[WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port switches. Prefer something managed but not 100% necessary. Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are PoE, with GigE uplinks. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port switches. Prefer something managed but not 100% necessary. Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
We like that one, and I've always had good luck with Netgear, but also open to other suggestions. Where did you get it for $350? Cheapest I can find is in the $600 range... --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are PoE, with GigE uplinks. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port switches. Prefer something managed but not 100% necessary. Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
Sorry guess the one I got was a little different: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177 Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours... other than double the price. :) Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: We like that one, and I've always had good luck with Netgear, but also open to other suggestions. Where did you get it for $350? Cheapest I can find is in the $600 range... --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are PoE, with GigE uplinks. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port switches. Prefer something managed but not 100% necessary. Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
The one I'm looking at has all 24 ports 10/100/1000. Appreciate this one too though - for the price difference we may stick with 10/100 for now --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:39:20 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Sorry guess the one I got was a little different: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177 Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours... other than double the price. :) Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: We like that one, and I've always had good luck with Netgear, but also open to other suggestions. Where did you get it for $350? Cheapest I can find is in the $600 range... --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[ mailto:t...@ida.net ] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are PoE, with GigE uplinks. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port switches. Prefer something managed but not 100% necessary. Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
Why would you need GigE for the phones? Or are you running the PC's off the phones as well? We keep the PC and phone on separate networks entirely. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:41 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: The one I'm looking at has all 24 ports 10/100/1000. Appreciate this one too though - for the price difference we may stick with 10/100 for now --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:39:20 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Sorry guess the one I got was a little different: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177 Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours... other than double the price. :) Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: We like that one, and I've always had good luck with Netgear, but also open to other suggestions. Where did you get it for $350? Cheapest I can find is in the $600 range... --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[ mailto:t...@ida.net ] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are PoE, with GigE uplinks. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port switches. Prefer something managed but not 100% necessary. Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
Agreed, we keep the phones separate from the PCs on LANs with more than a few users. Makes troubleshooting much easier in the event something goes awry down the road. That is a decent price for a 24port PoE switch. We've standardized on the Dell switches and have been very happy. We really appreciate Dell's use of a common, intuitive user interface throughout their switch line. Dell prices are better than what is published on their site once you have established an account and start doing a little business. For example on the discount, the PowerConnect 2824 costs us 179.00 rather than the 269.00 they list on their site. I haven't priced it yet, but my guess is the equivalent Dell PoE switch will be more expensive than the NewEgg Netgear deal Travis posted. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Why would you need GigE for the phones? Or are you running the PC's off the phones as well? We keep the PC and phone on separate networks entirely. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:41 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: The one I'm looking at has all 24 ports 10/100/1000. Appreciate this one too though - for the price difference we may stick with 10/100 for now --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:39:20 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Sorry guess the one I got was a little different: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177 Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours... other than double the price. :) Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: We like that one, and I've always had good luck with Netgear, but also open to other suggestions. Where did you get it for $350? Cheapest I can find is in the $600 range... --- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson[ mailto:t...@ida.net ] Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are PoE, with GigE uplinks. Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port switches. Prefer something managed but not 100% necessary. Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily. Thanks! -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels for some clients?
When you are using anything 802.11N as an AP the backwards compatibility with legacy 802.11G stuff is limited to 20mhz channels only. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels for some clients? I'm presently using UBNT M gear as 2.4GHz APs. I've found that all client devices can connect on 20MHz channels and only some clients can connect on 40MHz channels. I also found that when the UBNT gear is in 40MHz channel mode it doesn't fall back to 20MHz for the clients that can't do 40MHz channels as some other brand APs do. Is there an RF card that can be used with an MT board that does 40MHz channels and will fall back to 20MHz channels for the clients that can't do 40MHz? I'd rather stay all UBNT for RF but it doesn't appear they have something that can do this. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near
Blush. Thanks for the kind words Fred! It's really important for everyone else to file too! This is a very big deal and the FCC needs to hear from us! marlon - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near At 4/22/2011 01:07 PM, MarlonS wrote: Hi All, I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are different than the last time I filed directly :-). Marlon, I file a lot of FCC Comments, and have put in both rounds of Comments and the first Reply Comments, and have read a lot of the crap that others have filed, and having seen too many of these postings, YOUR COMMENT ROCKS! It really hits home in many ways. Since you're writing as an individual entrepreneur, not as a lawyer, you aren't stuck with legalese interpretations of conflicting statutes. You're talking real world, something the FCC so rarely deals with. And you write well, which really helps get the point across. Keep it up. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com wrote: They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled to be replaced. Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant. We are looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or block pricing. Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this? Can anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to this, the simpler the better? Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor and automate billing of overages, etc? Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed. --Dan P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated
Mine looks good. I can't wait till we get coverage maps to go with them! There's a bit hole in the middle of Wa. that is actually very well covered :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated Please check your listings and let me know if they are in error. http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170 Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near
At 4/25/2011 01:16 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: Blush. Thanks for the kind words Fred! It's really important for everyone else to file too! This is a very big deal and the FCC needs to hear from us! And we should note that the deadline for Comments is closed, but they're now open to Reply Comments. By tradition, everyone files on the last day, which for the Reply Comments is May 23. If you miss the filing deadline, the best thing to do is to change your filing from a Comment (or Reply Comment) to a Notice of Ex Parte. Those can be filed up to the Sunshine Act closing, which I think is a week before the official Meeting that addresses it. Which is what I think WISPA did last year in the neutrality case. marlon - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near At 4/22/2011 01:07 PM, MarlonS wrote: Hi All, I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are different than the last time I filed directly :-). Marlon, I file a lot of FCC Comments, and have put in both rounds of Comments and the first Reply Comments, and have read a lot of the crap that others have filed, and having seen too many of these postings, YOUR COMMENT ROCKS! It really hits home in many ways. Since you're writing as an individual entrepreneur, not as a lawyer, you aren't stuck with legalese interpretations of conflicting statutes. You're talking real world, something the FCC so rarely deals with. And you write well, which really helps get the point across. Keep it up. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.comwrote: They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Cameron... That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :) I look forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year or so... As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, they will look to Wispmon other key players in this area more more. On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Gosh, I need to hit the right button. That reply was supposed to be offlist. It was not meant to be a sales pitch. Sorry about that. Marlon and I had were talking on the phone earlier and I was replying in part to some of that conversations. My apologies. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Cameron... That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :) I look forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year or so... As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, they will look to Wispmon other key players in this area more more. On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa
[WISPA] New self-supporting tower
Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
What do you mean don't have those? http://www.rohnnet.com/self-supporting-towers Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.netwrote: Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com http://www.amertower.com/ We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the cost of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs were higher on them too than the Rohn. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
At 4/25/2011 05:56 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Sabre Industries makes 150' freestanding monopoles. I suspect they're cheaper than freestanding lattice towers. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
Cost for just the tower? Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 4:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com http://www.amertower.com/ We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the cost of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs were higher on them too than the Rohn. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2011 5:57 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Redline 3.65 ghz Quote
Whos the preffered Redline Vendor? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
Nello. The holes line up, the hardware count is always complete, the construction drawings are simple, no need to drill galvanizing out of the legs and the price is right Rohn makes em but you will pay for the name. -B- Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 21:56:36 GMT+00:00 Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
who does not have them? My supplier does. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
