Re: [WISPA] Sad News......The Passing of Joe D'Andrea of West 21

2006-05-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Bob,

This is sad news. Ken and I send our deepest sympathies out to his 
family and loved ones.


We remember all the contributions Joe made to this industry and, in 
fact, if it were not for Joe's foresightedness in making sure his WISP 
was in full compliance of the Part 15 regulations this industry might 
have taken a completely different path.


Thanks Bob for bringing this to our attention.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Bob Moldashel wrote:


I just heard about this on the Part 15 list.

I am sure many here knew Joe D'Andrea of West 21 out of Asbury Park, 
NJ. He was definately one of the early starters in this industry.  I 
was lucky enough to know him, having built out his primary AP site and 
dealing with the FCC when they came knocking on his door a short time 
later. Joe was a great guy and I know I will miss him


More info here:   
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060502/NEWS01/605020367/1004 



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Re: [WISPA] (no subject)

2006-05-06 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Buddy, I haven't heard from you in a long time. How's it going?
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Vaporware baby ! 

JohnnyO


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To All,

Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims? sounds too good to be true.

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Re: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?

2006-05-06 Thread Carl A Jeptha

So who is selling 3.5 wimax equipment?

You have a Good Day now,


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George Rogato wrote:

I'm doing 5MHz as well as 10MHz with Star-OS and Atheros.
I just ran a throughput test on a 10MHz 5 gig link and the test came 
back 2000+/- KB


George

Charles Wu wrote:
You can do a 5 MHz channel size on an Atheros chip (Off the top of my 
head,

Alvarion  Airaya have implemented it so far)

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Patrick Leary wrote:


But which WiMAX are you talking about? There are lots of versions 
and the one version that no one has...and no one should be clamoring 
for just yet...is unlicensed WiMAX.






I am certainly looking for WiMAX features such as spectral efficiency 
in 5 Ghz unlicensed gear right now. I don't really care about the 
standard.


-Matt



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Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-06 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks guys, This info was what I was looking for, and it substantiates what I believe. I need to take this info to my investors, so they understand what we are up against.
Ron wallace-Original Message-From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2006 04:54 AMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subjectSystems work differently when operating under licensed vs. unlicensed bandsThat said, no amount of "fancing beamforming" or signal processing or evencomplex QAM modulation will bust through that -70ish noise floor-Charles---CWLabTechnology Architectshttp://www.cwlab.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of George RogatoSent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:45 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subjectHi RonI don't know much except what has come across these list since the stuff came out.I seem to recall a couple of wisps saying they've installed them and being successful. I don't recall that they were very fast at all.Some of the municipalities have deployed them, I think maybe Portland Oregon and Seattle Washington have them.And I think it was relatively expensive, Think I heard like 30-60k or more per pop. Big wind loaded multiple panel antennas of size and expensive omni'sGeorgeRon Wallace wrote: George,  What do you know about them?  -Original Message- From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject)  Ron Wallace wrote:  To All,   Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims?  sounds  too good to be true.   Ron Wallace   I'd like to know as well how it performs and their success rate. It's been out awhile now.  I do know that Navini and Vivato were supposed to be revolutionary products using smart antennas and direction beam forming techniques to overcome nlos and reach in deeper to the customer. They get to use more power than a normal PtMP unlicensed system. Vivato didn't make it: http://www.vivato.com/ VIVATO ANNOUNCES WIND DOWN PLANS.  George   -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org  Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/  -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)


 While I agree with the basic concept of net neutrality, I wonder what
 will happen with IPTV-VOD and the stress it puts on a broadband
 providers network.

 If there is any application that I can think of that changes the rules
 of net neutrality it would be IPTV. I understand some will say you sold
 a certain size connection and should live up to that, but no ISP has
 sold a consumer grade broadband connection thinkig that a small
 percentage of it's customers would eat up his entire pipe. Or had in
 mind that this type of usage would be common place when he first sold
 his services and set pricing.

 Matter of fact for a wisp this would kill us if tomorrow morning if we
 all woke up and found our customers all downloading tomorrows
 movies-television shows at the same time across our network.
 That is the first point. The second point is, does hollywood video have
 a right to use a substantial amount of our network to deliver to both
 our common customers their product without paying us a toll fee?

It's not Hollywood Video, it's YOUR CUSTOMER using your network.

Only your customer owes you, nobody else.

Are you prepared to tell your customer... We provide internet connections,
but block the sites we don't want you to access..?




North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!

-


 Anyone else want to argue this?

 It's a good subject that we should be discussing.

