As I write, is it 1:40 AM, I'm tired as heck, but have been mulling this
question for days, and have finally taken the time to do this. First, to
my self-motivated enemies who can't stand anything I say Nuts!, I'm
right and I know it. Now, for the rest, who are interested in more than
just
Did you upgrade to 4.9 Did you run an earlier version with this router with
this same configuration? Have you tried regressing to an earlier version?
Did you post this issue to the MT forum?
Greg
On May 27, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
4.9
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From:
I like - FBI Surveillance Van #1
-- Original Message --
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:20:05 -0400
I woudlnt know but some say it costs to get the good stuff.
On Wed, May 26,
I have just taken the Registration page live for the WISPA Regional Meeting
in St. Louis on July 21st and 22nd. I will update the show schedule as more
details are known.http://wispaslrm.eventbrite.com
http://wispaslrm.eventbrite.com
I didn't realize I had post dated the Sales Start Date
Now I would connect to that just to see what kind of a mess I could get into.
(Probably using someone else's computer though)
Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Stuart
Mark,
This is an interesting and well thought out proposal. Thank you for
taking the time to post and for also not making it politically charged. It
might be a good idea to create a condensed version of this proposal with
simple bullet points. Politicians and other government officials
Auto neg can cause problems.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Kevin Sullivan
kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote:
No, it's a gig link, set to auto neg.
Kevin
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From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010
On 5/27/2010 10:04 AM, RickG wrote:
Auto neg can cause problems.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Kevin Sullivan
kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote:
No, it's a gig link, set to auto neg.
snip
auto-neg definitely the problem especially if non gig on other side.
Lock both sides down
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 04:55, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
[ snip: a lot of interesting ideas with which I personally disagree
but they're still interesting ideas ]
This idea recognizes and codifies that subsidy = threat of regulation and
that free markets with a competitive
So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors
with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig
PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think
with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + the of the PTP, I
could've made everyone in
No laws against selling it. You just have to stay within the FCC power
limits and regulations and you're smooth. LOS is cheap to use, no line of
site is expensive but doable.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of
Done
Please take the survey. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XC5DF7F There are 10
questions on two pages. You must answer all statements with Agree,
Undecided or Disagree to proceed.
I would have liked to have asked whether the responders are a member or a
non-member but we are only allowed 10
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 08:56:53AM -0700, finkle dinkle wrote:
So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors
with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig
PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think
with the bandwidth I
My first recommendation would be to legally change your name from Finkle
Dinkle to something that sounds a little more business-like. I'd
recommend something like Joe Smith or Bob Jones.
finkle dinkle wrote:
So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors
with crappy
Sheesh you guys, you're scaring him AND making fun of his name. Welcome
to the club :)
--
Randy Cosby
Vice President
InfoWest, Inc
435-674-0165 x 2010
http://www.infowest.com/
As knowledge increases, the verdict of yesterday must be reversed
today, and in the long run the most positive
On 5/27/2010 12:13 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
Done
Please take the survey. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XC5DF7F There are 10
questions on two pages. You must answer all statements with Agree,
Undecided or Disagree to proceed.
I would have liked to have asked whether the responders are a
Thanks for the suggestion about changing my name, I'll be sure to
download the forms, submit them and change my name to Jack Ungerton.
Well, I know the capabilities of a NanoBridge M5 now as I've tested it
for a friend but it was done for two buildings around 500 feet in
distance.
Is something
Yeah. What the heck guys?
If it was that involved 3/4's of the people on this list would be unemployed or
doing something else.
Someone needs to layout the bootstrap version for him. I can't do it on a
blackberry
-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From:
Punctuation, too. I can't answer most of these because I can't grasp
what's being asked.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
100 Mbit doesn't exist in ptmp wireless.
If your goal is to do a 12 mile gigabit link (which is going to be
impossible in 1 hop) and then offer service to people inside the
building, is there any existing wiring?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
It won't happen today. My day is shot. I will forward this to the Board.
Maybe someone else can step in and assist.
Thanks,
Rick
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:46 PM
Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the name. I even
recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity forums.Anyhow,
welcome. I would suggest reading through the archives for some good
discussions on things.
Justin
--
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
That's why I had to change my name from Richard Head. That last name was a
curse on this list. Now I have a last name that gets me more respect.
-Richard Face
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent:
Justin, appreciate your suggestion. I've been looking around and will
continue to.
Josh, the gbit ptp will be done through fiber to the building, then
whoever in the building wants service.. will pay set up to get set up
with ethernet or fiber to my office.
I know I could get enough business
Then you could provide the access via dsl in the building. That would be
the logical route to go I think.
-Richard
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of finkle dinkle
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:08 PM
To: WISPA General
"Ungerton" sounds very nice; it's right up there with "Ungerville"
which is way ahead of "Ungerberg". Unfortunately, "Ungerstanding" is
already taken. To avoid confusion, you might want to consider a
different first name... maybe "Biff" or "Roger".
finkle dinkle wrote:
Thanks for the
There are a few considerations to make before heading down this path.
1. What are you selling against? DSL, Cable, 3G, Satellite
2. What speeds are available via these services
3. What is your terrain like - trees, hills, valley, desert, etc
4. What is the max distance you are looking to cover -
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 02:55:21AM -0700, MDK wrote:
As long as there is money on the table - as long as any administration or
agency or even Congress has the means to buy off resistance - there is no
reliable massive block of resistance. As was pointed out in other emails,
an alliance
I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs to
get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the customer.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-
micro.com wrote:
Then you could provide the access via dsl in the
If you haven't been in this business you probably don't fully
understand the work involved so I agree that if your not making money
it won't last long. Especially those 7am calls because the Internet
isn't working (even though it may have nothing to do with your
service) and the customer
On 05/27/2010 01:23 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
and the customer who does perpetual speed tests and as soon
as he doesn't get his speed ( even though he knows it is best effort
and not dedicated) wants you to come out.
Wait a minute we have that customer too...so he's using you for a
Like this: http://netsys-direct.com/vdsl_products.php
Bring your bandwidth to the Telco room and connect to your router
Connect router to VDSL switch next to the telephone punch blocks
Cross connect from the VDSL switch to the punch block on a pair to the
customers unit
Install a modem in the
I knew when he asked me about load balancing routers something was up.
I won't fight you over him that's for sure. Haha.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 27, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
wrote:
On 05/27/2010 01:23 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
and the customer who does
1/2) UVerse is coming soon, box has been outside for 6 months on,
neighbors can get it but not the building yet. 6mbit max dsl and 28/3
possible cable modem but it's usually unstable.
3) if I want to sell LOS, it's pretty flat if I recall, I dont know to
what degree I can shoot LOS though, it may
Hi all
I am curious to know if anybody tried this product. Any comment?
Another question: can I migrate from Horizon Compact to Quantum or
better to invest directly into the quantum?
Thank you in advance.
P.S. most of the links should be 1+1 or with some form of redundancy
--
Ing. Paolo Di
I remember those days. Glad that ended 3 years ago, myself.
On 5/27/10, finkle dinkle char...@gmail.com wrote:
1/2) UVerse is coming soon, box has been outside for 6 months on,
neighbors can get it but not the building yet. 6mbit max dsl and 28/3
possible cable modem but it's usually
Are you trying to say that I'm just dreaming?
I do appreciate everyone's input..
I bet a few people have had the same dream as I, then started it and
figured out it wasn't all too easy..
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I remember those days.
I have a large amount of Compacts in the air without issue. They work great.
They are not upgradeable to Quantum or Duo.
