[WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BBS'n
I gripe about that almost every day, as in how tight the programming was. We really didn't have the careless bugs as now. There was no room. The quality of the software was mostly out of necessity. Now it's all so bloated with useless junk. These kids these days why back in my day we didn't need 4 digits for the year, we just used 2 and we liked it! Your Y2K be damned. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BBS'n I wrote my first BBS software to work/go live on a Commodore Vic-20, and 150kb floppy. Its amazing how much data those things could handle with an efficient file system and text data. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] BBS'n Oh, god no! I bought so much TRS-80 crap that in 1998, the manager of my local Radio Shack called me up and asked me to come over. They were under orders to clean out the stock room of old stuff and he had a pile of new in the box TRS-80's and all sorts of odd ball accessories. Mine for free he said, he was told to destroy and dispose of it. Wasn't much use to me then, heck, it was 1998 for Pete's sake. But I took it and slowly used the bits for something or gave things away. Wish I had it all now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Dont make me get my TRS-80 out! -RickG On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: I ran GBBS on my Apple ][+ (that I still have)... and also Proving Grounds (DD based) on that system as well. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: I ran my BBS on an Atari 800 Robert West wrote: Sheesh! I ran Fidonet for a time then moved up to PCBoard with 4 nodes. Man, that was livin'. I think I still have my install disks someplace and my huge box of 200 2.5 floppy backup set. Ran it on an IBM XT 286. Speed, brother! All about the speed! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Funny, I remember running a BBS on a Timex Sinclair computer. And then along came FIDONET. I sure miss that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? 5Mb, and 5 min to spin up... Remember watching the lights dim when you turned it on? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Wow! My first thought when you started was not enough power but then read you changed the power supply. Still sounds like power though. Did you check the power where you are plugging that supply into? Anything else running off that circuit like any motors or high surge items? What about firmware? Did you try flashing up or down and maybe match any MT board this one is talking to? Stranger things have happened. I agree with the frustration about the 433ah slots being too close, but MT will say that their cards fit just fine! I'm in the same boat with you on that. Installed a 600a with the daughterboard on one AP just to get around that same problem. I've also used a 433ah and a 433 with level 4 and got it to work. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com attachment: winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Are you running NStreme as 120 clients seems a lot for an NStreme enabled AP without wireless-test package? Do you have latency to clients on all radio cards or just 1? Have you disabled connection tracking and default forward on the radio cards? -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: 24 August 2009 07:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Correction, a 433ah with a 411 at level 4 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Wow! My first thought when you started was not enough power but then read you changed the power supply. Still sounds like power though. Did you check the power where you are plugging that supply into? Anything else running off that circuit like any motors or high surge items? What about firmware? Did you try flashing up or down and maybe match any MT board this one is talking to? Stranger things have happened. I agree with the frustration about the 433ah slots being too close, but MT will say that their cards fit just fine! I'm in the same boat with you on that. Installed a 600a with the daughterboard on one AP just to get around that same problem. I've also used a 433ah and a 433 with level 4 and got it to work. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com attachment: winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I don't have an answer for your real problem, but I may be able to help with how long it takes to configure a board in the future, Copy and paste works in a terminal window. However ctrl-c does not. You can highlight a set of statements, right click-copy and then right click-paste on the new device. Only time this won't work is sometimes between major levels the syntax changes. Export can be your friend, too. Again requires using terminal. Go to the area you need to copy to another board, such as queue/simple. Type export file=filename. This creates a file that you can drag to your PC. You can then edit it as required in your favorite text editor. Then drag it to the new board. In terminal go to the proper section and import file=filename will load the data from the old board. If you are doing same version to same board type you can export from the root level to do the entire configuration. Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: 08/23/09 18:03:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BBS'n
Lord rocked, I think I ran that on my spitfire system before we went to worldgroup. Running deskview so we could run multiple lines on spitfire. Then roboboard, wow the memories ;) John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:55 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Sun, August 23, 2009 11:15 pm, Blake Bowers wrote: Now I have this desire to play Global War If I look through the filing cabinet long enough, I betcha I still have my license key for Legend of the Red Dragon, which I bought for a then- local BBS in 1994 or so... David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BBS'n
When we took over the old Windows to Infinity BBS - ISP it was running Excalibur. My earliest achievement that made me so proud, was when we took the last Excalibur customer off the BBS and moved them over to our portmasters and killed that BBS. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
How in gods name do you guys stay in business if you still haven't found a stable platform that you know how to configure. I'm just amazed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Int wireless access-lis export On 8/24/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: How in gods name do you guys stay in business if you still haven't found a stable platform that you know how to configure. I'm just amazed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BBS'n
There are still people running bbses just today you telnet to then. :) Tradewars 2002 and LORD been a while now but still involved with TradeWars. Still sell 4-5 copies of the Tradewars helper that me and a friend wrote 10+ years ago (still being maintained). Brings back some memories. I closed Fament.com's worldgroup bbs just around 4 yrs ago. Brings back bad memories lol. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:15:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] BBS'n Now I have this desire to play Global War Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BBS'n / FIDO \ _//|| _\ / () (_/(_|(/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Sounds like you have one or more infected customers that are flooding the AP. Also, 120 customers is not acceptable for a Mikrotik AP. We keep our MT AP's under 50 people (and try to stay around 30). Also, you can easily "copy and paste" from one board to another. You do an "export" from the one and an "import" to the other. We do it all the time. :) Travis Microserv Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with "my Internet is so slow" calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
