RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Because youre a top bloke ;) I've been trying to track down some narrow bandwidth 5.8GHz band pass filters for some time. Any ideas on where to get some? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: 18 January 2006 09:52 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna A tightly notched cavity filter (but then, you lose system flexibility in other ways) Jeez, why am I still awake (and why am I responding to listserv emails at this hour?) -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] contact info for Patrick Leary
What's your number Brian? (Thanks Marlon) Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 *Vonage: 650.641.1243 * Goes directly to v-mail and immediately e-mails me with a number and wave file. -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Patrick Leary Subject: Re: [WISPA] contact info for Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] contact info for Patrick Leary Anyone have Patrick's contact info. I need to talk with him ASAP. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Paul, You may have a bad feed horn or you may have a bad radio. I would consider both before jumping off a bridge here.. Tell Radiowaves about your issue and see if you can send the feedhorns back for testing. They come right out and may be a quick test to see whats up. -B- Paul Hendry wrote: Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: Call your Senators: Stop SB245
Charles Wu wrote: Just a thought here Is more or less regulation on facilities based providers a good or bad thing for WISPs (who are also facilities based providers) Keep in mind, supporting regulation for SBC / Comcast / whoever sets the precedent for regulation of our internal networks Lets think of one possible scenario It's 2016 and now WISPs have taken over (killed off SBC / Comcast) -- guys like Scriv and Harnish and DeReggi have hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of customers each, and WISPA is some national force that has huge influence on capital hill...now...what happens of a regulatory act gets passed forcing WISPs to wholesale their networks to SBC / Comcast below their cost just a thought -Charles That's an easy one. I divide my company into 25 divisions. When it comes time to do a provision for them I miss the first 7 appointments. On the 8th appointment we show up but tell them we don't have the right equipment and need to come back. Then in 6 weeks when we come back we do the install only to find out that someone didn't do any provisioning on the back end. We tell them we need to tell the networking dept to look at it. Networking refers it to a field tech who tells customer service to schedule an appoint but that doesn't happen because there is a language barrier between my field service agent and my outsourced customer service vendor on the other side of the world. They call back and we regenerate the request. Then we just put that request in a pile with the other When we get around to it requests. When they call back again we play dumb and tell them we need to send someone out to their customer's location to check it out. Obviously we miss that appointment and as many more as we can before someone gets totally pissed and complains to the authorities or they stop calling. If they complain we finally do the install within the final alloted time by the regulatory agency and turn the customer on. Of course once they are on they will experience network induced outages as well as intermittant e-mail services (that's what happens when you turn port blocking on and off). On days where the e-mail port is turned on, we will throttle the bandwidth back to 40k . And when there are outages, we will take 6-10 days to fix them! Just like Verizon and the others! I'd LOVE to be just like them! :-D -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Fw: OFDM-Based Broadband Wireless Networks: Design and Optimization
For those interested in this report. If you find out how much it is let me know. I may want to buy a copy too. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Amy Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: OFDM-Based Broadband Wireless Networks: Design and Optimization I enclose details of our latest report on OFDM-Based Broadband Wireless Networks. This title will cover the latest technological advances in digital broadcasting, wireless LAN, and mobile networks to achieve high spectral efficiency , and to meet peak requirements for multimedia traffic.? Emphasis will be placed on the OFDM modem, air-interface, medium access-control (MAC), radio link protocols, and radio network planning.? For a complete index of this report click on http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/c30998 Report Index: 1. Introduction. 1.1 OFDM-based wireless network overview. 1.1.1 Digital broadcasting and DVB-T. 1.1.2 Wireless LAN and IEEE 802.11. 1.1.3 WiMAX and IEEE 802.16. 1.2 The need for cross-layer design. 1.3 Organization of this text. 2. OFDM Fundamentals. 2.1 Broadband radio channel characteristics. 2.1.1 Envelope fading. 2.1.2 Time dispersive channel. 2.1.3 Frequency dispersive channel. 2.1.4 Statistical characteristics of broadband channels. 2.2 Canonical form of broadband transmission. 2.3 OFDM realization. 2.4 Summary. 3. PHY Layer Issues - System Imperfections. 3.1 Frequency synchronization. 3.1.1 OFDM carrier offset data mode. 3.1.2 Pilot-based estimation. 3.1.3 Non-pilot based estimation. 3.2 Channel estimation. 3.2.1 Pilots for 2D OFDM channel estimation 3.2.2 2DMMSE channel estimation. 3.2.3 Reduced complexity channel estimation. 3.3 I/Q imbalance compensation. 3.3.1 I/Q Imbalance Model. 3.3.2 Digital compensation receiver. 3.3.3 Frequency offset estimation with I/Q imbalance. 3.4 Phase noise compensation. 3.4.1 Mathematical models for phase noise. 3.4.2 CPE estimation with channel state information. 3.4.3 Time domain channel estimation in the presence of CPE. 3.4.4 CPE estimation without explicit CSI. 3.5 Summary. 4. PHY Layer Issues - Spatial Processing. 4.1 Antenna array fundamentals. 4.2 Beam forming. 4.2.1 Coherent combining. 4.2.2 Zero-forcing. 4.2.3 MMSE reception (optimum linear receiver). 4.2.4 SDMA. 4.2.5 Broadband beam forming. 4.3 MIMO channels and capacity. 4.4 Space-time coding. 4.4.1 Spatial multiplexing. 4.4.2 Orthogonal space-time block coding. 4.4.3 Concatenated ST transmitter. 4.4.4 Beam forming with ST coding. 4.4.5 ST beam forming in OFDM. 4.5 Wide-area MIMO beam forming. 4.5.1 Data model. 4.5.2 Uncoded OFDM design criterion. 4.5.3 Coded OFDM design criterion. 4.6 Summary. 4.7 Appendix I: Derivation of Pe. 4.8 Appendix II: Proof of Proposition 5. 4.9 Appendix III: Proof of Proposition 6. 5. Multiple Access Control Protocols. 5.1 Introduction. 5.2 Basic MAC protocols. 5.2.1 Contention based protocols. 5.2.2 Non-contention based MAC protocols. 5.3 OFDMA advantages. 5.4 Multiuser diversity. 5.5 OFDMA optimality. 5.5.1 Multiuser multicarrier SISO systems. 5.5.2 Multiuser multicarrierMIMO systems. 5.6 Summary. 5.7 Appendix I: Cn(p) is a convex function in OFDMA/SISO case. 5.8 Appendix II: C(p) is a convex function in OFDMA/MIMO case. 6. OFDMA Design Considerations. 6.1 Cross layer design introduction. 6.2 Mobility-dependent OFDMA traffic channels. 6.2.1 OFDMA traffic channel. 6.2.2 System model. 6.2.3 Channel configuration for fixed/portable applications. 6.2.4 Channel configuration for mobile application. 6.3 IEEE 802.16e traffic channels. 6.4 Summary. 7. Frequency Planning in Multi-cell Networks. 7.1 Introduction. 7.1.1 Fixed channel allocation. 7.1.2 Dynamic channel allocation. 7.2 OFDMA DCA. 7.2.1 Protocol design. 7.2.2 Problem formulation for the RNC. 7.2.3 Problem formulation for BSs. 7.2.4 Fast algorithm for the RNC. 7.2.5 Fast algorithm for BSs. 7.3 Spectrum efficiency under different cell/sector configurations. 7.3.1 System configuration and signaling overhead. 7.3.2 Channel loading gains. 7.4 Summary. 8. Appendix. 8.1 IEEE 802.11 and WiFi. 8.1.1 802.11 overview. 8.1.2 802.11 network architecture. 8.1.3 The MAC layer technologies. 8.1.4 The physical layer technologies. 8.2 IEEE 802.16e and Mobile WiMAX. 8.2.1 Overview. 8.2.2 The physical layer technologies. 8.2.3 The MAC layer technologies. 8.3 Performance analysis of WiMAX systems. 8.3.1 WiMAX OFDMA-TDD. 8.3.2 Comparison Method. Report Pricing: Hard Copy EUR 73 ORDERING - FOUR EASY WAYS TO PLACE YOUR ORDER: Order online: To order this report please click on http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/c30998 Order via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Order via
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Not so sure it's that simple. I have 2 separate setups that I'm seeing this problem with so I doubt it's 4 feed horns or radios gone bad at the same time. We're in the UK and unfortunately the RadioWaves support isn't quite as good here as it obviously is over there but I'll give em a go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 13:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Paul, You may have a bad feed horn or you may have a bad radio. I would consider both before jumping off a bridge here.. Tell Radiowaves about your issue and see if you can send the feedhorns back for testing. They come right out and may be a quick test to see whats up. -B- Paul Hendry wrote: Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [TVWHITESPACE] NEI petition Docket 05-345
Hi All, I suggest that WISPA support this proposal. Naturally only those who are members will count when it comes time to decide to support this or not, but I think ideas and comments from everyone would be welcome and a good idea. In a nut shell, you all know we've already been working hard to get the TV white spaces (unused spectrum between TV channels) opened up as unlicensed. The Nuclear power industry has already been using those bands in some places for in plant communications devices. Now they want to lock everyone else out for the next 5 years. This proposal calls that a bad idea. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Harold Feld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [TVWHITESPACE] NEI petition Docket 05-345 I have attached the comments filed on behalf of NAF, CUWN, and Free Press. If you are so moved, please file supporting replies. Harold Coments 1-17-06 final.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Are you using advanced sm's too? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date:
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Nop, just regular sm's Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Are you using advanced sm's too? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
RE: [WISPA] FWD New low cost options from Motorola
Title: New low cost options from Motorola How many CPE can be supported per single base station? Ive heard some pretty chilling reports from someone that had themin production. He may not have known what to do with them however. chris Subject: [WISPA] FWD New low cost options from Motorola Thoughts on this? I sure think I could hook up subs all day long for the price of these 900 CPEs. 512 is plenty for us folks out in the sticks. Sure is better than the 14-20k dialup most people get. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Mmmm they sold the company to Motorola? ...ducking... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available SAN DIEGO, CA January 18, 2006 - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head against cable and DSL providers with the high performance Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps. We truly believe that the introduction of the Atlas Fox wireless modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods, said Zdravko Divjak, CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. This product is eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast to coast. Theres nothing lite about the Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU, said Todd Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband Wireless. This product offers the industrys highest performance and at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service providers who have Beta-tested the Atlas Fox are raving about the price to performance ratio. To provide real 10 Mbps to their subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our competitors, added Mr. Easterling. Over the past few months we have clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling the entire product development and sales processfrom engineering specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for the U.S. market. And most importantly, were passing on many of these benefits to our customers. Trangos Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next generation internet services known as the triple play (voice, video and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking orders for the Atlas Fox now. Shipments begin February 7 th, 2006. Larry A Weidig wrote: Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
lol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
I did with the Atlas PTP Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Never used Trango before but is that 10mbps full-duplex using both polarizations of the antennas? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 19:33 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! I did with the Atlas PTP Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I would also like to see more details. If it is anything like a multi-point version of their existing Atlas then it could be an interesting product. Having a connectorized 5.8Ghz multi-point AP at the Trango price point is certainly needed in the market. I only hope they drop the shitty RP-SMA connector in favor of something more robust like N. -Matt G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more??? Mac Dearman wrote: Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point who would by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more??? Mac Dearman wrote: Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Well - I cant comment on the 900 either, but I know that their are some changes in the works there as well. That release didnt tell you all of it, but by summer you will be able to upgrade the Atlas fox units (and APs) to do OFDM! WOW MOM!!! (free too) Look out Motorpoota - - I see a big Dozer rolling your direction with those cheap a$$ 512k CPE! Shame on them for cutting our through put!! I bet that new Canopy gear gets a FREE upgrade pretty quick now - whatcha think? - - hehehehehehehehehe I knew I liked Trango - - - - Sweet( Dodge commercial style) still - giggling Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 Brian Rohrbacher wrote: still waiting for 900. G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Polarities only get used individually, one or the other, software selectable on the fly. Trango radios are all Half Duplex on the RF. Ethernet ports (wired) are Full Duplex. (Note: Full duplex Ethernet Wired port does make a big difference in performance when getting flooded with small packets.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Never used Trango before but is that 10mbps full-duplex using both polarizations of the antennas? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 19:33 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! I did with the Atlas PTP Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The beauty is one CPE radio that will talk to both the 5830AP and OFDM Atlas PTMP AP. Atlas AP, wont be till next quarter, from what I understand. The new 900SU, also inexpensive, is shipping Beta this week, so its just around the corner. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! still waiting for 900.G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I agree. Can't see putting an N connector on the side of a Fox sized unit. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: drop the shitty RP-SMA connector in favor of something more robust like N. Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. Tom DeReggi -Matt G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Mac, Did I miss something? Todd has been at Trango for less than a year. Z is the top man. Z is who made this happen, starting 5 years ago with a product called Sunstream. :) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Why (slamming head on desk) would you continue with Motorola when them dirty suckers are against you at every turn? They come out (Motorpoota) with a new CPE, lower priced but cut your through put (and throat) to almost nothing just to bait you into paying for an upgrade at a later date. Who in their right minds would buy a CPE that had its nuts cut out to a 512k connection? Get real - Trango is our buddy in that they have stepped up and brought us affordability, ability (triple play) and they arent lined up in D.C. trying to reclaim spectrum to put under license!! Not only that, but Motorpoota has lobbyist that are on payroll and in DC everyday! I think WISPA needs to have a plaque made up and sent right to the top man with the brass Kahonnies (Todd) at Trango exclaiming our approval, thanks and support :-) for enabling us to deliver what we deliver at a price that is affordable associated with a name as good as Trango. You know these guys put a lot of effort into this product with US in mind! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 Brian Farstad wrote: I sure hope Motorola follows suit Brian Farstad Extend America 1101 E Front Ave Bismarck ND 58501 http://www.extendamerica.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point who would by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more??? Mac Dearman wrote: Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. There are other connectors more robust than RP-SMA; it doesn't have to be N. RP-SMA is just too small to use with decent coax. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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That's almost enough to interest me. does anyone know if these support an external antenna? That reflector is super-ugly, and without it, they don't go far enough for me. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
That information is on Trango's website... The 900 system's been talked about quite a bit... I don't think anyone's revealing anything. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Tom,Do you really feel it's appropriate to be announcing on a list-serv about upcoming beta products? How many emails / phone calls do you think that generates for Trango on a product that isn't even shipping yet? TravisMicroservTom DeReggi wrote: The beauty is one CPE radio that will talk to both the 5830AP and OFDM Atlas PTMP AP. Atlas AP, wont be till next quarter, from what I understand. The new 900SU, also inexpensive, is shipping Beta this week, so its just around the corner. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! still waiting for 900.G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Not the $150 CPE the 900mhz beta product, etc. Some of us have known about the new 900mhz CPE for 6 months... but were asked to not share the information with the public. ;) Travis Kurt Fankhauser wrote: What are you talking about they have it posted all over their website $150CPE in 30 packs comes up on the front page. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Tom, Do you really feel it's appropriate to be announcing on a list-serv about upcoming beta products? How many emails / phone calls do you think that generates for Trango on a product that isn't even shipping yet? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: The beauty is one CPE radio that will talk to both the 5830AP and OFDM Atlas PTMP AP. Atlas AP, wont be till next quarter, from what I understand. The new 900SU, also inexpensive, is shipping Beta this week, so its just around the corner. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! still waiting for 900. G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Yeah, well, Waverider's been stringing us along for a while with promises of "superfantasticamazingthroughputdistancepowerreliabilityandperformance" too. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Not the $150 CPE the 900mhz beta product, etc.Some of us have known about the new 900mhz CPE for 6 months... but were asked to not share the information with the public. ;)TravisKurt Fankhauser wrote: What are you talking about they have it posted all over their website $150CPE in 30 packs comes up on the front page. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Tom,Do you really feel it's appropriate to be announcing on a list-serv about upcoming beta products? How many emails / phone calls do you think that generates for Trango on a product that isn't even shipping yet? TravisMicroservTom DeReggi wrote: The beauty is one CPE radio that will talk to both the 5830AP and OFDM Atlas PTMP AP. Atlas AP, wont be till next quarter, from what I understand. The new 900SU, also inexpensive, is shipping Beta this week, so its just around the corner. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! still waiting for 900.G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ?To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ?Got to love atheros chips.Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.aeronetpr.com787.273.4143-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Larry A WeidigSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Paul HendrySent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92signal in a NLOS environment?-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01To: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smileall over!Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long andwide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!!giggling like a little girlMac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600318.303.4227318.303.4229--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--!--[endif] Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338"Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
I think Travis was referring to the new900 product and Atlas AP, which time tables have not been publically released. He'sright, I should keep my mouth shut until Trango releases info first on their time table. Sorry, Trango. Itsjust hard tokeep quiet about good news. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! What are you talking about they have it posted all over their website $150CPE in 30 packs comes up on the front page. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Tom,Do you really feel it's appropriate to be announcing on a list-serv about upcoming beta products? How many emails / phone calls do you think that generates for Trango on a product that isn't even shipping yet? TravisMicroservTom DeReggi wrote: The beauty is one CPE radio that will talk to both the 5830AP and OFDM Atlas PTMP AP. Atlas AP, wont be till next quarter, from what I understand. The new 900SU, also inexpensive, is shipping Beta this week, so its just around the corner. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! still waiting for 900.G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ?To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ?Got to love atheros chips.Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.aeronetpr.com787.273.4143-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Larry A WeidigSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Paul HendrySent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92signal in a NLOS environment?-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01To: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smileall over!Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long andwide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!!giggling like a little girlMac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600318.303.4227318.303.4229--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338"Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
The Reflector is one negative trait regarding Trango. When the Internal short range, and external long range foxes were two different unit, it was disappointing that the Fox only had a reflector option compared to the 5830ext. However, my opinion on that has all changed now that its just one radio for short or long range, just a factor of sliding it into the reflector. There is a big cash flow advantage to having to jsut stock one radio instead of two. You pre-configure the radio, go onsite, try internal version first, if can't pull off the link, you add the reflector dish, no reconfiguarion needed, and off you go. This is a BIG time saver, compared to having to go onsite with two radios every install. Sure we can do site paths (distance) up front, but you can't predict noise floors. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! That's almost enough to interest me. does anyone know if these support an external antenna? That reflector is super-ugly, and without it, they don't go far enough for me. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150. This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000? Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :) Then there is the 900mhz product the lifesaver if there ever was one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :) And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150. This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000? Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yep. 900 is what I need. 5.8.ya right. 2.4sometimes. 900...hits the spot. Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :) Then there is the 900mhz product the lifesaver if there ever was one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :) And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150. This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000? Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yeah, I wondered why. Now I know. No way could they support a distributor model at these prices... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Damn...If I didn't know any better there were several people bitching about Trango cutting out their distributors and going direct. I think I remember people saying That's it...I'll never buy from them again. Now they have $149 CPE. Hm.Should be interesting to see what happens now :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at every install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we can monitor (with ping) to check their connection. Travis Microserv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200 CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?" Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having problems. THE GOOD stuff!!! I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise avoidance though when compared to T900. My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the condensation issue on the INT units. I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to come from them. I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of choices. Sorry for the rambling Chadd. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Before I came to the WISP world, I had 13 years as a technician that had customer contact and often did technical support over the phone. I often was the guy across the counter when the customer was happy...and when he was not. I never cease to be amazed at stories of businesses with people on the phone who have bad attitudes, who blame the customer, etc, etc. I've learned the customer is always right, at least in his own mind. And you can tell him he's wrong, but you have to use some tact and courtesy when you do. And you absolutely MUST be right, if you do. After I left, a crisis in the business I worked for caused management to break some of those rules, and that caused a serious downward trend. I've found you can charge the guy twice as much as he thought he should pay, if you things right and fix the problem right,and you can make an honest explanation. I've also discovered that goes hand in hand with surprising him with NO bill when it's your fault and he thinks its his. I know, I'm a bit old fashioned, in that I think that relationships make or break you in the business world. Lots of people will say that people are fickle and will jump to save 10 bucks. Maybe WISP's share these traits. Some will jump to save 10 bucks. Others are loyal to a fault. If anyone, ANYWHERE who represents a vendor is on these lists and reads this... and your company culture represents the faults described below... I can't imagine how you expect to stay in business. I've used and still in the market to use Equinox antennas, even though some had terrible faults. Why? Because they have honestly tried to resolve issues with me. They've gone above and beyond to fix things. Do I see comments from Pacwireless about improving thier 29 db 5 ghz grids? Nope. But Equinox has kept me informed and in the loop. Honestly, that's a lot to say about a company.Nobody makes perfect stuff... But if they do thier honest best to make things right, it goes a long ways toward keeping customers happy. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3 you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are people on this list for every different system you just described, not sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik, and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. I am looking for some feedback on the following equipment and would like to chat a bit with anyone willing to share your experience with it. Mikrotik based AP/Clients/BH any band StarOS based AP/Clients/BH any band Demarctech AP/Clients/BH any band Motorola Canopy any band Trango 2.4 Waverider 900 Or any similar products besides Tranzeo and Smartbridges. Thanks, Chadd -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
