Re: [WISPA] D.C. Meeting
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14895080 At the end of the thread it talks a little about it. It's the only info I have. Mac Dearman wrote: All right - - someone give us a report on the DC meeting - - how did it go and what do Y'all think? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] INSURANCE
From an Insurance agent I am dealing with for ISPs and CLECs:
Hi Peter:
At this level of premium there is really not much that can be done.
Insurance carriers typically set "minimum pemiums" for certain policies
even where risk of loss is relatively minor. E+O is an example of this.
At $1,250, the coverage is probably very limited and that is the bare
minimun the carreir will accept to take on that risk whether the client
does $10,000 per year or $250,000.
Unfortunately, it's really not worth the effort on either parties part
to try and shave five hundred dollars or 10% from a ~$5,000 overall program.
This is especially true of they are actually looking for real coverage.
It;s like everything else. You really do get what you pay for. These
policies will have so many exclusions that actually getting a claim paid
would be the exception rather than the rule. Plus they are likely
placed with relatively [financially] weak carriers.
My value to your clients would be in the area of making their insurance
budget more efficent in terms of providing better coverage with stronger
carriers. My guess is that clients that are generating revenue of
>$1Mil per annum would be the minimum threshold where I can actually
accomplish some good.
Paul
Original Message
Subject:Re: [WISPA] WISPA and volunteers
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:14:08 -0600
From: Dylan Oliver
I'm interested in group insurance. Been talking to United (through
wispinsurance.com) and could use better rates .. this is what we've
been
offered:
$2,128 general liability & property +
$700 umbrella +
$250 "program administration charges" +
$1,250 professional E&O (optional) +
$250 E&O administration charges (optional) +
$250 Healthy & Safety Manual (maybe optional).
The coverage includes two tower locations with $50k and a premium of
$585.
And what is "Fungi Limited Business Interruption"? In case I eat a
quarter
of mushrooms and trip balls for a month?
Best,
--
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] D.C. Meeting
All right - - someone give us a report on the DC meeting - - how did it go and what do Y'all think? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy
$525 for 3 qty Ron Wallace wrote: Brian what is the price for the Tiltek 120. Original message Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:00:37 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy To: WISPA General List Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking through antennas. This antenna http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 sectors? It costs $525 for 3. With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is the gain. Brian G.Villarini wrote: Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are horizontal...both the ap and sm Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? G.Villarini wrote: Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy
Brian what is the price for the Tiltek 120. Original message >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:00:37 -0500 >From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy >To: WISPA General List > >Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for >900mhz? All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. > > >Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking >through antennas. This antenna >http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf >looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 >sectors? It costs $525 for 3. >With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum >coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as >using 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of >an improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites >with 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated >units cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is >the gain. > >Brian >G.Villarini wrote: > >>Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are >>horizontal...both the ap and sm >> >>Gino A. Villarini, >>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>www.aeronetpr.com >>787.767.7466 >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy >> >>Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also >>means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. >> >>Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? >> >>G.Villarini wrote: >> >> >> >>>Nop, just vertical >>> >>>Gino A. Villarini, >>>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>www.aeronetpr.com >>>787.767.7466 >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher >>>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM >>>To: wireless@wispa.org >>>Subject: [WISPA] canopy >>> >>>is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? >>> >>> >>> >>> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Potential customer looking for service
970 Us Highway 9, Schodack Landing, NY If you can serve this, let me know offlist, and I'll pass you the name and phone #. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Call For Help on G4
Thanks Walter, Original message >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:23:08 EST >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [WISPA] Re: Call For Help on G4 >To: wireless@wispa.org > > Okay-sorry Ron. > > G4 is a satellite/cable network that bought out the old TECH > TV network. They deal mostly with > technology-games/equipment/etc, although they have the > infamous Man Show on at night. > > Call For Help is an original TECH TV show that was on for > years that G4 tried to kill when the took them over. > Reason-it was on at 3pm and originally was geared to teens but > they had a larger adult audience and G4 was stupid. The > Canada version of G4 took Leo and the show on [he has a radio > show and website and books]. Finally after petitions and > emails and campaigns protesting its cancelation, the USA > version of G4 picked up the show [8am EST for me on Dish > Network]. Call For Help solves computer problems of viewers, > talks about new software and hardware, viruses, websites, and > more. I have learned a lot from Leo and crew-and I dont hold > it against him that he likes Apple better than PC-but he > does know both. > > It still is done live from Toronto Canada [used to be San > Francisco and I believe near Leo's home in one of the > Carolina's. > > Call For Help is on Dish Network here in EST at 8am > Monday-Friday, plus another time later in the day for the west > coast. > > Walter > > > > > In a message dated 11/30/2005 6:00:53 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Walter, > I know this is parochial, but WHAT SHOW, WHERE, WHEN? Is it > G4 TV? > I've never heard of it. So I'm igornant. > > Ron Wallace > > Original message > >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:03:42 EST > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [WISPA] G4 TV's Call For Help > >To: wireless@wispa.org > > > > This is a great show but today Leo made an error and I > think > > someone from WISPA should contact them and tell them > about > > WISP's. > > > > There was a caller today from Canada who was moving to > where > > there was no DSL or Cable, and asked about Satellite > ISP. Leo > > talked about that and then mentioned new options WiMax > and > > BPL. At no time did he mention WISP. I did email > Amanda [his > > assistant] and the show about WISP and gave them the > > www.wispa.org address, but also thought one of our > leaders > > could contact them and update them on what we are. > > > > > > Walter W. Stumpf Jr. > > Xanadu Group Inc. > > Cognigen Founders' Club member > > 179 Statesville Quarry Road > > Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA > > 973-702-3899 > > fax 775-667-1995 > > WISPA member > > http://ld.net/?wstumpf > > > >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Hard Drive Failure
You can also boot into INSERT,KNOPPIX or XP Live and run a chkdsk /r with out taking the drive out. That is, if there isn't any physical damage to the platters, head, etc... -Richard M. I've used this exact one and recovered all useful data from several friend's failing laptop drives...and, wow, if you want to be someone's friend for life just have one of these $6 baby wonders handy. An NTFS disk repair is often helpful if you can't get good data: do it under MY COMPUER and right click on the drive, properties, tools, error checking...or, run CHKDSK from the command box with the fix option. Not sure about Mozilla in POP3 mode. I only know the IMAP configuration where the messages are on the server. However, you might try some path that looks like this: C:\Documents and Settings\yourusername\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\042nmj9j.slt\Mail\Local Folders Be careful, the path string may be too long for a DOS program to handle on yourparticular disk. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:14 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] OT Hard Drive Failurehttp://www.pcconnection.com/Search.asp?Term=laptop+to+ide+hard+drive+adapter&Offset=0&DefSort=Y&om=searchThis is the one I got. The buy it now from ebay could not be overnighted so I got this one. The ebay one is on the way. If you want the ebay one, let me know. When it comes in I can sell it. I don't want 2 of them.Mario Pommier wrote: con you post the ebay link or the adapter name?MBrian Rohrbacher wrote: I got the adapter off ebay. I plugged it into the desktop and I HAVE ACCESS! I was able to get my important stuff (quickbooks, IP and mac list, company info and oictures) I am working on mozilla right now. I can find wehre the emails would be stored at? I had thousands of them in folders and what not. Anyone know where mozilla stores emails at? Reliable Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT Hard Drive Failure These are the guys I might send it to. After my software scan I will decide. After talking with them they sound ok. Reliable Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT Hard Drive Failure Note on Gillwares website about their one exception to a no-charge for data recovery. Broken Warranty Seals If the warranty seals are broken, we cannot offer the no recovery no fee deal. Because previously-serviced drives without intact warranty seals usually require significantly more time for us to diagnose and repair, we require a $150 upfront surcharge for servicing these drives. This surcharge is non-refundable. In addition, the base fee for servicing a drive without intact warranty seals is an extra $500 for a total of $1028.99 for Windows based drives when we're successful. If the platters have been visibly damaged during your attempt you should save your money and not send it. If it was a multi-platter drive and you attempted to remove the platters you should save your money and not send it. Frank Muto President/Ceo FSM Marketing Group, Inc Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] OT Hard Drive Failure I have the adapter on the way. I will plug it into my desktop once and run a software recover utility once to see what happens. After this, I will send it off to a cleanroom. If a drive needs cleanroom work... www.mjtdata.com says to send it to www.gillware.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet based authentication
I thought that these switches would deny the Source MAC Address instead of disabling the entire port. -Richard M. A little more info would be good. If they want to authenticate everyone, then 802.1x switches are available-if you don't authenticate, your port turns off. If they just want to limit Internet access, Websense or St. Bernard make products to do that. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet based authentication
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: doing anything. HotSpot and PPPoE require that you have a radius server. Not necessarily. Some implementations, this is true, but not all. (FWIW, the radius server DOES make management easier.) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet based authentication
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, John Scrivner wrote: complete report on the incident and a plan for how I will prevent people from doing this in the future at all locations. I am thinking we can use PPPoE to force all users even on the hardwired network to authenticate in order to get on the Internet. What are your thoughts? What will this break on an internal network that may You may want to look at hotspot as a solution, too. The main advantage here is that it can be made fairly easy (depending on the hotspot controller) for them to manage. PPPoE is a good solution, but in some cases, requires them to change settings on the local machine (or worse...install a client) in order to access the internet. If the network behind the hotspot is flat, the hotspot will not break anything (nor will PPPoE). -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [Unlicensed_advocates] Will CALEA kill CWNs and WISPs?
Interesting article. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Harold Feld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Unlicensed Advocates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: [Unlicensed_advocates] Will CALEA kill CWNs and WISPs? http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/380 ___ Unlicensed_advocates mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kumr.lns.com/mailman/listinfo/unlicensed_advocates -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy interference
Mario, Don't tell me you are thinking of buying Canopy. Don't make me come up there... :-) -B- Mario Pommier wrote: Does someone know what these claims mean? Saw them in a Canopy presentation: –Canopy was optimized to ignore external interference. –Every radio is factory tested to meet throughput at 3db C/I (channel interference?) –Canopy nominal C/I performance is ~2 dB. –Competitions’ C/I requirements are 8db – 25 db. Thanks. Mario * * -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy interference
I thought Motorola amended those interference claims long ago (or should have). Why? 1. Canopy nominal C/I performance (2 to 3 dB) is only achieved at very strong signal. Anywhere any distance (meaning signal not that far above sensitivity) Canopy's C/I isn't much different than any competitors equipment. This was discovered shortly after Canopy first shipped, so any manufacturer provided presentations should clearly have been updated by now. 2. Canopy nominal C/I performance (2 to 3 dB) is only for the slow speed (10mbps). Canopy's higher speed requires much more C/I margin. When you list competitors requiring C/I of 8 to 25 dB the higher figure (25dB) applies to competitors that signal at higher speeds, so the speed note is worthy. Again, the higher speed Canopy option has been supported for several years, so the presentations should certainly have been updated. As far as what the claims mean, that's easy. C/I expresses how much signal advantage the device needs above surrounding signals (meaning competitors). The device with a higher C/I needs more signal advantage relative to competitors than the device with the lower C/I. If you've got signals in the air (use your spectrum analyzer mode to see if you're curious) then you definitely want a device with a low C/I. Problem is, Canopy's low C/I claim is known to be less advantage than what you cited as having picked up from that presentation. Rich - Original Message - From: Mario Pommier To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] canopy interference Does someone know what these claims mean?Saw them in a Canopy presentation: Canopy was optimized to ignore external interference. Every radio is factory tested to meet throughput at 3db C/I (channel interference?) Canopy nominal C/I performance is ~2 dB. Competitions C/I requirements are 8db 25 db.Thanks.Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] canopy interference
Does someone know what these claims mean? Saw them in a Canopy presentation: –Canopy was optimized to ignore external interference. –Every radio is factory tested to meet throughput at 3db C/I (channel interference?) –Canopy nominal C/I performance is ~2 dB. –Competitions’ C/I requirements are 8db – 25 db. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Fwd: [WISPA] marketing
Tony, Thanks for your message. Very helpful! I guessed that my ILEC (Verizon) would have the list of leased lines, but also that they'd be the most reluctant. Getting on the radio might not be too hard since we're replacing leased lines for a large broadcaster. The question once that equipment is up is: who else can we hit? Seems like we (which is mostly me at this point) will get further a lot faster by concentrating on a few high-profit customers rather than myriad low-profit subscribers. And I know cold-calling is the way, but I would really like to get all these addresses into a RF-GIS system so I know who's around first. Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] canopy
All Motorola Canopy 900 mhz integrated units are Horizontal... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy >the integrated 900 units are horizontal Someone confirm this. I was under the impression all Canopy 900 integrated units were verticle also, and NOT hortizontal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy > Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? > All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. > > > Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking > through antennas. This antenna > http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf > looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 > sectors? It costs $525 for 3. > With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum > coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using > 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an > improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with > 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units > cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is the > gain. > > Brian > G.Villarini wrote: > >>Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are >>horizontal...both the ap and sm >> >>Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>www.aeronetpr.com >>787.767.7466 >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy >> >>Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also >>means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. >> >>Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? >> >>G.Villarini wrote: >> >> >>>Nop, just vertical >>> >>>Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>www.aeronetpr.com >>>787.767.7466 >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher >>>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM >>>To: wireless@wispa.org >>>Subject: [WISPA] canopy >>> >>>is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? >>> >>> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: > 11/30/2005 > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy
the integrated 900 units are horizontal Someone confirm this. I was under the impression all Canopy 900 integrated units were verticle also, and NOT hortizontal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking through antennas. This antenna http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 sectors? It costs $525 for 3. With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is the gain. Brian G.Villarini wrote: Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are horizontal...both the ap and sm Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? G.Villarini wrote: Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet based authentication
John, The concern for PPPOE is wether client sessions will re-establish automatically after disconnects of the link. For example, if a Pre-n BElkin router is used for a end user link, and I did connect there service, for example by rebooting a trango AP at the cell site or from significant packet loss causing the link to degrade for too long a period, the Belkin will NOT try to re-establish the PPPOE connection unitl the Belkin router is physycally rebooted. This was a problem for us, because it generated support calls to get users backup after a reboot of our APs, and oftenm customers would experience much longer outages before they realized they jsut needed to reboot their own in house Belkin router. We also ran into this with several Netgear router models. What you want is a router that tries to login automatically continuously if it losses connection. Our linksys routers work great, and auto-reconnect with no problems. So PPPOE had created an issue where we had to dictate what equipment an end user could use on our network, if we set them up as PPPOE. PPPOE is a tunnel client to server protocol so both a server and client need to be aware of wether a session is connected or disconnected, and can be disconnected from either side. This timeout for disconnect can be set on the server side. For example, if you set a disconnect time of 5 second at the server, if there is some packet loss, the server might terminate a session prematurely waiting for communication that it never receives from teh CPE at that time, and then the client router does not know that the connection is terminated and doesn't know to try to re-stablish a connection because it does not know its down, or atleast not for a period of time. So you don't want the timeout at the server to be to small. Now if you make the time out large, let say1 minute. IF their is packet loss, and the client thinks the connection has been terminated because its inability to get o the server for a short period, it will disconnect and try to re-establish a connection, however it wil not be able to for 1 minute. This is because the server things the original session is still active and will not clear the original session to allow the next session to reconnect, and two session are not allowed at the same time. This can cause outages longer than normal, where a 5 second outage turns into a 1 minutes outage. Not a big deal for residential, but for business where the links may be monitored by third parties, it can be an added pain in the neck. The problem can be solved by allow multiple connection of a PPPOE login, but then there is a security issue where two people can connect at the same time with the same password. These problems are not a big deal to deal with, you just need to be aware of them, for designing your PPPOE system. When PPPOE is established, you can not access the client via an Arpping, because the protocol does not support that. I forget the exact technical explanation, but its sometthing like it does support broadcasts because its not using tcpip at that point its using its own protocol at layer two for communication. So to tell if a client is up, you do it by monitoring the session logs at the server. We do the PPPOE server apps at the first hop. We do the authentication at the cell router with our own implementation that integrates to our router provisioning system, but most people have it relay to a remote authentication system centrally such as a radius server. PPPOE now means every client needs either a PPPOE router or software load ed that supprots PPPOE. Many represent that XP's built in PPPOE support works well, but we don't use it yet. PPPOE does reduce the packet size, so it is no longer a full 1500 bytes. So end users sometimes need to configurare their VPN software if using one, to adjust for that situation, and added headache. However, most VPNs we tested pass through PPPOE OK. PPPOE also does have significant overhead. You could limit the total number of connections you can support, because of the badnwdith that is wasted for the tunneling protool. However I do not remember what that limit is, we have not hit it yet. But that is why we operate the PPPOE server at the first hop, to reduce the PPPOE server traffic/over head accross the network, it also makes it more reliable for session management. The more links, and packet loss possible end to end increases the change of session disconnects. The fact that many hops may be needed to get to the authenticatioion system (radious) really doesn't matter because its not part of the client server session end to end. We have chosen not to use PPPOE because of these issues, exept for some residential customers that are required to use Linksys routers. However, I'm aware of some ISPs that have successfully used PPPOE as a protocol for EVERY customer as a requirement. They generally do it to ease their manage
