Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
So the bastards get away with it :( If go the mac from the connection. It was to a Juniper Networks unit. Too bad there is not a mac/owner cross reference list. Oh well, back to the gridnstone. - From: ab...@blacklotus.net [mailto:ab...@blacklotus.net] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:13 AM To: Rick Gunderson Subject: Re: [#78277] abuse Our network does not allow outbound UDP from that subnet (208.64.123.0/24). I can assure you the traffic you're seeing is not originating from our AS/network. The traffic is most certainly spoofed and designed to cause your DNS systems to DDoS my network. (See DNS reflection/amplification attack). Basically someone in control of a large botnet is sending DNS queries to various networks with spoofed source address fields to cause response traffic to target our network. I can assure you there is no outbound DNS queries from that address, our network is blocking UDP ingress/egress from that range also. Best regards, On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Sure, A friend of mine wrote it, So YMMV. 2 files, Pretty simple. http://whois.141networks.com/scripts.zip Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:51 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Works nicely. Care to share the script? Ralph Brightlan.net *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Yup, I run mine on a linux box. By default, linux whois hits Arin, Or RIPE..etc. Then if the org has a private whois server it will hit it. Where everything else just hits arin and thats it. Notice how it hits both below. Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] I have a php script that makes this web-accessible. Anyone that wants to use it is free to http://whois.141networks.com. However, That is hosted from my personal residence so be gentle. :D //me might move it to the colo here soon though.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 PM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection *interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is says:* # Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n + *208.64.123.177* # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=false # NetRange: 208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 CIDR: 208.64.120.0/21 OriginAS: AS32421 NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 NetHandle: NET-208-64-120-0-1 Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET RegDate:2005-12-22 Updated:2009-11-11 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 OrgName:Black Lotus Communications OrgId: BLC-92 Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 City: Virginia Beach StateProv: VA PostalCode: 23452 Country:US RegDate:2004-04-22 Updated:2009-02-12 Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 OrgAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Operations Center OrgAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechName: Network Operations Center OrgTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgTechEmail: OrgTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgNOCEmail: OrgNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseName: Network Operations Center RAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 RAbuseEmail: RAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RTechName: Network Operations Center RTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RTechEmail: RTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RNOCName: Network Operations Center RNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RNOCEmail: RNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN # # ARIN WHOIS data
Re: [WISPA] CMM Required?
Since you have 6 non-overlapping channels that you can use, with only three radios, you do not need the CMM timing. You can have each radio generate sync. This changes if you have other canopy 5.7 gear on the towers. Marco Coelho On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You can use a parasitic thing from Packet Flux. Or CTM. On Aug 21, 2010 11:06 PM, Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to get a definitive answer here and Moto ain't a helpin'! For a site with 2 or 3 5720BH units (all links PtP - no AP-SU traffic), do I 'have to' use a CMM? I'd prefer to bring each link inside on a separate wire to isolate them in the router for failover configuration. Can't do much with them if they are all on one wire in one interface. Thanks Ed triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
The MAC address it would report would be your upstream router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/23/2010 1:18 AM, RickG wrote: So the bastards get away with it :( If go the mac from the connection. It was to a Juniper Networks unit. Too bad there is not a mac/owner cross reference list. Oh well, back to the gridnstone. - From: ab...@blacklotus.net mailto:ab...@blacklotus.net [mailto:ab...@blacklotus.net mailto:ab...@blacklotus.net] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:13 AM To: Rick Gunderson Subject: Re: [#78277] abuse Our network does not allow outbound UDP from that subnet (208.64.123.0/24 http://208.64.123.0/24). I can assure you the traffic you're seeing is not originating from our AS/network. The traffic is most certainly spoofed and designed to cause your DNS systems to DDoS my network. (See DNS reflection/amplification attack). Basically someone in control of a large botnet is sending DNS queries to various networks with spoofed source address fields to cause response traffic to target our network. I can assure you there is no outbound DNS queries from that address, our network is blocking UDP ingress/egress from that range also. Best regards, On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Sure, A friend of mine wrote it, So YMMV. 2 files, Pretty simple. http://whois.141networks.com/scripts.zip Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 *From*: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:51 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Works nicely. Care to share the script? Ralph Brightlan.net *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Yup, I run mine on a linux box. By default, linux whois hits Arin, Or RIPE..etc. Then if the org has a private whois server it will hit it. Where everything else just hits arin and thats it. Notice how it hits both below. Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net http://whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 http://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net http://rwhois.blacklotus.net] I have a php script that makes this web-accessible. Anyone that wants to use it is free to http://whois.141networks.com. However, That is hosted from my personal residence so be gentle. :D //me might move it to the colo here soon though.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 *From*: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 PM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection /interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is http://who.is says:/ # Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n + *208.64.123.177* # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=false http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=false # NetRange: 208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 CIDR: 208.64.120.0/21 http://208.64.120.0/21 OriginAS: AS32421 NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 NetHandle: NET-208-64-120-0-1 Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET http://NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET http://NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET RegDate:2005-12-22 Updated:2009-11-11 Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 OrgName:Black Lotus Communications OrgId: BLC-92 Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 City: Virginia Beach StateProv: VA PostalCode: 23452 Country:US RegDate:2004-04-22 Updated:2009-02-12 Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 ReferralServer:
Re: [WISPA] CMM Required?
