RURAL AREA.-(a) As used in
 this title, the term telephone service shall be
 deemed to mean any communication service for the transmission or reception
 of voice, data, sounds, signals, pictures,
 writing, or signs of all kinds by wire, fiber, radio, light, or other
 visual or electromagnetic means, and shall include all
 telephone lines, facilities, or systems used in the rendition of such
 service; but shall not be deemed to mean message
 telegram service or community antenna television system services or
 facilities other than those intended exclusively for
 educational purposes, or radio broadcasting services or facilities within
 the meaning of section 3(o) of the Communications
 Act of 1934, as amended.

  (b)  As used in this title, the term rural area shall be deemed to mean
 any area of the United States not included within
 the boundaries of any incorporated or unincorporated city, village, or
 borough having a population in excess of 5000
 inhabitants.

 [Oct. 28, 1949, ch. 776, §5, 63 Stat. 948; Oct. 23, 1962, Public Law
 87-862, 76 Stat. 1140; Nov. 28, 1990, Public Law
 101-624, Title XXIII, Subtitle F, ch. 2, §2354, 104 Stat. 4039; Nov. 1,
 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(5), 107 Stat. 1364; 7
 U.S.C. 924.]



 Frank Muto

















 - Original Message -
 From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:23 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!


 I made a copy of the stimulus bill's 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
Does MT make ice cream?  If they did, it would be the BEST!

Haha,
`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

hmmm. ice cream

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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
http://www.linktechs.net/
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Harold Bledsoe wrote:
 Or ice cream.  :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800

 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's
 like happiness - there are many flavors...

 Harold Bledsoe wrote:


 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

  What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

  Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:




 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 /me laughing while running for cover

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 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander 

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread John J. Thomas
You DO NOT have to use a CLI to do firewalling nowadays. Cisco has the SDM for 
routers, and the ASDM for ASA's.

John

-Original Message-
From: e...@wisp-router.com [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 07:26 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through 
winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or 
just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script 
samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. 
Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. 
But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that 
their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the 
routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source 
ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On 
the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) 
the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip 
flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with 
MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where 
everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic 
and not very straight forward. 

/Eje Gustafsson
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc
Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged  
 material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,  
 or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by  
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 received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the  
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 
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2009-02-17 Thread eje
Don't help if don't have the latest IOS firmware I would think. I must say I 
haven't used Cisco for a long time (replaced with ImageStream) and the few 
times I had to help customer that had a cisco that needed some configuration 
changes to deal with the internal routing we help setup with MikroTik it was 
always it seemed an older firmware and they customer know very little more then 
the username and password and ips to get in to the cisco. 
But glad Cisco is coming to the 21st century with decent provisioning tools and 
configuration tools which I been spoiled with Mikrotik every since I first 
started using it almost hmm 7 years ago. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:36:31 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


You DO NOT have to use a CLI to do firewalling nowadays. Cisco has the SDM for 
routers, and the ASDM for ASA's.

John

-Original Message-
From: e...@wisp-router.com [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 07:26 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through 
winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or 
just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script 
samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. 
Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. 
But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that 
their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the 
routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source 
ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On 
the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) 
the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip 
flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with 
MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where 
everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic 
and not very straight forward. 

/Eje Gustafsson
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc
Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

 The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by  
 the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is  
 intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
 it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged  
 material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,  
 or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by  
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked 

Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread David E. Smith
St. Louis Broadband wrote:
 That is not the same bill that I read.  There are revisions that are not
 included.  The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B,
 making it a bit over 1000 pages.

I think you're right, though it doesn't change the numbers too much. I 
always forget about the distinctions in different types of engrossed 
bills, and the relative silliness of how Congress handles joint-committees.

I've fixed my previous link by replacing it with links to the two PDFs 
that make up the conferenced version of the bill. Feel free to mooch, 
the House Rules committee Web site has been a bit sluggish for me all day.

The committee version still allocates $7.2B, just split up a bit 
differently. Sadly, my favorite portion of the bill, the broadband 
deployment tax credit, seems to have disappeared.

I think I'll go start drinking now, and I apologize for all the 
unintended noise on the list.

David Smith
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[WISPA] CPNI filing. Do you have any VoIP?

2009-02-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All,

I've verified, as accurately as I can, that anyone that's billing for VoIP 
services has to deal with this.

Here is some information that I got from the FCC.

This document contains a 1-page template for the annual CPNI
certification:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-171A1.doc

And here is a link that explains the CPNI requirements:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-1321A1.doc

I'm not going to even mess with this.  I'll have Steve Coran take care of it 
for us.  At least as much of it as possible.

