Re: [WISPA] solar site
Wonder Pole? Please tell me more! Mike wrote: This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the "fully charged" light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment needed to cover his community. The ONLY way into the area is a hill that's within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power. I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this site. One backhaul and 1 distribution. I'll guess that I'll have less than a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality). We don't often get long periods of no sun. Could be days of fog or low clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun. On the foggy or cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind generation. I think. So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors welcome!) and anything else I'm missing. Thanks all! marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
http://www.wonderpole.com/wp640_630.html I have had very good service from this device. Don't over-tighten the section rings in the field unless you have a pair of channel locks with you. Don't ask me how I know that. At 01:59 AM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Wonder Pole? Please tell me more! Mike wrote: This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike mailto:m...@aweiowa.comm...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment needed to cover his community. The ONLY way into the area is a hill that's within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power. I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this site. One backhaul and 1 distribution. I'll guess that I'll have less than a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality). We don't often get long periods of no sun. Could be days of fog or low clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun. On the foggy or cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind generation. I think. So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors welcome!) and anything else I'm missing. Thanks all! marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out http://www.info-ed.com/wireless.htmlwww.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] solar site
I'd love to add that to my trailer. What is the make? At 11:36 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am toting a rocket launcher) LOL Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment needed to cover his community. The ONLY way into the area is a hill that's within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power. I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this site. One backhaul and 1 distribution. I'll guess that I'll have less than a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality). We don't often get long periods of no sun. Could be days of fog or low clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun. On the foggy or cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind generation. I think. So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors welcome!) and anything else I'm missing. Thanks all! marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Desktop WiFi VoIP phone
Hi List, I'm looking for a good tried and tested WiFi desktop phone, can anybody recommend one to me? Thanks Femi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Were you speaking of the pneumatic mast in my pics, or of the wonder pole? Mine is a Wil-burt or Wilburt and they cost a bunch- like $5,000.00 new. But since the DTV rollout is complete, there should be surplus ENG trucks around with these masts. The TV stations started keeping their old trucks to use for testing. I actually had one given to me complete with pole and generator. I could not go get it and the station decided to keep it for DTV testing. Call around to your local stations and ask about surplus ENG trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'd love to add that to my trailer. What is the make? At 11:36 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am toting a rocket launcher) LOL Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment needed to cover his community. The ONLY way into the area is a hill that's within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power. I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this site. One backhaul and 1 distribution. I'll guess that I'll have less than a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality). We don't often get long periods of no sun. Could be days of fog or low clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun. On the foggy or cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind generation. I think. So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors welcome!) and anything else I'm missing. Thanks all! marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. --- - WISPA
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Would the wonder pole handle a wind load of an NS2/Canopy? What about a massive Arc MT combo? How do you mount the base? Can this be made mobile/temporary? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:55 AM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Were you speaking of the pneumatic mast in my pics, or of the wonder pole? Mine is a Wil-burt or Wilburt and they cost a bunch- like $5,000.00 new. But since the DTV rollout is complete, there should be surplus ENG trucks around with these masts. The TV stations started keeping their old trucks to use for testing. I actually had one given to me complete with pole and generator. I could not go get it and the station decided to keep it for DTV testing. Call around to your local stations and ask about surplus ENG trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'd love to add that to my trailer. What is the make? At 11:36 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am toting a rocket launcher) LOL Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment needed to cover his community. The ONLY way into the area is a hill that's within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power. I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this site. One backhaul and 1 distribution. I'll guess that I'll have less than a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality). We don't often get long periods of no sun. Could be days of fog or low clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun. On the foggy or cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind generation. I think. So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors welcome!) and anything else I'm missing. Thanks all! marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] solar site