If you will need the bandwidth then go directly to the Quantum. Be careful of
your 1+1 idea. Makes no sense if you are running one common IDU with one
common ODU with 2
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of finkle dinkle
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
1/2) UVerse is coming soon, box has been outside for 6 months on,
Thanks...I was not writing this as if it were a mature proposal... but
rather as something to stimulate debate.I'm sure that other people see
pitfalls in things I don't, and may perceive unintended consequences I have
not. I don't consider it be anywhere near best of all worlds, but it
I agree with small. I wonder if Census Block would work. Where I am it
will be a long time before it makes sense to cover 95% of a couple of
zip codes. 1 to 2 houses per square mile in hills and trees. But with
census blocks I can hit 95% of a lot of them. Also, since the Form 477
moved
I kinda like finkle dinkle, it has a ring to it! Speaking of funny names:
http://blogote.com/2008/resources/worlds-longest-domain-names-website-on-internet.html
http://blogote.com/2008/technology/googles-funny-weird-surprising-domain-names.html
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Jack Unger
OrYou Dont Know Jack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Don't_Know_Jack_(game)
Whoops, back to the computer game Thread --
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
Ungerton sounds very nice; it's right up there with Ungerville which is
way ahead of Ungerberg.
Good list Jerry! I'd also recommend a good business plan in writing.
Oh! 7. Are you prepared to get little sleep, give up most of your
free time for at least the forst 2-3 months?
You meant 2-3 years, correct? ;)
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Or BPL.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs to
get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the customer.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Robert West
Thought BPL was dead
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Or BPL.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chism
Yea, I will want to specialize only in businesses truthfully, when I
say that I will support residential, they're going to pay business
rates and I will hand pick the people if they call me.. I dont want
headaches
Unfortunately I do not knowingly buy Motorola brand products for
personal reasons.
Ubiquiti will not do 50+ stations. Period.
You might get 25 on low bandwidth rates (2x512).
On 5/27/10, finkle dinkle char...@gmail.com wrote:
Yea, I will want to specialize only in businesses truthfully, when I
say that I will support residential, they're going to pay business
rates and I
It still exists but not the degree other methods of access do. While
high medium voltage use is still an option in some places, I was
actually referring to the in-building aspect of the network. There is
some cool equipment for that use:
http://www.corinex.com/in-building-solution-2.html
Is that what you told Rickeesha? :)
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
That's why I had to change my name from Richard Head. That last name was a
curse on this list. Now I have a last name that gets me more respect.
-Richard Face
-Original
Anyone near Oklahoma have a Trango M900AP they are willing to let go of?
Patrick Nix, Jr.,
Computer Network Solutions
CSWEB.NET Internet Services
IT Manager
http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
http://www.csweb.net
(918) 235-0414
Attention: This e-mail and
I would sell one if you need it.
On 5/27/10, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:
Anyone near Oklahoma have a Trango M900AP they are willing to let go of?
Patrick Nix, Jr.,
Computer Network Solutions
CSWEB.NET Internet Services
IT Manager
Your Moto bias will cost you.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of finkle dinkle
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Yea, I will want to specialize only in
I just want to see what everyone else is using and what their
experiences are.
Thanks,
Pat
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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Waverider has one but I have not personally used it. I have a couple
of their 5.8 units running for over 2 years. No problems.
900 didn't have enough bandwidthfor me.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 27, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote:
I just want to see what everyone
Can you lock down gig? Most of the time I've tried to do that it seemed
problematic.
Kevin
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From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem
On 5/27/2010 10:04
What NICs are your Linux routers?
On 5/27/10, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote:
Can you lock down gig? Most of the time I've tried to do that it seemed
problematic.
Kevin
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From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent:
Broadcom, not sure which. I'll check.
Kevin
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem
What NICs are your Linux routers?
On
I would definitely replace those. IME Broadcom is the worst *nix NIC.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Thu, May 27,
I was thinking the same thing... I want to be business class and go the cheap-o
route. By a Yugo, get Yugo quality...especially if you think 50 business
customers on a single ap is going to work well in an urban area with UBNT.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
AMEN to THAT
use Intel wherever possible
On May 27, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I would definitely replace those. IME Broadcom is the worst *nix NIC.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final,
Well, I'm not saying I want a single AP, just trying to determine
which route with UBNT products would support the most per client
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
I was thinking the same thing... I want to be business class and go the
cheap-o route. By a
Rocket w/matching sector
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-Original Message-
From: finkle dinkle char...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:51:37
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Well, I'm not saying I want a single AP, just trying to determine
CPEs are limited on APs. APs are limited in spectrum.
On 5/27/10, finkle dinkle char...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I'm not saying I want a single AP, just trying to determine
which route with UBNT products would support the most per client
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Chuck Hogg
And Motorola has a unique way of reusing spectrum...I've been blown away how
you can reuse spectrum so easily with Canopy. I've got 4 towers that can see
each other on the same frequency using canopy...do that with
MT/UBNT/Tranzeo/StarOS...and you have this little problem called
if you are not going with moto, then the ubiquity airmax stuff would
be as good a choice as any. you might get 20 business class subs per
ap and you should be able to get 3 120deg sectors on the roof. you
will run into self interference problems at around 20 subs per AP.
unfortunately you will
I don't know about 50 - it totally depends on your customers' bandwidth rates.
On 5/27/10, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
if you are not going with moto, then the ubiquity airmax stuff would
be as good a choice as any. you might get 20 business class subs per
ap and you
Well...you need to look at it from another standpoint. A vast majority
of businesses that we are going to be signing up are either 3-6MB/s DSL
or us. You can oversubscribe a 430 AP very well at those rates. And I
would argue that those customers wanting more bandwidth would be better
served
Yep, I will look and test ubnt equipment.. I'm in no rush, just
learning legalities and stuff.
I never thought about vdsl from the phone room, that's a great idea..
Ultimately I'd love to bring a gig ptp in there and be able to do
everything that I wanted to do in the past and be able to
MDK,
I applaud your Email. It will take some time to fully digest all the
relevent points that were addressed.
I dont agree with everything that you suggested, but I do agree with a
signfiicant part of it.
One realization that you brought up which I agree with is regarding that we
will reach
I used a MoTo 900 AM SM for a backhaul to a remote site for 3 years.
Was able to push 3Megs so to the site. Was 5 miles with nowhere near LOS.
Used Yagis on both ends. Link was flawless. Before that I used some
Waverider 900 gear. It was struck by lightning so I changed to Canopy.
I am not disagreeing with the advantages of Canopy. No doubt Canopy is a
quality carrier grade type system.
BUT, to be fair There are other factors to consider..
1) Syncing can be effective for spectrum reuse, and extremely useful. But,
it can become less effective and sometimes can still
I am seeking three (3) panelists for each of the tracks below. Please send
me an email if you are interested. I would like to have good representation
from multiple companies so don't be bashful. I'm also looking for two (2)
WISPs who have a success story to tell. This is for the WISPA
This is in no way way to put your responses down JP...but in almost all
your responses you have responded as a WISP that is making money
Yes, I expect USF money to be used as bait in how this plays out.
SNIP
I see no reason to have permanent USF subsidy. It is money down the toilet
over
1. While I don't disagree with most of what you are saying, show me the day
that a UBNT product can have 160+ clients connected to it with sub 10ms ping
times to them all. One single AP, passing 7mb aggregate of traffic. I've had
Trango, Canopy, and a huge pusher of MikroTik (same proto as
Show me the day that a UBNT product can have 160+ clients connected to it
with sub 10ms ping times to them all.
I cant. Canopy wins that one, atleast in PtMP mode.
(Tenant building is different story, where we have a few CPEs to AP, but a
lot of customers behind each CPE).
If a super cell
Please note that I said refundable tax credits. That is, if your credits
are more than your taxes, you get a check back.
This could be done so that your refunds would be quarterly.
++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
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Tom, I've always assumed that the debate on this topic is going to be out of
public view.
What I've said is not news to anyone, it's not any secret and being proposed
to WISPA publicly will change nothing, influence nothing, in terms of how
anyone else chooses strategy or positions.
I hope
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 18:12 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote:
Your Moto bias will cost you.
Here we go againthis is not NECESSARILY true. Let's not start this
whole thread again...ok?
--
* Butch Evans *
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