[WISPA] ntop
Anyone have any experience with ntop? Specially, with analysis of netflow and voip. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntop
I prefer analyzing with Wireshark, as it is much easier and has a lot of tools. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: Anyone have any experience with ntop? Specially, with analysis of netflow and voip. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NTIA drops 'buy American' requirements for broadband stimulus funds
From Fierce Broadband Wireless newsletter. 1. NTIA drops 'buy American' requirements for broadband stimulus funds http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,hv2k,fgtc,c2vj,8xz2 By Lynnette Luna http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,dbl1,7eyw,c2vj,8xz2#comment Comment http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,dbl1,7eyw,c2vj,8xz2#comment | http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,480s,3t5h,c2vj,8xz2 Forward http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,480s,3t5h,c2vj,8xz2 The federal government won't require the buy American stipulations it had originally planned to require of companies obtaining stimulus money to build broadband networks. In a notice published Friday, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), which is distributing $5 billion of the $7.2 billion earmarked for broadband deployments in unserved and underserved areas, said the Secretary of Commerce granted a limited waiver of the buy American stipulation in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act to broadband equipment used in broadband networks deployed using stimulus money. The waiver includes switching, access, transport, routing, customer premise and billing equipment as well as end user devices. The waiver doesn't include optic cables, coaxial cables, cell towers and other facilities that are in abundance in the United States. For other equipment not on the list, companies can request waivers case by case. Earlier this month, Cisco Systems and Alcatel-Lucent said they wanted the buy American provisions eliminated, arguing that the requirement for U.S.-made equipment would be grossly inefficient and a radical departure from normal practices. The two industry heavyweights also said such rules would slow down projects because telecom networks typically are made up of equipment from companies worldwide. Congress said funds provided under the law passed in February generally can't be used for iron, steel and factory goods not produced in the U.S. For more: see Telephony http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,ffcz,gqed,c2vj,8xz2#comment-11868584 Related articles: Cisco, Alcatel-Lucent say 'buy American' not feasible for stimulus requirements http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,at4u,w6j,c2vj,8xz2 Zhone: Buy American for broadband stimulus http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,isox,hy3k,c2vj,8xz2 Read more about: Secretary Of Commerce http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,i2z,5w86,c2vj,8xz2, Ntia http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,21oc,fct5,c2vj,8xz2, Cisco Systems http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,kp87,33t1,c2vj,8xz2, buy American http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,17i30,8mf,lusx,ck4v,c2vj,8xz2 -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntop
I am looking for something more historical and high level. -Matt On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I prefer analyzing with Wireshark, as it is much easier and has a lot of tools. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: Anyone have any experience with ntop? Specially, with analysis of netflow and voip. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntop
Maybe you're looking for something like Cacti? Or custom MRTG graphs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: I am looking for something more historical and high level. -Matt On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I prefer analyzing with Wireshark, as it is much easier and has a lot of tools. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: Anyone have any experience with ntop? Specially, with analysis of netflow and voip. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntop
2009/6/29 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com: Maybe you're looking for something like Cacti? Or custom MRTG graphs. No, he sounds like he wants NTOP. Do you have any specific questions? Yes, it can identify most VoIP traffic, and yes, it can take a netflow feed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
8 dB Maxrad units. Good vertical coverage and they are easy to weather proof. Don't forget to order the mmk 8 mounts. I've cc'd Lee at Hutton/EC with this. Oh yeah, with the 8dB units make sure you don't go over 28dB on your tx output (I usually run about 17 on my systems) or you'll be over the 36dB legal limit for an AP. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that you installed a higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going to be narrower (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you installed the antenna with the same down tilt angle your missing the mark because you have a narrower vertical beam. As for the VSWR nothing really considered too low. If your VSWR is higher then 1.5:1 then you have a problem for sure. Personally never used or tested TT's 15-124 antenna but have sold a few of them with no complaints on it as far as I know. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Performance I picked up a Teletronics 15-124 19db horizontal antenna for testing and deployed it in place of a Tranzeo 16db Horizontal (TilTek?), using same pigtail and radio. With the clients on this sector, the AP side is the same, but the CPE receive side seems to have suffered with this larger antenna. Nothing was changed other then the antenna, aimed to the exact same degree, tilted the same percentage of vertical tilt, and so forth. I'm thinking the antenna isn't very good, or it's VSWR is too low and I'm getting some power reflected from the antenna. Anybody have experience with this antenna, or these scenarios? I expected this bigger, more expensive antenna to gain all across the board. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that you installed a higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going to be narrower (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you installed the antenna with the same down tilt angle your missing the mark because you have a narrower vertical beam. As for the VSWR nothing really considered too low. If your VSWR is higher then 1.5:1 then you have a problem for sure. Personally never used or tested TT's 15-124 antenna but have sold a few of them with no complaints on it as far as I know. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Performance I picked up a Teletronics 15-124 19db horizontal antenna for testing and deployed it in place of a Tranzeo 16db Horizontal (TilTek?), using same pigtail and radio. With the clients on this sector, the AP side is the same, but the CPE receive side seems to have suffered with this larger antenna. Nothing was changed other then the antenna, aimed to the exact same degree, tilted the same percentage of vertical tilt, and so forth. I'm thinking the antenna isn't very good, or it's VSWR is too low and I'm getting some power reflected from the antenna. Anybody have experience with this antenna, or these scenarios? I expected this bigger, more expensive antenna to gain all across the board. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
I have to wonder if some of the client radios may be pointed at sidelobes rather then the main beam. One thing you see between the two antennas published patterns is the lack of pronounced sidelobes on the teletronics. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that you installed a higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going to be narrower (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you installed the antenna with the same down tilt angle your missing the mark because you have a narrower vertical beam. As for the VSWR nothing really considered too low. If your VSWR is higher then 1.5:1 then you have a problem for sure. Personally never used or tested TT's 15-124 antenna but have sold a few of them with no complaints on it as far as I know. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Performance I picked up a Teletronics 15-124 19db horizontal antenna for testing and deployed it in place of a Tranzeo 16db Horizontal (TilTek?), using same pigtail and radio. With the clients on this sector, the AP side is the same, but the CPE receive side seems to have suffered with this larger antenna. Nothing was changed other then the antenna, aimed to the exact same degree, tilted the same percentage of vertical tilt, and so forth. I'm thinking the antenna isn't very good, or it's VSWR is too low and I'm getting some power reflected from the antenna. Anybody have experience with this antenna, or these scenarios? I expected this bigger, more expensive antenna to gain all across the board. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntop
On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Do you have any specific questions? Yes, it can identify most VoIP traffic, and yes, it can take a netflow feed. I am looking for a few things. One is to be able to track utilization on a per AS basis both in realtime and over time. We have an appliance that can do this now, but I am not overly happy with the information I can get out of it. Regarding VoIP, I'd like to capture quality metrics in realtime and over time. Further, if ntop can perform these tasks -- which I understand it can-- then I am looking for feedback on how well it does in this regard. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
Would like to get 10 miles out of it for overlap but can go less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations How far do you need to go? -RickG On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs
I'm looking at picking up a gross of old Alvarion 5.8Ghz VL SUs. They are a mix of Rev A and B. I know that you can't do 10Mhz channels on anything before Rev C, but is there anything else to watch out for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs
The only other restrictions I am aware of is that they do not support modulation level 8 and you cannot enable burst mode if you use wep. Not sure if Rev A has additional restrictions, we have a couple of Rev B so that is how I know those. * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs I'm looking at picking up a gross of old Alvarion 5.8Ghz VL SUs. They are a mix of Rev A and B. I know that you can't do 10Mhz channels on anything before Rev C, but is there anything else to watch out for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
I wouldnt use an omni to go 10 miles. Why not sector? -RickG On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Would like to get 10 miles out of it for overlap but can go less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations How far do you need to go? -RickG On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs
2009/6/29 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: I'm looking at picking up a gross of old Alvarion 5.8Ghz VL SUs. They are a mix of Rev A and B. I know that you can't do 10Mhz channels on anything before Rev C, but is there anything else to watch out for? I found this jewel below: Rev A was the first version and the AU does not support Modulation 8 Rev B was a new hardware and all devices support Modulation 8 and there is some frame bundling over the air Rev C supports total frame concatenation and also supports 10 or 20 MHz channels for PtMP. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs
I think they are pretty nice radios. They have a smaller concatenation packet size of 2200 versus 4032 for c+ revisions. They have a higher gain than the newer smaller units, which makes up for the lack of modulation 8 in best case, and providers higher gain in normal situations. I know the AUs have some additional noise immunity settings in later revs, but I don't think that's an option in the SUs. The C+ revs let you use the reset button on the newer power bricks to factory reset the radio. Older versions require the software tool to do a factory reset. Not a big deal anyhow. The smaller power bricks (black and sometimes white) are much more reliable than the original poundcake shaped power supplies. The original ones aren't bad compared to other ones on the market. Make sure the power supplies come with the radio, or the radios are really inexpensive, as the power supplies command a pretty good sum of money. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:16:13PM -0500, Larry A Weidig wrote: The only other restrictions I am aware of is that they do not support modulation level 8 and you cannot enable burst mode if you use wep. Not sure if Rev A has additional restrictions, we have a couple of Rev B so that is how I know those. * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs I'm looking at picking up a gross of old Alvarion 5.8Ghz VL SUs. They are a mix of Rev A and B. I know that you can't do 10Mhz channels on anything before Rev C, but is there anything else to watch out for? -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
10 is a dream... I know. But been thinking of going sector. Not many users there at the moment but replacing the antennas may be a good reason to upgrade the whole mess. Really only need a good 3 to 5 miles but further is always better for redundancy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations I wouldnt use an omni to go 10 miles. Why not sector? -RickG On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Would like to get 10 miles out of it for overlap but can go less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations How far do you need to go? -RickG On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ntop
Matt, Are you looking for specific specs like latency and jitter? Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ntop On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Do you have any specific questions? Yes, it can identify most VoIP traffic, and yes, it can take a netflow feed. I am looking for a few things. One is to be able to track utilization on a per AS basis both in realtime and over time. We have an appliance that can do this now, but I am not overly happy with the information I can get out of it. Regarding VoIP, I'd like to capture quality metrics in realtime and over time. Further, if ntop can perform these tasks -- which I understand it can-- then I am looking for feedback on how well it does in this regard. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Father of Wireless Broadband on Water
Our own, Jack Unger, was recently captured on film relaxing in Tennessee. http://www.wispa.org/2009/06/29/fispa-and-wispa-boards-meet-in-nashville/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Father of Wireless Broadband on Water
Now that one will go down as a classic. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:59:11 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group'motor...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Father of Wireless Broadband on Water WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