The solar list that I participate in recommend not using the charge controller included in that kit as it is junk. They always recommend MorningStar for like $60.00. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was going to ask about this. Harbor freight has a set of 3 on sale for 199 with controller and a few other goodies. I keep meaning to go get some before they go off sale again (I may be too late already) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging. You have to get creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy them. Batteries are the biggest expense. So to answer your question, yes. At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system good enough for our radios these days? Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Thanks What do they say about the panels themselves? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site The solar list that I participate in recommend not using the charge controller included in that kit as it is junk. They always recommend MorningStar for like $60.00. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was going to ask about this. Harbor freight has a set of 3 on sale for 199 with controller and a few other goodies. I keep meaning to go get some before they go off sale again (I may be too late already) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging. You have to get creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy them. Batteries are the biggest expense. So to answer your question, yes. At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system good enough for our radios these days? Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Eje, Did you get the email I sent you offlist? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
It depends on how high you push it up. I *HAVE* had it all the way up with a 12 panel, low wind condition, one person on the ground and the other sitting on the gable end of a roof for testing. The top two sections get a little wispy (pun intended) for big panels, or to leave up. I regularly put it 20' - 26' and leave it with a panel attached. They sell a drive-on mount with a socket for holding it. I just mounted mine through the trailer side with one of those nice alloy dish mounts so I can rotate it to about 45 degrees for transport. When I set it up, I rotate upright, put the end into a socket I made from one of those floor PVC toilet bowl flanges. Eyeball along a building or vertical surface in two planes and you get the whole thing somewhat vertical. Above the mount, on the side of the trailer, I put two stainless eye bolts. Once I get the mast vertical, I put a custom fitted piece of wood with an arc cut in the end to fit the pole, between the pole and trailer and lash it with a bungy cord. Gives it a third attachment point along the trailer side; ground, middle, near the top. It's raining pretty hard right now or I'd take a picture. I can set it up on Friday in about 20 minutes at the market. At 08:03 AM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Would the wonder pole handle a wind load of an NS2/Canopy? What about a massive Arc MT combo? How do you mount the base? Can this be made mobile/temporary? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:55 AM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Were you speaking of the pneumatic mast in my pics, or of the wonder pole? Mine is a Wil-burt or Wilburt and they cost a bunch- like $5,000.00 new. But since the DTV rollout is complete, there should be surplus ENG trucks around with these masts. The TV stations started keeping their old trucks to use for testing. I actually had one given to me complete with pole and generator. I could not go get it and the station decided to keep it for DTV testing. Call around to your local stations and ask about surplus ENG trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'd love to add that to my trailer. What is the make? At 11:36 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am toting a rocket launcher) LOL Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I need a lot of help. I've never done a solar project. Never really even looked at them due to the costs I've seen tossed about. Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase
[WISPA] Need a couple of 19db CPE's
Hope this doesn't break the list rules... Anyone have a couple of Tranzeo or Deliberant 19db CPE's you are willing to part with at a reasonable price? Need something as a router - have older Tranzeo bridges in place now that don't seem to be talking well with a new Deliberant AP that we put up to replace a TR-6000 that was hit by lightning. Hate to buy new as each of these locations are trade-out customers. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
