[WISPA] service in 59532

2005-08-04 Thread 802DSL.COM

Anyone serve this area? Contact me offlist. Thanks

Tom Johnson
802DSL.COM
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Re[2]: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday

2005-08-04 Thread Barry at Mutual Data
Hello Charles,

 (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi
CW access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a convenience to the
CW consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an insidious method of
CW trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks)

We have a village of about 400 homes that has veriscum dsl with
wireless AP's all over it now. You can pretty much stay connected anywhere in 
that
town and stay on the verizon hotspot.  No one needs a 200mw AP in
their house IMO.

Barry


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RE: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday

2005-08-04 Thread Charles Wu
Well..did you (or anyone for the matter) reply to the 3650 NPRM?

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bo Hamilton
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:34 AM
To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially
proposeDSLderegulationonThursday


This is why we need our own spectrum boy and girls  I have seen a 
40% increase in noise in my area.  They all come from Linksys, D-link 
and others on my downtown tower. 

Bo



Barry at Mutual Data wrote:

Hello Charles,

 (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi
CW access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a 
CW convenience to the consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an 
CW insidious method of trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks)

We have a village of about 400 homes that has veriscum dsl with 
wireless AP's all over it now. You can pretty much stay connected 
anywhere in that town and stay on the verizon hotspot.  No one needs 
a 200mw AP in their house IMO.

Barry


  


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RE: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially propose DSL deregulationonThursday

2005-08-04 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message



As an 
FYI - if you're planning on registering for WiNOG, use code WISPA05...you'll 
save $100 off your registration, and we (WiNOG) will donate $25 to WISPA (for 
eachregistration that uses that code)

P.S. - 
due to a computer glitch, we've extended the early registration rate to this 
Friday

-Charles
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2005 

  
  -Original Message-From: Brian Webster 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 
  2005 8:57 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] 
  Fwd: FCC expected to officially propose DSL 
  deregulationonThursday
  Ah,
   But don't forget Craig McCaw and Clearwire. They have been 
  quietly buying licenses and setting up to deploy wireless broadband 
  nationwide. This guy built two major wireless empires before (Cellular One - 
  sold it to ATT and Nextel). He will be ready to pounce on the market that 
  gets caught high and dry. 
   As far as backhaul, remember there is a lot of dark fiber in the 
  US and other companies (Wiltel comes to mind)that provide big pipes and 
  backhaul services. I know they aren't always where we need them but they can 
  be of help. This group is made up of wireless operators, we can create 
  backhauls and networks to get around this problem. It won't be easy and it 
  won't be cheap but alas you could be free of the RBOC's. Seems like FiberTower 
  might be in a good position to help out too. They certainly will be on many 
  towers where your sites are, if not they should be within a backhaul shot to 
  another tower that has connectivity. It's time to think outside the box again. 
  If anyone can figure a way around this problem, this group can. Think of the 
  possibilities of an RBOC free network, when the VOIP companies can't get 
  traffic through other networks, where do you think they will go, can you say 
  wholesale backhaul too? It's just going to take a lot of cooperation and group 
  thinking. This will be a huge challenge for all of thesmall operators 
  who are just able to keep up with their day to day operations. It does seem 
  like the only way out in the long run. Might be a good time to attend the 
  WISPBONE session at WINOG, this is exactly what will be discussed, it now has 
  more urgency.
  
  Thank You,
  Brian Webster
  
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: Tom DeReggi 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 
  9:06 PMTo: Dylan Oliver; WISPA General ListSubject: Re: 
  [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially propose DSL 
  deregulationonThursday
  
AOL and Earthlinks don't need us. They 
will build their own. We just get more competition in the Wireless 
world.
ILECs stop having competition, WISPs start 
having competition. The WISP indistry grows, but existing WISPs start to 
feel the squeeze.
The independant ISP is our friend. Most likely 
if they die, its just a matter of time before we do. 

Should the vote go as planned in favor of the 
ILECs, it will once again be a sad day, like last FEB 2003. Sorta like 
in StarWars, when the Deathstar blew up Princess Leah's home planet as a 
demonstration of its power, feeling a super void in the force as millions of 
people were destroyed in a split second.Only ISP would be 
equivellent to the People on the planet that got destroyed.

The truth is, probably nobody will 
noticeany difference initially when the vote happens, but slowly 
behind the scenes the effects will be seen stronger and stronger as time 
goes on, and eventually leveraged to the full advantage to wipe out 
independant competition.

