Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Having pastored in the nations poorest city I would far from disagree with you. Folks that should have never been able to have a home were given the ability to obtain loans - That is an understatement. The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure They have made it all to easy for folks to own a home -never even bothering to figure out if its a worthy cause. Let's face it - Loans were written to people that made minimum wage - much like the first Credit card I was given with a 20K limit as a freshman in college without a job. Perhaps we should take a step back and simply ask - Instead of Frannie and Freddy - perhaps The Government does not belong in the home ownership game. If you look at the price of the average home since 1890 until today - you will find that it appears at first to be a great investment. However - if you adjust that thinking with the rate of inflation - you would realize that for many - it is far from the American Dream... The Saga of Home ownership and real estate is really one of a relatively flat history - except for the past few years where folks were able to flip before the drop... (2006-2007) Many people utilize their home as the ultimate credit card... They get locked into this pattern of either mortgaging to pay for their lifestyle - or... selling and getting bigger and better. Can anyone of us admit that we know so much about the real-estate market to play the odds? If so - then lets watch them @ the tables in Vegas for the WISPA event Anyhow - lets get back to the topic of the thread itself and the blog posting I actually posted... here it is in its glory (or lack there of ... links however are on the blog live ) Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) “Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik’s Cube?…Any Internet company that offers a voice application?” … “With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn’t voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?” Is Broadband able to be classified as a common carrier service? The FCC most assuredly believes this is well within its authority – and is exercising these “policies” not just over the agency’s ability to regulate the NET – but if it can be classified as a common carrier service. Comcast is suing the FCC over its Order sanctioning the company for P2P blocking – so their ability to “regulate” needs to be clearly defined – of course re-defining a government entity is not an easy task… however defining ISPs as common carriers would seem suited to the FCC’s purposes, especially if given Title II’s clear definition of what a common carrier can’t do: “It shall be unlawful for any common carrier to make any unjust or unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, regulations, facilities, or services for or in connection with like communication service, directly or indirectly, by any means or device, or to make or give any undue or unreasonable preference or advantage to any particular person, class of persons, or locality, or to subject any particular person, class of persons, or locality to any undue or unreasonable prejudice or disadvantage.” McDowell stated, “At the same time, broadband companies create and maintain software with millions of lines of code inside their systems. They also own app stores that are seamlessly connected to their networks. As technology advances, will the government be able to make the distinctions between applications and networks necessary under a new regulatory regime?… Will it (the government) be able to do so in Internet Time?” One thing is clear - If we were able to agree on some basic tenets providers could utilize to ensure all accounts are serviceable based upon not only “bandwidth” but also “throughput” most of these arguments would simply be a mute point. This past October (2009) The FCC laid out its draft for network neutrality rules which appears to allow to the greater extent a “free and open Internet.” The principles already existing from 2005: Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice Consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers. Those principles along with two new additional principles are
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality
I've been on wireless lists and watched discussions about network management, traffic management, and damage control for what's almost a decade now.What I can say with confidence can be summed up as follows: We in this industry have absolutely no common agreement on a vast array of network management issues.While we agree generally that such network manage must be done, we're as diverse in our approach, methods, philosophy and even goals, as we are in number. I doubt that any random pickings of 100 WISP's would, if each management approach is studied carefully, would find that there would be any system or common approach with numbers higher than 10, of WISP's who use very similar approaches to ANYTHING. Can ANYONE, with confidence, read the below statement of ideas, and come away believing the the FCC people (and far less likely Congress) could write the rules and end up even the below IDEAS in play, much less actually accomplish what they're after, while at the same time not causing any of us monster headaches, and major issues due to the fact that they just haven't any idea what the bloody heck they're doing? WE COULD NOT DO IT FOR EACH OTHER.I don't know if you'd dispute that, but that's my take. I could not write a legalese network administration rule set that wouldn't eventually result in havoc for most of you. And vice versa. Confidence they'll make it work out well..??? Great... what kind of supermen do they have?They can walk on water, never fart, and their feet don't stink, as well? I'd really like to meet these supermen who can not only build an all encompassing set of regulations that allow us to have full flexibility for network management, but manage to write in in LEGALESE that we can understand and implement, while keeping all the technical aspects fully transparent and intact. NOWHERE and in no place is there any evidence of this type of approach. Rather, the system becomes tightly chained down, legally codifying design, mechanism, and methods, along with legal standards and mechanisms designed to measure and define the outcomes.It has taken... errr... nearly a decade, to get INFORMAL AGREEMENT from the FCC concerning antenna substitution, and it's not ACTUALLY in the legal language of the rules, just advised as a policy concerning ENFORCEMENT. We have de facto modular approval to build our own stuff... But again, it's... enforcement policy, not coded into the rules. I note with some humor that the FCC has considered itself to be 'highly flexible and adaptable when it comes to technological change.Yet, compared to how WE need to function, it's iron bound rigidity. Let's not go fooling ourselves that net neutrality is going to be reasonable and wise.That's the stuff of fantasies. There is no real life example to exist, and no reason to believe any earthshaking change is on the way on behalf of our Swamp on the Potomac.It's going to end up being fine grained, and will be specifying mechanisms, procedure, methods, and even defining how to arrive at a comply/not comply via detailed and specific testing. They don't have the enforcement capacity, the courts will not have judgment to determine what is and isn't reasonable. There will be no reasonable standard, it will be much like the rigidity of every other mandate.The rules will be written for THEIR convenience, and our cost and headaches are of no concern and never will be.There's no federal agency with the expertise which can understand and analyze our networks to comply with philosophical goals. Instead, there will be specific and detailed mandates and compliance will be... well, just don't think it'll be ... flexible.Perhaps by their standards, but that's still a rigidity and regimentation that would put the Army to shame. Somewhere, somehow, we need to make a stand... NO more intrusion into what we do. Period. We should have been doing this before the more needed to be inserted into that statement, but that chance was lost before it even technically, since founding WISPA members ASKED the FCC to get involved in our business in the first place, before there was actually a WISPA. This rejection of regulatory excess isn't limited to internet provider folks.It's being thrown at EVERYONE. From very onerous rules about family farms and small producers of anything edible, to requiring you to buy a type of insurance just to be allowed to breath, and many, many other items, there's no reason to think that reasonable is anywhere within this government's vocabulary - at least not in a form that any of us would recognize.It's time to take a phrase from that OTHER Reagan... and Just say no!. -- From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:03 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Jack, I actually had a biology professor who really believed in live and let die. He didn't believe in sending foreign aid to those countries not able to grow enough food to sustain themselves. He also subscribed heavily to the Monroe Doctrine. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Just keep saying to yourself. 1. Overpopulation is good. 2 Political corruption does not exist. Good luck and best wishes. ;-) jack RickG wrote: Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing them? Marks comments were spot on and I couldnt have said them any better, so I'm resending them with my name on the end. I respect your right to your viewpoint but I hope you have data to support the claims. I know the the data is there for the more conservative claims. So, just in case you hit delete: Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC.These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -RickG On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Sorry Mark, I truly appreciate and enjoy responding to all appropriate and responsible posts but your LONG HISTORY of troll behavior will FOREVER elicit the same response from me. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. MDK wrote: Jack, it remains very difficult to be civil, when you post this kind of stuff. Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC.These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -- From: Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com Sent:
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
1. Define overpopulation? I saw some numbers once that the entire world's population could have a nice size house on a decent piece of property in Texas...can't imagine the infrastructure requirements, but whatever. 2. Political corruption is a reality in any system. It's the best argument for term limits. Personally, I'd like to see the personal limits on contributions removed and make campaigns post their contributions on the internet. 6-7 rich guys financed McGovern's campaign before all the post-Watergate regulations. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Just keep saying to yourself. 1. Overpopulation is good. 2 Political corruption does not exist. Good luck and best wishes. ;-) jack RickG wrote: Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing them? Marks comments were spot on and I couldnt have said them any better, so I'm resending them with my name on the end. I respect your right to your viewpoint but I hope you have data to support the claims. I know the the data is there for the more conservative claims. So, just in case you hit delete: Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC.These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -RickG On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Sorry Mark, I truly appreciate and enjoy responding to all appropriate and responsible posts but your LONG HISTORY of troll behavior will FOREVER elicit the same response from me. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. MDK wrote: Jack, it remains very difficult to be civil, when you post this kind of stuff. Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge
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That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they were taken advantage of by their lendor. Even with Bankruptcy, there are some interesing stats, for example, almost all people that go bankrupt religiously paid their bills the many years prior to, and that they had an average interest increase of 80-100% the year they filed. The borrower could have paid and wanted to pay, but whenthey felt there was no way out of getting screwed by the lender, they make a business decission. Part of the problem was dishonest overstated appraisals, and greedy lenders approving loans at values higher than the homes should be worth. Sure there is a percentage of foreclosure that are legitimate cases where the homeowner can no longer afford to pay their mortgage. But many are conscience business decissions on their investment. Why do you think Obama decided to help Middle class save their homes, while they let the most needy loose their homes? A Interest rate savings canbe justified as a clear business decission that might influence the middle class home owner to want to keep their home, instead of purposely defaulting. I will agree that the Government is not taking the right approach to solve the problems. But they surely are not the cause of the problem. Assisting Americans into HomeOwnership is one of the largest success stories for America. And government assistance (such as FHA loan) was one of the answers to when the private sector was not willing to solve the problem on their own. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Brad Belton wrote: Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that give up and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist
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Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they were taken advantage of by their lendor. Even with Bankruptcy, there are some interesing stats, for example, almost all people that go bankrupt religiously paid their bills the many years prior to, and that they had an average interest increase of 80-100% the year they filed. The borrower could have paid and wanted to pay, but whenthey felt there was no way out of getting screwed by the lender, they make a business decission. Part of the problem was dishonest overstated appraisals, and greedy lenders approving loans at values higher than the homes should be worth. Sure there is a percentage of foreclosure that are legitimate cases where the homeowner can no longer afford to pay their mortgage. But many are conscience business decissions on their investment. Why do you think Obama decided to help Middle class save their homes, while they let the most needy loose their homes? A Interest rate savings canbe justified as a clear business decission that might influence the middle class home owner to want to keep their home, instead of purposely defaulting. I will agree that the Government is not taking the right approach to solve the problems. But they surely are not the cause of the problem. Assisting Americans into HomeOwnership is one of the largest success stories for America. And government assistance (such as FHA loan) was one of the answers to when the private sector was not willing to solve the problem on their own. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Brad Belton wrote: Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that give up and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
And driving almost to the dam to find no where to eat and ending up at some steak house, but it was less expensive than the other place that's for sure. I don't care what it's called, but I'm with Marlon, I like the manufacturer neutrality gathering and yes I'd like to have it in Columbus, Ohio. -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:12:37 -0600 *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Heck with it, vendors contact me if you want to showcase wares in a show for WISPs or DISPs. -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:24:25 -0600 On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 21:16 -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: That sounds like a great idea, but I would like to think the WISP folks bathe more often than some of the people at the hamfest... Of course you all realize that the board has already decided to work with Ed Meeks group and that Ed Meeks group is going to decide the location of the show (I'd bet on Vegas). I don't want to quell discussion, but thought I'd point that out in case anyone was thinking there may be a way to influence the decision for where the show is held. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Columbus Ohio, yes. 25$ an hour, heck I got one for three for only $99 to your door. Course I imagine that is only to the door. -- Original Message -- From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:39:09 -0500 I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality
The Community Reinvestment Act was first passed in 1977. It was later changed under Bush in 1989 because of the S L crisis. I mention this only to provide some context as to how long it has been with us and the variety of administrations that have affected it. It was really the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 that put us in the current situation with Fannie and Freddie securitizing CRA loans. That in and of itself didn't get us here. It was really the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that started us down the wrong road. This ultimately allowed companies like Goldman to create CDOs, sell them, and buy insurance against their failure all without having any interest in the underlying securities. Sorry for the history lesson, but I thought the background was useful. Understand that by 2004 only 30% of mortgages were done under CRA and in 2005 regulatory changes allowed certain banks to do less CRA mortgage lending. Thus, it just isn't credible to suggest that the CRA caused the housing crisis. Was the housing crisis created by people getting mortgages they couldn't afford? Yes, but that wasn't limited to CRA mortgages. Both parties helped get more people into houses they couldn't afford for their own reasons. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they were taken advantage of by their lendor. Even with Bankruptcy, there are some interesing stats, for example, almost all people that go bankrupt religiously paid their bills the many years prior to, and that they had an average interest increase of 80-100% the year they filed. The borrower could have paid and wanted to pay, but whenthey felt there was no way out of getting screwed by the lender, they make a business decission. Part of the problem was dishonest overstated appraisals, and greedy lenders approving loans at values higher than the homes should be worth. Sure there is a percentage of foreclosure that are legitimate cases where the homeowner can no longer afford to pay their mortgage. But many are conscience business decissions on their investment. Why do you think Obama decided to help Middle class save their homes, while they let the most needy loose their homes? A Interest rate savings canbe justified as a clear business decission that might influence the middle class
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. Thanks for taking the lead on this! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality
CRA was started under Carter and greatly expanded under Clinton. This is a far more detailed conversation then we can have here, but the fact is that if the government (Fan and Fred) hadn't created the market for the paper, this could not have happened. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality The Community Reinvestment Act was first passed in 1977. It was later changed under Bush in 1989 because of the S L crisis. I mention this only to provide some context as to how long it has been with us and the variety of administrations that have affected it. It was really the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 that put us in the current situation with Fannie and Freddie securitizing CRA loans. That in and of itself didn't get us here. It was really the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that started us down the wrong road. This ultimately allowed companies like Goldman to create CDOs, sell them, and buy insurance against their failure all without having any interest in the underlying securities. Sorry for the history lesson, but I thought the background was useful. Understand that by 2004 only 30% of mortgages were done under CRA and in 2005 regulatory changes allowed certain banks to do less CRA mortgage lending. Thus, it just isn't credible to suggest that the CRA caused the housing crisis. Was the housing crisis created by people getting mortgages they couldn't afford? Yes, but that wasn't limited to CRA mortgages. Both parties helped get more people into houses they couldn't afford for their own reasons. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they were taken advantage of by their lendor. Even with Bankruptcy, there are some interesing stats, for example, almost all people that go bankrupt religiously paid their bills the many years prior to, and that they had an average interest increase of 80-100% the year they filed. The borrower could have paid and wanted to pay, but whenthey felt there
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Zip lines sound fun! On 2/5/10, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn’t about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ]On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show.
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality
That is factual incorrect. Only minor changes were made to CRA under Clinton. It was the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act also under Clinton that required Fannie and Freddie to securitize a certain percentage of CRA mortgages. Again, only a fraction of the bad mortgages that caused the housing crisis were subject to CRA. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: CRA was started under Carter and greatly expanded under Clinton. This is a far more detailed conversation then we can have here, but the fact is that if the government (Fan and Fred) hadn't created the market for the paper, this could not have happened. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality The Community Reinvestment Act was first passed in 1977. It was later changed under Bush in 1989 because of the S L crisis. I mention this only to provide some context as to how long it has been with us and the variety of administrations that have affected it. It was really the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 that put us in the current situation with Fannie and Freddie securitizing CRA loans. That in and of itself didn't get us here. It was really the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that started us down the wrong road. This ultimately allowed companies like Goldman to create CDOs, sell them, and buy insurance against their failure all without having any interest in the underlying securities. Sorry for the history lesson, but I thought the background was useful. Understand that by 2004 only 30% of mortgages were done under CRA and in 2005 regulatory changes allowed certain banks to do less CRA mortgage lending. Thus, it just isn't credible to suggest that the CRA caused the housing crisis. Was the housing crisis created by people getting mortgages they couldn't afford? Yes, but that wasn't limited to CRA mortgages. Both parties helped get more people into houses they couldn't afford for their own reasons. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
I love it that they had the FCC step in to stop the consumer protest and declare... to purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern. Such BS. Isn't any large protest a potential safety concern? I'm now off to cover myself in bubble wrap. One can't be too safe, ya know. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up? Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth
Marco We are looking for 50 meg pipe in Pulaski Tn.16724 west college st. Ray - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Can you give an exact address and quantity of bandwidth you're looking for? Marco On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Ray Jean webbil...@surfmore.net wrote: Anyone know of a cheap provider of bandwidth in southern middle Tennessee? Thanks Ray Jean WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
H... Mikes beer or Josh's beer... Depends on the beer, Mike. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality
The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. The cash for clunkers will probably have the same results. People getting a new car payment they probably wouldn't have qualified for without big government intervention. We have a customer that specializes in asset recovery...they gave an enthusiastic hip-hip-hurray for cash for clunkers because they know they'll be picking up a good portion of those cars in the coming years. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality That is factual incorrect. Only minor changes were made to CRA under Clinton. It was the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act also under Clinton that required Fannie and Freddie to securitize a certain percentage of CRA mortgages. Again, only a fraction of the bad mortgages that caused the housing crisis were subject to CRA. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: CRA was started under Carter and greatly expanded under Clinton. This is a far more detailed conversation then we can have here, but the fact is that if the government (Fan and Fred) hadn't created the market for the paper, this could not have happened. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality The Community Reinvestment Act was first passed in 1977. It was later changed under Bush in 1989 because of the S L crisis. I mention this only to provide some context as to how long it has been with us and the variety of administrations that have affected it. It was really the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 that put us in the current situation with Fannie and Freddie securitizing CRA loans. That in and of itself didn't get us here. It was really the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that started us down the wrong road. This ultimately allowed companies like Goldman to create CDOs, sell them, and buy insurance against their failure all without having any interest in the underlying securities. Sorry for the history lesson, but I thought the background was useful. Understand that by 2004 only 30% of mortgages were done under CRA and in 2005 regulatory changes allowed certain banks to do less CRA mortgage lending. Thus, it just isn't credible to suggest that the CRA caused the housing crisis. Was the housing crisis created by people getting mortgages they couldn't afford? Yes, but that wasn't limited to CRA mortgages. Both parties helped get more people into houses they couldn't afford for their own reasons. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale.
