I agree. I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy. I pass it along
and forget it. Not my job.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to
protect their copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since
they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they
really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the
copyright owner to the
What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems like
then more of the burden might fall on you.
GReg
On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote:
To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to
protect their copyright interest. It makes sense to
It all depends on the ISP.
All they are doing is looking for the abuse email on the network. For our
network this is us. However, Some of the bigger ISP's (TWTC...ect) actually
have a up to date whois that you can query, So you Put in the info for lets
say 65.33.33.33 and it says TWTC but once
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from,
When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could
become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point fingers at
a customer.
Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106
This is the critical phrase
The measure will expand who pays into the fund
Anyone know the answer?
This is good if it makes high volume DSL and Cable Co to continue to pay USF
fees.
But not so good if it makes suburban WISPs have to start paying into the
fund. Its a competitive advantage
So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the offending
customer? We are running static/public so we don't run into this.
I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP for the
server delivering copyrighted information.
The ISP has to be tracking CPE
That works for current infringements but what about those last night? last
week? last month?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at
OR one can just do a professional install job, and not have loose
cables, and properly stable/fasten all cables flush to surfaces every three
feet, and run behind walls, and under trims, etc. Dogs have never been a
threat to my installs. Sure a Dog might chew a 6ft Patch Cable, but thats
good point.
So what does the law require?
Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public IP
exposed the ISP to legal suit?
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday,
OK so let's play out the scenario.
Studio wants ISP send a letter to the customer
ISP is NAT/DHCP - has no way to know
Studio gets subpoena
What now? At this point LEA is involved which demands cooperation.
If the network is open WiFi, then there truly is no way to know.
If the network is fixed
But they also keep records of who had which IP when.
Greg
On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Keep in mind, too, that IPs are dynamic with most ISPs.
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AFAIK your assertion that NAT/DHCP - has no way to know is not
entirely correct.
Just how most Cable companies require you to register the MAC address of
your modem to tie to your account (DHCP has logs you know), University
students sign up for dorm internet using their mac address (which
So what does the law require?
It doesn't.
Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public
IP exposed the ISP to legal suit?
If the law changes and says each customer is required to have a public IP,
then ISPs need to be provided as such.
Keep in mind, too, that IPs
This is correct, But the cable companys hand out public addresses with
DHCP. So you can say, Yeah This address was assigned to mac on this date.
And they know the offending IP because it was in the email, But When you
nat all your customers, the ip in the email is the IP assigned to the wan
Rick,
No your assumption is not true.
Property Tax is applied on property. When you buy radio CPE it shows up
on your financials as property, and if you TAX DEDUCT the cost of the CPE,
which I sure hope you do for your benefit, you have claimed those purchases
as property. A Auditor isn;t
Quick Clarification
As far as I know Personal Property Tax is a County Tax, and taxation is
under the jurisdiction of the County Code, so its possible some states or
Counties might not have a Personal Property Tax on anything. However, in
our case the State collect Property Tax on behalf
WISPA as well will be filing comments, and have been patiently waiting this
anticipated ROI.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Charles Wu
To: memb...@wispa.org ; WISPA General List
Sent: Tuesday, November 10,
Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it
really your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the offending
Are you asking if it is our job to follow the tax law?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Adam Goodman
This actually leads to another question:
Based on Federal CALEA requirements, aren't we (the service provider)
supposed to keep our detail records of subscibers and usage logs
.We keep logs by using a centralied Syslog server, where we log access,
based on time stamp records, we can go
no it's not.
but a subpoena means drop everything and do it now. I'd rather be
prepared to comply
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote:
Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it
really your (our) job to protect those
CALEA does require that you be able to identify subscribers by IP address
and, as necessary take captures. So, once this data is collected for CALEA
compliance purposes (as is mandatory), then it can be used in other legal
proceedings.
However, I don't see how a service provider has to provide
Do we have to do the logging or just give them a port to connect their
magic box into so they can record everything?
LaRoy McCann
Data Technology
Jerry Richardson wrote:
no it's not.
but a subpoena means drop everything and do it now. I'd rather be
prepared to comply
Sent from my iPhone
We've had dogs pull the cable right off the side of the building.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
OR one
This information will help clarify (or confuse further)
http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re:
We're operate a small cable TV company in a minor section of our service area
and carry about 55 channels which includes most of the major networks.
We're interested in deploying IPTV. What middleware software would you
recommend? You mentioned you used Linux in your headend environment. Can
The point I was making is that
Based on CALEA requirements, each ISP is supposed to keep records of useage
and access, and should be available via easy access (not a few hrs of
research).
Disclosing the End user info to DMCA That is not what we do and not in
favor off either, but using
You do NOT have to be able to identify the user by IP. What you have to be
able to do is forward (in real time) all traffic to LEA.
Butch Evens helped write our standard:
http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/index.html
he'll be able to give you much more accurate info on the specifics than I
can.
You have to follow network designs that allow for CALEA intercepts if need
be. If you've not looked at the WISPA standard I'd suggest you do so now.
It'll be a lot easier to comply if the network is designed for LEA interface
ahead of time.
http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/index.html
marlon
You have to be able to Identify the Customer, weather you do it via IP or
any other info is a monior Technicality. A lot of the Subpoena issued
via mail or fax are more 'in support' of whatever the case the appropriate
law enforcemnet agency is working on.
Next time you get a Subpoena
It's dumb. You could have 100s of folks behind a NAT.
You can identify the account connection to your system but not the ID of
the computer.
It isn't well thought out.
. . . J o n a t h a n
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
That's the point I was trying to make.
If you are going to run NAT/DHCP, then you need to track the MAC address of the
CPE's.
If it's an open WiFi network, then all bets are off.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of
We Nat everyone and we log not much of anything because I'm an internet
service, not a monitoring service. They don't pay me to do such things
therefore I don't. However, I did have one case of suspected child porn and
told the cops to feel free to install their own box to log it and they did.
An that will be sufficient assuming that you can point to an IP on your network
and know who has it at the time. the only way to do that is to track the MAC
address of the CPE.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Robert
Exactly. They are the detectives so I basically told them to feel free to
detect. Just don't mess with my network.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:27 PM
To: WISPA
I assume you gave them a port on your edge switch that mirrored your network
feed?
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA
They just plugged some linux box one of their computer cop dudes put
together into our main switch in the office and left. They monitored it
from the cop shop. All we told them was we needed to see a court order
before they plugged the thing in.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From:
Tom,
Your reply is the the info I was looking for. Thanks for your reply. I do
believe you are correct but I'll double-check with my county and CPA. I've
moved so many times around the country that I cant keep up! Just a note, we
have been paying our property taxes by default because of our
How about
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetailproductId=69899-1267-FO550Mlpage=none
where the dogs can reach it?
John
Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going
from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple
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