AS soon as you have 7000 indpendant ISPs, and 
the TOP 10 Giant ISPs like AOL and Earthlinks trying to deploy their own 
networks in unlicense, what do you think will happen? I can tell you the 
recent allocation of 3650 surely isn't enough to solve the problem that will 
quickly become apparent.

Just my 2 cents.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc


 




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dylan 
  Oliver 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:26 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to 
  officially propose DSL deregulation onThursday
  
  "If the vote goes according 
  to Mr. Martin's plan, and the telecommunications companies find themselves 
  free of the requirement that they open their broadband networks to 
  competitors, it could have an immediate effect on ISPs such as America 
  Online and EarthLink. This fall, they could find themselves scrambling for 
  broadband alternatives. " 
  
  How 'bout them 
  alternatives? How you all doing on the build-out of your Open Provider 
  Networks? Come on. AOL may need you! -- 
  Forwarded 

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday

2005-08-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I feel that we are kind of self regulated, where as the big boys, when 
left unregulated, go crazy.


Charles Wu wrote:


snip
If anyone recalls the argument I had with Charles Wu...about how I would
NEVER surrender ownership of every part of my own network, from customer to
carrier hotel if there was any way of keeping it...
/snip

So here's the caveat...

If you refuse to be regulated, then you shouldn't complain when the FCC
rewrites the rules and stops regulating phone/cable incumbents

You can't have double standards - and they can always put up a super-mesh
network and trash your spectrum (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi
access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a convenience to the
consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an insidious method of
trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks)

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expectedtoofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday

2005-08-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I am working with a guy to wholesale my network, and I know Marlon 
wholesales.  Who else, I don't know.  If left unregulated, how many of 
the bells would wholesale?  Sure there are some idiots out there who 
don't know what they are doing, but they won't be around forever.   I'd 
just bet more  willful interference comes from SBCs 400mw wireless 
routers they hand out than from competition.  Ok now Charles.  Enough 
with the questions  :)  You know I'm new to this and not able to defend 
my statements very well.  :)  That being said, ask me some more, and 
we'll see if I can't come up with more answers that don't make sense are 
are easily challenged.  I mostly comment based on intel I gather from 
various sites, forums, and lists.  I just want to learn and contribute 
every time I feel i have knowledge or an opinion of value.

Charles Wu wrote:


snip
Well, for the most part we look out for each other, don't step on each 
others toes, don't lock people out of our networks, ect.  We don't need 
to be all regulated.  We are doing a fine job as is.  WISPs don't do the 
same things the bells do.  Or maybe I don't exactly know what regulation 
means.

/snip

Er...I get almost a daily interference complaint from a WISP who is
looking to sue an unscrupulous competitor for willful interference

And how many WISPs would let a competitor on their network?

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expectedtoofficially
proposeDSLderegulationonThursday




Charles Wu wrote:

 


How are WISPs self-regulated?

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially 
proposeDSLderegulationonThursday



I feel that we are kind of self regulated, where as the big boys, 
when

left unregulated, go crazy.

Charles Wu wrote:



   


snip
If anyone recalls the argument I had with Charles Wu...about how I
would NEVER surrender ownership of every part of my own network, from 
customer to carrier hotel if there was any way of keeping it... /snip


So here's the caveat...

If you refuse to be regulated, then you shouldn't complain when the 
FCC

rewrites the rules and stops regulating phone/cable incumbents

You can't have double standards - and they can always put up a
super-mesh network and trash your spectrum (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems 
now come w/ WiFi access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's 
a convenience to the consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an 
insidious method of trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks)


-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCCexpected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday

2005-08-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Put 04-151 in the top left box.  After that it's easy.

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- Original Message - 
From: Bo Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCCexpected toofficially 
proposeDSLderegulationonThursday



Well I know Im going to get a spankin for this but no, I did not.   If 
there is still time to reply I will. Could you send a link and I will 
reply to the NPRM today.


Thanks

Bo


Charles Wu wrote:


Well..did you (or anyone for the matter) reply to the 3650 NPRM?

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bo Hamilton
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:34 AM
To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially
proposeDSLderegulationonThursday


This is why we need our own spectrum boy and girls  I have seen a 40% 
increase in noise in my area.  They all come from Linksys, D-link and 
others on my downtown tower.