If this was one of your remote sites and you suspected virus activity, would you put a sniffer on the AP? How and with what would you analyze the problem? What's the best way to be alert to such happenings? At 08:26 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Sounds like you have one or more infected customers that are flooding the AP. Also, 120 customers is not acceptable for a Mikrotik AP. We keep our MT AP's under 50 people (and try to stay around 30). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
For the 4xx boards I use 18v and 24v power supplies. No problems on either of them. On 8/24/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Mikrotik has sniffer (and many other) tools to allow you to do this easily. Whether its on the AP or not depends on your network layout - I myself would do it on the router for that tower that has more HP but you may not have that option. I recommend testing in lab locally and figuring it all out though before doing on remote tower... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik If this was one of your remote sites and you suspected virus activity, would you put a sniffer on the AP? How and with what would you analyze the problem? What's the best way to be alert to such happenings? At 08:26 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Sounds like you have one or more infected customers that are flooding the AP. Also, 120 customers is not acceptable for a Mikrotik AP. We keep our MT AP's under 50 people (and try to stay around 30). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Probably power issue with that many cards. We have a Solar site running a CM-9 in one slot and XR-2 in another running 12v of course with no problems. :) Hopefully it stays that way. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Oh, with a 433AH. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Probably power issue with that many cards. We have a Solar site running a CM-9 in one slot and XR-2 in another running 12v of course with no problems. :) Hopefully it stays that way. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
1st lesson; don't try new things (untested hardware combinations) with remote locations. Don't do upgrades on Friday either, as you might not have the staff or time to deal with problem potential from surprises over the weekend. This isn't MT specific advice. You could try running it on two RBs instead of one incase there is power or interference from the card's proximity. I mostly use telnet/ssh to configure the MTs and I can surely copy and paste in that. We also keep a database of MTs and use a cron script that goes in and exports each MT once a week and deposits it's configuration to a central location. Then we have backups of all our MT configs that we can reference for copypaste/upgrades/reprogramming. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07:33PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BBS'n
Lol. I don't think I have them anymore, but I ran a TriBBS system with 4 nodes of two DELL 486-33mhz systems with a Simply LANTISTC network, and deskview :) fun stuff. I had LORD games, but the fav was BRE and SRE. I think one of the local BBS Directory systems is still in operation to this date. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BBS'n On Sun, August 23, 2009 11:15 pm, Blake Bowers wrote: Now I have this desire to play Global War If I look through the filing cabinet long enough, I betcha I still have my license key for Legend of the Red Dragon, which I bought for a then-local BBS in 1994 or so... David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This is true with a lot of the RouterBoards that you do not have enough onboard power source capability to run generally more than two high powered cards. For example the 400's can only handle about 10watt of external cards that means the third XR card will kill the system. One thing to keep in mind that the none AH boards in the 400 series is not ideal for heavy AP usage. They are more of a CPE board or light duty AP. You want heavy duty AP then need to look at AH boards only or the RB600 or RB333. In either way also keep in mind that using ANY high powered card might not only overload the onboard power system of the RouterBoard but since the card are so close by and inside the same case you will more than likely run into self interference issues from the radio chain inside the card even when the cards are not set to transmit on the same frequency. In our experience using low powered cards in the same unit generally is not a issue and works fine but once you try to put more than 2 high powered card on the same board (even the RB600) self interference quickly becomes an issue. Separate the radio cards out between different units. Just because you can run multiple radios in the same unit doesn't mean that is always a good idea. In some cases we have managed to get self interfering system work fine by using a alu foil shield between the radios (regular household alu foil put inside a sheet protector slid in between the cards to create compartments inside the case have been able to stabilize the system to a point of good operation. Most of the case of course after this been done it was decided to separate the cards out to separate units to optimize and not have to worry about any future service issues. So to sum things up. Don't run more than 2 high powered card on the same board. Use maximum separation between the cards if you decide to use 2 high powered cards. Avoid using 2 high powered cards in the same frequency band on the same board. It's GOOD in my opinion that you cannot fit more than 2 high powered cards (at least of most models) in the 433/333 boards because else more people would do this with BAD results. Just because your trailer got a tow hook don't mean your truck is powerful enough to pull two fully loaded trailer... BTW guys. MikroTik is spelled with 2 K's.. No C in there... On the same coin Ubiquiti is spelled with 3 I's an NO Y. When you use the products you would think you learned how to spell their names ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