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Yeah I got a kick out of that article and to see the discussion re FCC and net-neutrality and FCC probes in anticompetive behavior and application prohibitations for the Iphone et all. Then to find out that this rebellion was planned but FCC worked to stopped it. Stay safe. Don't get out of bed. It's dangerous to drive, dangerous to walk on the streets, dangerous to operate your electronics and irresponsible to talk on the cellphone someone that might need to make an important phone call to might not be able to.. So just stay in bed, don't touch that cellphone, landline phone OR your laptop... Ohh there might be dangerous lights emitting from your TV so do not turn it on either. Now where did I put my foil hat. Darn weather radars and satellite signals are getting to me today Might need more foil / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality I love it that they had the FCC step in to stop the consumer protest and declare... to purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern. Such BS. Isn't any large protest a potential safety concern? I'm now off to cover myself in bubble wrap. One can't be too safe, ya know. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up? Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationofnet-neutrality
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's rolein regulationof net-neutrality
When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Jack, The only companies that can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it are the ones given a monopoly and power by guess who - big government! So, where is the problem? Is it the companies or the government? On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) “Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik’s Cube?…Any Internet company that offers a voice application?” … “With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn’t voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?” Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
1. And God said Go and multiply. 2. Did I miss something? Nobody has said that where I can see. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Just keep saying to yourself. 1. Overpopulation is good. 2 Political corruption does not exist. Good luck and best wishes. ;-) jack RickG wrote: Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing them? Marks comments were spot on and I couldnt have said them any better, so I'm resending them with my name on the end. I respect your right to your viewpoint but I hope you have data to support the claims. I know the the data is there for the more conservative claims. So, just in case you hit delete: Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC.These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -RickG On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Sorry Mark, I truly appreciate and enjoy responding to all appropriate and responsible posts but your LONG HISTORY of troll behavior will FOREVER elicit the same response from me. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. MDK wrote: Jack, it remains very difficult to be civil, when you post this kind of stuff. Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC.These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation ofnet-neutrality Brad, There is really only one way to get a smaller government without throwing society into
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality
I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Grainbelt from Minnesota, marked STRONG on the top. Commonly referred to in the Midwest as liquid cornflakes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show H... Mikes beer or Josh's beer... Depends on the beer, Mike. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury.
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25 bucks an hour? Man, I need to rethink things. I don't think I'm charging enough. Fred Garvin- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Columbus Ohio, yes. 25$ an hour, heck I got one for three for only $99 to your door. Course I imagine that is only to the door. -- Original Message -- From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:39:09 -0500 I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... ___ __ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday,
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Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. Thanks for taking the lead on this! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
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Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee
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I think that's one thing most of us could agree on seeing as how wisp operators should enjoy heights. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Zip lines sound fun! On 2/5/10, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent:
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: make campaigns post their contributions on the internet. That's already available if the donation is over $99. Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's rolein regulationof net-neutrality
I couldnt say it any better Scottie! My Grandparenets were part of the greatest generation. We need that back. The political side of it is that our government is not promoting such behavior but rather the opposite. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality
You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationof net-neutrality
Agreed. Who gives a crap if your house lost $30k in value? Pay your damn bills. Unemployment is what it is because people are too lazy or too proud of themselves to get a lesser job (or two). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationofnet-neutrality When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationof net-neutrality
Every time I go out to lunch and speak with the waitress, I very often hear that people just came in at 10am for beer and liquor complaining that can't get a job. So logically, at 10am you go out drinking and complaining instead of job hunting. Makes sense in a I'm fat, dumb, lazy and getting paid by unemployment kind of way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Agreed. Who gives a crap if your house lost $30k in value? Pay your damn bills. Unemployment is what it is because people are too lazy or too proud of themselves to get a lesser job (or two). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationofnet-neutrality When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:34 AM, RickG wrote: Jack, The only companies that can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it are the ones given a monopoly and power by guess who - big government! So, where is the problem? Is it the companies or the government? That statement completely ignores history. The tendency of any unconstrained capitalist is to form a monopoly. Hell, *I'd* do it if I could ;-). And unconstrained capitalism that achieves a monopoly rarely acts in its customers own best interests. If nothing else, it's in our society's interest to prevent monopolies because innovation stagnates in a monoploy situation. Some restraint by government is necessary to keep the system from damaging itself. Part of your argument is specious since by definition once government restrains most monopolies, the only ones left are the ones it allows (but there's no real content in that statement). There are very few created monopolies (mail still and phones from a long time ago being two of them). Chuck On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) “Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik’s Cube?…Any Internet company that offers a voice application?” … “With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn’t voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?” Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality
The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure How is that a bad thing? Financial Stability 101, go buy a home. Every family should have a home. I'm not critisizing people who have decided renting is better for them, there can be many reasons for that. But if owning a home is not something possible for the average American, and low income person, its a sad situation. Let's face it - Loans were written to people that made minimum wage - much like the first Credit card I was given with a 20K limit as a freshman in college without a job. What planet do you live on? As the minimum wage HomeOwner drives away from their foreclosed home in their BMW I can tell in my 20 years of homebuying, Minimum Wage buyers was never an option. Sure FHA or HOC type programs might have enabled getting into a home with less money down, or subsidized homeownership for needy single parents and such. But those aren't the loans getting foreclosed on. The government made those home afffordable, even in down economies. But the minimum wage claim is rediculous. Heck, I cant even qualify for a Home Refinance, and I'm bringing home the 6 digits. The homes getting foreclosed on are the big dollar home that were more expensive than the buyer can afford with an average paying job. Getting into those homes were not minimum wage application processes. They were the show me the 2 years a Tax Returns with 6 figured. Homes that are getting foreclosed on are the Elderly. Homes that are 50-80% paid off. Where the homeowner can no longer access teh equity, because they are looked at a credit risk, because of their age or no longer holds full time job living on retirement income. Where a spouse has died, or where they were living on retirement income. Where their County property Tax skyrocketed, as neighbor's appraisals skyrocketed in the reaslestate boom, to an amount where the Tax payment was more than their original mortgage payment used to be. The problem was never low income buyers. The problem was the real Estate book reached a record high that had no alternative but to crash. Supply and Demand became so power full that homes reached price tags that only millionaires could afford, and loans were sneaked through anyway. But the new mortgage loan rules are rediculously conservative. It was the unscrupulous lenders that caused the crash, and now honorable prospective American home buyers have to pay the penalty. I can give you an example of one person, that had 75k in the bank, Had 50% equity in their home, a Fixed income from a government pension, Never missed a payment in 20 years, even had a credit score in the 700s, and was denied refinance because they couldn't prove a high enough steady income the year before. They want to see a salaried job. They want to see historical Tax returns. If someone is self employed, and does smart accounting to reduce their income and tax liabilty, it will likely mean they will no longer qualify for home ownership. In the case above the person was a land developer, and didn't sell a home the prior year because it made sense to hold on to the land until the market picks up to get a larger return. The fact is the Government should continue making it easier to obtain homes. They just need to tighten up on fraud. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Having pastored in the nations poorest city I would far from disagree with you. Folks that should have never been able to have a home were given the ability to obtain loans - That is an understatement. The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure They have made it all to easy for folks to own a home -never even bothering to figure out if its a worthy cause. Let's face it - Loans were written to people that made minimum wage - much like the first Credit card I was given with a 20K limit as a freshman in college without a job. Perhaps we should take a step back and simply ask - Instead of Frannie and Freddy - perhaps The Government does not belong in the home ownership game. If you look at the price of the average home since 1890 until today - you will find that it appears at first to be a great investment. However - if you adjust that thinking with the rate of inflation - you would realize that for many - it is far from the American Dream... The Saga of Home ownership and real estate is really one of a relatively flat history - except for the past few years where folks were able to flip before the drop... (2006-2007) Many people utilize their home as the ultimate credit card... They get locked into this pattern of either mortgaging to pay for