At first I didn't think this applied to us as we don't ever even see the 
billing detail etc.  All we do is drop off an ATA and then bill the customer 
for his monthly service.  Apparently that's all it takes.

sigh

Have fun,
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Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread St. Louis Broadband
There is some important wording though.  For instance, for the TOP program
they included small and disadvantage businesses.I am hoping because of that,
the big guys have a disadvantage over us small guys that have been out there
for years.
Victoria

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:

 St. Louis Broadband wrote:
  That is not the same bill that I read.  There are revisions that are not
  included.  The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B,
  making it a bit over 1000 pages.

 I think you're right, though it doesn't change the numbers too much. I
 always forget about the distinctions in different types of engrossed
 bills, and the relative silliness of how Congress handles joint-committees.

 I've fixed my previous link by replacing it with links to the two PDFs
 that make up the conferenced version of the bill. Feel free to mooch,
 the House Rules committee Web site has been a bit sluggish for me all day.

 The committee version still allocates $7.2B, just split up a bit
 differently. Sadly, my favorite portion of the bill, the broadband
 deployment tax credit, seems to have disappeared.

 I think I'll go start drinking now, and I apologize for all the
 unintended noise on the list.

 David Smith
 MVN.net



 
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[WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads

2009-02-17 Thread Larry A Weidig
Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these?
Thanks!

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
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Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads

2009-02-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?N=2105407

/ Eje

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Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:30 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads

Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these?
Thanks!

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
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[WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd 
like to know what other, similar options are out there.

It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program.
It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking for, but 
 I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

What are you trying to do that Mozy doesn't do?

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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Put it on my server, not someone else's.


-
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking for, 
 but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

 What are you trying to do that Mozy doesn't do?

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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I use Cobian (use SFTP - SSL+FTP) and vsftpd for a $0 budget software
solution.

Cobian is an amazing program.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 Put it on my server, not someone else's.


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  I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking for,
  but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.
 
  What are you trying to do that Mozy doesn't do?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread os10rules
Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many  
different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I  
think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to  
fail?).

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking  
 for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

 It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
 It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
 It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup  
 program.
 It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


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Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads

2009-02-17 Thread Larry A Weidig
Thanks, but that only took me to a search page with 4,991
Matches.  That does not help narrow it down much, just slightly fewer
than a Google search produced :)  We are looking for ones that can snap
onto existing runs/terminations.  Thanks!

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Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads

http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?N=2105407

/ Eje

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Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads

Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these?
Thanks!

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Josh Luthman
While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to
fail...

Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there.

I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the
capability and locality of the data.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
 different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
 think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
 fail?).

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
  for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.
 
  It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
  It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
  It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
  program.
  It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Rsync =) works great got windows version available. Depending what your
looking at doing. Just have the clients backup their documents or do
complete machine backup for later restore (if the later then rsync is not
it). 

/ Eje

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Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:40 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking for, but
I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program.
It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread os10rules
Yeah, that too big to fail thing was a bit of a joke, but they  
probably have stronger fundamentals than Mozy.

The only thing I like about off site storage is you could have a  
devastating disaster (fire, hurricane/tornado etc) and lose it all.  
Amazon's S3 is probably in a different geographical region so at least  
your data would be safe.

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too  
 big to
 fail...

 Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is  
 there.

 I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to  
 the
 capability and locality of the data.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
 different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
 think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
 fail?).

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
 for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

 It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
 It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
 It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
 program.
 It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


 -
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer
in the US. Gone..

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to
fail...

Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there.

I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the
capability and locality of the data.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
 different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
 think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
 fail?).

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
  for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.
 
  It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
  It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
  It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
  program.
  It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Dylan Bouterse
IMO stay as far away from remote-backup.com's product as possible. We
bought into their front and it turned out to be a very unrefined product
that was cumbersome to install on the customer side and their support
was practically non-existent. I've heard of other people having success
with RBS but we dropped it and wrote off our losses after much
frustration.

Dylan

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:40 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking for,
but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
program.
It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Travis Johnson




Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots
and lots of "managers" walking around, while their pricing on computer
hardware was really, really high. Even during their clearance last
week, I went in and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the
clearance special ($200 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and
found the exact same laptop, brand new, online for $200 less than that
price. So they had a $400 markup on an $899 laptop? Seems a little
excessive to me.

Travis
Microserv

Eje Gustafsson wrote:

  True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer
in the US. Gone..

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to
fail...

Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there.

I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the
capability and locality of the data.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

  
  
Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
fail?).

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:



  I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
program.
It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Josh Luthman
If you can do rsync on Windows, do it.  Rsync in *nix is beautiful.

On 2/17/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and
 lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware
 was really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in
 and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special ($200
 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same laptop,
 brand new, online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup
 on an $899 laptop? Seems a little excessive to me.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Eje Gustafsson wrote:

 True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics
 retailer
 in the US. Gone..

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

 While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to
 fail...

 Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is
 there.