The solar panels look just like the $79.00 Northern ones. I am curious how they built the PVC frame. Not a bad deal considering it also has the controller *AND* an inverter you could keep in the truck to power your laptop charger. 60 watts is probably overkill for most of our applications except Marlon's. :-) You could even wire the four of them series/parallel to get 24V for a long CAT5 run. This stuff has really come down in price the past few months thanks to the Northern/Home Depot/Harbor Freight Chinese importers. This IS a deal maker for those remote repeater sites some of us have been contemplating. Yes Marlon, you CAN solar power a site for less than $500.00 if you're willing to do some creative work. Gotta love it. At 08:43 AM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Home depot's site. go figure. $329 a Solar Back Up Kit (as they call it.) 60 Watts. $329 http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051langId=-1catalogId=10053productId=100658288 Mike wrote: It depends on how high you push it up. I *HAVE* had it all the way up with a 12 panel, low wind condition, one person on the ground and the other sitting on the gable end of a roof for testing. The top two sections get a little wispy (pun intended) for big panels, or to leave up. I regularly put it 20' - 26' and leave it with a panel attached. They sell a drive-on mount with a socket for holding it. I just mounted mine through the trailer side with one of those nice alloy dish mounts so I can rotate it to about 45 degrees for transport. When I set it up, I rotate upright, put the end into a socket I made from one of those floor PVC toilet bowl flanges. Eyeball along a building or vertical surface in two planes and you get the whole thing somewhat vertical. Above the mount, on the side of the trailer, I put two stainless eye bolts. Once I get the mast vertical, I put a custom fitted piece of wood with an arc cut in the end to fit the pole, between the pole and trailer and lash it with a bungy cord. Gives it a third attachment point along the trailer side; ground, middle, near the top. It's raining pretty hard right now or I'd take a picture. I can set it up on Friday in about 20 minutes at the market. At 08:03 AM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Would the wonder pole handle a wind load of an NS2/Canopy? What about a massive Arc MT combo? How do you mount the base? Can this be made mobile/temporary? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:55 AM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Were you speaking of the pneumatic mast in my pics, or of the wonder pole? Mine is a Wil-burt or Wilburt and they cost a bunch- like $5,000.00 new. But since the DTV rollout is complete, there should be surplus ENG trucks around with these masts. The TV stations started keeping their old trucks to use for testing. I actually had one given to me complete with pole and generator. I could not go get it and the station decided to keep it for DTV testing. Call around to your local stations and ask about surplus ENG trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'd love to add that to my trailer. What is the make? At 11:36 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am toting a rocket launcher) LOL Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies
Re: [WISPA] solar site
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CIADLG?ie=UTF8tag=remyfu-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B000CIADLG - Original Message - From: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Home depot's site. go figure. $329 a Solar Back Up Kit (as they call it.) 60 Watts. $329 http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051langId=-1catalogId=10053productId=100658288 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need a couple of 19db CPE's
I have half of a tr5 link I used to use. I don't use it any more nor do I plan to, just been on the shelf. If that can help you or anyone else I'd like to get rid of it. It hasn't made it to ebay yet I've been cleaning the office :) hit me offlist Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Need a couple of 19db CPE's Hope this doesn't break the list rules... Anyone have a couple of Tranzeo or Deliberant 19db CPE's you are willing to part with at a reasonable price? Need something as a router - have older Tranzeo bridges in place now that don't seem to be talking well with a new Deliberant AP that we put up to replace a TR-6000 that was hit by lightning. Hate to buy new as each of these locations are trade-out customers. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Location agreement
Hey, no need to be sorry. We all need to see what contracts others are using. Thanks! Added to my files for just in case. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Location agreement Oops, didn't mean to post that to the list. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Location agreement This is an friendly one we did with another company that let us colo a tower on their place. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Location agreement I am going to plant a 60 foot pole on a fellow's farm. The plan is to light up a river valley which can't get fast Internet. Does anyone have a friendly agreement they've used and would share? Thanks, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Home depot's site. go figure. $329 a Solar Back Up Kit (as they call it.) 60 Watts. $329 http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051langId=-1catalogId=10053productId=100658288 Mike wrote: It depends on how high you push it up. I *HAVE* had it all the way up with a 12 panel, low wind condition, one person on the ground and the other sitting on the gable end of a roof for testing. The top two sections get a little wispy (pun intended) for big panels, or to leave up. I regularly put it 20' - 26' and leave it with a panel attached. They sell a drive-on mount with a socket for holding it. I just mounted mine through the trailer side with one of those nice alloy dish mounts so I can rotate it to about 45 degrees for transport. When I set it up, I rotate upright, put the end into a socket I made from one of those floor PVC toilet bowl flanges. Eyeball along a building or vertical surface in two planes and you get the whole thing somewhat vertical. Above the mount, on the side of the trailer, I put two stainless eye bolts. Once I get the mast vertical, I put a custom fitted piece of wood with an arc cut in the end to fit the pole, between the pole and trailer and lash it with a bungy cord. Gives it a third attachment point along the trailer side; ground, middle, near the top. It's raining pretty hard right now or I'd take a picture. I can set it up on Friday in about 20 minutes at the market. At 08:03 AM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Would the wonder pole handle a wind load of an NS2/Canopy? What about a massive Arc MT combo? How do you mount the base? Can this be made mobile/temporary? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:55 AM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Were you speaking of the pneumatic mast in my pics, or of the wonder pole? Mine is a Wil-burt or Wilburt and they cost a bunch- like $5,000.00 new. But since the DTV rollout is complete, there should be surplus ENG trucks around with these masts. The TV stations started keeping their old trucks to use for testing. I actually had one given to me complete with pole and generator. I could not go get it and the station decided to keep it for DTV testing. Call around to your local stations and ask about surplus ENG trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'd love to add that to my trailer. What is the make? At 11:36 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am toting a rocket launcher) LOL Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I
Re: [WISPA] Location agreement
Keep in mind to use your WISPA WIKI access, as there is a number of documents on there as well. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Â -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Location agreement Hey, no need to be sorry. We all need to see what contracts others are using. Thanks! Added to my files for just in case. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Location agreement Oops, didn't mean to post that to the list. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Location agreement This is an friendly one we did with another company that let us colo a tower on their place. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Location agreement I am going to plant a 60 foot pole on a fellow's farm. The plan is to light up a river valley which can't get fast Internet. Does anyone have a friendly agreement they've used and would share? Thanks, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need a couple of 19db CPE's
Thanks for the responses. I've found what I need. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Need a couple of 19db CPE's Hope this doesn't break the list rules... Anyone have a couple of Tranzeo or Deliberant 19db CPE's you are willing to part with at a reasonable price? Need something as a router - have older Tranzeo bridges in place now that don't seem to be talking well with a new Deliberant AP that we put up to replace a TR-6000 that was hit by lightning. Hate to buy new as each of these locations are trade-out customers. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
No negative comments, they seem to be fine. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Will it work dynamically? IE: You turn on AirMax and it auto selects the common denominator? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
The stations will, there is no enable airmax tick box in station mode, it autodetects. Regards Will it work dynamically? IE: You turn on AirMax and it auto selects the common denominator? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
I'd expect so - worst case scenario a reboot. Though I seriously doubt that - haven't seen that problem since Tranzeo (it was an *OLD* CPE that had this problem). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: So then you're saying that you start replacing things, then AirMAX capable CPE will automatically reconnect as AirMAX when the AP enables it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Does anyone know if the TDMA slicing is configurable? Like 50/50 up/down, or prioritized Voice/Video? - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Hrm, I'm 90.9% sure it's software based. It does run on the old gear, they just say it takes too many resources, and probably there wasn't a lot of will to make the old stuff compatible, when they could just make everyone buy new stuff. Regards Michael Baird Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
The EZ line is interesting. I former Alvarion engineer explained it to me this way, If you are thinking cars. The EZ line is like a Corolla and the VL line is like a Lexus. I thought that was funny. The Alvarion VL line is a great product line and we've been using is well for many years now, however, you would get better recommendations for products if you tell us what you are looking to achieve. We use Winncom and have had good results with them, Wireless Connections was also pleasant to work with but didn't plan on carrying the EZ line when I was in contact with them last (several months ago). -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
I don't have good info on that, other then I've been assured of a big surprise on the QOS end for Voice. They offer 802.11e already on their older gear, which for the most part works perfectly, but they say the new gear will improve upon that. Regards Michael Baird Does anyone know if the TDMA slicing is configurable? Like 50/50 up/down, or prioritized Voice/Video? - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Not to mention the old hardware has LITTLE memory and CPU horsepower. On 8/26/09, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: I don't have good info on that, other then I've been assured of a big surprise on the QOS end for Voice. They offer 802.11e already on their older gear, which for the most part works perfectly, but they say the new gear will improve upon that. Regards Michael Baird Does anyone know if the TDMA slicing is configurable? Like 50/50 up/down, or prioritized Voice/Video? - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] solar site