Actually, I was looking at the VLAN function and it appears that I could get the results I want with that. Is anyone familiar enough with these to know if the VLAN port isolation works as advertised. ie: restrict radio on port 1 to talk only to port 2, port 3 only talk to port 4, etc. so that I can isolate legs into different router interfaces. Thanks On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Since you have 6 non-overlapping channels that you can use, with only three radios, you do not need the CMM timing. You can have each radio generate sync. This changes if you have other canopy 5.7 gear on the towers. Marco Coelho On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You can use a parasitic thing from Packet Flux. Or CTM. On Aug 21, 2010 11:06 PM, Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to get a definitive answer here and Moto ain't a helpin'! For a site with 2 or 3 5720BH units (all links PtP - no AP-SU traffic), do I 'have to' use a CMM? I'd prefer to bring each link inside on a separate wire to isolate them in the router for failover configuration. Can't do much with them if they are all on one wire in one interface. Thanks Ed triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
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Re: [WISPA] CMM Required?
Yes it works. You can define one port as the uplink port, then the others cannot see each other, only the uplink port. This is strictly port based vlan. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I was looking at the VLAN function and it appears that I could get the results I want with that. Is anyone familiar enough with these to know if the VLAN port isolation works as advertised. ie: restrict radio on port 1 to talk only to port 2, port 3 only talk to port 4, etc. so that I can isolate legs into different router interfaces. Thanks On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Since you have 6 non-overlapping channels that you can use, with only three radios, you do not need the CMM timing. You can have each radio generate sync. This changes if you have other canopy 5.7 gear on the towers. Marco Coelho On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You can use a parasitic thing from Packet Flux. Or CTM. On Aug 21, 2010 11:06 PM, Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to get a definitive answer here and Moto ain't a helpin'! For a site with 2 or 3 5720BH units (all links PtP - no AP-SU traffic), do I 'have to' use a CMM? I'd prefer to bring each link inside on a separate wire to isolate them in the router for failover configuration. Can't do much with them if they are all on one wire in one interface. Thanks Ed triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Wow. Really? I found the documentation on Plat to generally be understandable...enough that I was able to wrap my mind around it perform a conversion from QuickBooks. I implemented Plat in '07. Instead of just importing basic customer info starting balances (as recommended) I actually wrote code to import all historical data from QuickBooks into Plat. Past invoices, payments, etc biofiwere all re-created in Plat. I even tied in provisioning for most of our back-end services (email, DHCP, RADIUS, FTP, CPE ) into Plat after the initial import. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:41, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I purchased platypus in 2007 and tried to implement it. It was rather difficult and cryptic. I abandoned the project. On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 5:23 pm, David Sovereen wrote: Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end of the year. Because of the issues Matt pointed out, I don't want to really add much more until it's automated. Well, after I rebuild a bunch of backhauls and turn a new network into a routed one, the backends are next on my list. There sure isn't much information out there on Azotel. If I didn't get the Solutions4ebiz emails, I'd think it was a secret. I remember deciding against Platypus years ago, but now I don't remember why. Maybe I should revisit. The thing I don't like about WISPMon is that it's outsourced. Well, unless I pay $10k, which would be inappropriate for my size. I don't outsource my email, my DNS, my hosting, my lawn cutting, etc. Everything is in-house . - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/22/2010 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and continues to do so as we implement more of its features. The only issue I have with Plat is the service provisioning dialogs get messy very quickly when provisioning objects with quite a few service parameters. For example, I haven't found a clean way to manage customer DNS records from Plat, or WiMAX QoS profiles. Anyone using Plat should understand the particular limitations I'm talking about. *sigh* Perhaps I'm just looking to integrate too much… -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Wow. Really? I found the documentation on Plat to generally be understandable...enough that I was able to wrap my mind around it perform a conversion from QuickBooks. I implemented Plat in '07. Instead of just importing basic customer info starting balances (as recommended) I actually wrote code to import all historical data from QuickBooks into Plat. Past invoices, payments, etc biofiwere all re-created in Plat. I even tied in provisioning for most of our back-end services (email, DHCP, RADIUS, FTP, CPE ) into Plat after the initial import. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:41, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I purchased platypus in 2007 and tried to implement it. It was rather difficult and cryptic. I abandoned the project. On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 5:23 pm, David Sovereen wrote: Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end of the year. Because of the issues Matt pointed out, I don't want to really add much more until it's automated. Well, after I rebuild a bunch of backhauls and turn a new network into a routed one, the backends are next on my list. There sure isn't much information out there on Azotel. If I didn't get the Solutions4ebiz emails, I'd think it was a secret. I remember deciding against Platypus years ago, but now I don't remember why. Maybe I should revisit. The thing I don't like about WISPMon is that it's outsourced. Well, unless I pay $10k, which would be inappropriate for my size. I don't outsource my email, my DNS, my hosting, my lawn cutting, etc. Everything is in-house . - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/22/2010 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] CMM Required?
If you are starting from no 5.7AP's you could get away with with no sync, but without a baseline you will not know how much not having sync will hurt you. Having been running 3 5750AP's on a mountain top for over 5 years my recommendation is to use sync. If you only have one tower and no other Canopy AP's within earshot, you can do it the cheap and easy way by setting one AP to generate sync, and the other two to receive sync on the timing port. Tie the 3 timing ports together on all three AP's and they will be in sync with each other. A couple of alternatives to the CMM are - PacketFlux SyncPipes - Last Mile Gear - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CMM Required? Since you have 6 non-overlapping channels that you can use, with only three radios, you do not need the CMM timing. You can have each radio generate sync. This changes if you have other canopy 5.7 gear on the towers. Marco Coelho On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You can use a parasitic thing from Packet Flux. Or CTM. On Aug 21, 2010 11:06 PM, Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to get a definitive answer here and Moto ain't a helpin'! For a site with 2 or 3 5720BH units (all links PtP - no AP-SU traffic), do I 'have to' use a CMM? I'd prefer to bring each link inside on a separate wire to isolate them in the router for failover configuration. Can't do much with them if they are all on one wire in one interface. Thanks Ed triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CMM Required?
The LMG CTM is better and cheaper. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. Keep in mind it is NOT a switch so you need to buy one (I suggest an rb493). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: If you are starting from no 5.7AP's you could get away with with no sync, but without a baseline you will not know how much not having sync will hurt you. Having been running 3 5750AP's on a mountain top for over 5 years my recommendation is to use sync. If you only have one tower and no other Canopy AP's within earshot, you can do it the cheap and easy way by setting one AP to generate sync, and the other two to receive sync on the timing port. Tie the 3 timing ports together on all three AP's and they will be in sync with each other. A couple of alternatives to the CMM are - PacketFlux SyncPipes - Last Mile Gear - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CMM Required? Since you have 6 non-overlapping channels that you can use, with only three radios, you do not need the CMM timing. You can have each radio generate sync. This changes if you have other canopy 5.7 gear on the towers. Marco Coelho On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You can use a parasitic thing from Packet Flux. Or CTM. On Aug 21, 2010 11:06 PM, Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to get a definitive answer here and Moto ain't a helpin'! For a site with 2 or 3 5720BH units (all links PtP - no AP-SU traffic), do I 'have to' use a CMM? I'd prefer to bring each link inside on a separate wire to isolate them in the router for failover configuration. Can't do much with them if they are all on one wire in one interface. Thanks Ed triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the Plus column... - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and continues to do so as we implement more of its features. The only issue I have with Plat is the service provisioning dialogs get messy very quickly when provisioning objects with quite a few service parameters. For example, I haven't found a clean way to manage customer DNS records from Plat, or WiMAX QoS profiles. Anyone using Plat should understand the particular limitations I'm talking about. *sigh* Perhaps I'm just looking to integrate too much… -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Wow. Really? I found the documentation on Plat to generally be understandable...enough that I was able to wrap my mind around it perform a conversion from QuickBooks. I implemented Plat in '07. Instead of just importing basic customer info starting balances (as recommended) I actually wrote code to import all historical data from QuickBooks into Plat. Past invoices, payments, etc biofiwere all re-created in Plat. I even tied in provisioning for most of our back-end services (email, DHCP, RADIUS, FTP, CPE ) into Plat after the initial import. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:41, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I purchased platypus in 2007 and tried to implement it. It was rather difficult and cryptic. I abandoned the project. On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 5:23 pm, David Sovereen wrote: Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end of the year. Because of the issues Matt pointed out, I don't want to really add much more until it's automated. Well, after I rebuild a bunch of backhauls and turn a new network into a routed one, the backends are next on my list. There sure isn't much information out there on Azotel. If I didn't get the Solutions4ebiz emails, I'd think it was a secret. I remember deciding against Platypus years ago, but now I don't remember why. Maybe I should
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Mike H, What do you want to do that Freeside can't? Wispmon is adding new tools and features almost weekly at this point. It was deisigned by guys running a wisp to encompass as many aspects of the industry in a single platform as possible. As far as I know, there isn't a more comprehensive product available and we'll hold your hand until the system is up and running. That is not to say that we will do all your all of your config for you, but we will certainly help you with everything on our end and we can provide a good deal of advice for the provisioning side of things on your end or point you to people who can help if you don't know what to do. Please hit me offlist to discuss the capabilities further. Regards, Cameron WispMon.com On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.netwrote: This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the Plus column... - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and continues to do so as we implement more of its features. The only issue I have with Plat is the service provisioning dialogs get messy very quickly when provisioning objects with quite a few service parameters. For example, I haven't found a clean way to manage customer DNS records from Plat, or WiMAX QoS profiles. Anyone using Plat should understand the particular limitations I'm talking about. *sigh* Perhaps I'm just looking to integrate too much… -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Wow. Really? I found the documentation on Plat to generally be understandable...enough that I was able to wrap my mind around it perform a conversion from QuickBooks. I implemented Plat in '07. Instead of just importing basic customer info starting balances (as recommended) I actually wrote code to import all historical data from QuickBooks into Plat. Past invoices, payments, etc biofiwere all re-created in Plat. I even tied in provisioning for most of our back-end services (email, DHCP, RADIUS, FTP, CPE ) into Plat after the initial import. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:41, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I purchased platypus in 2007 and tried to implement it. It was rather difficult and cryptic. I abandoned the project. On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 5:23 pm, David Sovereen wrote: Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Wispmon seems great! Pricing, not so... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Mike H, What do you want to do that Freeside can't? Wispmon is adding new tools and features almost weekly at this point. It was deisigned by guys running a wisp to encompass as many aspects of the industry in a single platform as possible. As far as I know, there isn't a more comprehensive product available and we'll hold your hand until the system is up and running. That is not to say that we will do all your all of your config for you, but we will certainly help you with everything on our end and we can provide a good deal of advice for the provisioning side of things on your end or point you to people who can help if you don't know what to do. Please hit me offlist to discuss the capabilities further. Regards, Cameron WispMon.com On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the Plus column... - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and continues to do so as we implement more of its features. The only issue I have with Plat is the service provisioning dialogs get messy very quickly when provisioning objects with quite a few service parameters. For example, I haven't found a clean way to manage customer DNS records from Plat, or WiMAX QoS profiles. Anyone using Plat should understand the particular limitations I'm talking about. *sigh* Perhaps I'm just looking to integrate too much... -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Wow. Really? I found the documentation on Plat to generally be understandable...enough that I was able to wrap my mind around it perform a conversion from QuickBooks. I implemented Plat in '07. Instead of just importing basic customer info starting balances (as recommended) I actually wrote code to import all historical data from QuickBooks into Plat. Past invoices, payments, etc biofiwere all re-created in Plat. I even tied in provisioning for most of our back-end services (email, DHCP, RADIUS, FTP, CPE ) into Plat after the initial import. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:41, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I purchased platypus in 2007 and tried to implement it. It was rather difficult and cryptic. I abandoned the project. On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 5:23 pm, David Sovereen wrote: Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Hello Mark, It is fairly easy to come up with a Perl script that outputs all of the customer radios into a text file that you can then parse and put into Nagios. We do that with Xymon for all of our customer devices, and it works very well.You can also come up with a pgsql request coming from your Nagios box that just extracts the wanted information out of the Freeside database and reloads Nagios. For inventory tracking, we have a separate item number for each radio type. Fairly easy to generate a report showing how many of each type of radio we have in the system, and we use the MAC address of the radio as the serial number. I do not use Freeside to keep track of inventory that is outside of the billing system, we have a separate program for that task. Freeside documentation is kind of lacking, and it takes some time to get figured out. Unfortunately, when you get to a certain size billing gets quite complicated and just about anything you use is going to be complex. I've been using Freeside for 8 years now.It is hands down better than all of the other billing systems that I have had direct experience with (Rodopi, Billmax, Emerald, Powercode) but I cannot give any recommendation one way or the other toward Platypus or Wispmon. Being able to modify it and adjust it to fit our needs is very important to me, and probably one of the biggest issues I have had with other billing systems. Once we got over the initial hump, it has been excellent for us. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 8/22/2010 10:57 PM, Mark Dueck wrote: I too have been working on putting up a billing system for over a year now. I have a working VM from Freeside, but it really seems like it's not a full install. I can't get anything to really work in it, or maybe it's just that there's no documentation and I don't know how to get it working. From what I've played with it, it does not have half the inventory tracking that I would like, and the whole table structure looks so darn complicated, it would take me a few full days studying all the tables to come up with a python script that would generate my nagios config file for my clients -- which are my full intentions for whichever system I put in unless it has it's own monitoring system. I found this page a few weeks ago: http://www.cio.com.au/article/324595/5_open_source_billing_systems_watch/ I've taken a quick look at each, and so far the CitrusDB seems to be the easiest one to work with and extent to what I would like to have. Unless we can put our heads together and document how to get freeside working because I've heard that you can without much effort extend it to do most anything. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pdf ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
Recently it came to light that since the cable doesn't have a drain wire it isn't as desirable. It is what I have and I'm using until I run out. I will probably end up changing for a cable with a drain wire. You might want to try Dayton Wintronic http://tinyurl.com/3yhu42d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pdf ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Gino, Thanks for the endorsement. We of course believe that any cost of the product will be more than made up in productivity increases and cost savings the product produces for your overall business. With just the sales portion, we've been able to save some customers as many as 80% of their site survey truck rolls per month. If you are adding 20 customers per month and you survey 15 of them with a truck roll at a cost of $40/visit including gas/labor/maintenance/time, and 12 of those go away, then the product just saved you $480. At our current pricing structure, if you were spending $480/month on our PRO software that would mean that you had 600 customers. Of course you could realize those savings with JUST the sales portion of the program which does not incur a monthly fee. The cost savings of using the pro version and going from potentially several software platforms to a single integrated package could easily add multiples to the cost savings described above. We were able to run a 1200 customer wisp spread over about 1000 sq miles with myself, my partner, one installer/tech, and 2 customer support folks (1day/1 night) using the platform. And that was before we added the billing system, provisioning, and phone apps it has now. If you want to talk more about it and discuss pricing options hit me off list. I'd like to know what price point people are willing to pay for such a comprehensive platform. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispmon seems great! Pricing, not so… Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Mike H, What do you want to do that Freeside can't? Wispmon is adding new tools and features almost weekly at this point. It was deisigned by guys running a wisp to encompass as many aspects of the industry in a single platform as possible. As far as I know, there isn't a more comprehensive product available and we'll hold your hand until the system is up and running. That is not to say that we will do all your all of your config for you, but we will certainly help you with everything on our end and we can provide a good deal of advice for the provisioning side of things on your end or point you to people who can help if you don't know what to do. Please hit me offlist to discuss the capabilities further. Regards, Cameron WispMon.com On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the Plus column... - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and continues to do so as we implement more of its features. The only issue I have with Plat is the service provisioning dialogs get messy very quickly when provisioning objects with quite a few service parameters. For example, I haven't found a clean way to manage customer DNS records from Plat, or WiMAX QoS profiles. Anyone using Plat should understand the particular limitations I'm talking about. *sigh* Perhaps I'm just looking to integrate too much… -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Wow. Really? I found the documentation on Plat to generally be understandable...enough that I was able to wrap my
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
Thanks Josh; that is true, I noticed it didn't have a drain wire as some others did. Also, do you happen to know any place that will sell like, 250', instead of a full 1000'? -Steven On 8/23/2010 15:25, Josh Luthman wrote: Recently it came to light that since the cable doesn't have a drain wire it isn't as desirable. It is what I have and I'm using until I run out. I will probably end up changing for a cable with a drain wire. You might want to try Dayton Wintronic http://tinyurl.com/3yhu42d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pdf ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
This is shielded direct burial with drain wire and no GUI stuff. http://store.jeffcosoho.com/product_p/cat5e%20shielded%20cable%201000%20ft.htm Thanx Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.jeffcosoho.com (WISPA Vendor Member) Complete Assembled Mikrotik Radios at the cost of parts with free basic configuration on all complete systems. Member discount code for web orders=wispa Learn RouterOS book on sale now, use coupon code=book www.linktechs.net (WISPA Vendor Member) Offering Mikrotik Training, Network Consulting, Radio Coverage Mapping, and Powerouter Products. * On 8/23/2010 2:17 PM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pdf ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
We sell partial at $.25/ft Thanx Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.jeffcosoho.com (WISPA Vendor Member) Complete Assembled Mikrotik Radios at the cost of parts with free basic configuration on all complete systems. Member discount code for web orders=wispa Learn RouterOS book on sale now, use coupon code=book www.linktechs.net (WISPA Vendor Member) Offering Mikrotik Training, Network Consulting, Radio Coverage Mapping, and Powerouter Products. * On 8/23/2010 2:38 PM, Steven McGehee wrote: Thanks Josh; that is true, I noticed it didn't have a drain wire as some others did. Also, do you happen to know any place that will sell like, 250', instead of a full 1000'? -Steven On 8/23/2010 15:25, Josh Luthman wrote: Recently it came to light that since the cable doesn't have a drain wire it isn't as desirable. It is what I have and I'm using until I run out. I will probably end up changing for a cable with a drain wire. You might want to try Dayton Wintronic http://tinyurl.com/3yhu42d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pdf ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
They only manufacture 1000 feet spools and I wouldn't expect anyone to respool it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Thanks Josh; that is true, I noticed it didn't have a drain wire as some others did. Also, do you happen to know any place that will sell like, 250', instead of a full 1000'? -Steven On 8/23/2010 15:25, Josh Luthman wrote: Recently it came to light that since the cable doesn't have a drain wire it isn't as desirable. It is what I have and I'm using until I run out. I will probably end up changing for a cable with a drain wire. You might want to try Dayton Wintronic http://tinyurl.com/3yhu42d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pdf ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
I'm not incredibly put off by the pricing, if I could use the subscription pricing on a box located on my network, under my control. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/23/2010 2:33 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: Gino, Thanks for the endorsement. We of course believe that any cost of the product will be more than made up in productivity increases and cost savings the product produces for your overall business. With just the sales portion, we've been able to save some customers as many as 80% of their site survey truck rolls per month. If you are adding 20 customers per month and you survey 15 of them with a truck roll at a cost of $40/visit including gas/labor/maintenance/time, and 12 of those go away, then the product just saved you $480. At our current pricing structure, if you were spending $480/month on our PRO software that would mean that you had 600 customers. Of course you could realize those savings with JUST the sales portion of the program which does not incur a monthly fee. The cost savings of using the pro version and going from potentially several software platforms to a single integrated package could easily add multiples to the cost savings described above. We were able to run a 1200 customer wisp spread over about 1000 sq miles with myself, my partner, one installer/tech, and 2 customer support folks (1day/1 night) using the platform. And that was before we added the billing system, provisioning, and phone apps it has now. If you want to talk more about it and discuss pricing options hit me off list. I'd like to know what price point people are willing to pay for such a comprehensive platform. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispmon seems great! Pricing, not so… Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Mike H, What do you want to do that Freeside can't? Wispmon is adding new tools and features almost weekly at this point. It was deisigned by guys running a wisp to encompass as many aspects of the industry in a single platform as possible. As far as I know, there isn't a more comprehensive product available and we'll hold your hand until the system is up and running. That is not to say that we will do all your all of your config for you, but we will certainly help you with everything on our end and we can provide a good deal of advice for the provisioning side of things on your end or point you to people who can help if you don't know what to do. Please hit me offlist to discuss the capabilities further. Regards, Cameron WispMon.com On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the Plus column... - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com mailto:bl...@beamspeed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it.
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Cameron, I tried to contact you after the WISPA show, e-mailed a few times, and submitted something on your website, nadda on the call back dude :( --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Gino, Thanks for the endorsement. We of course believe that any cost of the product will be more than made up in productivity increases and cost savings the product produces for your overall business. With just the sales portion, we've been able to save some customers as many as 80% of their site survey truck rolls per month. If you are adding 20 customers per month and you survey 15 of them with a truck roll at a cost of $40/visit including gas/labor/maintenance/time, and 12 of those go away, then the product just saved you $480. At our current pricing structure, if you were spending $480/month on our PRO software that would mean that you had 600 customers. Of course you could realize those savings with JUST the sales portion of the program which does not incur a monthly fee. The cost savings of using the pro version and going from potentially several software platforms to a single integrated package could easily add multiples to the cost savings described above. We were able to run a 1200 customer wisp spread over about 1000 sq miles with myself, my partner, one installer/tech, and 2 customer support folks (1day/1 night) using the platform. And that was before we added the billing system, provisioning, and phone apps it has now. If you want to talk more about it and discuss pricing options hit me off list. I'd like to know what price point people are willing to pay for such a comprehensive platform. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispmon seems great! Pricing, not so... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Mike H, What do you want to do that Freeside can't? Wispmon is adding new tools and features almost weekly at this point. It was deisigned by guys running a wisp to encompass as many aspects of the industry in a single platform as possible. As far as I know, there isn't a more comprehensive product available and we'll hold your hand until the system is up and running. That is not to say that we will do all your all of your config for you, but we will certainly help you with everything on our end and we can provide a good deal of advice for the provisioning side of things on your end or point you to people who can help if you don't know what to do. Please hit me offlist to discuss the capabilities further. Regards, Cameron WispMon.com On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the Plus column... - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
I've used some outdoor UV rated from here: www.teledataexpress.com and have been happy with it. They have great pricing and so far what we have seems good. I think they will do the odd sizes too, but don't hold me to that. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e This is shielded direct burial with drain wire and no GUI stuff. http://store.jeffcosoho.com/product_p/cat5e%20shielded%20cable%201000%20ft.h tm Thanx Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.jeffcosoho.com (WISPA Vendor Member) Complete Assembled Mikrotik Radios at the cost of parts with free basic configuration on all complete systems. Member discount code for web orders=wispa Learn RouterOS book on sale now, use coupon code=book www.linktechs.net (WISPA Vendor Member) Offering Mikrotik Training, Network Consulting, Radio Coverage Mapping, and Powerouter Products. * On 8/23/2010 2:17 PM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pd f ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet to Fiber Adapters
Get a 24-12 or 24-5 volt dc-dc converter on ebay for it. http://stores.ebay.com/fiberopticforallwarehouse also has chassis' that work on 24v, though the individual converters probably use 12v. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:27:00PM -0400, Scott Reed wrote: I have a tower that it looks like the only option is to run fiber to the RB433 as there is an FM repeater station just below us. All my RBs are running at 24VDC. What Ethernet to Fiber adapters are folks using that run on 24VDC? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
I'll hit you offlist. Cameron On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I'm not incredibly put off by the pricing, if I could use the subscription pricing on a box located on my network, under my control. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 8/23/2010 2:33 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: Gino, Thanks for the endorsement. We of course believe that any cost of the product will be more than made up in productivity increases and cost savings the product produces for your overall business. With just the sales portion, we've been able to save some customers as many as 80% of their site survey truck rolls per month. If you are adding 20 customers per month and you survey 15 of them with a truck roll at a cost of $40/visit including gas/labor/maintenance/time, and 12 of those go away, then the product just saved you $480. At our current pricing structure, if you were spending $480/month on our PRO software that would mean that you had 600 customers. Of course you could realize those savings with JUST the sales portion of the program which does not incur a monthly fee. The cost savings of using the pro version and going from potentially several software platforms to a single integrated package could easily add multiples to the cost savings described above. We were able to run a 1200 customer wisp spread over about 1000 sq miles with myself, my partner, one installer/tech, and 2 customer support folks (1day/1 night) using the platform. And that was before we added the billing system, provisioning, and phone apps it has now. If you want to talk more about it and discuss pricing options hit me off list. I'd like to know what price point people are willing to pay for such a comprehensive platform. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispmon seems great! Pricing, not so… Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Mike H, What do you want to do that Freeside can't? Wispmon is adding new tools and features almost weekly at this point. It was deisigned by guys running a wisp to encompass as many aspects of the industry in a single platform as possible. As far as I know, there isn't a more comprehensive product available and we'll hold your hand until the system is up and running. That is not to say that we will do all your all of your config for you, but we will certainly help you with everything on our end and we can provide a good deal of advice for the provisioning side of things on your end or point you to people who can help if you don't know what to do. Please hit me offlist to discuss the capabilities further. Regards, Cameron WispMon.com On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the Plus column... - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and continues to do so as we implement more of its features. The only issue I have with Plat is the service provisioning dialogs get messy very quickly when provisioning objects with quite a few service parameters. For example, I haven't found a clean way to manage
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Inventory stuff? Gerard has built some custom PHP scripts to do some neat things...and I have done some as well. Problem is, we keep saying ooh it'd be neat to do this... and then we go and do it. So our Platypus installation isn't the norm at all. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Chuck - did you ever get an automated system for your network equipment? I thought you were working on something to do all that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We use Platypus as well. The cost is well worth it, and is cheaper than most. $100/mth for up to 1,000 customers, $200/mth for 5000 customers. It integrates with IPPay flawlessly. It has the capability to do a lot of customizing. $2000 for a full 2 day training course, in your office if you can't figure it out. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: +1 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end of the year. Because of the issues Matt pointed out, I don't want to really add much more until it's automated. Well, after I rebuild a bunch of backhauls and turn a new network into a routed one, the backends are next on my list. There sure isn't much information out there on Azotel. If I didn't get the Solutions4ebiz emails, I'd think it was a secret. I remember deciding against Platypus years ago, but now I don't remember why. Maybe I should revisit. The thing I don't like about WISPMon is that it's outsourced. Well, unless I pay $10k, which would be inappropriate for my size. I don't outsource my email, my DNS, my hosting, my lawn cutting, etc. Everything is in-house . - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/22/2010 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
Do you have a link to the FTP? We have a few apex's that could use some love. I'll wait for the release notes though, before I upgrade. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Dennis, I saw the one email about your desire to become a reseller and I passed that off to my partner who handles such things. He admits that it fell through the cracks...my apologies. I should have at least notified you that I got the mail and redirected. I'll be more vigilant in the future. We had an incredible response from the show and have literally been doing demos and new customer adds every day since. We have a structured program in place for distributors and I will get that info to you off list. If anyone else missed a reply from us, please hit me again. I found a couple mails in the spam folder, and thought I'd gotten back to everyone. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: Cameron, I tried to contact you after the WISPA show, e-mailed a few times, and submitted something on your website, nadda on the call back dude :( *--- **Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer** * *Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net *LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/* *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 2:34 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Gino, Thanks for the endorsement. We of course believe that any cost of the product will be more than made up in productivity increases and cost savings the product produces for your overall business. With just the sales portion, we've been able to save some customers as many as 80% of their site survey truck rolls per month. If you are adding 20 customers per month and you survey 15 of them with a truck roll at a cost of $40/visit including gas/labor/maintenance/time, and 12 of those go away, then the product just saved you $480. At our current pricing structure, if you were spending $480/month on our PRO software that would mean that you had 600 customers. Of course you could realize those savings with JUST the sales portion of the program which does not incur a monthly fee. The cost savings of using the pro version and going from potentially several software platforms to a single integrated package could easily add multiples to the cost savings described above. We were able to run a 1200 customer wisp spread over about 1000 sq miles with myself, my partner, one installer/tech, and 2 customer support folks (1day/1 night) using the platform. And that was before we added the billing system, provisioning, and phone apps it has now. If you want to talk more about it and discuss pricing options hit me off list. I'd like to know what price point people are willing to pay for such a comprehensive platform. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispmon seems great! Pricing, not so… Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Mike H, What do you want to do that Freeside can't? Wispmon is adding new tools and features almost weekly at this point. It was deisigned by guys running a wisp to encompass as many aspects of the industry in a single platform as possible. As far as I know, there isn't a more comprehensive product available and we'll hold your hand until the system is up and running. That is not to say that we will do all your all of your config for you, but we will certainly help you with everything on our end and we can provide a good deal of advice for the provisioning side of things on your end or point you to people who can help if you don't know what to do. Please hit me offlist to discuss the capabilities further. Regards, Cameron WispMon.com On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW...
Re: [WISPA] [* SPAM (Header)] - Re: Backend systems - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses
There are many companies that will provide you with Platypus and manage the service for you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:40 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [* SPAM (Header)] - Re: [WISPA] Backend systems - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses Platypus Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 22, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: I would agree that there should be a cost effective system that can manage your customers, track tickets, and even help provision and redirect customers for payment. Without payments, well, we won't go there. The hard part is finding a software that does what you need it to do all of the time, an that is VERY difficult I have found. My business touches well over 1000 WISPs and operators around the world, but yet, I have not found a good software to be able to recommend, resell that simply works. I have seen some, but we need systems that can scale from 100 user networks, that are cost effective to run even at that low number to 10,000. So, thats what I have seen be the problem. If you have a suggestion let me know! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems yikeS! How many customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Matt that seems a little harsh. I guess I would fall into the same category. I use Excel to track my billing. I send an email out on the 15th of every month to every customer. Most of my customers are billed the same amount. It takes me less than an hour each month to do my initial billing, and probably a couple hours more to chase deadbeats. I do no paper billing, it is all via email. I've been doing it for a few years now and don't feel like I'm destined for failure. Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Just a quick point here, because this is a key element for WISP operators Mike, if you are too poor to pay the $2000 or devote the time to setup a billing system then you should seriously question whether you should be in this business at all. Once the initial network deployment is completed, backend and billing is the most important element of a WISP business. Ignore it at your own peril. Spending too much on equipment and not enough on handling the a/r is the leading cause of bankruptcy and irrelevance among WISP operators. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/22/2010 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
We do that as well. Essentially you end up with Platypus as the billing/data core with a lot of value add off to the side. If you keep everything loosely coupled upgrades etc aren't a problem. So far we've always had at least one network and one customer service person that can program so when a efficiency gain can come by writing something they do it. Has been working out OK for the past 4 years even with turnover. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Inventory stuff? Gerard has built some custom PHP scripts to do some neat things...and I have done some as well. Problem is, we keep saying ooh it'd be neat to do this... and then we go and do it. So our Platypus installation isn't the norm at all. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Chuck - did you ever get an automated system for your network equipment? I thought you were working on something to do all that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We use Platypus as well. The cost is well worth it, and is cheaper than most. $100/mth for up to 1,000 customers, $200/mth for 5000 customers. It integrates with IPPay flawlessly. It has the capability to do a lot of customizing. $2000 for a full 2 day training course, in your office if you can't figure it out. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: +1 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end of the year. Because of the issues Matt pointed out, I don't want to really add much more until it's automated. Well, after I rebuild a bunch of backhauls and turn a new network into a routed one, the backends are next on my list. There sure isn't much information out there on Azotel. If I didn't get the Solutions4ebiz emails, I'd think it was a secret. I remember deciding against Platypus years ago, but now I don't remember why. Maybe I should revisit. The thing I don't like about WISPMon is that it's outsourced. Well, unless I pay $10k, which would be inappropriate for my size. I don't outsource my email, my DNS, my hosting, my lawn cutting, etc. Everything is in-house . - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/22/2010 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Chuck, would you be willing to share or sell your code? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 23, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Inventory stuff? Gerard has built some custom PHP scripts to do some neat things...and I have done some as well. Problem is, we keep saying ooh it'd be neat to do this... and then we go and do it. So our Platypus installation isn't the norm at all. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Chuck - did you ever get an automated system for your network equipment? I thought you were working on something to do all that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We use Platypus as well. The cost is well worth it, and is cheaper than most. $100/mth for up to 1,000 customers, $200/mth for 5000 customers. It integrates with IPPay flawlessly. It has the capability to do a lot of customizing. $2000 for a full 2 day training course, in your office if you can't figure it out. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: +1 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end of the year. Because of the issues Matt pointed out, I don't want to really add much more until it's automated. Well, after I rebuild a bunch of backhauls and turn a new network into a routed one, the backends are next on my list. There sure isn't much information out there on Azotel. If I didn't get the Solutions4ebiz emails, I'd think it was a secret. I remember deciding against Platypus years ago, but now I don't remember why. Maybe I should revisit. The thing I don't like about WISPMon is that it's outsourced. Well, unless I pay $10k, which would be inappropriate for my size. I don't outsource my email, my DNS, my hosting, my lawn cutting, etc. Everything is in-house . - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/22/2010 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Matchmaker and Taxpayer Waste
Today I had a farmer in rural Illinois call me. He is building a new 110 grain leg and was inquiring on what it would take to do wireless Internet from it. He says he has DSL now from a rural telephone coop but they wont sell him wireless service from one of their towers ½ mile away because he has DSL. This farmer would like to get rid of his phone line and all of the expense and taxes with it. Obviously, the rural telco does not want to give up their USF subsidies by converting this customer over to wireless. I was able to locate a WISPA member within 40 miles of his farm and introduced the two. I hope it works out for both the farmer and the WISPA member. The reason I bring this up is that it is evidence that USF subsidies are outdated and burdensome to Broadband competition and deployment. The loss of income from federal USF subsidies, far outweigh the cost savings to the customer. It is no wonder that people want to ditch their phone lines so badly. With the federal government subsidizing this ancient copper telco infrastructure at an estimated average of $17,000 per line per year, common sense would tell every taxpayer in the US that the time for USF reform is now. Is it time to make some noise about this unfairness in the market place? I think so! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Matchmaker and Taxpayer Waste
Continuing to subsidize an outdated, 100+ year technology is absolutely wasteful. How about a subsidy for telegraph lines as well? They prop up an unnecessary service. Its gonna fall and its already on its way out. I get customers all the time by explaining that they can SAVE money by dropping the copper line that they only use for dial-up service. Most use cell phones now. We just need to refer to it as a telco bailout. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:05 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Matchmaker and Taxpayer Waste Today I had a farmer in rural Illinois call me. He is building a new 110 grain leg and was inquiring on what it would take to do wireless Internet from it. He says he has DSL now from a rural telephone coop but they wont sell him wireless service from one of their towers ½ mile away because he has DSL. This farmer would like to get rid of his phone line and all of the expense and taxes with it. Obviously, the rural telco does not want to give up their USF subsidies by converting this customer over to wireless. I was able to locate a WISPA member within 40 miles of his farm and introduced the two. I hope it works out for both the farmer and the WISPA member. The reason I bring this up is that it is evidence that USF subsidies are outdated and burdensome to Broadband competition and deployment. The loss of income from federal USF subsidies, far outweigh the cost savings to the customer. It is no wonder that people want to ditch their phone lines so badly. With the federal government subsidizing this ancient copper telco infrastructure at an estimated average of $17,000 per line per year, common sense would tell every taxpayer in the US that the time for USF reform is now. Is it time to make some noise about this unfairness in the market place? I think so! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor STP 5e
Shireen has some nice cable. Good shield, zip string, drain wire. Gooey or not gooey. I know they sell by the foot and 500', don't know if they spool 250' http://www.shireeninc.com/ Steven McGehee wrote: Thanks Josh; that is true, I noticed it didn't have a drain wire as some others did. Also, do you happen to know any place that will sell like, 250', instead of a full 1000'? -Steven On 8/23/2010 15:25, Josh Luthman wrote: Recently it came to light that since the cable doesn't have a drain wire it isn't as desirable. It is what I have and I'm using until I run out. I will probably end up changing for a cable with a drain wire. You might want to try Dayton Wintronic http://tinyurl.com/3yhu42d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey all, I was looking to buy some Mohawk Outdoor Cat5e STP cable, ( http://www.mohawk-cable.com/images/products/pdf/lantrak%20cat%205e%20sctp.pdf ) but my vendor informed me that it takes 4-5 weeks to get ordered, compared to two days for the UTP version. Does anyone have a quicker route to obtain such cable? I'm not stuck on Mohawk as a brand, but I know and love their Outdoor UTP stuff. Thank you! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
I downloaded the files but I'm not going first :) Someone let me know if you have a successful upgrade and the link doesn't get blown up. I've bled so much lately (non-related) that I can't self-induce this one. Any successful or non-successful feedback on this upgrade would be very appreciated. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Return-Path: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Received: from outboundmail.mvn.net (outboundmail.mvn.net [66.232.160.104]) by mail.brevardwireless.com with SMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:33:34 -0400 Received: by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id A1257C8116; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:34:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-mvn_2010_0823_1 (2008-06-10) on outboundmail.mvn.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=7.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5-mvn_2010_0823_1 Received: from plesk.mvn.net (plesk-1.mvn.net [66.232.160.84]) by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3068C8464 for sc...@brevardwireless.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:01:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22526 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 15:01:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (HELO plesk.mvn.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 15:01:23 -0500 Delivered-To: 24-wirel...@wispa.org Received: (qmail 21921 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 15:01:17 -0500 Received: from mx1.mvn.net (HELO junkmail.mvn.net) (66.232.160.16) by webpanel.mvn.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 15:01:17 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1282593676-233c00710001-RAC2qD Received: from authore.QX.Net (authorephp.qx.net [64.191.128.96]) by junkmail.mvn.net with ESMTP id n9xA72K77brQkMjh for wireless@wispa.org; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:01:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: l...@qx.net X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.191.128.96 Received-SPF: pass (junkmail.mvn.net: domain of qx.net designates 64.191.128.96 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.191.128.96; envelope-from=l...@qx.net; Received: from [64.191.128.136] (unverified [64.191.128.136]) by authore.QX.Net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.7.840.18) with ESMTP id g0599898...@authore.qx.net for wireless@wispa.org; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:01:14 -0400 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: Error=NoRecords X-Modus-BlackList: 64.191.128.136=OK;l...@qx.net=ok X-Modus-RBL: 64.191.128.136=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 64.191.128.136=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: 4c72d389.4080...@qx.net Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:01:13 -0400 From: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-Barracuda-Connect: authorephp.qx.net[64.191.128.96] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1282593676 X-Barracuda-URL: http://junkmail.mvn.net:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at mvn.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.38826 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description -- -- Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-BeenThere: wireless@wispa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org List-Id: WISPA General List wireless.wispa.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless List-Post: mailto:wireless@wispa.org List-Help: mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Errors-To: wireless-boun...@wispa.org X-Rcpt-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: Bayesian Filtering, Commtouch 0 [value: Unknown], SPF_Pass, DK_None, DKIM_None X-CTCH-RefId: str=0001.0A010208.4C72DB5E.00E1,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 1 Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
I'll send you the FTP login offlist, I'm not sure if Trango would like me to post that on the list or not -- but yeah I just installed this on a bench/un-used pair and no problems. Should be putting this unit into production this week. Thanks. On 8/23/2010 16:40, Nick Olsen wrote: Do you have a link to the FTP? We have a few apex's that could use some love. I'll wait for the release notes though, before I upgrade. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 *From*: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net *Sent*: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:35 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