Bo



Barry at Mutual Data wrote:



Hello Charles,

(in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi
CW access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a CW 
convenience to the consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an CW 
insidious method of trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks)


We have a village of about 400 homes that has veriscum dsl with wireless 
AP's all over it now. You can pretty much stay connected anywhere in that 
town and stay on the verizon hotspot.  No one needs a 200mw AP in their 
house IMO.


Barry









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[WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation

2005-08-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Anyone care to comment on this?  Should we also jump into this?

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- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation






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- Original Message - 
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: isp-clec@isp-clec.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation


For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering 
Internet

related products and or services, and their customers.


Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate Open
Access.  What does this mean and what should you do?

While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions for
access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that this does
not bode well for the future of our industry.  While the argument on the
Hill has been that this will create greater competition, any first grader
who can count apples and oranges will recognize that when you take a 
bunch
of them off the table there will be fewer to count and compete.  It 
defies
logic that the Bells have been able to sell this argument, but I suppose 
if

you say it long and loud enough it mysteriously becomes a truth.

First, brace yourself for it is going to be a rough and bumpy ride. 
Second,
while it will not change the immediate outcome, it is contingent upon us 
to

mobilize and send a message to the FCC that we are watching and are
organizing our industry, business and consumers in opposition.

As soon as you read this message take a moment to send word to each of 
the
FCC Commissioners about your concerns and the consequences to your 
business
and that the ultimate impact of deregulation will be bad for America, 
small
business, consumers and our economy.  It would also be a good idea to 
copy

your congressional representatives office when you send the message.  You
can find congressional contact information in the WBIA Legislative Action
Center at http://capwiz.com/wbia/home/.

For your convenience we have provided the Email address for each of the 
FCC
Commissioners and a sample letter which you are welcome to use in 
crafting

your own message. Edit accordingly to give out to your customers.

For posting a letter (not comment) on the FCC Electronic Comment Filing
System, do one post each of the following dockets: 04-29, 04-416, 04-440 
and

04-405. Copy, paste and edit the below sample letter, edit to your liking
and submit a PDF or Word .doc.

Make sure they know who you are and use company letter head. Create 
another

for your customers and or have them sign off on a petition and list all
those separately on the letters and ECFS uploaded lists.


Chairman Kevin Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Commissioner Michael Copps - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Commissioner Kathleen Abernathy - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Chairman or Commissioner _;

We are an ISP, CLEC, or whatever in City___, State_ and serve
#'s__ of customers.  Deregulation will harm our business and the 
ability

to provide competitive services to our customers.   Consumers need and
deserve the choice they enjoy today and deregulation will take away their
right to choose providers and services.

President Bush signed Executive Order 13272 on August 13, 2002 requiring
federal agencies to implement policies protecting small entities when
writing new rules and regulations.  President Bush' Small Business Agenda
states that every new business starts with an idea for a better product 
or

process, which has been the driving force of Internet innovation we enjoy
today.

These ideas become reality only when confident entrepreneurs are willing 
to

take economic risks and ISP's have gallantly taken this risk.  Small
businesses are the heart of the American economy because they drive
innovation - new firms are established on the very premise that they can 
do
a better job and recognize that a one-size-fits all approach is not good 
for

business and innovation.

A few legacy carriers cannot continue to benefit from valuable government
grants and licenses, including the use of public rights-of-way, and be
allowed to extend those rights in a way that bars others from offering 
their

service to the public.

President Bush has called for recognition that supporting America's small
businesses is critical to ensuring continued job creation.  Today, small
businesses create two-thirds of new private sector jobs in America, 
employ
more than half of all 

Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz vs Leaves

2005-08-04 Thread George

Blair Davis wrote:


Anyone have any compairsons for 5.8GHz vs leaves compaired to 2.4GHz vs 
leaves in Near or Non LoS conditions?


Interested in data about 802.11A systems, non-propriatry...

Thanks...




There isn't too much non proprietary 5 gig systems out there.

Star-OS atheros stuff, but even Lonnie, can't make 5 gig A penetrate 
leaves better than 2.4 gig.


As for proprietary solutions, there was one guy who said he was doing a 
nlos shot with some expensive 5 gig stuff, and he said it worked better 
than the 900MHz gear.