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ]On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality
On issue here is Carters dream in the 70's that every American should have a house or right to have a house of their own. This was for much laying dormant but Bush era brought this back. To own a house is not a right. It's a privilege, not everyone should or are suitable to own a house the idea a house for every American is seriously flawed. This was what started the housing boom in the 70's out in California that quickly spread across the nation. Creating over time hyper inflated prices but was a slow progress but was once again flared up during Bush era and the push was one once again raising house prices even yet higher and in a push for this idiotic loans was designed to make this happen. Balloon loans that was design to get you in a house, sell that house after 10 years to get you into a bigger house since you now was supposed to have a better job, bigger family and your current house would be worth lot more. There are two fundamental flaws with this thinking. 1) the new house you buy will obviously be much more expensive as well and this Balloon loan was design to pay minimal principal on your current home until 10 years ahead. 2) it assumes your salary does not only keep up with inflation but advancing a head of it not taking into consideration of cyclic economic down turns, layoffs and failures. Loans created with a rose tinted glasses on never looking at worse case scenarios or even any bad scenarios. Then you have the other kind of loans like Lending Tree and Quickbooks started offer among others. Lower your monthly payment plans, in the fine print you discover that your only paying interest and NO principal. That sure helps people get out of debt. Even worse yet was some loans that Countrywide extended where the payment people made on their loans didn't even cover the full interest so the loan only grow. Bank of America ended up paying a steep fine over these loans (BoA bought Countrywide in 08). The current and past credit rating system in general is at fault at large. To get credit you have to have credit and the more credit you have the more credit you can get. Of course this is slightly better than it once was when a collage kid could get $10k credit card credit with no steady income. What makes sense to me on a credit system is. You have a steady income, no credit then your credit is good. The more you earn and the less credit you have the better your credit rating is. Once you start getting open credit your rating goes down. Ohh well. Just me being sensible I guess ;) Dang it. Stop talking politics guys back to wireless now lol / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality
Yup...opensecrets.org Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: make campaigns post their contributions on the internet. That's already available if the donation is over $99. Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: That statement completely ignores history. The tendency of any unconstrained capitalist is to form a monopoly. Hell, *I'd* do it if I could ;-). And unconstrained capitalism that achieves a monopoly rarely acts in its customers own best interests. If nothing else, it's in our society's interest to prevent monopolies because innovation stagnates in a monoploy situation. It should be every capitalist desire to become a monopolist. The government's role should be to encourage businesses to innovate and grow towards being a monopoly while hoping the market has sufficient competition to stop that ultimate result. If not, then step in to prevent the monopoly from abusing its position. The government must only set the rules of the game and ensure market fairness through their rules. The government shouldn't participate in the market either with its own entity or by picking winners and losers through its actions. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. This is the same guy pouring out stimulus money from the same entity that is $13 trillion dollars in debt? Sounds like Do as I say not as I do. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
I can barely see down the street because of snow and in the next 24 hours we're on a storm alert. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's rolein regulationof net-neutrality
100% correct. Too much of the Me, needs to be more Us. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's rolein regulationof net-neutrality When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's rolein regulationof net-neutrality
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Funny you should say that. I did some reading when I was a kid from books written from 1910 to 1935. Admittedly, I was an odd kid to be fascinated by how people saw the world 40 to 60 years earlier (this was the mid-to-late 1970's). The statements you're making here were almost exactly what people were saying then about generations that preceded them. Also, I spent a great deal of time talking to my grandfather (and later some of his friends) about what life was like when he grew up (born in 1913) and his experiences in the great depression (he worked in the CCC camps and was a train-vagabound, traveling across the country). They spent a LOT of time unemployed and just causing trouble or getting into trouble. Heavy drinking was much more accepted then than now. There are some interesting things that HAVE changed a lot since then. People got into fist fights a heck of a lot more easily back then ;-). There was a much greater sense of belonging to a neighborhood then compared to now. I see that as a loss but probably unavoidable. Moral and ethical standards have shifted some, but if anything, they are higher now. For example, people thought nothing of calling blacks the n-word and segregating them from whites. The definition of what is white itself has greatly expanded. This has changed even since I was a kid. I remember when in the 1960's we were moving from an all-catholic, white neighborhood, that we got obscene phone calls and rocks through our windows when a black family made an offer on our house (which we intended to accept until a neighbor topped their offer by 10%) to keep the house 'white'). If you don't see this as a dramatic, and important, shift in morals/ethics then I don't know what is. I see this as strongly positive. The level of volunteerism amongst men seems to be a lot higher now than it was then. Women being in the working world has decreased their participation, but I would count that as a higher level of ethics among men (because it represents a greater level of consciousness, not just a greater amount of time) and neutral among women. I see this as strongly positive. Men 50 and 60 years ago thought nothing about bingeing with the guys Friday nights (or every night). Abuse of drugs (including alcohol) has waxed and wained over time but is certainly lower now than it was 40 years ago, for example. Though I'm sure that still happens, it's really not considered normal any more. I see this as a strong change in morals/ethics. I'd honestly hate to see a world that reverted to the morals and ethics of 50 to 60 years ago. Maybe people worked harder (but I doubt it-EVERYONE I know words hard now, even with all the other things that compete for our attention) but as a society, discrimination was rampant, there wasn't nearly so many opportunities for upward mobility, men and women weren't treated nearly as equally, etc. We're not in such a bad place now. Chuck Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationof net-neutrality
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every time I go out to lunch and speak with the waitress, I very often hear that people just came in at 10am for beer and liquor complaining that can't get a job. So logically, at 10am you go out drinking and complaining instead of job hunting. Makes sense in a I'm fat, dumb, lazy and getting paid by unemployment kind of way. However, that hasn't changed throughout history. It definitely is NOT a new feature in our society. Chuck Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Agreed. Who gives a crap if your house lost $30k in value? Pay your damn bills. Unemployment is what it is because people are too lazy or too proud of themselves to get a lesser job (or two). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationofnet-neutrality When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Yep, I agree with your statement (which was well put). Chuck On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: That statement completely ignores history. The tendency of any unconstrained capitalist is to form a monopoly. Hell, *I'd* do it if I could ;-). And unconstrained capitalism that achieves a monopoly rarely acts in its customers own best interests. If nothing else, it's in our society's interest to prevent monopolies because innovation stagnates in a monoploy situation. It should be every capitalist desire to become a monopolist. The government's role should be to encourage businesses to innovate and grow towards being a monopoly while hoping the market has sufficient competition to stop that ultimate result. If not, then step in to prevent the monopoly from abusing its position. The government must only set the rules of the game and ensure market fairness through their rules. The government shouldn't participate in the market either with its own entity or by picking winners and losers through its actions. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Hahahahaha! Marked STRONG on the top.. I love it! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Grainbelt from Minnesota, marked STRONG on the top. Commonly referred to in the Midwest as liquid cornflakes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show H... Mikes beer or Josh's beer... Depends on the beer, Mike. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton,
[WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 inline: image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
Don't see why not. I've seen them do more then 25mb/s easy. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, motor...@afmug.com motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srole in regulation of net-neutrality
One thing that many people will not admit to is the true total cost of owning a home vs. renting. While anyone can say, hey for the price you are paying for rent you could have a mortgage, that is only part of the cost of home ownership. There are the taxes, maintenance and repairs, insurance and other costs that a renter is not responsible for. Many people who bought homes comparing only the rent vs. mortgage payment were already at the limits of their income. When any additional costs came up such as increases in taxes and insurance, they were not able to keep up. Add any of the foolish practices such as the balloon payments and you have a recipe for disaster. This type of American is the same person that will trade their car in at a loss when it needs new tires and brakes. They do this because they don't have the money to pay for the repair but if a dealer can just roll them in to the next monthly payment on another car without too much of an increase they do it. That's been one of the biggest problems in the auto industry, it caught up to them. Fact is Americans do not save any money, they spend every last dollar they get every week and then some by living off credit cards and home equity loans and they did this before all of this crisis. Times will get tough for another 15-20 years until we pay down that debt. In a country where we don't produce anything, all we are doing is circulating money we never really generated from any raw materials and products. It's finally caught up with us and we have to rectify that imbalance. It's going to be a painful lesson. The good thing is though it should create another greatest generation of people who lived through it and vowed not to let it happen again. They will teach at least one and maybe two generations that lesson. Then it will fade in to the past as just a statement in history books where nobody really remembers how bad it was and the cycle will start all over again. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srole inregulationofnet-neutrality On issue here is Carters dream in the 70's that every American should have a house or right to have a house of their own. This was for much laying dormant but Bush era brought this back. To own a house is not a right. It's a privilege, not everyone should or are suitable to own a house the idea a house for every American is seriously flawed. This was what started the housing boom in the 70's out in California that quickly spread across the nation. Creating over time hyper inflated prices but was a slow progress but was once again flared up during Bush era and the push was one once again raising house prices even yet higher and in a push for this idiotic loans was designed to make this happen. Balloon loans that was design to get you in a house, sell that house after 10 years to get you into a bigger house since you now was supposed to have a better job, bigger family and your current house would be worth lot more. There are two fundamental flaws with this thinking. 1) the new house you buy will obviously be much more expensive as well and this Balloon loan was design to pay minimal principal on your current home until 10 years ahead. 2) it assumes your salary does not only keep up with inflation but advancing a head of it not taking into consideration of cyclic economic down turns, layoffs and failures. Loans created with a rose tinted glasses on never looking at worse case scenarios or even any bad scenarios. Then you have the other kind of loans like Lending Tree and Quickbooks started offer among others. Lower your monthly payment plans, in the fine print you discover that your only paying interest and NO principal. That sure helps people get out of debt. Even worse yet was some loans that Countrywide extended where the payment people made on their loans didn't even cover the full interest so the loan only grow. Bank of America ended up paying a steep fine over these loans (BoA bought Countrywide in 08). The current and past credit rating system in general is at fault at large. To get credit you have to have credit and the more credit you have the more credit you can get. Of course this is slightly better than it once was when a collage kid could get $10k credit card credit with no steady income. What makes sense to me on a credit system is. You have a steady income, no credit then your credit is good. The more you earn and the less credit you have the better your credit rating is. Once you start getting open credit your rating goes down. Ohh well. Just me being sensible I guess ;) Dang it. Stop talking politics guys back to wireless now lol / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Re: [WISPA] [ Possible Spam ] Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Especially today into tomorrow and Sunday into Monday ;-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching
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Ah Actually minimum wage earners and even the unemployed could purchase a home if they had the right person doing the paperwork. We have a customer who was a mortgage broker. He explained it all to me one day. If the broker had a few banks that would buy the paper, pretty much sight unseen, they could put down anything they wanted and resell the mortgage within minutes. They would charge higher interest rates based on the lack of certain documents, such an proof of employment! If unemployed, they could fill out as self employed and charge a higher rate. The type of thing that Countrywide was doing. They were paid on commission and for reselling the loan, they had no concern for the long term effects on the borrower. And of course. It fell apart. Was just a ponzi scheme. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure How is that a bad thing? Financial Stability 101, go buy a home. Every family should have a home. I'm not critisizing people who have decided renting is better for them, there can be many reasons for that. But if owning a home is not something possible for the average American, and low income person, its a sad situation. Let's face it - Loans were written to people that made minimum wage - much like the first Credit card I was given with a 20K limit as a freshman in college without a job. What planet do you live on? As the minimum wage HomeOwner drives away from their foreclosed home in their BMW I can tell in my 20 years of homebuying, Minimum Wage buyers was never an option. Sure FHA or HOC type programs might have enabled getting into a home with less money down, or subsidized homeownership for needy single parents and such. But those aren't the loans getting foreclosed on. The government made those home afffordable, even in down economies. But the minimum wage claim is rediculous. Heck, I cant even qualify for a Home Refinance, and I'm bringing home the 6 digits. The homes getting foreclosed on are the big dollar home that were more expensive than the buyer can afford with an average paying job. Getting into those homes were not minimum wage application processes. They were the show me the 2 years a Tax Returns with 6 figured. Homes that are getting foreclosed on are the Elderly. Homes that are 50-80% paid off. Where the homeowner can no longer access teh equity, because they are looked at a credit risk, because of their age or no longer holds full time job living on retirement income. Where a spouse has died, or where they were living on retirement income. Where their County property Tax skyrocketed, as neighbor's appraisals skyrocketed in the reaslestate boom, to an amount where the Tax payment was more than their original mortgage payment used to be. The problem was never low income buyers. The problem was the real Estate book reached a record high that had no alternative but to crash. Supply and Demand became so power full that homes reached price tags that only millionaires could afford, and loans were sneaked through anyway. But the new mortgage loan rules are rediculously conservative. It was the unscrupulous lenders that caused the crash, and now honorable prospective American home buyers have to pay the penalty. I can give you an example of one person, that had 75k in the bank, Had 50% equity in their home, a Fixed income from a government pension, Never missed a payment in 20 years, even had a credit score in the 700s, and was denied refinance because they couldn't prove a high enough steady income the year before. They want to see a salaried job. They want to see historical Tax returns. If someone is self employed, and does smart accounting to reduce their income and tax liabilty, it will likely mean they will no longer qualify for home ownership. In the case above the person was a land developer, and didn't sell a home the prior year because it made sense to hold on to the land until the market picks up to get a larger return. The fact is the Government should continue making it easier to obtain homes. They just need to tighten up on fraud. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Having pastored in the nations poorest city I would far from disagree with you. Folks that should have never been able to have a home were given the ability to obtain loans - That is an understatement. The government has done
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Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are
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But it's the statement, not the man I agree with. Anyone could have said it and the logic still holds true. Besides, they took issue with the Vegas mention the irony of it all. I thought stimulus money was for the 25 buck prostitutes in Vegas. I may be wrong. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. This is the same guy pouring out stimulus money from the same entity that is $13 trillion dollars in debt? Sounds like Do as I say not as I do. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. -
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_ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure How is that a bad thing? Financial Stability 101, go buy a home. Every family should have a home. I'm not critisizing people who have decided renting is better for them, there can be many reasons for that. But if owning a home is not something possible for the average American, and low income person, its a sad situation. Let's face it - Loans were written to people that made minimum wage - much like the first Credit card I was given with a 20K limit as a freshman in college without a job. What planet do you live on? As the minimum wage HomeOwner drives away from their foreclosed home in their BMW I can tell in my 20 years of homebuying, Minimum Wage buyers was never an option. Sure FHA or HOC type programs might have enabled getting into a home with less money down, or subsidized homeownership for needy single parents and such. But those aren't the loans getting foreclosed on. The government made those home afffordable, even in down economies. But the minimum wage claim is rediculous. Heck, I cant even qualify for a Home Refinance, and I'm bringing home the 6 digits. The homes getting foreclosed on are the big dollar home that were more expensive than the buyer can afford with an average paying job. Getting into those homes were not minimum wage application processes. They were the show me the 2 years a Tax Returns with 6 figured. You however make way to much to ever even be considered by the Fair Housing and Community Housing folks. They guarantee you a government loan - with payments as low as $150 /mo at a maximum of 5.4% interest. Take a peek @ how far that got the City of Detroit ... Take a peek @ how far that got the City of Camden NJ ... Take a peek @ how far that got the City of Newark Homes that are getting foreclosed on are the Elderly. Homes that are 50-80% paid off. Where the homeowner can no longer access teh equity, because they are looked at a credit risk, because of their age or no longer holds full time job living on retirement income. Where a spouse has died, or where they were living on retirement income. Where their County property Tax skyrocketed, as neighbor's appraisals skyrocketed in the reaslestate boom, to an amount where the Tax payment was more than their original mortgage payment used to be. I argue against minimum wage for this exact reason - lets face it. If we have to pay people more - we raise the rates on what we sell and service. However - the little old lady next door on her retirement income / social security ... fixed income - basically means -- no raise for them The problem was never low income buyers. The problem was the real Estate book reached a record high that had no alternative but to crash. Supply and Demand became so power full that homes reached price tags that only millionaires could afford, and loans were sneaked through anyway. But the new mortgage loan rules are rediculously conservative. It was the unscrupulous lenders that caused the crash, and now honorable prospective American home buyers have to pay the penalty. I can give you an example of one person, that had 75k in the bank, Had 50% equity in their home, a Fixed income from a government pension, Never missed a payment in 20 years, even had a credit score in the 700s, and was denied refinance because they couldn't prove a high enough steady income the year before. They want to see a salaried job. They want to see historical Tax returns. If someone is self employed, and does smart accounting to reduce their income and tax liabilty, it will likely mean they will no longer qualify for home ownership. In the case above the person was a land developer, and didn't sell a home the prior year because it made sense to hold on to the land until the market picks up to get a larger return. I can share tons of examples of folks who made next to nothing - but learned to play the game under the fair housing program. The biggest scam going right now is - folks are buying a cheap house - getting the $8K - then flipping it to their wife - getting an additional 8K then flipping it to their 18 yr old son - they get another $8K to their daughter - yet another $8K and then - the ability for them to grab a $24K check to give to a bank for the actual down payment on a different mtg hits All on the backs of - yes you guessed it. - I just had my agent in Ohio ask me about doing this - and wanting to know If I wanted to back date the purchase for my wife to last year ! Its fraud - wrong - and I said no... But
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals
Agreed. I get 3 or 4 a week. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 19:27 -0600, Jeremie Chism wrote: I've used a company called 4ipnet.com. Reasonable prices and they have most features. Including being a spammer. I've now had to filter their emails, since they will NOT stop sending me their crap. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake? Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all points. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Josh - just use the van - if its here - its cold enough _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Jeff Broadwick wrote: 1. Define overpopulation? I saw some numbers once that the entire world's population could have a nice size house on a decent piece of property in Texas...can't imagine the infrastructure requirements, but whatever. What was your number-cruncher smoking? 2. Political corruption is a reality in any system. Well, were certainly seeing what political corruption has done to OUR system. Rather than just accept it, I'd rather try to eliminate it through public funding of all political campaigns. It's the best argument for term limits. Personally, I'd like to see the personal limits on contributions removed and make campaigns post their contributions on the internet. 6-7 rich guys financed McGovern's campaign before all the post-Watergate regulations. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Just keep saying to yourself. 1. Overpopulation is good. 2 Political corruption does not exist. Good luck and best wishes. ;-) jack RickG wrote: Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing them? Marks comments were spot on and I couldnt have said them any better, so I'm resending them with my name on the end. I respect your right to your viewpoint but I hope you have data to support the claims. I know the the data is there for the more conservative claims. So, just in case you hit delete: Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC.These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -RickG On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Sorry Mark, I truly appreciate and enjoy responding to all appropriate and responsible posts but your LONG HISTORY of troll behavior will FOREVER elicit the same response from me. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. MDK wrote: Jack, it remains very difficult to be civil, when you post this kind of stuff. Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is
Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 19:27 -0600, Jeremie Chism wrote: I've used a company called 4ipnet.com. Reasonable prices and they have most features. Including being a spammer. I've now had to filter their emails, since they will NOT stop sending me their crap. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the what about mine? thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that give up and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the big guys. Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out of their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small business with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ people weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you, Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't know.just coast along I guess? Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Brad, You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try it again. When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to have more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain order is expected of government, be it large or small government. A two-person police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny community and a 10,000 person police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a large city. A two-person (small government) police force will not be able to maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. Socialism (however that is defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic dynamic. America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the limited government framework that the founding fathers provided. Unfortunately today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to govern
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
I think the REAL center is somewhere in Kansas. Having said that, I like Denver and would definitely go there for a show. There are plenty of other things to do there too for family members or thrill seekers alike. Yep, cabin fever is beginning to set in here in Central Iowa. I have been attempting to quantify snow attenuation on microwave signals. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake? Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all points. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project:
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
It will depend on how many packets per second it was passing. The bullets can do a lot of throughput but start having issues with more than 7-8k pps. Jerry Richardson wrote: Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
And that figures because the weather was nice all week but N!!! I got stuck on service calls and finally have the time to install a backhaul today... Sucks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:32 AM To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I can barely see down the street because of snow and in the next 24 hours we're on a storm alert. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Oh I agree wholeheartedly with the belief election reform is needed. A taxpayer funded system with a set, and sensible budget would keep the well funded from swaying the electorate and becoming beholding to special interests. Term limits for all congressional seats should be set at 6 years. What is the dollar check off for on our Federal Tax return? Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jeff Broadwick wrote: 1. Define overpopulation? I saw some numbers once that the entire world's population could have a nice size house on a decent piece of property in Texas...can't imagine the infrastructure requirements, but whatever. What was your number-cruncher smoking? 2. Political corruption is a reality in any system. Well, were certainly seeing what political corruption has done to OUR system. Rather than just accept it, I'd rather try to eliminate it through public funding of all political campaigns. It's the best argument for term limits. Personally, I'd like to see the personal limits on contributions removed and make campaigns post their contributions on the internet. 6-7 rich guys financed McGovern's campaign before all the post-Watergate regulations. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Just keep saying to yourself. 1. Overpopulation is good. 2 Political corruption does not exist. Good luck and best wishes. ;-) jack RickG wrote: Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing them? Marks comments were spot on and I couldnt have said them any better, so I'm resending them with my name on the end. I respect your right to your viewpoint but I hope you have data to support the claims. I know the the data is there for the more conservative claims. So, just in case you hit delete: Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly do without this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country.Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us.Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC.These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -RickG On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Sorry Mark, I truly appreciate and enjoy responding to all appropriate and responsible posts but your LONG HISTORY of troll behavior will FOREVER elicit the same response from me. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. MDK wrote: Jack, it remains very difficult to be civil, when you post this kind of stuff. Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationof net-neutrality
Unemployment stats are also misleading. For example, Many people had high dollar jobs when they qualified for their homes, then lot them. They then tppk jobs at half the salary because that is what they could find. UNemployment stats dont show that people are Employed but working in job at half their normal salary. The people are now caught up in mortgages that are more than they can afford, because their economic position changed. Then there was no way out of the situation. What do you do when the market is down and no one will buy your home that you can NO LONGER afford, but once could? I just dont believe that the reason for home market crashing isbecause the government was bad amd the Homeowners were not worthy enough financially to be homeowners at the time they bought their homes. It is extremely short sighted to think otherwise. The problem primarilly lied with Middle Class borrowers, NOT low income borrowers. Again, the results wont adequately show that because the MiIddle Class got a bailout from the Government, and the Super Rich got a Bailout from the government, but little ol low income was left on their own to fight off the wolves. One of the Largest tragedies of the ARRA efforts is that the people that need the help the most have been ignored. Its ironic when the government programs are helping people get rock bottom rates that can already can afford to pay their mortgages and had reasonable rates, but yet people that are struggling, and potentially could continue paying their mortgage if they had the opportunity to reduced their loan shark rates down to reasonable lower interest rate, dont get the opportuity. Its a crock. The Government isn't doing enough. They are failing Homeowners, in similar ways that they are failing to assist small ISPs. They label them financially unworthy to give help to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they were taken advantage of by their lendor. Even with Bankruptcy, there are some interesing stats, for example, almost all people
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
I'm down with Denver, since it's about an hour away. But really, Vegas is usually the cheapest to fly into, and cheap to stay at; with plenty to do with a short walk from your hotel. I've been in every casino in Vegas and never taken a cab or had to drive. Denver... ehh, not so much. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake? Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all points. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined Winner and Loser of war there will never be peace. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the what about mine? thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that give up and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the big guys. Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out of their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small business with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ people weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you, Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't know.just coast along I guess? Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Brad, You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try it again. When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to have more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain order is expected of government, be it large or small government. A two-person police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny community and a 10,000 person
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
Thanks, It's not an M - Ubiquity's firware site makes 3.5 the highest available version. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
I see you're down on 35 so you're feeling the same weather we are. I have 3 customers that went down all in the same area around a 900 AP. Spoke with one of them and at least that one has power (and a generator!) I'm guessing the snow weighed down the antennas enough. The AP definitely isn't seeing any interference - it's a super low noise floor of -86. Changed channels around the band. Wonder if those yagi radome's from WB would prevent this. Or those hideous parabolic grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: And that figures because the weather was nice all week but N!!! I got stuck on service calls and finally have the time to install a backhaul today... Sucks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:32 AM To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I can barely see down the street because of snow and in the next 24 hours we're on a storm alert. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationof net-neutrality