If you use a high power POE, http://www.quicklinkwireless.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=TR60A-POE-L that will alleviate your problem. We have a 600A with 3 XR2's and 2 XR5's, been in service a very long time (more than a year) without issue. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I have my MTs email a company Gmail account every week - full binary and text backup. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:42 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: 1st lesson; don't try new things (untested hardware combinations) with remote locations. Don't do upgrades on Friday either, as you might not have the staff or time to deal with problem potential from surprises over the weekend. This isn't MT specific advice. You could try running it on two RBs instead of one incase there is power or interference from the card's proximity. I mostly use telnet/ssh to configure the MTs and I can surely copy and paste in that. We also keep a database of MTs and use a cron script that goes in and exports each MT once a week and deposits it's configuration to a central location. Then we have backups of all our MT configs that we can reference for copypaste/upgrades/reprogramming. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07:33PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This goes back to the earlier discussion (different thread) about how many employees can support how many customers. Investing in programmers that can build good backend systems and work with things like vendor API's (mikrotik's is great!), snmp, etc. will save money over time. When things get out of hand like in this case, the wisps who have invested in RD stomp those who hit these walls. We learned long ago not to even try rolling out a new service like this until the backend management is in place. Just plain not worth it. Learned that in 1994 adding/removing/suspending/unsuspending sendmail/popper/shell/radius accounts by hand to a FreeBSD mail server. Gets to be no fun in a hurry when you have to play fireman full time. Randy Steve Barnes wrote: 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
/me bows in reverence ralph wrote: OK- As long as we are BBSing, I actually wrote the TIBBSR BBS in the early 1980s and ran the Flagship TIBBS from my home near Atlanta. I believe that in its heyday, there were over 100 systems running around the US. Even though Texas Instruments said that a TI-99/4 could not operate that way, I obtained all the manuals for the communication and video chips they used and wrote routines to do all the serial I/O and storage. The system could remotely identify other TIs and close the door on those Rataris, Commode-Door Ick 20's and Rotten Apples if the Sysop chose to. Your terminal also spoke to you and welcomed you to the system if you had the speech synthesizer. All this in 24K of BASIC programming and 8K of 9900 Assembly language. Frank, also of Brightlan, was behind the FJJ real time clock/calendar card that was marketed for the TI. Some stuff about TIBBS is here: http://ralphfowler.com/ti994a.html Those were good times. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I ran my BBS on an Atari 800 Robert West wrote: Sheesh! I ran Fidonet for a time then moved up to PCBoard with 4 nodes. Man, that was livin'. I think I still have my install disks someplace and my huge box of 200 2.5 floppy backup set. Ran it on an IBM XT 286. Speed, brother! All about the speed! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Funny, I remember running a BBS on a Timex Sinclair computer. And then along came FIDONET. I sure miss that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis mailto:the...@wmwisp.net the...@wmwisp.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? 5Mb, and 5 min to spin up... Remember watching the lights dim when you turned it on? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Wow what an amazing series of responses! As frustrating and how ever much gray hair I achieved this weekend is now minimized by how much help I got on this issue, thank you so much, anytime I need validation as to why this is a great organization, this is the answer right here. OK the quick and dirty: I now realize from your responses that maybe I can get away with three cards on one board but not splitting 120 customers, too much load to go with too much RF, too much power demand, in other words too many places to fail. I'll pull off one sector XR2 and leave one SR2 and one XR2. I hope I can put both in the same box without the RF issue if I separate them enough (those 10X10 boxes). I'm waiting for the new AirMax line before I split out one more sector for this busy tower. I've never heard of the export, especially the auto-export of the configuration. I want to get to know this because I can't think of the countless hours I've wasted this summer re-entering MAC/customer info as we've updated almost our entire network to XR2 chips this year. I also upgraded nearly every tower to 18v POE's and am about to try a 12v to 18v boost for my solar site, it makes me a little worried about power demands but much like most of our industry I'll try it, test it, and hope it works. As for the other suggestions I have tested for traffic, put in the typical firewalls for udp and esp floods, site checked for interference and made sure my antennas were properly spaced. It worked great until I put in the XR2's on the same radios which is why I upgraded the board when the 133 couldn't keep up, I assumed the 433ah would, guess I was wrong. Again I appreciate all the help you gave me, I needed this fresh persepective after a weekend of getting so frustrated I probably wouldn't have seen the most obvious thing. Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Dennis Burgess Sent: Mon 8/24/2009 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close
[WISPA] Download Caps Legislation
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Re: [WISPA] Download Caps Legislation
I really hope they can make it stick. we have recently implemented soft caps in our TOS - simply so we have some leverage. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:52 AM To: motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Download Caps Legislation http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Way to get Census Tract info for address in batch
Hi, I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone suggest a free site? Thanks! Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Reminder
This is a reminder regarding the upcoming training class on Thursday, August 27. This wireless course will run about 7 hours and will cover Mikrotik's Wireless implementations. We will cover using the MT as an AP, client, nstreme, nstreme dual, WDS and lots more. To get more information see http://www.butchevans.com/ -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik I agree with you here. This is what I need to be doing also. I have had to go back up after thinking everything was ok. That is not fun. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Less time on tower. Pre-tested and known to work. Less chance of breaking something. Dennis Burgess wrote: Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik I agree with you here. This is what I need to be doing also. I have had to go back up after thinking everything was ok. That is not fun. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Enclosures with internal part numbers like Mt5ap Mt2ap Mt5hpol Mt5vpol Is what I've started doing to help the new guy associate what gear with what AP. Wish it was all Moto or all MT, but ya know... On 8/24/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Less time on tower. Pre-tested and known to work. Less chance of breaking something. Dennis Burgess wrote: Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik I agree with you here. This is what I need to be doing also. I have had to go back up after thinking everything was ok. That is not fun. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
and all the other things you don't want
to do.