 George

 Jack Unger wrote:
  Net Neutrality to me means preventing the large backbone providers
  (ATT, etc.) from deciding whose packets will be allowed to use the
  Internet and how much extra it will cost to use the Internet, assuming
  that you are allowed to use it. Packets from sites can be (as I
  understand it) not just slowed down but prevented from crossing at all
  unless the backbone providers approve. This, to me, is undemocratic,
  unjust, and bad for the citizens of any free country. That is why I
  support and have joined the coalition to Save the Internet.
 
  http://www.savetheinternet.com/
 
  As responsible individuals who are involved in the Internet business, I
  urge each one of you to:
 
  1. Read the website http://www.savetheinternet.com/
 
  2. Do your own additional research on Net Neutrality, the First
  Amendment of the Internet - based on the First Amendment to the
  American Constitution - Freedom of Speech.
 
  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html
 
  3. Reach an informed decision on the issue of Net Neutrality
 
  4. If you agree, take action by signing up to join the coalition to save
  the Internet.
 
  5. If you disagree, take action to support your position.
 
  6. Publicize your efforts and help to get the word out to support your
  position.
 
 
  So far, 500,000 (half a million) individuals and organizations have
  signed up to support the coalition to save the Internet. Of these, six
  are ISPs; none of the six appear to be WISPs.
 
  http://www.savetheinternet.com/=members
 
  I would expect that at least a few WISPs would support this effort to
  keep the Internet accessible equally by everyone.
 
  Thank you for listening,
   jack
 

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RE: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?

2006-05-06 Thread Patrick Leary
Carl,

Lots of vendors sell 3.5GHz WiMAX, some with, some without the certification
yet. We've been selling it for 2 years commercially (long enough to have
some operators with several 10's of thousands of deployed CPE). Many others
have recently released their own versions.

- Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Carl A Jeptha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 6:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?

So who is selling 3.5 wimax equipment?

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



George Rogato wrote:
 I'm doing 5MHz as well as 10MHz with Star-OS and Atheros.
 I just ran a throughput test on a 10MHz 5 gig link and the test came 
 back 2000+/- KB

 George

 Charles Wu wrote:
 You can do a 5 MHz channel size on an Atheros chip (Off the top of my 
 head,
 Alvarion  Airaya have implemented it so far)

 -Charles

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:11 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?


 Patrick Leary wrote:


 But which WiMAX are you talking about? There are lots of versions 
 and the one version that no one has...and no one should be clamoring 
 for just yet...is unlicensed WiMAX.




 I am certainly looking for WiMAX features such as spectral efficiency 
 in 5 Ghz unlicensed gear right now. I don't really care about the 
 standard.

 -Matt

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[WISPA] [Fwd: [Tower-pro] Tower Climber dies in PA]

2006-05-06 Thread Bob Moldashel
I thought this was important enough to cross-post it accross the above 
addresses This is from the Tower-Pro list


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Group,
A tower climber for Sting Communications, Michael Sellers, 25, of 
Lebanon PA, died yesterday after falling from a tower approximately 
90'.  The link to the article in the local newspaper can be found here:

http://www.altoonamirror.com/articles.asp?articleID=1366

The link to a tv report with a picture of the tower is here:

http://www.wjactv.com/news/9168284/detail.html

Sting communications is a wireless internet company that primarily 
provides point to point links using Alvarion equipment. 

Apparently someone at the scene gave a statement that their were no 
places to tie off on the tower until the climber was positioned where 
he was going to be working.  The tower is a Rohn SSV tower.  Obviously 
we have the means in this industry to stay 100% on a Rohn tower.  I 
have run into Sting's 2 man tower crews several times in Central PA.  
The first time I was at the top of a tower owned by the company I was 
employed by swapping out an antenna.  Two climbers from Sting came up 
to install an Alvarion radio and panel.  They free climbed up the 
tower (which had a safety cable installed) in tennis shoes without 
hardhats.  They were wearing full body harnesses with a single leg 
lanyard on the dorsal attatchment point, but the lanyard was being 
used to carry the radio and panel antenna.  They had no positioning 
lanyards, only a couple of large carabiners they would attatch to one 
of their side D rings or the other, never both at the same time.  I 
Couldn't believe what I saw.  After getting them back to the ground I 
questioned them about safety equipment, and their training.  I quickly 
learned that these guys had never been properly trained in safe 
climbing techniques or OSHA regulations.  They had never even really 
worked around other tower crews, I was the first experienced tower 
tech they had even spoken with.  (this was about 2 years ago)  I gave 
them a rundown on OSHA regs, showed them the equipment I used (SALA 
EXOFIT XP Double Leg Lanyard, Positioning Lanyards, Cable Grabs, etc.) 
I also gave them a Midwest Unlimited catalog and circled all of 
the must have safety equipment, then gave them ComTrain's web 
address.  My GM then called their supervisor and explained our 
policies, general tower climbing policies, and that they would not be 
allowed to work on the company's towers unless they complied.  
  
I know of two falls from towers in the past two weeks.  One happened 
at 220' when an experienced well-trained climber slipped off a peg as 
he was repositioning. He works for an extremely large tower company 
where safety is truly part of the culture.  He fell into his fall 
arrest and went home that night with no injuries.

I think you can draw your own conclusions to what happened yesterday.

My condolences to  Mr. Seller's family and loved ones.

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President,
Novotech Construction, Inc.
Mobile (814)935-5401
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Re: [WISPA] Business Value

2006-05-06 Thread Mark Nash
Thanks, Faisal...this is good insight.  I have had it in my mind that 
because he wants out now, I will have to begin paying him now.  But based on 
goals we had set previously, he was to stay in for 2 more years.  I believe 
THAT is when he should start being compensated for sweat equity.  The layout 
of cash has always been a different matter.  We took out a loan in the 
beginning to fund initial equipment.  That is paid off in 1 month, and it 
makes sense that that amount should now go to him each month to pay back 
real $$$ he invested.


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Business Value



Mark,
As you can tell from all the great replies, there are many different ways 
to

do this.

Speaking from past experience, one of the best advice that I had received,
was that the folks going into a partnership should negotiate and come to 
an
agreement on Partnership Termination Terms and Conditions, PRIOR to 
getting

into the Partnership.

It sounds corny, but believe me, all the time invested upfront on this
difficult topic pays off for everyone when the options are exercised.

However in this particular case, it is hindsight. Having said that, you 
have

a quiet a few good things going for you.

1. It is an amicable split.
2. Your Partner has a target goal and plan he is working for.
3. You recognize that there are two items to be valued, money and sweat
equity.

I can see from the other replies that you are getting great advice on the
different technical formulas for valuation. I would like to make a very
different kind of suggestion, that may work out to be beneficial for both.

Needless to say, you and your partner will have to explore and customize
whatever agreement that you come up with.

If you forget about the technical aspect of the business, and just 
evaluate
it in terms of a generic business, then below listed concepts would apply 
as

long as the two of you understand what the other wants to achieve.

I am suspecting that, your partner does not need to pull out the money 
that

he has put into the business, also going to make the assumption that the
business is the growing stage and not yet generating positive free cash
flow..(positive free cash flow is not the same as profit).

Another key business principle, which is often mis-understood is that
Compensation and Ownership are two very different things, and they DO NOT
have to be interdependent.

In my case, prior to getting into the partnership, we negotiated, 
Ownership
(percentage), Compensation agreement, and Termination Terms and 
conditions.


Compensation agreement is based on the principle that the
salary/compensation was going to be the same as to what it would cost to
higher a similarly qualified employee to  fulfill that position. (Adjusted
up or down based on the affordability and the company finances).

If a partner decided to go silent, (i.e. not work in the business on a day
to day basis), then they were not entitled to the salary, only to the 
profit

distributions if any.

Any monies invested into the company, were either in form a interest 
bearing
loan (in some cases we accrued the interest and deferred paying it, 
because

we did not have the $$), or the initial 'purchase' of the company stock,
which translated into the ownership stake.

As to sweat equity, an equalizer formula between the partners can be 
agreed
to, it really doesn't matter what it is as long as it is equitable and 
both

of you agree to it.


Based on the above, and the specific needs of you and your partner, you
could easily work out a 'Buy Out' plan which would provide a return on
investment for him, while providing self financing from the company's 
growth

for you. (e.g. I will use 1% of the company's gross revenues (of 10% of
gross profits) to purchase 1/5th of your share, on an annual basis. Or
something similar, so that over a defined period of time, you are able to
purchase his shares (ownership stake) and he is able to get more $ for it 
as

the company grows)

As to the sweat equity, if you both feel that you have put in an equal
amount, then the above formula should provide a decent return on the
original investment. If you two believe that the sweat equity was not 
equal,

then the above formula should be adjusted to be more favorable for your
partner.

Overall, the concept is that, most folks who start small business do that 
so

as to get a return on the investment down the road when the business is
doing well. Just because the partner is leaving to focus on other things,
and there is no desperate need for cash, especially in amicable 
separations,

there is nothing which says that one cannot still continue towards the
original goal...to provide a good return on original 

Re: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?

2006-05-06 Thread Carl A Jeptha

Thank you,
Send me offlist Ballpark pricing. I will understand that further pricing 
negotiation will be be required


You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



Patrick Leary wrote:

Carl,

Lots of vendors sell 3.5GHz WiMAX, some with, some without the certification
yet. We've been selling it for 2 years commercially (long enough to have
some operators with several 10's of thousands of deployed CPE). Many others
have recently released their own versions.

- Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Carl A Jeptha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 6:15 AM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?

So who is selling 3.5 wimax equipment?

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



George Rogato wrote:
  

I'm doing 5MHz as well as 10MHz with Star-OS and Atheros.
I just ran a throughput test on a 10MHz 5 gig link and the test came 
back 2000+/- KB


George

Charles Wu wrote:

You can do a 5 MHz channel size on an Atheros chip (Off the top of my 
head,

Alvarion  Airaya have implemented it so far)

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?


Patrick Leary wrote:


  
But which WiMAX are you talking about? There are lots of versions 
and the one version that no one has...and no one should be clamoring 
for just yet...is unlicensed WiMAX.





I am certainly looking for WiMAX features such as spectral efficiency 
in 5 Ghz unlicensed gear right now. I don't really care about the 
standard.


-Matt
  

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[WISPA] [Fwd: [Board] [Fwd: [Tower-pro] Tower Climber dies in PA]]

2006-05-06 Thread George Rogato



 Original Message 
Subject: [Board] [Fwd: [Tower-pro] Tower Climber dies in PA]
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 12:54:07 -0400
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA Board Members List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA Board Members List [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA Chatter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],	[EMAIL PROTECTED], wireless@wispa.org


I thought this was important enough to cross-post it across the above
addresses This is from the Tower-Pro list

-B-

--
Bob Moldashel
Lakeland Communications, Inc.
Broadband Deployment Group
1350 Lincoln Avenue
Holbrook, New York 11741 USA
800-479-9195 Toll Free US  Canada
631-585-5558 Fax
516-551-1131 Cell


---BeginMessage---
Group,
A tower climber for Sting Communications, Michael Sellers, 25, of 
Lebanon PA, died yesterday after falling from a tower approximately 
90'.  The link to the article in the local newspaper can be found here:

http://www.altoonamirror.com/articles.asp?articleID=1366

The link to a tv report with a picture of the tower is here:

http://www.wjactv.com/news/9168284/detail.html

Sting communications is a wireless internet company that primarily 
provides point to point links using Alvarion equipment. 

Apparently someone at the scene gave a statement that their were no 
places to tie off on the tower until the climber was positioned where 
he was going to be working.  The tower is a Rohn SSV tower.  Obviously 
we have the means in this industry to stay 100% on a Rohn tower.  I 
have run into Sting's 2 man tower crews several times in Central PA.  
The first time I was at the top of a tower owned by the company I was 
employed by swapping out an antenna.  Two climbers from Sting came up 
to install an Alvarion radio and panel.  They free climbed up the 
tower (which had a safety cable installed) in tennis shoes without 
hardhats.  They were wearing full body harnesses with a single leg 
lanyard on the dorsal attatchment point, but the lanyard was being 
used to carry the radio and panel antenna.  They had no positioning 
lanyards, only a couple of large carabiners they would attatch to one 
of their side D rings or the other, never both at the same time.  I 
Couldn't believe what I saw.  After getting them back to the ground I 
questioned them about safety equipment, and their training.  I quickly 
learned that these guys had never been properly trained in safe 
climbing techniques or OSHA regulations.  They had never even really 
worked around other tower crews, I was the first experienced tower 
tech they had even spoken with.  (this was about 2 years ago)  I gave 
them a rundown on OSHA regs, showed them the equipment I used (SALA 
EXOFIT XP Double Leg Lanyard, Positioning Lanyards, Cable Grabs, etc.) 
I also gave them a Midwest Unlimited catalog and circled all of 
the must have safety equipment, then gave them ComTrain's web 
address.  My GM then called their supervisor and explained our 
policies, general tower climbing policies, and that they would not be 
allowed to work on the company's towers unless they complied.  
  
I know of two falls from towers in the past two weeks.  One happened 
at 220' when an experienced well-trained climber slipped off a peg as 
he was repositioning. He works for an extremely large tower company 
where safety is truly part of the culture.  He fell into his fall 
arrest and went home that night with no injuries.

I think you can draw your own conclusions to what happened yesterday.

My condolences to  Mr. Seller's family and loved ones.

Chris Mika
President,
Novotech Construction, Inc.
Mobile (814)935-5401
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [Board] [Fwd: [Tower-pro] Tower Climber dies in PA]]

2006-05-06 Thread George Rogato
This is very sad. He was so young, 25. And he was not tied off as he 
climbed.


George

George Rogato wrote:



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Subject: [Board] [Fwd: [Tower-pro] Tower Climber dies in PA]
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 12:54:07 -0400
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I thought this was important enough to cross-post it across the above
addresses This is from the Tower-Pro list

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