 I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the
 capability and locality of the data.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:



 Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
 different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
 think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
 fail?).

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:



 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
 for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

 It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
 It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
 It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
 program.
 It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com






 
 


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[WISPA] Great article on Brian's map

2009-02-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
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I especially liked the Verizon YouTube bit.  Very funny and probably oh so 
true!

Great write-up by Alex!
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Been doing it for a long time on my Laptop and work computer.. Actually how
I ensure my documents on the two are synced so I never have to search or
have duplicate documents on the two... 

Cwrsync - rsync for windows
http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

If you can do rsync on Windows, do it.  Rsync in *nix is beautiful.

On 2/17/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots
and
 lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer
hardware
 was really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in
 and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special
($200
 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same
laptop,
 brand new, online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup
 on an $899 laptop? Seems a little excessive to me.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Eje Gustafsson wrote:

 True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics
 retailer
 in the US. Gone..

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

 While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to
 fail...

 Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is
 there.

 I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the
 capability and locality of the data.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:



 Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
 different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
 think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
 fail?).

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:



 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
 for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

 It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
 It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
 It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
 program.
 It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread David Hulsebus
Mike, I've been using it for three years. The only issues I have had is 
that from time to time a customers backup stops working. We have to go 
out, delete the backup parameters and create a new backup set. I've had 
customers recover data and it's worked great. One took almost 10 hours 
to recover the entire document structure on  their server, she deleted 
it by mistake, but it worked.

We take a backup off site from here as well to a safety deposit box each 
day. I'll drop off last nights backup copied to removable USB drives, 
pick up the drives from the box and copy tonights backup in the morning 
to the drives I exchanged.

It's a data backup system, not a system backup utility. We use LoneTar 
on our linux systems -  and have never tried to load RBS on a linux box

David Hulsebus
Portative Technologies, LLC
www.portative.com

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 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking for, but 
 I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

 It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
 It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
 It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program.
 It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread Forbes Mercy

I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I used
Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
questions.

Forbes

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Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and 
places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into 
Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. 

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
 
   My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
Satan
 -hehehehe)
 
 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
afford. It
 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
and it
 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
of
 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
file a
 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
(with
 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
will
 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
abruptly
 :-)
 
  We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions
 
 Mac
 
 
 
 
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
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  What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
  Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
buy
  unnecessary policies.
  
  
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[WISPA] 900 CPE

2009-02-17 Thread Forbes Mercy
I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
to turn a lot of them down for trees.  I have a third slot in my
Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
then I need fairly inexpensive CPE.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
www.wabroadband.com
Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and 
places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into 
Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. 

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
 
   My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
Satan
 -hehehehe)
 
 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
afford. It
 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
and it
 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
of
 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
file a
 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
(with
 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
will
 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
abruptly
 :-)
 
  We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions
 
 Mac
 
 
 
 
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On
  Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
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  Subject: [WISPA] Insurance
  
  What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
  Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
buy
  unnecessary policies.
  
  
  --
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Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE

2009-02-17 Thread eje
Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds 
like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a 
better look. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE


I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
to turn a lot of them down for trees.  I have a third slot in my
Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
then I need fairly inexpensive CPE.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
www.wabroadband.com
Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and 
places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into 
Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. 

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
 
   My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
Satan
 -hehehehe)
 
 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
afford. It
 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
and it
 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
of
 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
file a
 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
(with
 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
will
 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
abruptly
 :-)
 
  We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions
 
 Mac
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
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On
  Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
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  Subject: [WISPA] Insurance
  
  What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
  Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
buy
  unnecessary policies.
  
  
  --
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
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[WISPA] Data retention and right to privacy - etc..

2009-02-17 Thread David Hulsebus
FYI

 From SANS NewsBites Vol.11 Num.13


--UK Plans to Consolidate Communication Data Retention
(February 13  16, 2009)
Rather than requiring every service provider in the UK to keep its own
user communication information to comply with European data retention
rules, the UK government plans to use BT and other high tier providers
to retain the data.  The move comes as a result of the government's
decision not to bear the burden of paying for each individual provider's
compliant data retention system.  UK draft laws require retention of IP
address and session data for 12 months.  The data retention scheme is
expected to cost taxpayers about GBP 46 million (US $65.7 million).
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/16/eu_data_retention_transposition/
http://www.vnunet.com/computing/news/2236479/retaining-communications-cost


Another newsbite

--Canadian Judge Rules Internet Users Have No Reasonable Expectation
  of Privacy
(February 13, 2009)
A judge in Canada has ruled that Internet users have no reasonable
expectation of privacy regarding records kept by their Internet service
providers (ISPs).  The ruling was made in the course of a child
pornography case in which law enforcement officers asked an ISP to
provide subscriber information for an IP address that was allegedly used
to access the content.  Bell Canada provided the information without a
warrant.  Most Canadian ISPs require warrants before they will provide
subscriber names, except in the case of child pornography.  Privacy
advocates are concerned the ruling could set a precedent that would put
individuals' entire surfing history at the disposal of law enforcement
authorities without the need for warrants.  They maintain the judge
operated under the faulty assumption that the information obtained from
the ISP is similar to what could be found in a telephone directory.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1283120
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Police+have+access+your+online+history/1286193/story.html
 

