Re: [WISPA] Blocking ripe network ip space?

2006-03-08 Thread Butch Evans

On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Eric Merkel wrote:

Is there a place to get a list of currently allocated IP space by 
country? I am considering doing something similar but will probably 
not do an all out block but maybe do some connection rate limiting 
of IP space from those countries.


http://www.okean.com/thegoods.html is a good start.  Includes Korea 
and China netblocks.


http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=ripe will show you all of RIPE 
netblocks.  I am sure there is a way to gather all of APNIC 
(asia-pacific), but not sure how do get that informaion.


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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Rick Smith


uhh, Rick, I don't think you've got it right here...

There's large interest from other WISPs on adding revenue streams, 
whether it means VOIP, IPTV, Gaming Servers OR porn servers...


As Alex didn't go into the graphic details, and just the $$$ aspects, 
how would this not be proper...  I am seeing the fact that if he went 
into graphic detail, we'd all be very offended, but he didn't...I 
thought he was quite tasteful about it.


Rick Harnish wrote:


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for discussion on the
Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,  


Rick Harnish
President
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Founding Member of WISPA 
-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would 
be okay to deploy on the network.


They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
additional fees for high load times.


When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they aren't 
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.


Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of 
liability exists..


It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says 
they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.


Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are 
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line. I 
don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  - 
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.


Any experience with this?

 


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RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread chris cooper
Ditto.

Chris cooper
Intelliwave

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*


uhh, Rick, I don't think you've got it right here...

There's large interest from other WISPs on adding revenue streams, 
whether it means VOIP, IPTV, Gaming Servers OR porn servers...

As Alex didn't go into the graphic details, and just the $$$ aspects, 
how would this not be proper...  I am seeing the fact that if he went 
into graphic detail, we'd all be very offended, but he didn't...I 
thought he was quite tasteful about it.

Rick Harnish wrote:

Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for discussion on
the
Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,  
 
Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would 
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they
aren't 
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of 
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are 
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line.
I 
don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  - 
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

  

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Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace

Rick does a great job for us all, I'm sure better minds than mine could find an alternative to discussing on the general list. 

If my response to closing the thread was over zealous, I apologize to Rick and the list.

Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 11:30 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

To All,

I took over the moderation of the wireless@wispa.org list about a year and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 

This position is not a fun one, I need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. Alex?s post with the title, ?New Revenue Stream? was one of the newest messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn?t in the best mood when I read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I was in error. Possibly.

I have received a few complaints about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in error, feel free to contact me offlist. 


Respectfully,


Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla Revenue Streams

2006-03-08 Thread Frank Muto
Personally, having a 10k tier is leaving money on the table. Having been a 
former dialup ISP (97-2002), we used ad based portal(s) revenue to subsidize 
our free-based users as well as our paid subscriber base. You can earn 
revenues from local based advertisers' by taking some time in doing so. 
There are numerous programs to choose from that any ISP can get direct 
revenues from without sharing. But if you do not have the resources to do it 
on your own, then this solution would be a good opportunity to look into.




Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc







- Original Message - 
From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]




How does the 10K include value of eyeballs viewing at hot spots?  Those
are not captive customers but I would think they represent a tremendous
value to advertisers, especially at high volume locations.  Can content
also be tailored to specific demographics, say housewives, retirees or
highschool students?

Chris
Intelliwave

-Original Message-



Currently its 10K subs since it is a rev share/subsidy model - dial-up,
DSL, wireless.  A high volume of business class subs can make this
number flexible.  There will be lower tier appliance platforms coming
down the pipeline.

Eric DaVersa


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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla Revenue Streams

2006-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Oh, yippee.  1 WISP can do it.  10,000 subs what?  Guess we can quit 
talking about this.


Eric DaVersa wrote:


Currently its 10K subs since it is a rev share/subsidy model - dial-up,
DSL, wireless.  A high volume of business class subs can make this
number flexible.  There will be lower tier appliance platforms coming
down the pipeline.  


Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jory Privett
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla  Revenue Streams

What are the subs  that I have to have to get a system like this???

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: Eric DaVersa [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla  Revenue Streams


The simple answer to that is don't use that option.  The ad
optimization is transparent and its basically free money.  I usually
have to say it 3 times before ISPs start to understand the concept, so
in the interest of saving time...

It's free money, it's free money, and - you guessed it - it's still free
money.

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla  Revenue Streams


North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!


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- Original Message - 
From: Eric DaVersa [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla  Revenue Streams


 


For a Network Operator, you have some incredible new tools as part of
the package.  You have a GUI interface where you can insert messaging
DIRECT TO THE DESKTOP.  This means, Dear Customer, your payment is 7
days past due, your account will be shut off if you do not pay within
   


x
 


hours.
   



I think if I tried that with my customers, I would be losing, not
gaining,
customers.   The notion of inserting something into thier data is... too
intrusive for me to consider.



North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!


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Re: [WISPA] OT: VoIP termination

2006-03-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I assume those numbers don't require a commitment on minute volume. If 
so, those are seemingly strong offerings. However, I would assume this 
is over the internet termination, which we find unacceptable for several 
reasons not the least of which is QoS. Additionally, I have found many 
of these providers have no ability to deal with fax traffic. Then of 
course you get into the problem of LNP, CNAM, and E911.


-Matt

Brian Whigham wrote:

I don't know what volume Matt's dealing with.  But, I haven't checked 
the lowest prices in a few months; so my interest was piqued.


Here's what I found.  If anyone has any experience with these 
providers, let me know.  Both provide IAX2 and SIP.


sellvoip.net (since '97)
Product Monthly Cost Setup Cost Usage Cost
Local DID $1.00 $1.00 $0.011 per minute
Toll-Free DID $1.00 $2.00 $0.020 per minute US 48*

LNP available
DIDs were local to many rural GA areas (where I am)

plainvoip
USA termination - $0.009
Toll-free terminatoin - $0.005
6/6 billing

Currently, I use voipjet.com and voxee.com with much success.  
Domestic rates are $0.013 and $0.011 per minute, respectively.  I 
think they both bill 6/6.


Brian



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[WISPA] Independent Installer Contract?

2006-03-08 Thread G.Villarini








Hey List we are going to draft a Install Subcontractor
Contract and we are looking for existing ones to grab some ideas 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143








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RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye



On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 Alex,

 Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
 discussion on the
 Wispa list servs.

 Respectfully,

 Rick Harnish
 President
 Supernova Technologies, Inc.
 260-827-2482 Office
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Founding Member of WISPA
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
 Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

 I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
 be okay to deploy on the network.

 They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
 additional fees for high load times.

 When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
 aren't
 in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

 Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
 liability exists..

 It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
 says
 they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

 Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
 doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
 line. I
 don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
 answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

 Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Kurt,
Come on now, we need you liberal democrats in WISPA, to keep us left wingers in line.-Original Message-From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 01:46 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a whileand this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.Kurt FankhauserWAVELINC114 S. Walnut St.Bucyrus, OH 44820419-562-6405www.wavelinc.com-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Alex HuppenthalSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive. Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to consider VoIP gateways.since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA. byeOn Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Alex, Please take this offlist. This is not proper content for  discussion on the Wispa list servs. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would be okay to deploy on the network. They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus additional fees for high load times. When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  aren't in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content. Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of liability exists.. It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  says they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature. Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  line. I don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself - answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground. Any experience with this? --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Also, additionally, and so forth - I don't have Alex Huppenthal's e-mail address as I delete his e-mail. Would someone send me his e-mail and or e-mail him and ask him to reconsider. We need all the smart guys on our side. Regardless of their opinions and stands. Without all these differing opinions we lose our perspective.
Don't let us become a one issue org., tolerance and understanding, if I only had more I'd be a better human being.-Original Message-From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 01:46 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a whileand this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.Kurt FankhauserWAVELINC114 S. Walnut St.Bucyrus, OH 44820419-562-6405www.wavelinc.com-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Alex HuppenthalSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive. Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to consider VoIP gateways.since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA. byeOn Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Alex, Please take this offlist. This is not proper content for  discussion on the Wispa list servs. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would be okay to deploy on the network. They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus additional fees for high load times. When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  aren't in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content. Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of liability exists.. It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  says they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature. Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  line. I don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself - answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground. Any experience with this? --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream

2006-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We specifically disallow such content on any hosted sites that sit on our 
servers.


But around here, churches outnumber bars by 4 to one..  For us, it's a 
policy issue.  We don't control your actions, but we don't help either.


Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: A. Huppenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream


I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would be 
okay to deploy on the network.


They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus 
additional fees for high load times.


When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they aren't 
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.


Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of 
liability exists..


It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew says 
they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.


Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are doing 
and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom line. I don't 
think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  - answer. Its 
policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.


Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.


The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to 
the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I don't 
like this or that so I'm leaving drama. 


Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181



That seems reasonable Rick.

I think maybe part of the problem here stems from 
the charter for the public list. I, personally, don't remember what the 
allowable discussion range is for this particular list.

If it's wireless specific then we indeed have to do 
a much better job of keeping it on track. If it's a general topic list 
then I think we're doing fine here. Even if talking about porn if it comes 
to that, from a business model standpoint.

Make sense?

Anyone know what the list charter says? I 
wouldn't even know where to go look it up.

And for those that care to run off in a huff, shame 
on you. This is a FREE list. Your business is improved every day by 
those on this list. That's WISPA's main goal. If *we* think that a 
line of thought is bad for our industry it's our right, indeed responsibility, 
to do something about it. It's YOUR job to convince us we're wrong OR run 
for office and change the rules.

I personally know and have met, eyeball to eyeball, 
everyone on this board. I don't happen to agree with any of them all of 
the time. I do have great respect for them all. These are among the 
very top minds in this industry. The folks on the WISPA board understand 
more about the business, the finances, politics, market pressures etc. than 
anyone you are likely to find anywhere. More importantly for you, they/we, 
are accessible. You can pick up the phone and call Rick and ask him 
directly why he did what he did. You can call and talk to me about FCC 
issues. You can call Scriv and ask about policy issues.

Now get back to work you scurvy dogs 
lol
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and 
  Criticism
  
  
  To 
  All,
  
  I took over the moderation of the 
  wireless@wispa.org list about a year 
  and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a 
  variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job 
  and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms 
  and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 
  
  
  This position is not a fun one, I 
  need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties 
  for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. 
  Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. 
  Alex’s post with the title, “New Revenue Stream” was one of the newest 
  messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn’t in the best mood when I 
  read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not 
  feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how 
  profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation 
  duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I 
  was in error. Possibly.
  
  I have received a few complaints 
  about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill 
  thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on 
  that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so 
  deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, 
  but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision 
  that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to 
  continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in 
  error, feel free to contact me offlist. 
  
  
  Respectfully,
  
  
  Rick 
  Harnish
  President
  OnlyInternet 
  Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
  260-827-2482 
  Office
  260-307-4000 
  Cell
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  VoIP
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Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Mac Dearman



Well - - all of you know I have an opinion thats not 
always humble, but I will share it all the same.

IMO - - I dont see a thing wrong with hosting such 
material IF thats what you want to do, but I must confess that discussing such 
hosting material on a WISPA list is not exactly kosher as we are trying to 
accomplish some rather extroidinary things with the Gov't. Such topics can not 
be helpful in these matters and thus - I agree with Brother Harnish's asking 
that particular topic go else where as it "may" stand the opportunity at a later 
date to be considered less than professional and detrimental to what we are 
trying accomplish. It is in a totally different ball field than any other "off 
topic" discussions that we have here from time to time. I would also hate to be 
meeting with Gov't officailas and one of tem ask me - - - so how is that porn 
service running for you? :-)

I also have an opinion for those of you who took 
such deep offense at Ricks comments - - - If you know Harnish then you know he 
had put thought into the matter before he asked the discussion be discontinued 
on list. He has never been a list "nazi" and such comments are offending and 
hurtful. I really think most of us (me included) ought to put a little more 
thought into what we are typing and re-read it before we hit send 
:-)

Later Gators,
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:30 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and 
  Criticism
  
  
  To 
  All,
  
  I took over the moderation of the 
  wireless@wispa.org list about a year 
  and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a 
  variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job 
  and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms 
  and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 
  
  
  This position is not a fun one, I 
  need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties 
  for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. 
  Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. 
  Alex’s post with the title, “New Revenue Stream” was one of the newest 
  messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn’t in the best mood when I 
  read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not 
  feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how 
  profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation 
  duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I 
  was in error. Possibly.
  
  I have received a few complaints 
  about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill 
  thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on 
  that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so 
  deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, 
  but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision 
  that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to 
  continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in 
  error, feel free to contact me offlist. 
  
  
  Respectfully,
  
  
  Rick 
  Harnish
  President
  OnlyInternet 
  Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
  260-827-2482 
  Office
  260-307-4000 
  Cell
  260-918-4340 
  VoIP
  www.oibw.net
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
  

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[WISPA] Group Focus

2006-03-08 Thread Peter R.
If there was indeed the focus of discussion - (promoting and improving 
the wireless industry) - then there would be far less traffic, since a 
majority of threads are about VoIP, revenue, FCC, the dreaded forms, and 
where do I get?


None of that is about promoting the wireless industry (well, maybe the 
FCC threads, but certainly the thread about not wanted to fill out 
federally required forms on a publicly archived listserv is not).


Maybe you need to re-define the focus of this listserv.

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
http://4isps.com

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.


The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated 
to the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I 
don't like this or that so I'm leaving drama.

Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[WISPA] Back bone

2006-03-08 Thread Ross Cornett



Gentlemen and Ladies,

Just curious if anyone outside the major mets have 
a back bone of DS3 either partial or full and what they are paying for 
them. I have been quoted $12000 per month for mine from ATT who has 
to lease lines from IL Consolidated. and I don't see now that is a 
workable figure in the wireless world. Any help would be 
appreciated.


Ross CornettVP 217 342 6201 ex 7HofNet 
Communications, Inc.www.HofNet-Communications.com

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Blair Davis
If you consider the original post by Alex Huppenthal as being outside 
'our core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry),  then the  entire Adzilla thread is out of line.


Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.


The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated 
to the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I 
don't like this or that so I'm leaving drama.

Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla Revenue Streams

2006-03-08 Thread Peter R.
How about to make it easy for all of you, I set up a con call with 
Martin Stewart from Adzilla for a QA early next week?


There are minimums because the Zillacaster hardware isn't exactly cheap.
Plus local advertising has to be sold (and salespeople paid to close 
contracts on that).


If interested in the call, please email me for bridge info.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Group Focus

2006-03-08 Thread Mac Dearman
It was my thought that the general list was for shooting the bull (to a 
certain degree), asking for help, asking where to find whatever and such.


I have been wrong before  - - though it has been years :)

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- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Group Focus


If there was indeed the focus of discussion - (promoting and improving the 
wireless industry) - then there would be far less traffic, since a 
majority of threads are about VoIP, revenue, FCC, the dreaded forms, and 
where do I get?


None of that is about promoting the wireless industry (well, maybe the FCC 
threads, but certainly the thread about not wanted to fill out federally 
required forms on a publicly archived listserv is not).


Maybe you need to re-define the focus of this listserv.

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
http://4isps.com

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.


The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to 
the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I don't like 
this or that so I'm leaving drama.

Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Back bone

2006-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181



We have two high end ethernet connections to the 
net.

One is 1 meg commit and 100 meg burst. We pay 
$350 per month per meg of AVERAGE usage. We average a meg.

The other is 1 meg commit with 10 meg burst. 
We pay $800 per month for a port in each of two towns. Plus $200 per month 
based on average usage. We average a meg per month.

The first one is a local PUD running fiber to every 
home in the county and the other is the local Telco.

If I'd not have gotten the 10 meg deal from Century 
Tel I'd have put in my own orthogon based solution spanning about 50 
miles.

That help?
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ross Cornett 
  To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade 
  Organization 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:54 
  AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Back bone
  
  Gentlemen and Ladies,
  
  Just curious if anyone outside the major mets 
  have a back bone of DS3 either partial or full and what they are paying for 
  them. I have been quoted $12000 per month for mine from ATT who has 
  to lease lines from IL Consolidated. and I don't see now that is a 
  workable figure in the wireless world. Any help would be 
  appreciated.
  
  
  Ross CornettVP 217 342 6201 ex 
  7HofNet Communications, Inc.www.HofNet-Communications.com
  
  HofNet-Communications.com
  
  

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RE: [WISPA] Back bone

2006-03-08 Thread Joe Fiero
Ross,

I am currently building out from my hub in St Louis which is fed by a OC-3.
I use both regional fiber and microwave backhaul to reach my partner's
markets. I am bringing 20 Megs into Litchfield for a partner who will
service that town, as well as Hillsboro.  Our initial capacity is 45 Megs.
It appears we could get to you with little difficulty and certainly at a
fraction of the $12k monthly. If you are interested contact me off list. We
can discuss my network in more detail.

Joe




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Cornett
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:54 AM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Back bone

Gentlemen and Ladies,
 
Just curious if anyone outside the major mets have a back bone of DS3 either
partial or full and what they are paying for them.  I have been quoted
$12000 per month for mine from ATT who has to lease lines from IL
Consolidated.  and I don't see now that is a workable figure in the wireless
world.  Any help would be appreciated.
 
 
Ross Cornett
VP 
217 342 6201 ex 7
HofNet Communications, Inc.
www.HofNet-Communications.com
 
HofNet-Communications.com


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Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Matt LaRSEN  Marlon make good points - I'll try to keep quiet for a while. And Rick, you are doing a good job, thanks again.
-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 11:26 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism
That seems reasonable Rick.

I think maybe part of the problem here stems from the charter for the public list. I, personally, don't remember what the allowable discussion range is for this particular list.

If it's wireless specific then we indeed have to do a much better job of keeping it on track. If it's a general topic list then I think we're doing fine here. Even if talking about porn if it comes to that, from a business model standpoint.

Make sense?

Anyone know what the list charter says? I wouldn't even know where to go look it up.

And for those that care to run off in a huff, shame on you. This is a FREE list. Your business is improved every day by those on this list. That's WISPA's main goal. If *we* think that a line of thought is bad for our industry it's our right, indeed responsibility, to do something about it. It's YOUR job to convince us we're wrong OR run for office and change the rules.

I personally know and have met, eyeball to eyeball, everyone on this board. I don't happen to agree with any of them all of the time. I do have great respect for them all. These are among the very top minds in this industry. The folks on the WISPA board understand more about the business, the finances, politics, market pressures etc. than anyone you are likely to find anywhere. More importantly for you, they/we, are accessible. You can pick up the phone and call Rick and ask him directly why he did what he did. You can call and talk to me about FCC issues. You can call Scriv and ask about policy issues.

Now get back to work you scurvy dogs lol
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- Original Message - 
From: Rick Harnish 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism


To All,

I took over the moderation of the wireless@wispa.org list about a year and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 

This position is not a fun one, I need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. Alex’s post with the title, “New Revenue Stream” was one of the newest messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn’t in the best mood when I read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I was in error. Possibly.

I have received a few complaints about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in error, feel free to contact me offlist. 


Respectfully,


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260-918-4340 VoIP
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[WISPA] Applying for Licensed Spectrum

2006-03-08 Thread Eric Muehleisen
How does one go about getting a license for deploying PTP backhaul links 
in the 11ghz to 18ghz band?


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[WISPA] Patrick Leary contact number

2006-03-08 Thread Brian Webster
Does anyone have Patrick's contact info, I lost it again.


Thank You,
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[WISPA] polycom IP 500 phones -- headset options???

2006-03-08 Thread danlist








Can anybody suggest a good headset
(wireless/Bluetooth) for the polycom IP500





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[WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?

2006-03-08 Thread G.Villarini








I have some trouble with an asterisk implementation, we are
looking for some expert helpat a reasonable rate, 



Gino A. Villarini, 

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Re: [WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?

2006-03-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I'm sure we can solve your problem for you, but it may be easier --and 
cheaper-- just to ask the question on the list. Anyway, our Asterisk 
support is $125/hour.


-Matt

G.Villarini wrote:

I have some trouble with an asterisk implementation, we are looking 
for some expert helpat a reasonable rate,


 


Gino A. Villarini,

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla Revenue Streams

2006-03-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

There is no free lunch.

this is the most concise, most accurate, and wisest words ever spoken, on
the subject of economics.



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- Original Message - 
From: Eric DaVersa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla  Revenue Streams


 The simple answer to that is don't use that option.  The ad
 optimization is transparent and its basically free money.  I usually
 have to say it 3 times before ISPs start to understand the concept, so
 in the interest of saving time...

 It's free money, it's free money, and - you guessed it - it's still free
 money.

 Eric DaVersa
 Vice-President, Business Development
 NetLogix
 OFFICE: 858.764.1998
 CELL: 858.245.6702
 FAX: 858.764.1982
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
 Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla  Revenue Streams


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 personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
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 Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
 
 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Eric DaVersa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:57 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla  Revenue Streams


 
  For a Network Operator, you have some incredible new tools as part of
  the package.  You have a GUI interface where you can insert messaging
  DIRECT TO THE DESKTOP.  This means, Dear Customer, your payment is 7
  days past due, your account will be shut off if you do not pay within
 x
  hours.

 I think if I tried that with my customers, I would be losing, not
 gaining,
 customers.   The notion of inserting something into thier data is... too
 intrusive for me to consider.



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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have an idea.  Lets close this thread. 

Or we could complain some more and get more memberships to disappear and 
more lurkers to say I'll never join that organization of a bunch of 
ladies complaining.


Here is another idea.

Lets talk about wireless.

Here is another idea.  Call your congressman and get us some spectrum.

Anything but the dramaPLEASE!!


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

Given the odds... I know that someday I'm going to face the issue of content
policy.

I, too, am rather disappointed to know that wireless ISP's aren't supposed
to discuss this notion among themselves.   What goes on, on my network, I
don't know, really.   I haven't monitored enough traffic to know, and
frankly, I don't want to.   I hope I never do, but given the odds, that's
not likely.

But there may be legal or other concerns that can seriously impact your
business, and it's all about the content FROM your customers, not just TO
your customers.

Where do you suggest we discuss these issues, anyway?   Hire a lawyer?


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- Original Message - 
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*


 I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our
 core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless
 industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional
 revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the
 last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.

 The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our
 signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to
 the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I don't
 like this or that so I'm leaving drama.

 Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread Blair Davis

Then let's dump ALL the stuff that is not directly involving wireless.

I think that that would make this a very slow moving list

And I had/have some insight to offer on Alex's original question... 
Alex, if you see this, or if someone gets it to you, feel free to 
contact me off list.  We had a similar situation arise several years ago.


--

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


I have an idea.  Lets close this thread.
Or we could complain some more and get more memberships to disappear 
and more lurkers to say I'll never join that organization of a bunch 
of ladies complaining.


Here is another idea.

Lets talk about wireless.

Here is another idea.  Call your congressman and get us some spectrum.

Anything but the dramaPLEASE!!


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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Re: [WISPA] List Discussion

2006-03-08 Thread Dylan Oliver
Funny, I just got the new xchange trade mag and one of the articles is Adult Content Heats up Wireless Networks. Here's the lead:As with the Internet before it, the mobile world provides rich opportunities for personalization and entertainment distribution. And for an ever-increasing segment of the population, that means porn. According to Juniper Research, the overall market for mobile adult content will triple to $2.1 billion by 2009, driven by more availability of 
2.5 and 3G networks.Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Cable....

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Blair,
I have a spool, non flooded, STP, 5e, Beldin 7919a or 7929A, just got it. won't need for a while, cost me 349, you can have it for 300. I will be going to Michigan City tomorrow, couldswing by Allegan and drop it off.
ron wallace
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-Original Message-From: Blair Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 02:54 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] CableI need a spool of outdoor, shielded, flooded, with ground or drain wire, cat5 cable.I have been getting it from Arc Wireless, but they will be out of stock until mid April. If it helps, Arc's part number is SW-CAB-108190 for the 1000 ft spool.Anybody got a spool they can spare? Please hit me off list or give me a call at the number belowThanks.--
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Re: [WISPA] Applying for Licensed Spectrum

2006-03-08 Thread Bob Moldashel

Eric Muehleisen wrote:

How does one go about getting a license for deploying PTP backhaul 
links in the 11ghz to 18ghz band?


-Eric


Eric,

Call Bobby Walton at MicroNet.  They do frequency coordination and the 
license applications for what you are looking for.  Tell him I sent ya..


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-B-

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[WISPA] Group Focus

2006-03-08 Thread John Scrivner
The only reason we run a public list server at all is to give us a 
chance to promote and improve the efforts of our organization and 
industry and to hopefully win more membership to give us a larger and 
more powerful voice in developing the policy that runs our industry. 
Many of the negative  conversations of late are doing the opposite. We 
need to all cool down and concentrate on making our posts positive and 
working to the common good or we need to keep our keyboards silent if we 
can not be civil. Let's PLEASE stop the bickering and start doing what 
needs to be done to make our industry better. If anyone has a complaint 
about the way anything is being done in WISPA then the ONLY way you have 
a voice is to tell [EMAIL PROTECTED] that you want something changed. Then 
we will address your complaint in a civil manner and will consider your 
request formally.

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RE: [WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?

2006-03-08 Thread G.Villarini
Well basically, we have a Server with [EMAIL PROTECTED], 3 FXO cards for 3 POTS
lines, and VOIP deskphones.  We are having issues with the Asterisk not
finalizing calls on the POTS lines.  Call goes in, we receive call, call
is finished, calling party hangs up, asterisk doesn't hang the call.  It
happens randomly on all 3 cards.


Any takers?

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?

I'm sure we can solve your problem for you, but it may be easier --and 
cheaper-- just to ask the question on the list. Anyway, our Asterisk 
support is $125/hour.

-Matt

G.Villarini wrote:

 I have some trouble with an asterisk implementation, we are looking 
 for some expert helpat a reasonable rate,

  

 Gino A. Villarini,

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

 787.273.4143

  


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[WISPA] Asterisk hangup issues

2006-03-08 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

Hi Gino,

I have the exact same problem.  Certain kinds of calls don't hang up - 
usually calls from cellular carriers that don't send the right kind of 
termination or whatever.


I haven't come up with a perfect solution for it, but we do reboot the 
server every night at 3am just to make sure the channels get cleared at 
least once a day.   We have started keeping an eye on the system through 
the FOP panel, and when the pots lines are stuck, someone goes into the 
console and does zap destroy channel x to hang up the line.


I am going to be getting a SIP trunk directly from my CLEC, and then I 
won't have any direct interface with the POTS system.  Can't wait for 
that day.  Dealing with the POTS lines is the biggest pain in the ass 
with Asterisk.


If you come up with a better solution, let me know.

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

2006-03-08 Thread JohnnyO




I appreciate Rick for what he does - with that being said - I do not feel there was anything wrong with Alex's post. I for one would like to hear everyone's opinion on the topic before u nipping this one Matt. Below you stated YOUR opinion. You also kinda went to extremes by bringing up Amway What Alex has brought up could be a huge $$ generator and a good fit for some WISPs/ISPs. Alex never went into graphic details only generalizations.

I guess all of this noise caused by the nipping as you say it is more suited for public view ? h

JohnnyO

On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 09:20 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.

The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to 
the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old I don't 
like this or that so I'm leaving drama. 

Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye



On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

  

Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the
Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't
in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says
they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I
don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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