It's on one of these lists somewhere.
Could even be in this one if I remember correctly.
George

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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz vs Leaves

2005-08-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/

Second link on the interesting stuff page.
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Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz vs Leaves




Anyone have any compairsons for 5.8GHz vs leaves compaired to 2.4GHz vs 
leaves in Near or Non LoS conditions?


Interested in data about 802.11A systems, non-propriatry...

Thanks...

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[WISPA] more grounding related questions

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Metcalf
I am installing some new rb532's w/ shielded cat5, I have a couple of options,
using shielded connectors all the way to the rb532 connector itself, this would
connect the rb532 ground to the cat5 sheild and tower ground but I'm wondering
if I should only ground it at the antenna itself on the tower and not on the
ground in fear of a ground loop?

Any thoughts, how folks ground/connecting the shielded cat5?

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[WISPA] 6 foot 6ghz antenna rule

2005-08-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Hi All,

For those that don't know, the 6 gig band is licensed ptp only.  It's a 
pretty cheap license and you can get a LOT of throughput for very long 
distances.


For short (less than 50 miles :-) the 6' antenna requirement often kills the 
deal because of size limits on what towers can handle.  Or the building 
owner doesn't want such large antennas etc.


Certainly for something that just shoots a mile or three up the road it's a 
tough rule to deal with.


I'm not exactly sure how to go about it but I've got the name of the person 
at the FCC that'll help us if we'd like to request a rule change.


I'd like to suggest that we push for elimination of the 6' antenna rule for 
the 6 gig band.  If people are worried about undue interference in the band 
due to the wider beam antennas we could toss out an APC (automatic power 
control) requirement to use smaller antennas.


Thoughts?
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RE: [WISPA] 6 foot 6ghz antenna rule

2005-08-04 Thread Rick Smith

I'm in favor of that

How about just requiring tighter beam control on 6ghz stuff ?

I'm sure a 2 foot dish could be restricted down to a tighter beam...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. 
Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:37 PM
To: FCC Discussion
Cc: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 6 foot 6ghz antenna rule

Hi All,

For those that don't know, the 6 gig band is licensed ptp only.  It's a pretty 
cheap license and you can get a LOT of throughput for very long distances.

For short (less than 50 miles :-) the 6' antenna requirement often kills the 
deal because of size limits on what towers can handle.  Or the building owner 
doesn't want such large antennas etc.

Certainly for something that just shoots a mile or three up the road it's a 
tough rule to deal with.

I'm not exactly sure how to go about it but I've got the name of the person at 
the FCC that'll help us if we'd like to request a rule change.

I'd like to suggest that we push for elimination of the 6' antenna rule for the 
6 gig band.  If people are worried about undue interference in the band due to 
the wider beam antennas we could toss out an APC (automatic power
control) requirement to use smaller antennas.

Thoughts?
Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation

2005-08-04 Thread Mac Dearman

Charles,

  I think that statement is about the most ridiculous ( hilarious) 
thing I have ever heard you say. I am glad that its in writing! :-) 

 If all the WISPs in the country banded together we wouldn't be a 
pimple on the ass of a Telco like the Bells. We are so far from even 
being thought of as a mosquito in a heard of Elephants compared to the 
ILECs. You may scare some folks with that statement, but those of us who 
have been here a while and have a real picture of whats what know 
better than that.  


Try Again :-)

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318-728-8600 - Rayville
318-303-4107 - Monroe, La
318-450-4101 - NOC




Charles Wu wrote:


Here's the issue

If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be ready to
ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network
infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote
myself...the government won't support double standards

Good or bad, that's hard to say

-Charles

---
WISPNOG Park City, UT
http://www.wispnog.com
August 15-17, 2005

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA
ACTIONRecommendation


Anyone care to comment on this?  Should we also jump into this?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation


 



--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: isp-clec@isp-clec.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation


   


For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering
Internet
related products and or services, and their customers.


Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate 
Open Access.  What does this mean and what should you do?


While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions 
for access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that 
this does not bode well for the future of our industry.  While the 
argument on the Hill has been that this will create greater 
competition, any first grader who can count apples and oranges will 
recognize that when you take a bunch of them off the table there will 
be fewer to count and compete.  It defies
logic that the Bells have been able to sell this argument, but I suppose 
if

you say it long and loud enough it mysteriously becomes a truth.

First, brace yourself for it is going to be a rough and bumpy ride.
Second,
while it will not change the immediate outcome, it is contingent upon us 
to

mobilize and send a message to the FCC that we are watching and are
organizing our industry, business and consumers in opposition.

As soon as you read this message take a moment to send word to each 
of

the
FCC Commissioners about your concerns and the consequences to your 
business
and that the ultimate impact of deregulation will be bad for America, 
small
business, consumers and our economy.  It would also be a good idea to 
copy

your congressional representatives office when you send the message.  You
can find congressional contact information in the WBIA Legislative Action
Center at http://capwiz.com/wbia/home/.

For your convenience we have provided the Email address for each of 
the

FCC
Commissioners and a sample letter which you are welcome to use in 
crafting

your own message. Edit accordingly to give out to your customers.

For posting a letter (not comment) on the FCC Electronic Comment 
Filing System, do one post each of the following dockets: 04-29, 
04-416, 04-440 and 04-405. Copy, paste and edit the below sample 
letter, edit to your liking and submit a PDF or Word .doc.


Make sure they know who you are and use company letter head. Create
another
for your customers and or have them sign off on a petition and list all
those separately on the letters and ECFS uploaded lists.


Chairman Kevin Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Commissioner Michael Copps - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commissioner 
Jonathan Adelstein - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commissioner Kathleen 
Abernathy - [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Dear Chairman or Commissioner _;

We are an ISP, CLEC, or whatever in City___, State_ and serve 
#'s__ of customers.  Deregulation will harm our business and the 
ability

to provide competitive services to 

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation

2005-08-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well thats not true.  They do it every day.  Life is not fair and life is 
not equal.

Its all about votes and keeping the majority happy.

Even if the ultimate goal was to regul;ate WISPs as well, it could takes 
years to finally have that happen in the courts, if enough resistence was 
put forth to support unequal views that benefited consumers.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc


- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL -WBIA 
ACTIONRecommendation




Charles,

  I think that statement is about the most ridiculous ( hilarious) thing 
I have ever heard you say. I am glad that its in writing! :-)
 If all the WISPs in the country banded together we wouldn't be a 
pimple on the ass of a Telco like the Bells. We are so far from even being 
thought of as a mosquito in a heard of Elephants compared to the ILECs. 
You may scare some folks with that statement, but those of us who have 
been here a while and have a real picture of whats what know better than 
that.

Try Again :-)

--
Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC.
www.inetsouth.com
318-728-8600 - Rayville
318-303-4107 - Monroe, La
318-450-4101 - NOC




Charles Wu wrote:


Here's the issue

If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be ready 
to

ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network
infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote
myself...the government won't support double standards

Good or bad, that's hard to say

-Charles

---
WISPNOG Park City, UT
http://www.wispnog.com
August 15-17, 2005

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA
ACTIONRecommendation


Anyone care to comment on this?  Should we also jump into this?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation





--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: isp-clec@isp-clec.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [isp-clec] FCC  DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation




For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering
Internet
related products and or services, and their customers.


Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate Open 
Access.  What does this mean and what should you do?


While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions for 
access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that this 
does not bode well for the future of our industry.  While the argument 
on the Hill has been that this will create greater competition, any 
first grader who can count apples and oranges will recognize that when 
you take a bunch of them off the table there will be fewer to count and 
compete.  It defies
logic that the Bells have been able to sell this argument, but I suppose 
if

you say it long and loud enough it mysteriously becomes a truth.

First, brace yourself for it is going to be a rough and bumpy ride.
Second,
while it will not change the immediate outcome, it is contingent upon us 
to

mobilize and send a message to the FCC that we are watching and are
organizing our industry, business and consumers in opposition.

As soon as you read this message take a moment to send word to each of
the
FCC Commissioners about your concerns and the consequences to your 
business
and that the ultimate impact of deregulation will be bad for America, 
small
business, consumers and our economy.  It would also be a good idea to 
copy
your congressional representatives office when you send the message. 
You
can find congressional contact information in the WBIA Legislative 
Action

Center at http://capwiz.com/wbia/home/.

For your convenience we have provided the Email address for each of the
FCC
Commissioners and a sample letter which you are welcome to use in 
crafting

your own message. Edit accordingly to give out to your customers.

For posting a letter (not comment) on the FCC Electronic Comment Filing 
System, do one post each of the following dockets: 04-29, 04-416, 04-440 
and 04-405. Copy, paste and edit the below sample letter, edit to your 
liking and submit a PDF or Word .doc.


Make sure they know who