[Editor's Note (Northcutt): The ever dwindling right to privacy. Keep
in mind that ISPs want to collect information on user's surfing etc.,
so they can sell that data to marketing firms. Be sure to check out the
related FTC story elsewhere in this issue.
(Hoelzer): This topic will become more and more interesting legally
since in many jurisdictions governments are requiring that certain
records be kept; while the intent is good the potential for abuse toward
individuals unfriendly to a particular political point of view could
result in the end.  For example, consider the story out of the UK this
week moving to consolidate this type of data into top tier providers for
easier access and monitoring by government.]




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Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE

2009-02-17 Thread Scott Reed
My experience has been omni and 900 don't go well together.  Too much 
other 900ish stuff around I think.  But I have a lot of 900 clients with 
APs using sectors or yagis.
The WISP next to me has had good luck with omnis when he puts in a good 
notch filter to keep the adjacent noise out of the radio.


e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds 
 like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a 
 better look. 

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE


 I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
 town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
 to turn a lot of them down for trees.  I have a third slot in my
 Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
 then I need fairly inexpensive CPE.  Any ideas?

 Thanks,
 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 www.wabroadband.com
 Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of jp
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

 Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and 
 places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into 
 Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. 

 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
   
   My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
 
 Satan
   
 -hehehehe)

 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
 
 afford. It
   
 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
 
 and it
   
 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
 
 of
   
 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
 
 file a
   
 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
 
 (with
   
 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
 
 will
   
 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
 
 abruptly
   
 :-)

  We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

 Mac




 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   
 On
   
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
 To: WISPA List
 Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

 What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
 Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
   
 buy
   
 unnecessary policies.


 --
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




   
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet.   You should probably give 
some consideration to StarOS.   StarOS has an excellent industry 
standard mesh routing protocol built in - OLSR - and the popular X4000 
platform is very low cost (~$350 or so in a four radio configuration).  

I tried Mikrotik and went back to StarOS because I saw much better 
performance and maintainability for the wireless networks that I design 
and operate.   Actual StarOS documentation is kind of sparse, but it 
uses a lot of standard Linux packages (OSLR, OSPF, quagga, cbq, 
iptables) that are well documented.

Unfortunately, StarOS has not done a very good job of getting people 
trained or setting up good relationships with vendors, so you don't hear 
about it as much any more.   For what I do, it is better than Mikrotik 
and I'm very happy with it.

Matt Larsen
mlar...@inventivemedia.net


os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks!

 I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on  
 an old PC first.

 Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the  
 something very small and simple. Thanks for the push!

 Greg

 On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

   
 The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup.   
 If
 you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can
 see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic,  
 maybe.  lol.

 There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you
 can use Winbox for all configuration changes.  The web interface is  
 not
 the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line
 that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to
 implement it.  its not paste it in and magic happens.

 As far as making the leap, man I don't think so.  Eje I am sure would
 agree there?

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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
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 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mr. Burgess,

 What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making  
 too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

 Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


   
 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done  
 that
 and it works :)

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 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

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 From: 

Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE

2009-02-17 Thread Tom Sharples
By far the best results we've had are with the ARC 900mhz panel antennas, 
which blow away anything else we've tried. Also, keep them well away from 
any 2.4 stuff, if you're using Ubiquity sr or xr 900mhz cards which exhibit 
severe crosstalk on 2.4.

Tom Sharples
Qorvus Systems, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE


 My experience has been omni and 900 don't go well together.  Too much
 other 900ish stuff around I think.  But I have a lot of 900 clients with
 APs using sectors or yagis.
 The WISP next to me has had good luck with omnis when he puts in a good
 notch filter to keep the adjacent noise out of the radio.


 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise 
 sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES 
 units for a better look.

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE


 I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
 town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
 to turn a lot of them down for trees.  I have a third slot in my
 Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
 then I need fairly inexpensive CPE.  Any ideas?

 Thanks,
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 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
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 Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of jp
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

 Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
 places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
 Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.

 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:

   My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of

 Satan

 -hehehehe)

 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can

 afford. It

 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance

 and it

 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types

 of

 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to

 file a

 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that

 (with

 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it

 will

 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends

 abruptly

 :-)

  We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

 Mac





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 On

 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
 To: WISPA List
 Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

 What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
 Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't

 buy

 unnecessary policies.


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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread St. Louis Broadband
We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good.
 Although we have never had a claim.
Victoria

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:


 I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
 pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I used
 Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
 usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
 questions.

 Forbes

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of jp
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

 Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
 places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
 Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.

 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
 
My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
 Satan
  -hehehehe)
 
  When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
 afford. It
  has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
 and it
  has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
 of
  insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
 file a
  claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
  insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
 (with
  hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
 will
  appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
  someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
 abruptly
  :-)
 
   We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions
 
  Mac
 
 
 
 
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 On
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   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
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   Subject: [WISPA] Insurance
  
   What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
   Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
 buy
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread os10rules
Mr. Larsen,

Thanks. I've heard very good things about StarOS as well. It  
certainly has it's devotees. But as you mentioned Valemount doesn't  
have the presence in the marketplace that Mikrotik has and that makes  
me wonder what kind of position Valemount will be in a number of years  
down the road. I don't change my equipment because of growing demand,  
I tend to use it till its end of life so I think about long term  
support and firmware updates etc.

I will give StarOS a good look before I make any decision.

I'm hoping that as the Ubiquiti line matures they'll incorporate some  
of the better features of RouterOS and StarOS though maybe they plan  
to just stay in the simple AP and CPE market rather that compete head  
to head with Mikrotik and Valemount.

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet.   You should probably give
 some consideration to StarOS.   StarOS has an excellent industry
 standard mesh routing protocol built in - OLSR - and the popular X4000
 platform is very low cost (~$350 or so in a four radio configuration).

 I tried Mikrotik and went back to StarOS because I saw much better
 performance and maintainability for the wireless networks that I  
 design
 and operate.   Actual StarOS documentation is kind of sparse, but it
 uses a lot of standard Linux packages (OSLR, OSPF, quagga, cbq,
 iptables) that are well documented.

 Unfortunately, StarOS has not done a very good job of getting people
 trained or setting up good relationships with vendors, so you don't  
 hear
 about it as much any more.   For what I do, it is better than Mikrotik
 and I'm very happy with it.

 Matt Larsen
 mlar...@inventivemedia.net


 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks!

 I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version  
 on
 an old PC first.

 Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the
 something very small and simple. Thanks for the push!

 Greg

 On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


 The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup.
 If
 you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I  
 can
 see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic,
 maybe.  lol.

 There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said,  
 you
 can use Winbox for all configuration changes.  The web interface is
 not
 the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on- 
 line
 that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how  
 to
 implement it.  its not paste it in and magic happens.

 As far as making the leap, man I don't think so.  Eje I am sure  
 would
 agree there?

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 Mr. Burgess,

What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it  
 appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I  
 don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a  
 highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making
 too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for  
 free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make  
 the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions  
 such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not  
 that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:



 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done
 that
 and it works :)

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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread Rick Harnish
We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the
past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs.  Butch
Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out
details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost.
More as soon as we get additional details.

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good.
 Although we have never had a claim.
Victoria

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:


 I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
 pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I used
 Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
 usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
 questions.

 Forbes

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of jp
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

 Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
 places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
 Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.

 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
 
My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
 Satan
  -hehehehe)
 
  When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
 afford. It
  has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
 and it
  has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
 of
  insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
 file a
  claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
  insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
 (with
  hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
 will
  appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
  someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
 abruptly
  :-)
 
   We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions
 
  Mac
 
 
 
 
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 On
   Behalf Of Mike Hammett
   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
   To: WISPA List
   Subject: [WISPA] Insurance
  
   What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
   Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
 buy
   unnecessary policies.
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Jerry Richardson
The opposite - it's so new it's not the website. 

Streakwave has them on their site but I don't know availability.

Your ghetto mesh might work. It's cheap enough to order some up and test
the theory. 
 
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airCloud Communications

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Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Jerry-
Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported?  I couldn't find
anything on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few
distributors have this product in stock.  Deliberant is in the same
enclosure as OSBridge uses for their full duplex backhauls.

It'd be cool to combo a bullet5 and pico hp2 with a crossover harness
that injects power where the bullet5 + omni would BH the devices and the
pico would provide service to end users.  Seems like you'd get a ghetto
mesh for ~130/node.

Thanks,
`S

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

I just went through this exercise - spent hours looking at various
options.

Deliberant and Engenius are the two options I arrived at. These seemed
like the best price/performance to me and are refined enough to be
easily supported. It's not true Mesh but rather WDS distribution via
radio 1 and client access on radio 2
- Engenius EOC-7550 Dual radio AP (4 SSID/VLAN) - 199 - cheesy omni's
included I think
- Deliberant DUO Dual radio AP (16 SSID/VLAN) - 349 - no antennas

If you can get away with a single radio WDS setup, then the costs drop
through the floor - Sprinkle them around like chicklets:
- Ubiquity Pico, Nano, etc - 49 and up
- Engenius - copy cats - 49 and up
- Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT
- etc

If it really needs to be mesh then the two lowest cost options I found
are:
- MikroTik with two radios - 349/kit assembled - no antennas
- Ligowave DUO and Quad - 1k and up - no antennas



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for
kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet
and have some fun.

I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked
good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping there is was
a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a
recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT).
Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool.  How about the
Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh?  Very
new to mesh - thanks in advance.

`S

PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it
can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT.
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Good, my liability (with rider for some gear) just went from $2200 a
year to $3100 a year. I need to do some shopping.

Brian

Rick Harnish wrote:

  We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the
past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs.  Butch
Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out
details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost.
More as soon as we get additional details.

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good.
 Although we have never had a claim.
Victoria

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

  
  
I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I used
Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
questions.

Forbes

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:


My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
  

Satan


  -hehehehe)

When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
  

afford. It


  has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
  

and it


  has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
  

of


  insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
  

file a


  claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
  

(with


  hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
  

will


  appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
  

abruptly


  :-)

 We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

Mac




  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  

On


  
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
To: WISPA List
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't

  

buy


  
unnecessary policies.


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Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE

2009-02-17 Thread Blair Davis




I am testing out this idea right now. 

Using xr9 cards...

I'll post my results...

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

  Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a better look. 

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From: "Forbes Mercy" forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE


I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
to turn a lot of them down for trees.  I have a third slot in my
Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
then I need fairly inexpensive CPE.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
www.wabroadband.com
Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and 
places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into 
Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. 

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
  
  
  My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of

  
  Satan
  
  
-hehehehe)

When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can

  
  afford. It
  
  
has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance

  
  and it
  
  
has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types

  
  of
  
  
insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to

  
  file a
  
  
claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that

  
  (with
  
  
hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it

  
  will
  
  
appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends

  
  abruptly
  
  
:-)

 We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

Mac






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  On
  
  

  Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
To: WISPA List
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
  

  
  buy
  
  

  unnecessary policies.


--
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Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE

2009-02-17 Thread George Rogato
And you may want to do yourself a favor and  try to not use an omni.


Forbes Mercy wrote:
 I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
 town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
 to turn a lot of them down for trees.  I have a third slot in my
 Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
 then I need fairly inexpensive CPE.  Any ideas?
 
 Thanks,
 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 www.wabroadband.com
 Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of jp
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance
 
 Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and 
 places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into 
 Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. 
 
 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
   My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
 Satan
 -hehehehe)

 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
 afford. It
 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
 and it
 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
 of
 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
 file a
 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
 (with
 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
 will
 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
 abruptly
 :-)

  We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

 Mac




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
 To: WISPA List
 Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

 What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
 Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
 buy
 unnecessary policies.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
I have not heard anything from Chubb indicating this. Are they not taking
new customers or getting rid of existing ones also?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance


I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I used
Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
questions.

Forbes




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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Thanks board members. I feel that this sort of service set will help  
WISPA members quite a bit.

ryan


D. Ryan Spott
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On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has  
 spent the
 past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs.   
 Butch
 Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to  
 work out
 details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal  
 cost.
 More as soon as we get additional details.

 Rick Harnish

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

 We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very  
 good.
 Although we have never had a claim.
 Victoria

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:


 I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
 pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I  
 used
 Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
 usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
 questions.

 Forbes

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of jp
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

 Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
 places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
 Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.

 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:

  My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
 Satan
 -hehehehe)

 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
 afford. It
 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
 and it
 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other  
 types
 of
 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
 file a
 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't  
 need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
 (with
 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim  
 and it
 will
 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time  
 when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
 abruptly
 :-)

 We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

 Mac




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
 To: WISPA List
 Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

 What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
 Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
 buy
 unnecessary policies.


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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread RickG
Well, it has a hot spot option, so maybe a cold spot option can be
in the next version :)
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
sc...@velociter.net wrote:
 Does MT make ice cream?  If they did, it would be the BEST!

 Haha,
 `S

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:26 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

 hmmm. ice cream

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 Harold Bledsoe wrote:
 Or ice cream.  :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800

 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's
 like happiness - there are many flavors...

 Harold Bledsoe wrote:


 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

  What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

  Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:




 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread RickG
There are pluses  minuses to each platform (Mikrotik  StarOS), but
if you want simple, StarOS is it.
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists
li...@manageisp.com wrote:
 Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet.   You should probably give
 some consideration to StarOS.   StarOS has an excellent industry
 standard mesh routing protocol built in - OLSR - and the popular X4000
 platform is very low cost (~$350 or so in a four radio configuration).

 I tried Mikrotik and went back to StarOS because I saw much better
 performance and maintainability for the wireless networks that I design
 and operate.   Actual StarOS documentation is kind of sparse, but it
 uses a lot of standard Linux packages (OSLR, OSPF, quagga, cbq,
 iptables) that are well documented.