I second the Morningstar On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Mark McElvy wrote: The solar list that I participate in recommend not using the charge controller included in that kit as it is junk. They always recommend MorningStar for like $60.00. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was going to ask about this. Harbor freight has a set of 3 on sale for 199 with controller and a few other goodies. I keep meaning to go get some before they go off sale again (I may be too late already) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging. You have to get creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy them. Batteries are the biggest expense. So to answer your question, yes. At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system good enough for our radios these days? Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Specifically, the Morningstar MPPT charge controllers. -Christopher Erickson -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I second the Morningstar On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Mark McElvy wrote: The solar list that I participate in recommend not using the charge controller included in that kit as it is junk. They always recommend MorningStar for like $60.00. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was going to ask about this. Harbor freight has a set of 3 on sale for 199 with controller and a few other goodies. I keep meaning to go get some before they go off sale again (I may be too late already) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging. You have to get creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy them. Batteries are the biggest expense. So to answer your question, yes. At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system good enough for our radios these days? Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
We have 2 solar sites. 2 problems that occur, which if power is nearby makes it worth it to run power to them. 1st problem. Battery Maintenance. 2nd Problem. Low sun in the winter months. We have solar and wind to make up for the solar loss in the winter, however it seems we have to go and charge them by letting the generator run a couple of hours. Not that big a deal when you have installs in the area and can just stop by and charge them up some more. We monitor them so that we know when there is an impending power issue coming up. One site has 1 MikroTik 2.4 AP, 1 MikroTik 5GHz AP, 2 MikroTik Backhauls, a RB/493 at the base, and a 900 Trango AP and it requires little maintenance. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I second the Morningstar On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Mark McElvy wrote: The solar list that I participate in recommend not using the charge controller included in that kit as it is junk. They always recommend MorningStar for like $60.00. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was going to ask about this. Harbor freight has a set of 3 on sale for 199 with controller and a few other goodies. I keep meaning to go get some before they go off sale again (I may be too late already) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging. You have to get creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy them. Batteries are the biggest expense. So to answer your question, yes. At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system good enough for our radios these days? Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: [UBNT#JFHG-79025] Question about the new M line
Direct from the horse's mouth UBNT Support Begin forwarded message: Yes if you turn off AirMax, they will talk to older gear. However please be aware that the new gear does not support WEP encryption. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
We use Wireless Connections, Inc. and have been extremely satisfied. If they *don't* carry a product, it'd be for a good reason. I've never asked them about the EZ line though-we're quite satisfied with Alvarion's VL line. The VL does do 5.3, 5.4, and 5.8 (with the proper radio for each band, of course). Mike Cowan is the CEO and will respond to an enquiry: Mike Cowan ACC/Wireless Connections, Inc. work(419) 660-6100 workmi...@wirelessconnections.net home page www.wirelessconnections.net 166 Milan Ave Norwalk OH 44857 WCI also runs an Alvarion support list at: alvarion-supp...@wirelessconnections.net which you can sign up for at: http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php/Support-Lists-Signup.html Chuck On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Joe Miller wrote: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: [UBNT#JFHG-79025] Question about the new M line
Oh no, it doesn't support WEP what ever shall I do!!! Honestly though I am surprised WEP compatibility is gone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:42 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Direct from the horse's mouth UBNT Support Begin forwarded message: Yes if you turn off AirMax, they will talk to older gear. However please be aware that the new gear does not support WEP encryption. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: [UBNT#JFHG-79025] Question about the new M line
Good riddance about time. Will force people to use WPA instead of WEP. --Original Message-- From: Josh Luthman Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: [UBNT#JFHG-79025] Question about the new M line Sent: Aug 26, 2009 20:14 Oh no, it doesn't support WEP what ever shall I do!!! Honestly though I am surprised WEP compatibility is gone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:42 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Direct from the horse's mouth UBNT Support Begin forwarded message: Yes if you turn off AirMax, they will talk to older gear. However please be aware that the new gear does not support WEP encryption. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: [UBNT#JFHG-79025] Question about the new M line
That is what I was thinking - force out WEP. Though I have never cared much, I would rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Good riddance about time. Will force people to use WPA instead of WEP. --Original Message-- From: Josh Luthman Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: [UBNT#JFHG-79025] Question about the new M line Sent: Aug 26, 2009 20:14 Oh no, it doesn't support WEP what ever shall I do!!! Honestly though I am surprised WEP compatibility is gone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:42 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Direct from the horse's mouth UBNT Support Begin forwarded message: Yes if you turn off AirMax, they will talk to older gear. However please be aware that the new gear does not support WEP encryption. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: [UBNT#JFHG-79025] Question about the new M line