The Government isn't doing enough. They are failing Homeowners, in similar ways that they are failing to assist small ISPs. They label them financially unworthy to give help to. This statement/sentiment in a nutshell is the problem. Those that are looking to big government to hold their hand and make everything ok because they feel they can't do anything for themselves. The government is doing precisely the opposite and involving itself into issues that it has no business being in. This is why we're in the situation we're in today...after decades of growing government we are now at the breaking point. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationof net-neutrality Unemployment stats are also misleading. For example, Many people had high dollar jobs when they qualified for their homes, then lot them. They then tppk jobs at half the salary because that is what they could find. UNemployment stats dont show that people are Employed but working in job at half their normal salary. The people are now caught up in mortgages that are more than they can afford, because their economic position changed. Then there was no way out of the situation. What do you do when the market is down and no one will buy your home that you can NO LONGER afford, but once could? I just dont believe that the reason for home market crashing isbecause the government was bad amd the Homeowners were not worthy enough financially to be homeowners at the time they bought their homes. It is extremely short sighted to think otherwise. The problem primarilly lied with Middle Class borrowers, NOT low income borrowers. Again, the results wont adequately show that because the MiIddle Class got a bailout from the Government, and the Super Rich got a Bailout from the government, but little ol low income was left on their own to fight off the wolves. One of the Largest tragedies of the ARRA efforts is that the people that need the help the most have been ignored. Its ironic when the government programs are helping people get rock bottom rates that can already can afford to pay their mortgages and had reasonable rates, but yet people that are struggling, and potentially could continue paying their mortgage if they had the opportunity to reduced their loan shark rates down to reasonable lower interest rate, dont get the opportuity. Its a crock. The Government isn't doing enough. They are failing Homeowners, in similar ways that they are failing to assist small ISPs. They label them financially unworthy to give help to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
3.5 is for legacy products 5.1 is the latest for N products On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Thanks, It's not an M - Ubiquity's firware site makes 3.5 the highest available version. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
that's what I though thanks on my way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet 3.5 is for legacy products 5.1 is the latest for N products On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Thanks, It's not an M - Ubiquity's firware site makes 3.5 the highest available version. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationof net-neutrality
The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. Exactly. Thats a failure of this generation's American people and their values, not a failure of the Government. And its not just a failure of the borrower. For example, Its also a failure of revolving credit vendors, that change the deal mid-stream, after the money is borrowed. And what about those buyers that got construction loans at high Interest, that mutually agreed with their lenders that they'd adjust to a permanent low interest mortgage after contruction was complete? And then prior to the conversion, the Feds changed the mortgage lending qualifing rules? And the buyer was no longer able to qualify to convert their contruction loan to a regular low interest loan. And absolutely nothing changed about the home owner/building themself. But my point here is that things dont only occur because people are irresponsible. Sometimes unforseen situation occur and condidtions change. I think its unreasonable to assume that people will always be able to predict the future. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srolein regulationof net-neutrality When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
What was the issue with the Trango? Our 5010s and Link-45s have been solid, with the exception of the latest set I put out. Bad seal or something, was cooking the ethernet connector. -Paul Jerry Richardson wrote: that's what I though thanks on my way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet 3.5 is for legacy products 5.1 is the latest for N products On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Thanks, It's not an M - Ubiquity's firware site makes 3.5 the highest available version. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
First unit failure stopped transmitting Replacement unit failure is probably installer error (me). -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet What was the issue with the Trango? Our 5010s and Link-45s have been solid, with the exception of the latest set I put out. Bad seal or something, was cooking the ethernet connector. -Paul Jerry Richardson wrote: that's what I though thanks on my way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet 3.5 is for legacy products 5.1 is the latest for N products On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Thanks, It's not an M - Ubiquity's firware site makes 3.5 the highest available version. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation ofnet-neutrality
Matt, Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation ofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: That statement completely ignores history. The tendency of any unconstrained capitalist is to form a monopoly. Hell, *I'd* do it if I could ;-). And unconstrained capitalism that achieves a monopoly rarely acts in its customers own best interests. If nothing else, it's in our society's interest to prevent monopolies because innovation stagnates in a monoploy situation. It should be every capitalist desire to become a monopolist. The government's role should be to encourage businesses to innovate and grow towards being a monopoly while hoping the market has sufficient competition to stop that ultimate result. If not, then step in to prevent the monopoly from abusing its position. The government must only set the rules of the game and ensure market fairness through their rules. The government shouldn't participate in the market either with its own entity or by picking winners and losers through its actions. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality
Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
Well, admittedly Tlinks dont have a very high PPS either. Do I think Bullet will work out? Sure... For a little while. But can you trust it to stay that way? Probably not. I wouldn't. Not with that super low price Trango Promo until Feb 15th. Tlink gets you... Interference scanner, Layer2 speed packet loss test, a rocksolid core that will hold up over time in heat and cold. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet It will depend on how many packets per second it was passing. The bullets can do a lot of throughput but start having issues with more than 7-8k pps. Jerry Richardson wrote: Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srole inregulationof net-neutrality
Brad, Although I understand your valid point that you are pointing out I disagree. You are assuming incorrectly that homeowners and small WISPs are looking to the Government to hold their hand to solve their problems. for example, I've done it on my own, and rose to the occation, I pay my bills even though I'm getting ripped off, and I honor my agreements. Becaue I've been left to fend for myself, I have become stronger for it. But what I was previously saying is that there is a double standard and not fair equal treatment to all, by the government, or from lenders. Why should a middle class or more wealthy individual get help, but not someone in a more vulnerable position that could use the help? Expecially when that help could translate to public good. Sometimes when people get help they apply that help to enabling them to be a better contributor to the world. Asking for help does not mean they have to just be a permanent sponge. As a young adult, I was to proud to ask for help, I had something to prove and had to do everything on my own. I was successful, but it was hard and I did not reach my potential. But as an experienced adult, I've learned there is nothing wrong with accepting help. Most people that are successfull didn't do it on their own, they got help from somebody in some way. Its the reality of this world. Those that ask for help and take it do better than those that do it on their own. There are very few real rags to riches stories where someone truly did it on their own, their own way. Government should be a resource for people to get help. I never said anyone should rely on the government's help. But if Bread is being passed out on th food line, I am equally worthy to put a peice on my plate. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'srole inregulationof net-neutrality The Government isn't doing enough. They are failing Homeowners, in similar ways that they are failing to assist small ISPs. They label them financially unworthy to give help to. This statement/sentiment in a nutshell is the problem. Those that are looking to big government to hold their hand and make everything ok because they feel they can't do anything for themselves. The government is doing precisely the opposite and involving itself into issues that it has no business being in. This is why we're in the situation we're in today...after decades of growing government we are now at the breaking point. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationof net-neutrality Unemployment stats are also misleading. For example, Many people had high dollar jobs when they qualified for their homes, then lot them. They then tppk jobs at half the salary because that is what they could find. UNemployment stats dont show that people are Employed but working in job at half their normal salary. The people are now caught up in mortgages that are more than they can afford, because their economic position changed. Then there was no way out of the situation. What do you do when the market is down and no one will buy your home that you can NO LONGER afford, but once could? I just dont believe that the reason for home market crashing isbecause the government was bad amd the Homeowners were not worthy enough financially to be homeowners at the time they bought their homes. It is extremely short sighted to think otherwise. The problem primarilly lied with Middle Class borrowers, NOT low income borrowers. Again, the results wont adequately show that because the MiIddle Class got a bailout from the Government, and the Super Rich got a Bailout from the government, but little ol low income was left on their own to fight off the wolves. One of the Largest tragedies of the ARRA efforts is that the people that need the help the most have been ignored. Its ironic when the government programs are helping people get rock bottom rates that can already can afford to pay their mortgages and had reasonable rates, but yet people that are struggling, and potentially could continue paying their mortgage if they had the opportunity to reduced their loan shark rates down to reasonable lower interest rate, dont get the opportuity. Its a crock. The Government isn't doing enough. They are failing Homeowners, in similar ways that they are failing to assist small ISPs. They label them financially unworthy to give help to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality
What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter for everybody. But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary "peace". This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real peace impossible. jack Brad Belton wrote: I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined "Winner" and "Loser" of war there will never be peace. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?" thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out of their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small business with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ people weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you, Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't know.just coast along I guess? Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM To:
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality
I've seen plenty of research Matt. You ask for proof from me and you've provided none yourself. If you want to provide the basis for your statements and have an argument, let's have it. We'll probably have to do it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth
Have you looked at the network maps I posted just a few days ago to see if anyone has a network presence near you? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ray Jean webbil...@surfmore.net Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:59 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Marco We are looking for 50 meg pipe in Pulaski Tn.16724 west college st. Ray - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Can you give an exact address and quantity of bandwidth you're looking for? Marco On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Ray Jean webbil...@surfmore.net wrote: Anyone know of a cheap provider of bandwidth in southern middle Tennessee? Thanks Ray Jean WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess people. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter for everybody. But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary peace. This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real peace impossible. jack Brad Belton wrote: I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined Winner and Loser of war there will never be peace. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the what about mine? thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that give up and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the big guys. Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out of their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small business with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ people weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality
I won't attempt to prove a negative. It was you who made the claim CRA caused the housing crisis. It is therefore incumbent on you to prove the claim. This is especially true since you have provided no basis for your claim. I have provided facts related to the CRA that have not been refuted by you or anyone else.. Now then, here is your chance. Back up your claims. Refute the facts I have provided. Provide at least a theory as to how the CRA caused the housing crisis. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I've seen plenty of research Matt. You ask for proof from me and you've provided none yourself. If you want to provide the basis for your statements and have an argument, let's have it. We'll probably have to do it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: TheFCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality
Here is a nice timeline for anyone that wants to read it. I'm done with this on-list: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/what_really_happened_in_the_mo.html Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: TheFCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality I won't attempt to prove a negative. It was you who made the claim CRA caused the housing crisis. It is therefore incumbent on you to prove the claim. This is especially true since you have provided no basis for your claim. I have provided facts related to the CRA that have not been refuted by you or anyone else.. Now then, here is your chance. Back up your claims. Refute the facts I have provided. Provide at least a theory as to how the CRA caused the housing crisis. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I've seen plenty of research Matt. You ask for proof from me and you've provided none yourself. If you want to provide the basis for your statements and have an argument, let's have it. We'll probably have to do it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act I think the paragraph Housing Advocacy groups and Predatory lending speaks pretty much for itself. CRA failed miserably in those areas because of the simple fact that after all CRA was all about to provide equal financing opportunities to low to mid-income and minority groups. So the pressure was on to provide financing to these groups and this back fired because the low in-come group had hard time paying the loans for a house they really couldn't afford. When you make less then 30k in the household can you really afford a 50k house and all expenses associated with said house? Figure just principal, 15 year loan you're looking at $277/mo. The Department of health and human services figure a 3 person household requires in the lower 48 $18k per year to scrap by. By my book that $277/mo + interest + insurance + maintenance is t much for this family to afford on a regular loan. In a 2002 study exploring the relationship between the CRA and lending looked at as predatory, Kathleen C. Engel and Patricia A. McCoy noted that banks could receive CRA credit by lending or brokering loans in lower-income areas that would be considered a risk for ordinary lending practices. Look where we are at today billions of dollar spent on TARP to save the banks that did these loans to low and middle income families. Fannie Mae and Freddie MAC brought back from the brink of complete meltdown by even more billions of dollars. A house is not a RIGHT it's a PRIVILEGE and not everyone can nor will be privileged enough to be able to afford a house. A house is not just a loan payment to have and up keep. It's also insurance and maintenance. Anyone owning a house knows that there is never an end to maintenance required once one thing is fixed another will appear some might not require immediate attention but some if immediate or soon attention is given will result in expensive fixes and repairs. The older house the more issues and a lot of the low to medium income families that is all they can afford the older houses in most areas. On top of this unfortunately a lot of the low income people are employees that are expendable in many companies so when things start to go hard they are often the first ones to get laid off. The high income guy is probably the person that makes the decisions and he relies on other high income people and mid level income people to make things happen. It's always the poor guy that get the shaft I'm afraid. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality I've seen plenty of research Matt. You ask for proof from me and you've provided none yourself. If you want to provide the basis for your statements and have an argument, let's have it. We'll probably have to do it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have excess people. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess people. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter for everybody. But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary peace. This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real peace impossible. jack Brad Belton wrote: I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined Winner and Loser of war there will never be peace. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the what about mine? thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that give up and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the big guys. Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out of their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small business with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. Unemployment
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Wow...looks like a good read for some time tonight. Just too busy right now. Thanks for the link! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: TheFCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality Here is a nice timeline for anyone that wants to read it. I'm done with this on-list: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/what_really_happened_in_the_mo.html Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: TheFCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality I won't attempt to prove a negative. It was you who made the claim CRA caused the housing crisis. It is therefore incumbent on you to prove the claim. This is especially true since you have provided no basis for your claim. I have provided facts related to the CRA that have not been refuted by you or anyone else.. Now then, here is your chance. Back up your claims. Refute the facts I have provided. Provide at least a theory as to how the CRA caused the housing crisis. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I've seen plenty of research Matt. You ask for proof from me and you've provided none yourself. If you want to provide the basis for your statements and have an argument, let's have it. We'll probably have to do it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Human nature? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have excess people. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess people. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter for everybody. But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary peace. This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real peace impossible. jack Brad Belton wrote: I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined Winner and Loser of war there will never be peace. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the what about mine? thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that give up and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the big guys. Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
My nature is to be peaceful, my friend. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: Human nature? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have excess people. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess people. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter for everybody. But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary "peace". This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real peace impossible. jack Brad Belton wrote: I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined "Winner" and "Loser" of war there will never be peace. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?" thinkers, it won't get any better. As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and the draft. Now hear me out on this Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food on the table and pay for the folly of it all. If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every month down useless well. Just my crazy thoughts. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the size of population. Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take TARP haven't
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
I agree with you on peoples financial priorites but its their business as long as they dont take assistance from taxpayers. As for malice - people in Vegas and Nevada think so. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Chuck, where did I say unrestrained? The rest of my post is questions. So, I agree with your reply in as much as that nobody should be unrestrained. As far as history, to what do you refer to? -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:34 AM, RickG wrote: Jack, The only companies that can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it are the ones given a monopoly and power by guess who - big government! So, where is the problem? Is it the companies or the government? That statement completely ignores history. The tendency of any unconstrained capitalist is to form a monopoly. Hell, *I'd* do it if I could ;-). And unconstrained capitalism that achieves a monopoly rarely acts in its customers own best interests. If nothing else, it's in our society's interest to prevent monopolies because innovation stagnates in a monoploy situation. Some restraint by government is necessary to keep the system from damaging itself. Part of your argument is specious since by definition once government restrains most monopolies, the only ones left are the ones it allows (but there's no real content in that statement). There are very few created monopolies (mail still and phones from a long time ago being two of them). Chuck On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) “Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik’s Cube?…Any Internet company that offers a voice application?” … “With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn’t voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?” Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made
