Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeremie Chism
Docsis 3.0 is available here and while the do have higher download speeds, the upload has not improved and stays at a little over 2 mb. That is where we compete with higher upload and more reliable service. Also if you have a problem we are on the way. Comcast may be tomorrow or the next

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeremie Chism
Some of the modems can be flashed and work with 3.0. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
Like Road Runners Turbo Boost. They make it out to be a big deal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
I've noticed Time Warner having speed issues as well. It must be system wide. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how

Re: [WISPA] Interesting...

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
I see that you understand, young Padawan. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Interesting... Sounds like

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of course. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, March

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
A very well known example.. Dell. Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent:

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeff Ehman
Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Steve Barnes
Agreed, our monthly cost is about $16 per client. Including backhaul, staff, insurance, rent, etc. That does not even include tower upgrades and repairs. $29.99 is our cheapest service and I am moving anyone I can off of it due to the complaints that I get about speed. $39.99 is my basic

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
LOL! I get all the time already! Like I said, the ARPU is what matters. Still, if I offered $29, I think most would downgrade to it. Cant make $29 work on the current business model. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We start at 29 bucks.  The way I

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
Thats right and my point. I dont see $15/month anywhere near sustainable for any company. My curiosity is, what number is? As I mentioned, for me $49.99/month is comfortable. Any lower and things get sacrificed. I run a tight ship and am frugal. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Ehman

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeff Ehman
And keep in mind, if your business is smaller there is a lot less overhead so a larger one will need to raise that minimum comfortable level. The one thing you need to look at though, is if they received funding to build-out DSL somehow. There are a lot of government funded grants out there.

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
We've been selling a loss leader dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now. We don’t lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Patrick Leary
Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread MDK
Well, define big plan. In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 miles. My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and things are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread MDK
Even if their model is not sustainable, and they're going to run out of cash... If you run out before they do, the results are just as deadly. I can't compete with $15 DSL. Nobody can.Not even them.As you say, it's not sustainable, so look at where they really intend to compete, and

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone gets a piece)? Greg On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote: Well, define big plan. In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

2010-03-25 Thread Curtis Maurand
I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. MySQL dbmail postfix spamassassin fuzzyOCR amavisd-new clamav It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't find a cool control panel. These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their appliances. On 3/24/2010

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Scott Reed
MT allows you to create queues that will make sure everyone gets a piece. Greg Ihnen wrote: Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone gets a piece)? Greg On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote: Well, define big plan. In a P2P situation, an 11a access

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
That's why I wonder if MDK is talking about MT AP's. Greg On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote: MT allows you to create queues that will make sure everyone gets a piece. Greg Ihnen wrote: Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone gets a piece)?

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

2010-03-25 Thread Curtis Maurand
Go to this page and look for scam.sh http://it.dennyhalim.com/2009/02/postfix-postgrey-clamsmtp-sanesecurity.html the scam.sh does a great job of getting new rules and some really good ones. I don't get much spam and not too many false positives, either. --C On 3/24/2010 9:27 PM, Kristian

[WISPA] IPV6- Was how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
While on the topic of IPv6. Wireless gear does not need to respond directly to IPV6, but it does need to be able to pass IPV6 traffic, to be relevent for the future. The conversion to IPV6 was mandatory for many entities such as Government. A WISP could quickly be left out of opportunity,

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? I bet a lot of Canopy users will start to self answer that question when they compare the 5750's C/I of 3db to pmp430's C/I of probably 20db. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeff Ehman
Yes, it is a race but whoever has the customers first has the upper-hand by a long-shot. I was commenting on keeping existing business not grabbing new business. New business will be tough to get besides word-of-mouth advertising. -Jeff There is a difference -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop answering the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer is on their own. I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION, but not as a forced requirement. We all know what I'm talking about all the things

[WISPA] Phone exchanges

2010-03-25 Thread Scott Reed
Does anyone know where I can find a KML that shows telephone exchange coverage? We need to know what areas we cover with our dial-up phone numbers relative to our towers.. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239

[WISPA] Article about Verizon from the Post

2010-03-25 Thread Jeff Broadwick
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032403 106_pf.html Telecom giant challenges FCC role in broadband By Cecilia Kang Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, March 25, 2010; A14 One of the nation's biggest telecommunications providers urged the Federal

[WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread Steve Barnes
I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for updates. I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage,

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread Jeremie Chism
Fasthosts.com. 50.00/month unlimited domains and unlimited standard email accounts. Not saying that is the beat solution, just what we use. Completely white label if you get all the extras that have one time costs. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Steve Barnes

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread Jeremie Chism
Oh, and they have exchange also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for updates. I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service is low

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
Recently this topic came up (maybe it was even this same thread near the start) that someone mentioned that the companies who are doing give-away priced internet were the companies which have are getting government subsides for the land lines and it's the subsidies which are their bread and

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. In my situation, I found that over 2 thirds of the subs WERE NOT using the email but were with mostly Yahoo and a few other online services. I found myself having to deal with cleaning out junk mail from stagnant email

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I use Gmail. Don't get those calls. Still get some revenue. On 3/25/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. In my situation, I found that over 2 thirds of the subs WERE NOT using the email but were with mostly

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

2010-03-25 Thread Chuck Hogg
Maia MailGuard is a very nice frontend/control panel for it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

2010-03-25 Thread Glenn Kelley
fully brandable as well :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Maia MailGuard is a very nice frontend/control panel for it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

2010-03-25 Thread Chuck Hogg
Yes, I did an integration of their template directly into our website. Works very well. Very easy to use and maintain. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
Bob, Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want walk-in traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! On Thu, Mar 25,

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jason Bailey
Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed option,let me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments to make your life easier!!!Were here to help you --- On Thu,

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
I was expecting you to chime in Tom :) Thats exactly what I'm talking about and agree 100%. I cant figure out how $24.95 or even $29.95 works. But then, what number does? I realize when talking dollars that everyone's answer will vary because of a number of factors. But on a percentage basis, does

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
After trying in-house and other hosting for years I finally ended up at surpasshosting.com about 5 years ago. They use WHM and CPanel, have very few issues and quick responses when they do. They are not the cheapest but not expensive either. While in Florida, I visited their twin data centers.

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
Josh, Do you use Google's ISP solution? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I use Gmail.  Don't get those calls.  Still get some revenue. On 3/25/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and

[WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges

2010-03-25 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
If you're looking for wire center maps, good luck- I've never been able to find them. Brian Webster says they are not freely available. Here are LATA maps but not in KML: http://www.latamaps.com/Telecom_Maps/Regional_LATA_maps/regional_lata_maps.html http://www.localcallingguide.com will

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I've never been because it's so close. I may end up going this year. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25,

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
Around here they would call and say cancel my account, you're internet is slow and I switched to DSL or cable. And then I'd say but you can have faster if you buy our... click - lost connection. No second chances around here. Give them speed and reliability or they switch in a heartbeat. I just

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Jason Bailey
As a ham,i will say Dayton rocks,There are all kinds of deals a ham or wisp can love!!!Just be sure you have cash and alot of time on your hands! --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
LERG access is expensive for sure! Maybe you can find enough info here -- http://www.telcodata.us/telcodata/telco?gclid=COio9_av1aACFQOjiQod-T9itA or here -- http://www.dslreports.com/coinfo Otherwi$e: http://www.npanxxsource.com/npanxx.htm?referer=googlegclid=CPLB7Imv1aACFQ1lgwodBgVGtg -RickG

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
Josh, It would be cool to meet you. Maybe we can get a WISP lunch going? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never been because it's so close.  I may end up going this year. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jason Bailey
Hmmm,good point,I guess it works both ways,I think it is that way everywhere.Not sure what market Bob is working,I guess it depends if he has competition.Either way,well put Rick..One must remember to look at both sides! --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Justin Wilson
My buddy and I are going to go. Not sure what day. It¹s a fun time, even though I am not a HAM. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:18:37

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Definitely! Let me know when you're in town and/or call me. On 3/25/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, It would be cool to meet you. Maybe we can get a WISP lunch going? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never been because it's

Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges

2010-03-25 Thread Brian Webster
Yea you have to pay a pretty good price for wire center maps. I think the last time I checked it was around $1500 per state. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Blake Bowers
If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
What's the rope? On 3/25/10, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor

Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting

2010-03-25 Thread Jerry Richardson
We do. We love it, customers love it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting Josh, Do you use Google's ISP solution? On

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
Me either, but was always interested. It may be a good time to meet. We're going for the first day (Friday, May 14th). On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:    My buddy and I are going to go.  Not sure what day.  It¹s a fun time, even though I am not a HAM. --

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
We'll be there Friday the 14th. I'll give you a shout when we arrive. I dont know much about the restaurants there but we should put something together. Who knows Dayton? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Definitely!  Let me know when you're in

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Blake Bowers
I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a roll, all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools. This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how special yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...) Tug with it, pull with it, lift with

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Blake Bowers
Crud... Broken spool number 2. I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will come apart. Were you able to get the rope off? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From:

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-25 Thread Blake Bowers
Tell you what, if enough people go - and I decide to go - I will provide a hospitality area for anyone from the WISPA general list. Free soft drinks, chairs, etc. I usually get 4 stalls, and have room left over. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm the opposite, I prefer to shop at stores with self checkout. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:28 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges

2010-03-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't believe there are any official ratecenter maps. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List

[WISPA] Boston/New Jeresy

2010-03-25 Thread Mike Goicoechea
Does anyone have service in the Revere Massachusetts area? We are also looking for assistance on the ground In Revere as well as New Jersey. Please contact me off list with any questions/suggestions. Best regards, Mike Goicoechea Cielo Systems International 806-977-9001 ext 101