Does hauling everything up the tower so you don't have to count?
lol I prefer laptop duty myself
But in all seriousness you are absolutely right.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers.
Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still
a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely
could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety
guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate
insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of
our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively.
That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the
configuring/testing..
They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from
falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your
phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want
to do.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote:
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but,
I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by
the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the
adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a
160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something
that
you would normally catch in an instance.
I guess there are pros and cons to both ways.
LaRoy
Scott Carullo wrote:
It takes less than one minute to configure an interface?
Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should
assume
its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually
better it
lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2
cents
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to
reconfigure
when you change out a card.
I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS.
I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that
went
out.
This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years.
I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were
passing traffic before I could close the lid.
This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS.
Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then.
LaRoy McCann
Data Technology
www.dtisp.com
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Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Canvas bucket, beaners, new enclosure with stuff.
On 8/24/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
and all the other things you don't want
to do.
Does hauling everything up the tower so you don't have to count?
lol I prefer laptop duty myself
But in all seriousness you are absolutely right.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers.
Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still
a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely
could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety
guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate
insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of
our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively.
That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the
configuring/testing..
They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from
falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your
phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want
to do.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote:
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but,
I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by
the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the
adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a
160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something
that
you would normally catch in an instance.
I guess there are pros and cons to both ways.
LaRoy
Scott Carullo wrote:
It takes less than one minute to configure an interface?
Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should
assume
its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually
better it
lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2
cents
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to
reconfigure
when you change out a card.
I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS.
I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that
went
out.
This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years.
I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were
passing traffic before I could close the lid.
This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS.
Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then.
LaRoy McCann
Data Technology
www.dtisp.com
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Re: [WISPA] Way to get Census Tract info for address in batch
Martha Huizenga wrote: Hi, I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone suggest a free site? Thanks! Martha I don't know of any free sites that will do a batch of addresses, some out there will do a few at a time. My lead tech wrote a program that takes a batch of customer/GPS coordinates and returns the census tract information for each. We will actually get our 477 filed this time. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Do you know what he is using to do the census tract lookup? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote: Martha Huizenga wrote: Hi, I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone suggest a free site? Thanks! Martha I don't know of any free sites that will do a batch of addresses, some out there will do a few at a time. My lead tech wrote a program that takes a batch of customer/GPS coordinates and returns the census tract information for each. We will actually get our 477 filed this time. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Way to get Census Tract info for address in batch
Had something to do with downloading the shape files from the census site, then using a positioning gadget in Postgres, or something like that, to determine which tract the point was in. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Jon Auer wrote: Do you know what he is using to do the census tract lookup? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote: Martha Huizenga wrote: Hi, I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone suggest a free site? Thanks! Martha I don't know of any free sites that will do a batch of addresses, some out there will do a few at a time. My lead tech wrote a program that takes a batch of customer/GPS coordinates and returns the census tract information for each. We will actually get our 477 filed this time. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Way to get Census Tract info for address in batch
That makes sense. Thank you. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote: Had something to do with downloading the shape files from the census site, then using a positioning gadget in Postgres, or something like that, to determine which tract the point was in. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Jon Auer wrote: Do you know what he is using to do the census tract lookup? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote: Martha Huizenga wrote: Hi, I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone suggest a free site? Thanks! Martha I don't know of any free sites that will do a batch of addresses, some out there will do a few at a time. My lead tech wrote a program that takes a batch of customer/GPS coordinates and returns the census tract information for each. We will actually get our 477 filed this time. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