The next release of the firmware will support WEP. And yes that's what we said earlier you have to turn airmax off on the AP for non-airmax gear to talk to it. Regards Michael Baird Oh no, it doesn't support WEP what ever shall I do!!! Honestly though I am surprised WEP compatibility is gone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:42 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Direct from the horse's mouth UBNT Support Begin forwarded message: Yes if you turn off AirMax, they will talk to older gear. However please be aware that the new gear does not support WEP encryption. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
http://www.altestore.com/store/ is where I get my solar panels. That panel looks like the 48v one they sell for a similar price. Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. 2 60's might work for a small 1 MT site. Then you're looking at closer to $1k for 120w of panel, charge controller, and 8d sized deep cycle battery. We have 3 solar powered sites. The most recent one needs 200w of solar to power 1 rb433ah with 3 cards, 1 Alvarion vl900 AU. We have about 400AH of battery (12v) and a morningstar controller. 15w is a toy solar panel or a battery charger, not a something to power a site. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 07:05:51PM -0700, John Thomas wrote: It looks like there is a sweet spot at 60 watts http://www.solarhome.org/51-60wattsolarpanels.aspx About $250 each. John Mike wrote: I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging. You have to get creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy them. Batteries are the biggest expense. So to answer your question, yes. At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system good enough for our radios these days? Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
24 hours of sun in 33 days is enough to run 12 watts. That's just amazing when you think about it! On 8/27/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Don't forget that there is some inefficiency in the battery and some self discharge. So you don't get a watt out for every watt in. Also don't forget that if you're doing this on a budget you're probably using batteries which are made to deep cycle often so they won't last long if being discharged often below the 80% full charge level (you shouldn't plan on using more than 20% of the battery's capability regularly). Your no sun calculation of 33.3 days run time might be accurate, but you should probably figure 33.3 * .2 = 6.66 days is the max amount of no sun time you'd consider your system is built for, knowing in an emergency you could run longer but by taking a toll on your batteries. 6.66 days of no sun is still a lot and wouldn't happen often so you're probably still OK. It's always worth it to over- engineer a solar system on both the panels and the batteries. Also some solar panel manufacturers are a bit optimistic in their wattage rating. Also solar panels act like constant current generators putting out a more or less constant current over a range of voltage. A panel that puts out 2 amps will give 2 amps into a battery that's 11.5 volts or 14 volts (if the panel's Voc is high enough to still deliver it's 2 amps into a 14 volt battery) and though technically it's more wattage at 14 volts I believe that as far as the batteries are concerned the 2 amps is the number that matters, not that wattage. It's better to figure by amps and not watts, and to use actual measured amperage and not the manufacturers numbers (short circuit current or max working current). Greg On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Mike wrote: I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
I don't think his 24 hours of sun number meant in one 24 hour period. I think he meant 24 hours of sun cumulative over 33 days. No? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Here is the graph straight from the charge monitor for our solar panels, to give you an idea what the charging pattern looks like. This is for a pair of 60w panels. http://www.thelar.com/gallery2/v/Wireless/Hogback/graph_image1.png.html Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Could be but that isn't right either. 24 hours of daylight is not the same as 24 hours of full current charging. The Sun rises and the Sun sets. Latitude and seasons aside, an 80 watt panel is only going to give about 450 watt-hours a day at absolute best. -Christopher Erickson -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I don't think his 24 hours of sun number meant in one 24 hour period. I think he meant 24 hours of sun cumulative over 33 days. No? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Am I missing something? 24 (hours of sun) * 60 watts = 1,440 watt hours of solar power produced. 12 (watts) * 24 (hours in a day) * 33 (days) = 9504 (watt hours) not 1,440 of power consumed. Working backwards starting with 1,440 watt hours to burn: 1,440 watt hours / 12 (watts) * 24 (hours in day) = 5 days of no sun run time till your batteries are totally flat. If you plan on only discharging your batteries 20% or in other words only using 20% of your solar power produced based on 24 hours of sun (1,440 watt hours) then that's 288 watt hours to burn, which is one day's run time. Let's look at it another way. You shouldn't be thinking that you're getting more than 5 hours of good sun a day with fixed facing solar panels (no tracking the sun throughout the day) and even that number is probably a little too generous but let's use it. So that's 5 (hours) * 60 (watts) giving 300 watt hours produced each day. 12 (watts) times 24 hours is 288 watt hours. That's only leaving you 12 watt hours up your sleeve and that's assuming perfect efficiency. Greg On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 24 hours of sun in 33 days is enough to run 12 watts. That's just amazing when you think about it! On 8/27/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
