RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

2005-10-11 Thread Paul Hendry
Tom,

You say that connection tracking is on. I advised you to turn this
of (i.e untick all the boxes in the connection tracking sub menu). To give
an example, we have a 28km link with WRAP's/CM9's/5.8GHz at each end. Signal
sits at around -71 (qual 24) and we hard set the rate on both end to 36.
With connection tracking completely turned of we get around 20mbps using the
StarOS built-in speed test.

Have just received some of the 2 port WAR boards with the slower CPU
and have spent the past day testing them. So far I am able to get about the
same throughput as a WRAP when setting the channel bandwidth to 5Mhz
(cloaking x4) and double that when set to 10Mhz (cloaking x2). Haven't
really tested them at normal 20Mhz or 40Mhz (turbo) as we have no intention
of using them at 20 or 40Mhz. I am in the process of setting up a test
environment with Mikrotik routers at each end of a StarVX link so I can run
the various types of bandwidth tests available in RouterOS. The link has
been set with the same signal levels as our 28km link so as to emulate it as
much as we can without having to set-up another 28km link and so far I have
seen 40mbps udp tests from Mikrotik to Mikrotik with 10Mhz bandwidth which
is pretty amazing. I think we could see even more but the 2 Mikrotik boxes
are running with CPU at 100% :( Once we've built some new test boxes I'll
post my results.

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: 10 October 2005 23:59
To: Lonnie Nunweiler; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Oops...

I'm using 5.3G with 19 dbi antenna, estimating 2 db in cable loss, to meet 
legal 30db limit. At a half mile, we calculated it to be -54db, and at 1/4 
mile -48.

However, I was reading the power in station server wrong, I was reading the 
Ack strength instead of Data strength which were about 10 db different.  Any

reason for that? The data signal strength was actually reading about -60 db.

So yes, you are right, for a 1/4 mile there is about an unaccounted for 12 
db loss, unless I don't have the distance right.  I do have set at 1 mile in

driver.

However, low signal doesn't effect speed, my tech has a second radio on it 
now, at -53 db, and still maxes out at 12mbps.  I confirmed that CPU usage 
hits about 95% when testing, and connection tracking is on.  So appears to 
be CPU limited.

Anyone know how much loss to expect out of the PacWireless Rootenna pigtails

(ufl to SMA) and Wisp-router's 6Ghz certified 5 Ufl to N pigtails?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532


300 yards with LOS with a signal of -70 dB?  That sure seems low.  You
either have another system real close or you have severe trouble with
antenna or cabling.  A Superpass 21 dB at that range would give you
-40 dB or better signals, assuming proper cabling.

Did you set the distance to a couple of miles?  I always figure out
the exact number and add 2 or 3 to it.  You can safely be over but to
be under limits throughput severely.

Lonnie



On 10/10/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just installed a link using CM9, Station Server, WRAP board, about 300
 yards away LOS, with only a single client so far on AP to SU mode.  The
 radios associated at 54 mbps, and about -70 db, with a quality of 24/29.
 All speed enhancement features enable, and encryption turned off.

 Using Station server throughput test, testing from AP, the RX was 13.6 
 mbps,
 and the TX was 9.1 mbps.

 I thought that was odd, because I thought the TX would be faster. (AP to 
 SU)

 This supported my estimates that 54 mbps Atheros card's top real 
 throughput
 (for 54 mbps) was about 14 mbps, in a best case scenario.   Then through 
 in
 longer range links, interference, hidden node (or CTS/RTS to cure),
 retransmissions, heavy use links, and before you know real throughput can 
 be
 much less than 10 mbps.  Asumming of course Turbo Mode won't be used to 
 hog
 up channels.

 My tech question is... Is this being limited by the Atheros chipset, or 
 the
 WRAP motherboard? If using the Mikrotik RB532 board with higher processing
 speed, can a single Atheros card transfer at a higher rate?

 For those interested

 My business decission question is:

 1) If Atheros can't go higher than 10 mbps in real world PtMP and...
 2) Trango has fixed its short range packet loss problem (which they have)
 3) Trango has new low pricing on Fox-D2 CPE (dropped $100 or so)
 4) Trango has better testing tools
 5) Trango avoids all the problems of 802.11 standard and home brew that 
 cost
 ISPs aggrevations (accept large packets 1600b, pre-assembles, consistent
 availabilty, security, better remote management, ARQ, etc),

 What reason 

Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

2005-10-11 Thread George

Paul Hendry wrote:
 as we have no intention

of using them at 20 or 40Mhz.


This to me is the beauty of the WAR StarVX platform.

The links I have up now are 10MHz.

With limited spectrum available to us, it's the frugal thing to do.

George
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Re: [WISPA] PTP Link

2005-10-11 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
You could go with the Trango Atlas.  Or I've got some of the Airaya gear.  I 
think it's 5.3 only so you'd probably need slightly bigger antennas for it.


And the new SB nexus gear is coming back with great reports from the field.

I think all of those are Atheros based radios.

that help?

Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PTP Link



About 10M  and pretty reliable.  I am currently looking at the Orthogon
Gemini Lite  but would like something a little lower in price.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PTP Link


how fast do you need it to go?  How reliable does it need to be?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: [WISPA] PTP Link



I am trying to do a 21 mile PtP link and need some equipment.  I so far I
would like to have an Orthogon Gemini Lite  but the price tag is pretty
high.  Is there anything out there that would work as well but be a 
little

more cost effective?   Would someone happen to have some used/refurbish
units that they want to get rid of?   I also have a load of 2.4 equipment
I
could trade/sell if someone was interested in that.

Jory Privett
WCCS


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[WISPA] ISPCON Roll Call

2005-10-11 Thread Martin Stewart
Title: ISPCON Roll Call



Anyone on this list going to ISPCON next week? Looks like the vendor list keeps
growing and I hear attendance is up.

http://www.ispcon.com/Fall2005/

This conference is a great opportunity to catch up on what is new for 
Service Providers and has a special emphasis on wireless technology! Most 
of the top vendors will be there, and it is always a fun, informative 
experience!

I can arrange for free exhibitor hall passes if anyone needs one.

Cheers,

Martin Stewart
Adzilla New Media
Direct: 604.628.4369

Info:

** ISPCON Fall 2005 - Santa Clara, CA www.ispcon.com **
** THE EVENT for ISPs, WISPS, CLECs and WebHosts **




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Re: [WISPA] Industry Canada Committee

2005-10-11 Thread Carl A Jeptha
I have a text file of all the notable comments made for to the FCC by 
you guys and will put together a letter made from the comments.


Life is strange, I almost have contracts with almost all of the 
municipalities in our county and we are gearing up for a major rollout 
of internet in the county. Our MP is/was responsible for Rural Broadband 
Internet Solutions, so maybe it is time I went to bat for Canadian WISPS.


Problem though is that I don't do politics to well, last time I checked 
a spade was still a spade, no matter what your called it. :-P


You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

It's Canadia!  (grin)  There's not much I can do.  Other than try to 
get you guys hooked up with the contact that I've made and hopefully 
help you guys do for Canada what we've been working hard to get the 
FCC to do for the USA.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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- Original Message - From: Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Canada Committee



Yes Marlon, you are sucking me in. ;-)
Let me know what you want to do.

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Hi All,

I've been talking to a gal from Industry Canada.  She's pointed me 
to this as the best site for WISPs to keep up on what they are doing.

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/insmt-gst.nsf/en/home

Anyone here care to head up a sub committee to the FCC committee?  
I'd have to run it past the board but I can't see any problems with 
the idea


If you're interested touch base with me and we'll carry it from 
there. I'd like to see 4 or 5 people involved.


laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own 
wisp!

64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




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[WISPA] Lan sakes this won't work

2005-10-11 Thread Ron Wallace
Guys, Gals, Kids, Allagators,

I'm nearly butt deep in allagators here, down on the farm.  I 
have a bridge feeding Linksys Router from my PtMP system.  
from here it goes like this:

Bridge (sB-ABO) 75' -- Linksys BEFSR41--125' Cat5e---
to Bridge (sB-ABi)feeding Superpatch 8.5 dB Panel-
---128' to window with a Belkin54g Access Point - 15' jumper 
to 3COM Hub --one Gateway w/linksys 100 pci Enet crd.

Now, I can ping the Linksys BEFSR41, I can ping my pc plugged 
into the BEFSR41, I can Access Inet from my PC.  I cannot 
access inet from the Gateway at the other end of goofynet.

What would you do, I must make it run, its my 
partners goofynet.

Really, what's the deal, is the old Belkin just too far away? 
I have 95-100% RSSI on the sB-ABi, 90-95% LQ, seems good to 
me.

Somebody bail me out here.
Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson St.
Addison, MI 49220

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