As the original post described some hell when it came to retyping in MACs (man that has to make you go insane...) I wanted to add this. I have my MTs sent an email every week - both text and binary. Binary is awesome when you have an identical set of hardware - drag, drop, reboot, done! Text is needed if you want to see parts of the config, move to a different hardware platform or pick and choose what gets loaded. Set the SMTP server, from email address and the to email addresses in each script / tool e-mail set server=X.X.X.X from=s...@this.com /system script add name=makebackup source=/export file=([/system identity get name] . \t\)\r\n/tool e-mail send file=([/system identity get name].\t\) to=\back...@setthis.com\ body=\\ subject=([/system identity get name] . \ Backup\)\n add name=makebinarybackup source=/system backup save name=([/system identity get name] . \b\)\r\n/tool e-mail send file=([/system identity get name].\b\) to=\back...@setthis.com\ body=\\ subject=([/system identity get name] . \ Backup\) / system scheduler add name=email-backup on-event=makebackup start-date=jan/01/2007 start-time=02:15:00 interval=7d comment=daily text backups disabled=no add name=email-binarybackup on-event=makebinarybackup start-date=jan/01/2007 start-time=02:20:00 interval=7d comment=daily binary backups disabled=no Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet
Re: [WISPA] Way to get Census Tract info for address in batch
You can do a look up using http://www.batchgeocode.com/ which is free. I thought last year this gave me census tracts, but I must be wrong because this year, it only gives me lat and long. I wonder if these can then be translated into census tracts? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Had something to do with downloading the shape files from the census site, then using a positioning gadget in Postgres, or something like that, to determine which tract the point was in. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Jon Auer wrote: Do you know what he is using to do the census tract lookup? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote: Martha Huizenga wrote: Hi, I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone suggest a free site? Thanks! Martha I don't know of any free sites that will do a batch of addresses, some out there will do a few at a time. My lead tech wrote a program that takes a batch of customer/GPS coordinates and returns the census tract information for each. We will actually get our 477 filed this time. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Download Caps Legislation
This is just ridiculous. I guess if the power company offers BPL and electricity, and you can get Wireless Internet and Solar Power, the electric company should not charge more for electrical usage above a certain limit? The gov't needs either to regulate the Internet or keep their dang nose out of it. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:51:59 -0500 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Way to get Census Tract info for address in batch
Martha, How much is your time worth? I've been doing batch processing for WISP's for $100. Thank You, Brian Webster Martha Huizenga wrote: You can do a look up using http://www.batchgeocode.com/ which is free. I thought last year this gave me census tracts, but I must be wrong because this year, it only gives me lat and long. I wonder if these can then be translated into census tracts? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Had something to do with downloading the shape files from the census site, then using a positioning gadget in Postgres, or something like that, to determine which tract the point was in. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Jon Auer wrote: Do you know what he is using to do the census tract lookup? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com wrote: Martha Huizenga wrote: Hi, I thought there was a way to get Census Tract info in batch, but the web site I thought I used last time gives me Lat and Long. Can anyone suggest a free site? Thanks! Martha I don't know of any free sites that will do a batch of addresses, some out there will do a few at a time. My lead tech wrote a program that takes a batch of customer/GPS coordinates and returns the census tract information for each. We will actually get our 477 filed this time. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Way to get Census Tract info for address in batch
Martha Huizenga wrote: You can do a look up using http://www.batchgeocode.com/ which is free. I thought last year this gave me census tracts, but I must be wrong because this year, it only gives me lat and long. I wonder if these can then be translated into census tracts? Yes, but not easily. You can get from the Census Bureau a big giant database detailing the borders of every census tract. Thing is, census tracts are all funny-shaped. Each tract is a list of points, describing the edges of the tract. If a tract were perfectly square, you'd only need four points (each of its four corners), and you then simply connect-the-dots to see the edges of the tract. Unfortunately, many of these tracts have ten or more points describing their edges. You can put all these points into a big database, and with a bit of fancy math identify the tract that any given point belongs to. (Sounds like this is basically what Matt Larsen did.) If you're only doing this for, say, FCC 477 requirements, and only have a few hundred points to map, it's probably easier and cheaper to just outsource the project than to write/buy the software you'd need to do it yourself. Once you do it (regardless of how it gets done), save the results. That way, the next time you have to send in FCC 477, you'll only have to worry about your new subscribers, anyone who moved, and removing anyone who's left your service. That's probably a small fraction of the work involved in doing it all from scratch. (Sometime in late 2010, or 2011, after the 2010 Census, they'll re-draw all the tracts and we'll have to do it all over again, but then we'll be all set for ten years.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Antenna Loads
For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
2009/8/24 Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Strip some LMR back about 3/4, and fan out the braid. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
Jeremy forgot to add: 1. Solder the LMR center conductor to the top of a 6-in long banana. 2. Solder the LMR braid to the top of an 8-in long banana. 3. Submerge both bananas in a two-gallon plastic pail of dill pickle juice. 4. Once in the pail be sure that the bananas are NOT touching each other or else the transmitter can short out. Jeremy Parr wrote: 2009/8/24 Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Strip some LMR back about 3/4", and fan out the braid. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This year I moved from 1 PC doing everything to 4x RB411AH and 1x 493 just so I can better troubleshoot problems, which haven't happened in the 90 or so days of uptime they've had since. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 1st lesson; don't try new things (untested hardware combinations) with remote locations. Don't do upgrades on Friday either, as you might not have the staff or time to deal with problem potential from surprises over the weekend. This isn't MT specific advice. You could try running it on two RBs instead of one incase there is power or interference from the card's proximity. I mostly use telnet/ssh to configure the MTs and I can surely copy and paste in that. We also keep a database of MTs and use a cron script that goes in and exports each MT once a week and deposits it's configuration to a central location. Then we have backups of all our MT configs that we can reference for copypaste/upgrades/reprogramming. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07:33PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench. Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
I could be wrong, but even being "self-employed", you are still subject to the OSHA rules. You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to follow the OSHA guidelines. Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the "Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench". Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Data Technology" w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
LOL... Do the dill Pickel juice have to be from Kosher Pickel's ? Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads Jeremy forgot to add: 1. Solder the LMR center conductor to the top of a 6-in long banana. 2. Solder the LMR braid to the top of an 8-in long banana. 3. Submerge both bananas in a two-gallon plastic pail of dill pickle juice. 4. Once in the pail be sure that the bananas are NOT touching each other or else the transmitter can short out. Jeremy Parr wrote: 2009/8/24 Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com st...@pcswin.com: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Strip some LMR back about 3/4, and fan out the braid. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Crescent wrench beats all wrenches. Especially if you get the battery powered one! On 8/24/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I could be wrong, but even being self-employed, you are still subject to the OSHA rules. You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to follow the OSHA guidelines. Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench. Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
Ah, I have the same problem. I asked mike over at UBNT the other day about that with the Bullet M's. I wanted to know if it was cool to power them up without antenna because I needed to configure 12 of them and I didn't want my eyes to melt. He said it was okay for a short period of time.. That's pretty specific. So to not screw them up and find out later after they are installed I hauled out the rubber ducks and cables and junk. And had the looks from the wife since this was at home. Told her we should install the radios in the fridge so that I could configure the radios and irradiate the food at the same time. She does not smile. That's a general comment about the wife, not about this specific situation. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Loads For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
You sure this isn't the Ham Radio list? J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads Jeremy forgot to add: 1. Solder the LMR center conductor to the top of a 6-in long banana. 2. Solder the LMR braid to the top of an 8-in long banana. 3. Submerge both bananas in a two-gallon plastic pail of dill pickle juice. 4. Once in the pail be sure that the bananas are NOT touching each other or else the transmitter can short out. Jeremy Parr wrote: 2009/8/24 Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com st...@pcswin.com: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Strip some LMR back about 3/4, and fan out the braid. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
My battery would be dead. They are ALWAYS DEAD! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Crescent wrench beats all wrenches. Especially if you get the battery powered one! On 8/24/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I could be wrong, but even being self-employed, you are still subject to the OSHA rules. You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to follow the OSHA guidelines. Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench. Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
No as self employed your exempt, as long as what your not doing is not endangering a employee or creating a hazard to them because you have to provide a work place to an employee that is free from *recognized* hazards that could cause harm or death to your employee. There are three types of work that are not OSHA covered. First one is self-employed persons. Then you have immediate family only operated farms and then finally any other work that is regulated by other federal agencies or other federal law (ain't that one pretty vague?). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:39:13 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I do the exact same thing and it has been flawless. I use eoip tunnels from the wireless to the 493 to better separate radios. No perfomance issues at all. Bill Gaylord Robert West wrote: Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Why would you use eoip tunnels from the radio to the router when you are plugging them into the 493 anyway? That seems to reverse what you are trying to accomplish simplicity and performance wise... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I do the exact same thing and it has been flawless. I use eoip tunnels from the wireless to the 493 to better separate radios. No perfomance issues at all. Bill Gaylord Robert West wrote: Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
Ops...better remember to trim the bananas for minimum SWR oh yeah - the pickle juice should be from kosher dills... Robert West wrote: You sure this isn't the Ham Radio list? J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads Jeremy forgot to add: 1. Solder the LMR center conductor to the top of a 6-in long banana. 2. Solder the LMR braid to the top of an 8-in long banana. 3. Submerge both bananas in a two-gallon plastic pail of dill pickle juice. 4. Once in the pail be sure that the bananas are NOT touching each other or else the transmitter can short out. Jeremy Parr wrote: 2009/8/24 Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com st...@pcswin.com: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Strip some LMR back about 3/4, and fan out the braid. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Mostly because many of my sites begin as a 433 on the tower with 2 radios and nothing on the ground. As the site grows, I move the routing functions to the ground into something with more power. Sometimes a PC based MT, other times a 433AH. I then will use 2 tunnels to separate the two radio cards at the top. It has just helped us grow sites easier. Eoip tunnels use very little processor. Others sites started with a 433AH on the bottom and had a switch for more ports. The tunnels allows me to easily separate customers on different APs or different Virtual APs, even when there is just one Ethernet cable running down the tower. Bill Gaylord Scott Carullo wrote: Why would you use eoip tunnels from the radio to the router when you are plugging them into the 493 anyway? That seems to reverse what you are trying to accomplish simplicity and performance wise... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I do the exact same thing and it has been flawless. I use eoip tunnels from the wireless to the 493 to better separate radios. No perfomance issues at all. Bill Gaylord Robert West wrote: Do you use a transparent bridge between them and the 493? At first I was thinking that was a lot for the 411 but if used as just a pass-through to the switch, that would be a brilliant thing indeed I think. Anyone see any drawbacks to that? That would certainly isolate all the RF from the other cards, I think. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 493AH or switch, depending on how old it is. All the PoEs have to come back to a central point anyways. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Dennis, How are you putting those together into the backhaul? Are you plugging them into a switch? Sounds like the ideal way to go as far as isolating a failure. You using Os level 4 per 411 I would suspect.? Robert West Just micro Digital Services inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 05:10:06PM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_load -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
You can strip the shield back on coax like suggested, but you stand the chance of having too high of a standing wave ratio and harming the RF amp. You can just keep a couple rubber duckies with the right gender changer on the bench, or terminate to a proper dummy load like these: http://www.rfparts.com/dummy.html Mike At 04:10 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BBS'n
I got my Trash 80 in 1978 when I was just out of high school. The 16k upgrade was a buget buster. -RickG On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Oh, god no! I bought so much TRS-80 crap that in 1998, the manager of my local Radio Shack called me up and asked me to come over. They were under orders to clean out the stock room of old stuff and he had a pile of new in the box TRS-80's and all sorts of odd ball accessories. Mine for free he said, he was told to destroy and dispose of it. Wasn't much use to me then, heck, it was 1998 for Pete's sake. But I took it and slowly used the bits for something or gave things away. Wish I had it all now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Dont make me get my TRS-80 out! -RickG On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: I ran GBBS on my Apple ][+ (that I still have)... and also Proving Grounds (DD based) on that system as well. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: I ran my BBS on an Atari 800 Robert West wrote: Sheesh! I ran Fidonet for a time then moved up to PCBoard with 4 nodes. Man, that was livin'. I think I still have my install disks someplace and my huge box of 200 2.5 floppy backup set. Ran it on an IBM XT 286. Speed, brother! All about the speed! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Funny, I remember running a BBS on a Timex Sinclair computer. And then along came FIDONET. I sure miss that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? 5Mb, and 5 min to spin up... Remember watching the lights dim when you turned it on? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] BBS'n
LOL, the VIC-20 was my upgrade from the TRS-80. Never got the floppy. Just went straight to the IBM PCjr for the color sound. -RickG On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I wrote my first BBS software to work/go live on a Commodore Vic-20, and 150kb floppy. Its amazing how much data those things could handle with an efficient file system and text data. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] BBS'n Oh, god no! I bought so much TRS-80 crap that in 1998, the manager of my local Radio Shack called me up and asked me to come over. They were under orders to clean out the stock room of old stuff and he had a pile of new in the box TRS-80's and all sorts of odd ball accessories. Mine for free he said, he was told to destroy and dispose of it. Wasn't much use to me then, heck, it was 1998 for Pete's sake. But I took it and slowly used the bits for something or gave things away. Wish I had it all now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Dont make me get my TRS-80 out! -RickG On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: I ran GBBS on my Apple ][+ (that I still have)... and also Proving Grounds (DD based) on that system as well. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: I ran my BBS on an Atari 800 Robert West wrote: Sheesh! I ran Fidonet for a time then moved up to PCBoard with 4 nodes. Man, that was livin'. I think I still have my install disks someplace and my huge box of 200 2.5 floppy backup set. Ran it on an IBM XT 286. Speed, brother! All about the speed! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Funny, I remember running a BBS on a Timex Sinclair computer. And then along came FIDONET. I sure miss that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? 5Mb, and 5 min to spin up... Remember watching the lights dim when you turned it on? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
The first thing I was taught, many years ago, was never do high work alone. jp wrote: You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Data Technology" w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
He says that cool as a cucumber! -RickG On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Ops...better remember to trim the bananas for minimum SWR oh yeah - the pickle juice should be from kosher dills... Robert West wrote: You sure this isn't the Ham Radio list? J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads Jeremy forgot to add: 1. Solder the LMR center conductor to the top of a 6-in long banana. 2. Solder the LMR braid to the top of an 8-in long banana. 3. Submerge both bananas in a two-gallon plastic pail of dill pickle juice. 4. Once in the pail be sure that the bananas are NOT touching each other or else the transmitter can short out. Jeremy Parr wrote: 2009/8/24 Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com st...@pcswin.com: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? Strip some LMR back about 3/4, and fan out the braid. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Loads
I thought a dummy load was this thread! ducking On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Scott Lambertlamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 05:10:06PM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote: For bench purposes, how hard is it to build antenna loads for the bench. I hate having to hook up a antenna, LMR and Pigtail every time I test a radio. I am pretty new to this Building my own stuff and not buying preconfigured. Can you just solder a 50 Ohm resister to some pig tails? Or is there a better answer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_load -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] solar site
Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment needed to cover his community. The ONLY way into the area is a hill that's within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power. I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this site. One backhaul and 1 distribution. I'll guess that I'll have less than a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality). We don't often get long periods of no sun. Could be days of fog or low clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun. On the foggy or cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind generation. I think. So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors welcome!) and anything else I'm missing. Thanks all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
My mechanic does a LOT of snow mobiling. He and his buddies all have a gps unit with a built in walkie talkie. Very cool. It uses a rechargeable battery that he says easily lasts a day. I think it'll use AA batteries too in a pinch. That's what I've been thinking of getting. It's a bit big but it would sure be nice to be able to talk on one too. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Looks like a winner so far. And cheap enough as you said. At that price I could do 2 so as to be able to find at least one when I need it. The Earthmate setup was big enough there was no way to lose all that mess. One for me and one for the employee who decides he doesn't want to put it where it belongs. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:05 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Was going to say that I charged it almost a year ago and used it numerous times and it still comes on without complaining. So battery in it last a long time without re charging. They are. Not end user replaceable though. But for the price I paid if the battery stop taking a charge I will just replace it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:59:40 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Sams is selling a thing called Beacon GPS tracking unit. It has no maps on it and no big fancy screen to break. It got a rubber edge. It's design for vehicle track on tracking of your hiking trailing. You need to plug it in to a usb port to download the track data. But that is superficial and unnecessary. The unit have a simple green lcd on which you can display current coordinates and height compass directions and satellite reception. I did an initial charge on it almost a year ago and used it a few times. I think the unit ran me about 85. Was looking to use it as a vehicle tracker to see how our service Van was used but it was to cumbersome to use that way IMO and no external antenna ended up getting a different unit with external antenna and gsm system so I can see real time live on a web app interface where the van is and driving speeds and where it's been without accessing the device in the van. This first unit I today just use to get gps coordinates and high info so I don't have to use laptop or a fancy flashy gps unit that costs a lot. It's about the size of a thicker flip phone so can easily be stored in your pant or breast pocket. Ohh you charge by USB cable and I want to say it came with usb sync/charge cable and car cigarette lighter adapter if not the later you probably own a few already or you can pickup a cheap one at any place that sell cellphones, pda's, mp3 players and in truck stops or even in many gas stations if you would end up forgetting it or if you simply just to have such a adapter in each car you and the business uses. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:50 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I use the Garmin Rinos. Street/Topo mapping/logging GPS's combined with a GMRS 2-way radios and a bunch of other stuff. My favorite is the 530. Way cool toys. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? My mechanic does a LOT of snow mobiling. He and his buddies all have a gps unit with a built in walkie talkie. Very cool. It uses a rechargeable battery that he says easily lasts a day. I think it'll use AA batteries too in a pinch. That's what I've been thinking of getting. It's a bit big but it would sure be nice to be able to talk on one too. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Looks like a winner so far. And cheap enough as you said. At that price I could do 2 so as to be able to find at least one when I need it. The Earthmate setup was big enough there was no way to lose all that mess. One for me and one for the employee who decides he doesn't want to put it where it belongs. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:05 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Was going to say that I charged it almost a year ago and used it numerous times and it still comes on without complaining. So battery in it last a long time without re charging. They are. Not end user replaceable though. But for the price I paid if the battery stop taking a charge I will just replace it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:59:40 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Sams is selling a thing called Beacon GPS tracking unit. It has no maps on it and no big fancy screen to break. It got a rubber edge. It's design for vehicle track on tracking of your hiking trailing. You need to plug it in to a usb port to download the track data. But that is superficial and unnecessary. The unit have a simple green lcd on which you can display current coordinates and height compass directions and satellite reception. I did an initial charge on it almost a year ago and used it a few times. I think the unit ran me about 85. Was looking to use it as a vehicle tracker to see how our service Van was used but it was to cumbersome to use that way IMO and no external antenna ended up getting a different unit with external antenna and gsm system so I can see real time live on a web app interface where the van is and driving speeds and where it's been without accessing the device in the van. This first unit I today just use to get gps coordinates and high info so I don't have to use laptop or a fancy flashy gps unit that costs a lot. It's about the size of a thicker flip phone so can easily be stored in your pant or breast pocket. Ohh you charge by USB cable and I want to say it came with usb sync/charge cable and car cigarette lighter adapter if not the later you probably own a few already or you can pickup a cheap one at any place that sell cellphones, pda's, mp3 players and in truck stops or even in many gas stations if you would end up forgetting it or if you simply just to have such a adapter in each car you and the business uses. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:50 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may
Re: [WISPA] solar site
When you are done compiling your list share the final back out please. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] solar site Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment needed to cover his community. The ONLY way into the area is a hill that's within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power. I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this site. One backhaul and 1 distribution. I'll guess that I'll have less than a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality). We don't often get long periods of no sun. Could be days of fog or low clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun. On the foggy or cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind generation. I think. So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors welcome!) and anything else I'm missing. Thanks all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Hi Marlon, Solar isn't that hard we just need to look at a details to figure out what is required and move on from there here are details to figure out about solar to make sure it works right 1. figure out how many watt-hours a day he will need for MT radio. Average and maximum watt-hours 2. what voltage he needs for his radios 3. latitude of the site 4. Average low temperature (how cold does it get) 5. Does the radio site have an unobstructed view of the Sun's path through the sky? 6. Other stuff, like physical security, 7. back up battery capacity (how many days operation without charging (for fog or cloudy days, or low sun availability - winter.) Your message stated that there were few of those days. 8. And depending on difficulty of reaching the site, what PMI interval would be desired. (affects component and battery choices.) 9. And what kind of OOB management and remote reset capabilities are desired. (cellular access, for example) I've used Talley in the past for solar in the past. You can give them the details and they'll spec it, quote it, and build it it for you Albert Esquer [aesq...@talleycom.com] is the gentleman I've worked with while at Invensys Paul Rice WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