 Unfortunately, StarOS has not done a very good job of getting people
 trained or setting up good relationships with vendors, so you don't hear
 about it as much any more.   For what I do, it is better than Mikrotik
 and I'm very happy with it.

 Matt Larsen
 mlar...@inventivemedia.net


 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks!

 I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on
 an old PC first.

 Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the
 something very small and simple. Thanks for the push!

 Greg

 On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


 The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup.
 If
 you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can
 see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic,
 maybe.  lol.

 There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you
 can use Winbox for all configuration changes.  The web interface is
 not
 the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line
 that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to
 implement it.  its not paste it in and magic happens.

 As far as making the leap, man I don't think so.  Eje I am sure would
 agree there?

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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
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 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mr. Burgess,

 What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making
 too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

 Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:



 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done
 that
 and it works :)

 * ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Scottie Arnett
Well said David. I learned of Mikrotik about 3 years ago. There is so much, 
that I am still learning. It is very useful for many things, more than I care 
to mention, for sure when it is many  less than any other solution that can 
do what it does that it is available in the USA. Keep in mind that the 
developers are in Latvia... our  are many more than theirs(or was!) So they 
get paid well when you license the product!

The doc's are behind somewhat, but I keep behind as far as they do on new 
upgrades(for the most part). It does so much more than anything else, I can't 
afford not to use it!

Just my observance.

Scottie 

-- Original Message --
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:15:56 -0600

os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

  What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online.

The Web interface is kinda a joke, but the preferred GUI is probably 
Winbox anyway. Winbox is a small proprietary (and Windows-only) 
utility, that you can download via the Web interface, that exposes most 
functionality.

The documentation on Mikrotik's Web site is actually pretty thorough, 
with the caveat that it's always about one version behind. The wiki 
isn't the best, but it has a few clever tricks here and there.

Mikrotik RouterOS's greatest strength is that you can do just about 
anything with it - the same device can do routing, firewalling, traffic 
shaping, BGP, wireless access, wireless client, RADIUS, and about 873 
other things. Its greatest weakness is that you can do just about 
anything with it ...

Fortunately, just about everything is turned off by default, and you can 
usually just ignore the features you're not using. :)

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Scottie Arnett
Grow some. I did. There is lots of doc's out there. You just have to take some 
time to learn it. Just like anything else...learning to ride a bike for 
example. It takes trials and tribulations. My company is a two man crew. I took 
time to learn much about MT, but not all yet...I still have days we are sitting 
around tweedling our thumbs, I use it to learn something new about Tik! And not 
messing with our secretary...J/K!

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:52:46 -0800

**sigh**  So anyhow, about my chest hair..

`S

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Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks!

I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on
an old PC first.

Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the
something very small and simple. Thanks for the push!

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup.
 If
 you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can
 see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic,
 maybe.  lol.

 There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you
 can use Winbox for all configuration changes.  The web interface is
 not
 the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line
 that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to
 implement it.  its not paste it in and magic happens.

 As far as making the leap, man I don't think so.  Eje I am sure would
 agree there?

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 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Burgess,

  What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making
 too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

  Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done
 that
 and it works :)

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: 

Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I do have my off site servers and am working on out-of-region servers.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
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http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:58 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

 Yeah, that too big to fail thing was a bit of a joke, but they
 probably have stronger fundamentals than Mozy.

 The only thing I like about off site storage is you could have a
 devastating disaster (fire, hurricane/tornado etc) and lose it all.
 Amazon's S3 is probably in a different geographical region so at least
 your data would be safe.

 Greg

 On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too
 big to
 fail...

 Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is
 there.

 I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to
 the
 capability and locality of the data.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
 different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
 think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
 fail?).

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
 for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

 It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
 It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
 It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
 program.
 It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

2009-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Indeed.  I went there a few weeks ago.  There were things I literally paid 1/6 
of the price for elsewhere from reputable places.  Made me not to want to look 
at any of their other products (TVs, etc.).


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From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:04 PM
To: e...@wisp-router.com ; WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread


Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and 
lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware was 
really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in and found 
an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special ($200 off normal 
price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same laptop, brand new, 
online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup on an $899 
laptop? Seems a little excessive to me.

Travis
Microserv

Eje Gustafsson wrote: 
True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer
in the US. Gone..

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread

While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to
fail...

Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there.

I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the
capability and locality of the data.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

  Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
fail?).

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm looking at remote-backup.com.  It seems to be what I'm looking
for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.

It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup
program.
It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




  


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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Scottie Arnett
I am not sure if Deliberant(ligowave) uses polling yet on this platform, I know 
that Engenius follows suit of all Senao happeningsBut I do know that 
OSBridge uses polling on their 2.4 Wifi mac! If you know anything about a 2.4 
wifi mac that you will need polling of some sort to get anymore than 25 to 50 
customers on it, and that is if you are lucky. You can use MT Nstreme and do 
it, or OSBridge, if you want more than 20 to 30 on an AP, you are asking for 
trouble without using polling(and someone in the hidden node area).

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:58:12 -0800

Jerry-
Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported?  I couldn't find 
anything on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few distributors 
have this product in stock.  Deliberant is in the same enclosure as OSBridge 
uses for their full duplex backhauls.

It'd be cool to combo a bullet5 and pico hp2 with a crossover harness that 
injects power where the bullet5 + omni would BH the devices and the pico would 
provide service to end users.  Seems like you'd get a ghetto mesh for 
~130/node.

Thanks,
`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

I just went through this exercise - spent hours looking at various options.

Deliberant and Engenius are the two options I arrived at. These seemed like 
the best price/performance to me and are refined enough to be easily 
supported. It's not true Mesh but rather WDS distribution via radio 1 and 
client access on radio 2
- Engenius EOC-7550 Dual radio AP (4 SSID/VLAN) - 199 - cheesy omni's included 
I think
- Deliberant DUO Dual radio AP (16 SSID/VLAN) - 349 - no antennas

If you can get away with a single radio WDS setup, then the costs drop through 
the floor - Sprinkle them around like chicklets:
- Ubiquity Pico, Nano, etc - 49 and up
- Engenius - copy cats - 49 and up
- Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT
- etc

If it really needs to be mesh then the two lowest cost options I found
are:
- MikroTik with two radios - 349/kit assembled - no antennas
- Ligowave DUO and Quad - 1k and up - no antennas



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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for 
kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have 
some fun.

I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good 
enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping there is was a turn-key 
solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on 
how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT).
Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP 
- is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - 
thanks in advance.

`S

PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can 
save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT.
(:




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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Scottie Arnett
Too give credit where credit is due...did not a university do this to begin 
with that worked really well...and all other versions are built on it?

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: e...@wisp-router.com
Reply-To: e...@wisp-router.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:36:32 +

MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of 
using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
to give high performance.

On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
outdoor selections).

I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
are getting!

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 

Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!

2009-02-17 Thread Scottie Arnett

Thanks Frank, You made available to all of WISPA as I have been crying about 
for so long. There are places where broadband actually exist from one provider, 
but its not cheap! Many of you provide underserved or no service areas, but way 
more than we charge! The question of service goes beyond the availability, but 
if they have a choice! We have customers come to us every day that have cell 
phone coverage, that do not want the rural coop telco(many of you do nat have 
those...and honestly do not wnat those) for telco and broadband...why? The only 
way they can get broadband is from DSL, and with that they HAVE to have a telco 
line! We do not have service in their area yet. We can not afford to build it 
out to all places that have no choice or want a choice! I am sure that many 
more of you are in far worse conditions than we are...but the conditions remain 
the sameas long as the gov supports our competition and not us, we face 
stronger competition!

The ACT that prevented us WISP from getting access to those dry lines was the 
The Tauzin-Dingell Telecom Bill. When it passed we as ISP's were no longer 
allowed access to the dry copper loops as what the Telco's were offering DSL 
on. They were also given free access to providing FIBER to the home under that 
rule that gave US ALL(any established or new ISP) an unfair advantage to do the 
same ... as all Telcos could reject the right of any entity of using their 
fiber.

AND...we are still fighting it today! Look it up, whether you are urban or 
rural...it still affects you! The gov't WILL FAVOR WHOEVER PAYS IT THE MOST, 
just as it has always been.

Scottie
In rural Tennessee 



-- Original Message --
From: Frank Muto frank.m...@secureemailplus.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:35:19 -0500

* Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone  know 
the precise definition of that term in this 
context?)

Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As 
you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus 
refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information 
directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or 
someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural 
communities.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE
Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United 
States Department of Agriculture for broadband 
direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural 
Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and 
for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of the 
United States notwithstanding title VI of the 
Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of the 
area served by the projects receiving funds from 
such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without sufficient 
access to high speed broadband service to 
facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary: 
Provided further, That priority for awarding funds 
made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide 
service to the highest proportion of rural 
residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided 
further, That priority for awarding such funds 
shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the 
application is approved, all project elements will be 
fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be 
given to activities that can commence promptly 
following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a 
report on planned spending and actual obligations 
describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of 
enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter 
until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the 
House of Representatives and the Senate.


Rural Electrification Act of 1936
http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm

SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as 
provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to 
mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any 
urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the 
Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm 
population thereof; the term farm shall be 
deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the 
Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean 
any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory 
shall be deemed to include any insular possession 
of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the 
Secretary of Agriculture.

[May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776, §2, 
63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 
103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct.