Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
A new movement started after Meraki turned to the dark-side a few years ago Open Mesh Picks Up Where Meraki Left Off As in, dirt cheap mesh networking gear for communities A new mesh-networking project by the co-founder of NetEquality and the developer of mesh-networking management software might give Meraki a run for their money. Well perhaps not, but at least they're taking aim at the low-cost Wi-Fi market Meraki targeted before recent business decisions threw their original promise off course. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Open-Mesh-Picks-Up-Where-Meraki-Left-Off-92532 More info on Open Mesh http://www.open-mesh.com/store/ -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet
Right. You don't was to be the cause of a "runner" the next time they vacuum. Brian John Scrivner wrote: Carpet has a grain. You cut a slit a few inches long along the grain. You can pull the carpet up over the bit, run the bit slowly and prevent creating runs in the carpet. Scriv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM, John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Is there any reason you don't just cut an X in the carpter and then trim it? John -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:j...@scrivner.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 08:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet You need to use a sharp razor knife to cut a slit about 3 inches long along the grain of the carpet. Then hold the carpet to the side as you drill. Scriv On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the threads? I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit. I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it doesnt catch the carpet. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router
We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users. Can I have separate HTML? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router
Yes. Setup the directory structure. Put in the files. Set the new hotspot to point to the new structure in the Hotspot server profile. You can also setup a virtual AP on the exisiting radio and connect the new hotspot to it. Mark McElvy wrote: We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users. Can I have separate HTML? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router
Yes. Just specify a different html directory for the new hotspot server and upload your other design to that folder on the MT. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc --Original Message-- From: Mark McElvy Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: Mikrotik discussions To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router Sent: Feb 17, 2009 08:00 We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users. Can I have separate HTML? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. The Web interface is kinda a joke, but the preferred GUI is probably Winbox anyway. Winbox is a small proprietary (and Windows-only) utility, that you can download via the Web interface, that exposes most functionality. The documentation on Mikrotik's Web site is actually pretty thorough, with the caveat that it's always about one version behind. The wiki isn't the best, but it has a few clever tricks here and there. Mikrotik RouterOS's greatest strength is that you can do just about anything with it - the same device can do routing, firewalling, traffic shaping, BGP, wireless access, wireless client, RADIUS, and about 873 other things. Its greatest weakness is that you can do just about anything with it ... Fortunately, just about everything is turned off by default, and you can usually just ignore the features you're not using. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic and not very straight forward. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
One of the big things with MT as David said, is that normally people are used to doing routing on one device. Now you have 800+ things it can do. Putting it all together is the hard part. I do a training class on-line, that is designed to teach everything about RouterOS. We teach TCP/IP, routing, and how data flows as well. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic and not very straight forward. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks! I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on an old PC first. Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the something very small and simple. Thanks for the push! Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which !=
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
It's called survival. We've all been put into a bad position through no fault of our own. Since we have no control, all we can do it react. You cant blame someone for that. -RickG On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Businesses come and go too Mark. Because we don't like it or think it's a good idea for the country doesn't make this wrong in a moral or ethical sense. I agree that this package is going to end up doing more harm than good. That knowledge won't stop anyone from spending the money though. It's going to go out the door. And the more of it that comes to me, the better it'll be. *I* can make sure that whatever part I get ahold of is used for the good of my community. My competition may not be so honorable. By taking the grant funds I can minimize the damage this program will do. That's the smart thing to do. It's also the right and honorable thing to do. The only catch is to watch out for any strings that may be attached. We don't want to take money and use it to build things that aren't long term sustainable. It's like this Mark. I find a bag (hell, I STEAL the bag) full of money from a drug pusher. He's already gotten the money. If he keeps it he'll spend it in ways that will enrich his drug empire. If I spend it I'll use it to enrich my family and my community. Think I'm likely to give the money back to the bad guy? We tried to do what was right and stop this madness. But the deal is now done. All we can do from here is minimize the damage. Heck, we don't even be able to undo it, the money has to be handed out before the next election cycle. It sucks, but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my community comes out of this in the best shape possible. That means that *I* get as much money as I can, not the telco that's based on the other side of the country. marlon - Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say it should not be done and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
**sigh** So anyhow, about my chest hair.. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks! I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on an old PC first. Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the something very small and simple. Thanks for the push! Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Jerry- Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported? I couldn't find anything on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few distributors have this product in stock. Deliberant is in the same enclosure as OSBridge uses for their full duplex backhauls. It'd be cool to combo a bullet5 and pico hp2 with a crossover harness that injects power where the bullet5 + omni would BH the devices and the pico would provide service to end users. Seems like you'd get a ghetto mesh for ~130/node. Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks I just went through this exercise - spent hours looking at various options. Deliberant and Engenius are the two options I arrived at. These seemed like the best price/performance to me and are refined enough to be easily supported. It's not true Mesh but rather WDS distribution via radio 1 and client access on radio 2 - Engenius EOC-7550 Dual radio AP (4 SSID/VLAN) - 199 - cheesy omni's included I think - Deliberant DUO Dual radio AP (16 SSID/VLAN) - 349 - no antennas If you can get away with a single radio WDS setup, then the costs drop through the floor - Sprinkle them around like chicklets: - Ubiquity Pico, Nano, etc - 49 and up - Engenius - copy cats - 49 and up - Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT - etc If it really needs to be mesh then the two lowest cost options I found are: - MikroTik with two radios - 349/kit assembled - no antennas - Ligowave DUO and Quad - 1k and up - no antennas __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Mr. Bledsoe, I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book. Would you concur? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want
[WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and which will almost certainly be signed by President Obama today. You find the most interesting things just by keyword-searching for broadband * The mad money totals an even seven billion dollars, which is only available until September 2010. * The Department of Agriculture, who have been somewhat friendly to WISPs in the past, appears to get control of most of that money. * Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) * Within one year, the FCC is mandated to complete a rulemaking to develop a national broadband plan. /* There will be a new IRS tax credit for broadband: 10% of your expenses if you provide current-generation service (which means 5Mbps down/1Mbps up for wireline, 3Mbps down/768kbps up for wireless), 20% for next-generation service (100Mbps down/20Mbps up, regardless of medium), for gear deployed between 1/1/09 and 12/31/11./ Remember to say please and thank-you to your accountant. Even if you don't like taking grant money, think it's inappropriate for the government to give it away, whatever, the tax credit looks promising. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
I think you are making the point that "mesh" is a very broad term; it's like "happiness" - there are many flavors... Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a "good" mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
David, Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask, one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more! I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and which will almost certainly be signed by President Obama today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
From experience this is not how the bridging used in MikroTik and its WDS setup is doing. It only forward the traffic where it needs to go. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Bledsoe, I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book. Would you concur? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
Blake Bowers wrote: Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask, one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million. As sure as I can be - I just cut-and-pasted the whole thing from THOMAS. (Go to thomas.loc.gov, search for bill number HR1, click Text of Legislation, then look through either of the last two revisions. Revision 6, Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate, is much easier to read, as it doesn't start with a hundred pages of strike out every last word from the previous version of this bill.) My Congress-fu is a bit weak, but I'm reasonably certain this is the version of the bill that's been signed by both branches of Congress and passed up to the President. Even if I'm wrong, there don't appear to be any major revisions in the broadband sections. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
I'd say that the issue is not really related to WDS but the fact that WDS is just a way to connect APs peer to peer. There needs to be some sort of intelligence on top of that that chooses channels, paths, etc. Something more than STP or any other algorithm that doesn't understand wireless. :) Then even if the algorithm understands wireless, if you are using a single radio solution, there is considerable throughput lost per hop due to this. So ideally you would dedicate wireless interfaces to each task of uplink, downlink, and serving customer (except the gateway that has a wired uplink). That's my take on it. -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 -0430 Mr. Bledsoe, I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book. Would you concur? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Or ice cream. :) -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's like happiness - there are many flavors... Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Agreed Eje. Works great. There are lots of options etc. Also, as you have hear, mesh is just another 4-letter word in my book. You can have a routed mesh, or you can use some of the other definitions including MME, etc. What you really need to find out is how and what you are going to deliver. Delivering 200k vs megs will make you change the hardware and requirements that you have. It may also change the design. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
hmmm. ice cream * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Harold Bledsoe wrote: Or ice cream. :) -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's like happiness - there are many flavors... Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
* Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural communities. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United States Department of Agriculture for broadband direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of the United States notwithstanding title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of the area served by the projects receiving funds from such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without sufficient access to high speed broadband service to facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary: Provided further, That priority for awarding funds made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide service to the highest proportion of rural residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the application is approved, all project elements will be fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to activities that can commence promptly following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a report on planned spending and actual obligations describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Rural Electrification Act of 1936 http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm population thereof; the term farm shall be deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory shall be deemed to include any insular possession of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the Secretary of Agriculture. [May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776, §2, 63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct. 13, 1994, Public Law 103-354, Title II, Subtitle C, §235(a)(6), 108 Stat. 3221; 7 U.S.C.913.] SEC. 203. DEFINITION OF TELEPHONE SERVICE AND RURAL AREA.-(a) As used in this title, the term telephone service shall be deemed to mean any communication service for the transmission or reception of voice, data, sounds, signals, pictures, writing, or signs of all kinds by wire, fiber, radio, light, or other visual or electromagnetic means, and shall include all telephone lines, facilities, or systems used in the rendition of such service; but shall not be deemed to mean message telegram service or community antenna television system services or facilities other than those intended exclusively for educational purposes, or radio broadcasting services or facilities within the meaning of section 3(o) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. (b) As used in this title, the term rural area shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any incorporated or unincorporated city, village, or borough having a population in excess of 5000 inhabitants. [Oct. 28, 1949, ch. 776, §5, 63 Stat. 948; Oct. 23, 1962, Public Law 87-862, 76 Stat. 1140; Nov. 28, 1990, Public Law 101-624, Title XXIII, Subtitle F, ch. 2, §2354, 104 Stat. 4039; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(5), 107 Stat. 1364; 7 U.S.C. 924.] Frank Muto - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more! I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm This is the version
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B, making it a bit over 1000 pages. Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband www.stlbroadband.com On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: Blake Bowers wrote: Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask, one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million. As sure as I can be - I just cut-and-pasted the whole thing from THOMAS. (Go to thomas.loc.gov, search for bill number HR1, click Text of Legislation, then look through either of the last two revisions. Revision 6, Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate, is much easier to read, as it doesn't start with a hundred pages of strike out every last word from the previous version of this bill.) My Congress-fu is a bit weak, but I'm reasonably certain this is the version of the bill that's been signed by both branches of Congress and passed up to the President. Even if I'm wrong, there don't appear to be any major revisions in the broadband sections. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
Frank, you are correct. I spent my entire weekend on it...and ended up crosseyed ;-) Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Frank Muto frank.m...@secureemailplus.com wrote: * Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural communities. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United States Department of Agriculture for broadband direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of the United States notwithstanding title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of the area served by the projects receiving funds from such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without sufficient access to high speed broadband service to facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary: Provided further, That priority for awarding funds made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide service to the highest proportion of rural residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the application is approved, all project elements will be fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to activities that can commence promptly following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a report on planned spending and actual obligations describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Rural Electrification Act of 1936 http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm population thereof; the term farm shall be deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory shall be deemed to include any insular possession of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the Secretary of Agriculture. [May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776, §2, 63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct. 13, 1994, Public Law 103-354, Title II, Subtitle C, §235(a)(6), 108 Stat. 3221; 7 U.S.C.913.] SEC. 203. DEFINITION OF TELEPHONE SERVICE AND RURAL AREA.-(a) As used in this title, the term telephone service shall be deemed to mean any communication service for the transmission or reception of voice, data, sounds, signals, pictures, writing, or signs of all kinds by wire, fiber, radio, light, or other visual or electromagnetic means, and shall include all telephone lines, facilities, or systems used in the rendition of such service; but shall not be deemed to mean message telegram service or community antenna television system services or facilities other than those intended exclusively for educational purposes, or radio broadcasting services or facilities within the meaning of section 3(o) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. (b) As used in this title, the term rural area shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any incorporated or unincorporated city, village, or borough having a population in excess of 5000 inhabitants. [Oct. 28, 1949, ch. 776, §5, 63 Stat. 948; Oct. 23, 1962, Public Law 87-862, 76 Stat. 1140; Nov. 28, 1990, Public Law 101-624, Title XXIII, Subtitle F, ch. 2, §2354, 104 Stat. 4039; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(5), 107 Stat. 1364; 7 U.S.C. 924.] Frank Muto - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more! I made a copy of the stimulus bill's
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Does MT make ice cream? If they did, it would be the BEST! Haha, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks hmmm. ice cream * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Harold Bledsoe wrote: Or ice cream. :) -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's like happiness - there are many flavors... Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
You DO NOT have to use a CLI to do firewalling nowadays. Cisco has the SDM for routers, and the ASDM for ASA's. John -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 07:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic and not very straight forward. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Don't help if don't have the latest IOS firmware I would think. I must say I haven't used Cisco for a long time (replaced with ImageStream) and the few times I had to help customer that had a cisco that needed some configuration changes to deal with the internal routing we help setup with MikroTik it was always it seemed an older firmware and they customer know very little more then the username and password and ips to get in to the cisco. But glad Cisco is coming to the 21st century with decent provisioning tools and configuration tools which I been spoiled with Mikrotik every since I first started using it almost hmm 7 years ago. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:36:31 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks You DO NOT have to use a CLI to do firewalling nowadays. Cisco has the SDM for routers, and the ASDM for ASA's. John -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 07:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic and not very straight forward. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
St. Louis Broadband wrote: That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B, making it a bit over 1000 pages. I think you're right, though it doesn't change the numbers too much. I always forget about the distinctions in different types of engrossed bills, and the relative silliness of how Congress handles joint-committees. I've fixed my previous link by replacing it with links to the two PDFs that make up the conferenced version of the bill. Feel free to mooch, the House Rules committee Web site has been a bit sluggish for me all day. The committee version still allocates $7.2B, just split up a bit differently. Sadly, my favorite portion of the bill, the broadband deployment tax credit, seems to have disappeared. I think I'll go start drinking now, and I apologize for all the unintended noise on the list. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CPNI filing. Do you have any VoIP?
Hi All, I've verified, as accurately as I can, that anyone that's billing for VoIP services has to deal with this. Here is some information that I got from the FCC. This document contains a 1-page template for the annual CPNI certification: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-171A1.doc And here is a link that explains the CPNI requirements: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-1321A1.doc I'm not going to even mess with this. I'll have Steve Coran take care of it for us. At least as much of it as possible. At first I didn't think this applied to us as we don't ever even see the billing detail etc. All we do is drop off an ATA and then bill the customer for his monthly service. Apparently that's all it takes. sigh Have fun, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
There is some important wording though. For instance, for the TOP program they included small and disadvantage businesses.I am hoping because of that, the big guys have a disadvantage over us small guys that have been out there for years. Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: St. Louis Broadband wrote: That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B, making it a bit over 1000 pages. I think you're right, though it doesn't change the numbers too much. I always forget about the distinctions in different types of engrossed bills, and the relative silliness of how Congress handles joint-committees. I've fixed my previous link by replacing it with links to the two PDFs that make up the conferenced version of the bill. Feel free to mooch, the House Rules committee Web site has been a bit sluggish for me all day. The committee version still allocates $7.2B, just split up a bit differently. Sadly, my favorite portion of the bill, the broadband deployment tax credit, seems to have disappeared. I think I'll go start drinking now, and I apologize for all the unintended noise on the list. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads
Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these? Thanks! * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?N=2105407 / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these? Thanks! * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Another online backup thread
I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. What are you trying to do that Mozy doesn't do? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Put it on my server, not someone else's. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. What are you trying to do that Mozy doesn't do? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
I use Cobian (use SFTP - SSL+FTP) and vsftpd for a $0 budget software solution. Cobian is an amazing program. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Put it on my server, not someone else's. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. What are you trying to do that Mozy doesn't do? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads
Thanks, but that only took me to a search page with 4,991 Matches. That does not help narrow it down much, just slightly fewer than a Google search produced :) We are looking for ones that can snap onto existing runs/terminations. Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?N=2105407 / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these? Thanks! * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Rsync =) works great got windows version available. Depending what your looking at doing. Just have the clients backup their documents or do complete machine backup for later restore (if the later then rsync is not it). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Another online backup thread I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Yeah, that too big to fail thing was a bit of a joke, but they probably have stronger fundamentals than Mozy. The only thing I like about off site storage is you could have a devastating disaster (fire, hurricane/tornado etc) and lose it all. Amazon's S3 is probably in a different geographical region so at least your data would be safe. Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer in the US. Gone.. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
IMO stay as far away from remote-backup.com's product as possible. We bought into their front and it turned out to be a very unrefined product that was cumbersome to install on the customer side and their support was practically non-existent. I've heard of other people having success with RBS but we dropped it and wrote off our losses after much frustration. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Another online backup thread I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1937 - Release Date: 02/06/09 11:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and lots of "managers" walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware was really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special ($200 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same laptop, brand new, online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup on an $899 laptop? Seems a little excessive to me. Travis Microserv Eje Gustafsson wrote: True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer in the US. Gone.. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
If you can do rsync on Windows, do it. Rsync in *nix is beautiful. On 2/17/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware was really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special ($200 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same laptop, brand new, online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup on an $899 laptop? Seems a little excessive to me. Travis Microserv Eje Gustafsson wrote: True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer in the US. Gone.. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Great article on Brian's map
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/politics/2009/wireless+map+form+477.html I especially liked the Verizon YouTube bit. Very funny and probably oh so true! Great write-up by Alex! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Been doing it for a long time on my Laptop and work computer.. Actually how I ensure my documents on the two are synced so I never have to search or have duplicate documents on the two... Cwrsync - rsync for windows http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread If you can do rsync on Windows, do it. Rsync in *nix is beautiful. On 2/17/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware was really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special ($200 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same laptop, brand new, online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup on an $899 laptop? Seems a little excessive to me. Travis Microserv Eje Gustafsson wrote: True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer in the US. Gone.. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Mike, I've been using it for three years. The only issues I have had is that from time to time a customers backup stops working. We have to go out, delete the backup parameters and create a new backup set. I've had customers recover data and it's worked great. One took almost 10 hours to recover the entire document structure on their server, she deleted it by mistake, but it worked. We take a backup off site from here as well to a safety deposit box each day. I'll drop off last nights backup copied to removable USB drives, pick up the drives from the box and copy tonights backup in the morning to the drives I exchanged. It's a data backup system, not a system backup utility. We use LoneTar on our linux systems - and have never tried to load RBS on a linux box David Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900 CPE
I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE
Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a better look. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Data retention and right to privacy - etc..
FYI From SANS NewsBites Vol.11 Num.13 --UK Plans to Consolidate Communication Data Retention (February 13 16, 2009) Rather than requiring every service provider in the UK to keep its own user communication information to comply with European data retention rules, the UK government plans to use BT and other high tier providers to retain the data. The move comes as a result of the government's decision not to bear the burden of paying for each individual provider's compliant data retention system. UK draft laws require retention of IP address and session data for 12 months. The data retention scheme is expected to cost taxpayers about GBP 46 million (US $65.7 million). http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/16/eu_data_retention_transposition/ http://www.vnunet.com/computing/news/2236479/retaining-communications-cost Another newsbite --Canadian Judge Rules Internet Users Have No Reasonable Expectation of Privacy (February 13, 2009) A judge in Canada has ruled that Internet users have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding records kept by their Internet service providers (ISPs). The ruling was made in the course of a child pornography case in which law enforcement officers asked an ISP to provide subscriber information for an IP address that was allegedly used to access the content. Bell Canada provided the information without a warrant. Most Canadian ISPs require warrants before they will provide subscriber names, except in the case of child pornography. Privacy advocates are concerned the ruling could set a precedent that would put individuals' entire surfing history at the disposal of law enforcement authorities without the need for warrants. They maintain the judge operated under the faulty assumption that the information obtained from the ISP is similar to what could be found in a telephone directory. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1283120 http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Police+have+access+your+online+history/1286193/story.html [Editor's Note (Northcutt): The ever dwindling right to privacy. Keep in mind that ISPs want to collect information on user's surfing etc., so they can sell that data to marketing firms. Be sure to check out the related FTC story elsewhere in this issue. (Hoelzer): This topic will become more and more interesting legally since in many jurisdictions governments are requiring that certain records be kept; while the intent is good the potential for abuse toward individuals unfriendly to a particular political point of view could result in the end. For example, consider the story out of the UK this week moving to consolidate this type of data into top tier providers for easier access and monitoring by government.] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE
My experience has been omni and 900 don't go well together. Too much other 900ish stuff around I think. But I have a lot of 900 clients with APs using sectors or yagis. The WISP next to me has had good luck with omnis when he puts in a good notch filter to keep the adjacent noise out of the radio. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a better look. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet. You should probably give some consideration to StarOS. StarOS has an excellent industry standard mesh routing protocol built in - OLSR - and the popular X4000 platform is very low cost (~$350 or so in a four radio configuration). I tried Mikrotik and went back to StarOS because I saw much better performance and maintainability for the wireless networks that I design and operate. Actual StarOS documentation is kind of sparse, but it uses a lot of standard Linux packages (OSLR, OSPF, quagga, cbq, iptables) that are well documented. Unfortunately, StarOS has not done a very good job of getting people trained or setting up good relationships with vendors, so you don't hear about it as much any more. For what I do, it is better than Mikrotik and I'm very happy with it. Matt Larsen mlar...@inventivemedia.net os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks! I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on an old PC first. Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the something very small and simple. Thanks for the push! Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From:
Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE
By far the best results we've had are with the ARC 900mhz panel antennas, which blow away anything else we've tried. Also, keep them well away from any 2.4 stuff, if you're using Ubiquity sr or xr 900mhz cards which exhibit severe crosstalk on 2.4. Tom Sharples Qorvus Systems, Inc. - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE My experience has been omni and 900 don't go well together. Too much other 900ish stuff around I think. But I have a lot of 900 clients with APs using sectors or yagis. The WISP next to me has had good luck with omnis when he puts in a good notch filter to keep the adjacent noise out of the radio. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a better look. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good. Although we have never had a claim. Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Mr. Larsen, Thanks. I've heard very good things about StarOS as well. It certainly has it's devotees. But as you mentioned Valemount doesn't have the presence in the marketplace that Mikrotik has and that makes me wonder what kind of position Valemount will be in a number of years down the road. I don't change my equipment because of growing demand, I tend to use it till its end of life so I think about long term support and firmware updates etc. I will give StarOS a good look before I make any decision. I'm hoping that as the Ubiquiti line matures they'll incorporate some of the better features of RouterOS and StarOS though maybe they plan to just stay in the simple AP and CPE market rather that compete head to head with Mikrotik and Valemount. Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet. You should probably give some consideration to StarOS. StarOS has an excellent industry standard mesh routing protocol built in - OLSR - and the popular X4000 platform is very low cost (~$350 or so in a four radio configuration). I tried Mikrotik and went back to StarOS because I saw much better performance and maintainability for the wireless networks that I design and operate. Actual StarOS documentation is kind of sparse, but it uses a lot of standard Linux packages (OSLR, OSPF, quagga, cbq, iptables) that are well documented. Unfortunately, StarOS has not done a very good job of getting people trained or setting up good relationships with vendors, so you don't hear about it as much any more. For what I do, it is better than Mikrotik and I'm very happy with it. Matt Larsen mlar...@inventivemedia.net os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks! I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on an old PC first. Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the something very small and simple. Thanks for the push! Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on- line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*:
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs. Butch Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost. More as soon as we get additional details. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good. Although we have never had a claim. Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
The opposite - it's so new it's not the website. Streakwave has them on their site but I don't know availability. Your ghetto mesh might work. It's cheap enough to order some up and test the theory. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Jerry- Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported? I couldn't find anything on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few distributors have this product in stock. Deliberant is in the same enclosure as OSBridge uses for their full duplex backhauls. It'd be cool to combo a bullet5 and pico hp2 with a crossover harness that injects power where the bullet5 + omni would BH the devices and the pico would provide service to end users. Seems like you'd get a ghetto mesh for ~130/node. Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks I just went through this exercise - spent hours looking at various options. Deliberant and Engenius are the two options I arrived at. These seemed like the best price/performance to me and are refined enough to be easily supported. It's not true Mesh but rather WDS distribution via radio 1 and client access on radio 2 - Engenius EOC-7550 Dual radio AP (4 SSID/VLAN) - 199 - cheesy omni's included I think - Deliberant DUO Dual radio AP (16 SSID/VLAN) - 349 - no antennas If you can get away with a single radio WDS setup, then the costs drop through the floor - Sprinkle them around like chicklets: - Ubiquity Pico, Nano, etc - 49 and up - Engenius - copy cats - 49 and up - Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT - etc If it really needs to be mesh then the two lowest cost options I found are: - MikroTik with two radios - 349/kit assembled - no antennas - Ligowave DUO and Quad - 1k and up - no antennas __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
Good, my liability (with rider for some gear) just went from $2200 a year to $3100 a year. I need to do some shopping. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs. Butch Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost. More as soon as we get additional details. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good. Although we have never had a claim. Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE
I am testing out this idea right now. Using xr9 cards... I'll post my results... e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a better look. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Forbes Mercy" forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE
And you may want to do yourself a favor and try to not use an omni. Forbes Mercy wrote: I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
I have not heard anything from Chubb indicating this. Are they not taking new customers or getting rid of existing ones also? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
Thanks board members. I feel that this sort of service set will help WISPA members quite a bit. ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs. Butch Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost. More as soon as we get additional details. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good. Although we have never had a claim. Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Well, it has a hot spot option, so maybe a cold spot option can be in the next version :) -RickG On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Does MT make ice cream? If they did, it would be the BEST! Haha, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks hmmm. ice cream * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Harold Bledsoe wrote: Or ice cream. :) -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's like happiness - there are many flavors... Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
There are pluses minuses to each platform (Mikrotik StarOS), but if you want simple, StarOS is it. -RickG On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet. You should probably give some consideration to StarOS. StarOS has an excellent industry standard mesh routing protocol built in - OLSR - and the popular X4000 platform is very low cost (~$350 or so in a four radio configuration). I tried Mikrotik and went back to StarOS because I saw much better performance and maintainability for the wireless networks that I design and operate. Actual StarOS documentation is kind of sparse, but it uses a lot of standard Linux packages (OSLR, OSPF, quagga, cbq, iptables) that are well documented. Unfortunately, StarOS has not done a very good job of getting people trained or setting up good relationships with vendors, so you don't hear about it as much any more. For what I do, it is better than Mikrotik and I'm very happy with it. Matt Larsen mlar...@inventivemedia.net os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks! I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on an old PC first. Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the something very small and simple. Thanks for the push! Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Well said David. I learned of Mikrotik about 3 years ago. There is so much, that I am still learning. It is very useful for many things, more than I care to mention, for sure when it is many less than any other solution that can do what it does that it is available in the USA. Keep in mind that the developers are in Latvia... our are many more than theirs(or was!) So they get paid well when you license the product! The doc's are behind somewhat, but I keep behind as far as they do on new upgrades(for the most part). It does so much more than anything else, I can't afford not to use it! Just my observance. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:15:56 -0600 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. The Web interface is kinda a joke, but the preferred GUI is probably Winbox anyway. Winbox is a small proprietary (and Windows-only) utility, that you can download via the Web interface, that exposes most functionality. The documentation on Mikrotik's Web site is actually pretty thorough, with the caveat that it's always about one version behind. The wiki isn't the best, but it has a few clever tricks here and there. Mikrotik RouterOS's greatest strength is that you can do just about anything with it - the same device can do routing, firewalling, traffic shaping, BGP, wireless access, wireless client, RADIUS, and about 873 other things. Its greatest weakness is that you can do just about anything with it ... Fortunately, just about everything is turned off by default, and you can usually just ignore the features you're not using. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Grow some. I did. There is lots of doc's out there. You just have to take some time to learn it. Just like anything else...learning to ride a bike for example. It takes trials and tribulations. My company is a two man crew. I took time to learn much about MT, but not all yet...I still have days we are sitting around tweedling our thumbs, I use it to learn something new about Tik! And not messing with our secretary...J/K! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:52:46 -0800 **sigh** So anyhow, about my chest hair.. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks! I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on an old PC first. Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the something very small and simple. Thanks for the push! Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date:
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
I do have my off site servers and am working on out-of-region servers. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread Yeah, that too big to fail thing was a bit of a joke, but they probably have stronger fundamentals than Mozy. The only thing I like about off site storage is you could have a devastating disaster (fire, hurricane/tornado etc) and lose it all. Amazon's S3 is probably in a different geographical region so at least your data would be safe. Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Indeed. I went there a few weeks ago. There were things I literally paid 1/6 of the price for elsewhere from reputable places. Made me not to want to look at any of their other products (TVs, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:04 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware was really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special ($200 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same laptop, brand new, online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup on an $899 laptop? Seems a little excessive to me. Travis Microserv Eje Gustafsson wrote: True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer in the US. Gone.. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
I am not sure if Deliberant(ligowave) uses polling yet on this platform, I know that Engenius follows suit of all Senao happeningsBut I do know that OSBridge uses polling on their 2.4 Wifi mac! If you know anything about a 2.4 wifi mac that you will need polling of some sort to get anymore than 25 to 50 customers on it, and that is if you are lucky. You can use MT Nstreme and do it, or OSBridge, if you want more than 20 to 30 on an AP, you are asking for trouble without using polling(and someone in the hidden node area). Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:58:12 -0800 Jerry- Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported? I couldn't find anything on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few distributors have this product in stock. Deliberant is in the same enclosure as OSBridge uses for their full duplex backhauls. It'd be cool to combo a bullet5 and pico hp2 with a crossover harness that injects power where the bullet5 + omni would BH the devices and the pico would provide service to end users. Seems like you'd get a ghetto mesh for ~130/node. Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks I just went through this exercise - spent hours looking at various options. Deliberant and Engenius are the two options I arrived at. These seemed like the best price/performance to me and are refined enough to be easily supported. It's not true Mesh but rather WDS distribution via radio 1 and client access on radio 2 - Engenius EOC-7550 Dual radio AP (4 SSID/VLAN) - 199 - cheesy omni's included I think - Deliberant DUO Dual radio AP (16 SSID/VLAN) - 349 - no antennas If you can get away with a single radio WDS setup, then the costs drop through the floor - Sprinkle them around like chicklets: - Ubiquity Pico, Nano, etc - 49 and up - Engenius - copy cats - 49 and up - Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT - etc If it really needs to be mesh then the two lowest cost options I found are: - MikroTik with two radios - 349/kit assembled - no antennas - Ligowave DUO and Quad - 1k and up - no antennas __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Too give credit where credit is due...did not a university do this to begin with that worked really well...and all other versions are built on it? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: e...@wisp-router.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:36:32 + MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (:
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
Thanks Frank, You made available to all of WISPA as I have been crying about for so long. There are places where broadband actually exist from one provider, but its not cheap! Many of you provide underserved or no service areas, but way more than we charge! The question of service goes beyond the availability, but if they have a choice! We have customers come to us every day that have cell phone coverage, that do not want the rural coop telco(many of you do nat have those...and honestly do not wnat those) for telco and broadband...why? The only way they can get broadband is from DSL, and with that they HAVE to have a telco line! We do not have service in their area yet. We can not afford to build it out to all places that have no choice or want a choice! I am sure that many more of you are in far worse conditions than we are...but the conditions remain the sameas long as the gov supports our competition and not us, we face stronger competition! The ACT that prevented us WISP from getting access to those dry lines was the The Tauzin-Dingell Telecom Bill. When it passed we as ISP's were no longer allowed access to the dry copper loops as what the Telco's were offering DSL on. They were also given free access to providing FIBER to the home under that rule that gave US ALL(any established or new ISP) an unfair advantage to do the same ... as all Telcos could reject the right of any entity of using their fiber. AND...we are still fighting it today! Look it up, whether you are urban or rural...it still affects you! The gov't WILL FAVOR WHOEVER PAYS IT THE MOST, just as it has always been. Scottie In rural Tennessee -- Original Message -- From: Frank Muto frank.m...@secureemailplus.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:35:19 -0500 * Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural communities. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United States Department of Agriculture for broadband direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of the United States notwithstanding title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of the area served by the projects receiving funds from such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without sufficient access to high speed broadband service to facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary: Provided further, That priority for awarding funds made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide service to the highest proportion of rural residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the application is approved, all project elements will be fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to activities that can commence promptly following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a report on planned spending and actual obligations describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Rural Electrification Act of 1936 http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm population thereof; the term farm shall be deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory shall be deemed to include any insular possession of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the Secretary of Agriculture. [May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776, §2, 63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct.