Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Brian Webster
Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Matt Hoppes
Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need to go to get an acceptable signal. If you are going though trees or near a hill, the Fresnel zones include constructive and nonconstructive zones. sometimes going up 5 feet may help and sometimes it would harm. These are only

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Matt Hoppes
Right. That makes sense. There are some that say that even with a clean fresnel going up or down 10 feet can change things. Never understood that. On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, LTI - Dennis Burgess gmsm...@gmail.com wrote: What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Darin Steffl
I've seen it before too. On the ground with a nanobridge 5 feet above the ground with me holding it, I can get a -58 but go up 10 feet on the roof and it's a -63 with same aiming and clear LOS. Bugs the heck out of me. But I'm not able to go even higher in some cases to try to get a -58 back and

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Brian Webster
Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Matt Hoppes
Interesting explanation. Thanks. On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Scott Reed
The other thing that changing height can do is change the angle of reflected/refracted signals thus changing the amount of multi-path signal the receiver sees. On 4/10/2014 10:44 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Interesting explanation. Thanks. On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread William Juneau
Josh, We use Towercoverage to per-qualify every customer that contacts us about service. We have been very satisfied with it's overall performance and accuracy. Thanks William B. Juneau Sales And Marketing Team Toal Highspeed Internet Solutions will...@totalhighspeed.net

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office:

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman
I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J *Dennis

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread James Howard
Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'll give you 1.47 days.

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman
From 1:33 PM Eastern today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Clay Stewart
Yes, good way to look at it Brian, thanks. So, is there a minimum height per frequency... say for 900Mhz you should never shoot less then x feet', like less then 6'? On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Still needs more testing before it goes live. Is it sad that I was ecstatic to see that?! Love it when the shop tests before deployment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 10, 2014 2:12 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Jim Patient
Ok, Ya'll win. The programmers are working on this as we speak. Finding the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic. The site is going to look at the desired signal. If it is below what it should be the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Joe Miller
Sweet!!! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Ok, Ya'll win. The programmers are working on this as we speak.

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Brian Webster
Not really, Fresnel zone size is a function of frequency and distance between the two end points. The zone is football shaped with the widest part of the zone half way between the two end points. Antenna patterns have nothing to do with Fresnel zone size. Here is a Fresnel Zone size

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Clay Stewart
Excellent! On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: Ok, Ya’ll win. The programmers are working on this as we speak. Finding the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic. The site is going to look at the desired signal. If it is