Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this? 2 diferent issues at hand

2006-06-06 Thread John J. Thomas
I think the general thinking is that WISP's shouldn't have to pay to make the 
Governments' job easier...

John 


-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2006 11:29 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this? 2 diferent issues at hand

I want to preface this email with the statement that I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT 
support this law, it is an invasion of privacy and places an undue 
burden of responsibility on an ISP.

Now that being said, as I read the article, and as some have pointed out 
the information being requested for archive is merely websites visited 
and email address sent to. This information is trivial to gather and 
really not that burdensome to archive. I currently run about 4Mbps-5Mbps 
of traffic from 8am to midnight and a months worth of these logs 
uncompressed only takes up about 7G of space. Compression will save me 
60% of that so it is more like 3G for a month of 4-5Mbps. This fits 
nicely on a single DVD-R for achiving once a month. Even scaling this up 
to 30X the traffic for a DVD/day gets you 120-150Mbps daily average traffic.

Your total cost on something like this would be
1. a Mikrotik box (or any router that supports the netflow protocol) to 
sit right before your edge router (or as your edge router).
2. A PC to capture the data with a DVD+-R drive total cost  $500.
3. And then a spindle of DVD media at ~ $15/100 DVDs.

This puts the grand total in at well under $2000 one time cost and then 
whatever personnel cost you want to assign to burning a DVD once a 
month, or if you are lucky enough to have enough customers to require 
120Mbps, once a day.

I think it is important if we are going to draft something up to address 
this issue that we address it with facts. For most ISPs coming up with 
the money to achieve this while a PITA is not going to cause the 
business to go bankrupt. I achieved this using equipment I already have 
in place. My DS3 MT router sends the netflow data to the box I use for 
system/network monitoring. I currently do not archive this data to DVD 
because I have only been collecting it for a month, but I highly doubt I 
will unless required to by law. The only reason I collect this data is 
for IP accounting and troubleshooting and will probably keep no more 
than a month or two of the full data. But it sure comes in handy when a 
customer calls up and says that they haven't had internet for the past 2 
weeks and I can pull up the charts that show they have. Or they say that 
things have been running real slow lately and I can look at the flow 
data and see that their kids have been using P2P applications or doing 
large FTP downloads.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Butch Evans wrote:
 On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, George Rogato wrote:

 1) Does the government have a right to know the actions of Americans 
 on the internet?

 This is not really at issue. At least it is not really of any concern 
 for us here.

 2) Is this a responsibility of the ISP to bear the burden of 
 gathering this information or should the burden be carried by the 
 feds themselves with little or no cost to the ISP?

 THIS is the real issue that ISPs face. The problem that we all have 
 with this is multifaceted. First, (and perhaps most importantly) is 
 the cost that many ISPs will face to comply with the requirements. In 
 many cases, this cost will be both direct (for hardware) and indirect 
 (network reconfiguration). Also, many ISPs are set up in such a way 
 that compliance will be nearly impossible. Let me provide just a 
 couple examples.

 First, many ISPs use private IP space internally for their customers. 
 For these ISPs, any monitoring done by an outside entity (i.e. ATT) 
 will be completely useless.

 Another example, would be the many ISPs that have several diverse 
 networks. I have several customers that have 3 or 4 distinct networks 
 (one has 8). These ISPs would be required to store this data in either 
 one location, or purchase the equipment for each network.

 It is my belief that WISPA should create a stance against any 
 requirement for WISPs to store customer traffic patterns for any 
 period. The very idea is hideously un-American in the first place. Be 
 that as it may, it is technically difficult, and financially unfair 
 for many smaller ISPs to have to store this information at all.

 This thread started out as we should not be allowing the government 
 to know our every move. This is a political discussion that can not 
 and should not be decided by an ISP, but rather the entire country. 
 We don't have any jurisdiction on issues such as this.

 George, this is one area where we disagree. This is NOT a political 
 discussion. This is an issue that directly impacts every ISP 
 (wireless or wired). It is, perhaps, true that the political 
 implications are what Mark was driving at, but the issue at hand is 
 NOT political in nature. It IS financial and technical.

 We do 

Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?

2006-06-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki



Ummm... read the story carefully. 
The FBI and AG Gonzalez DO want content recorded. People have 
proposed regulation... that is very unclear and imprecise about what is actually 
required. 

The problem is that the people involved in writing 
the laws are clueless about network operations and utterly unconcerned about 
the Constitution. 




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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  David Sovereen 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent 
  about this?
  
  Many of you seem to be of the belief that the 
  proposed bill requires you to keep records of the content of 
  subscribers. Simply put, that isNOT THE CASE. While I do not 
  know the specific details of the various proposals, I do know that none of 
  them are expecting ISPs to keep copies of content accessed.
  
  The proposed bills arerequiring that ISPs 
  keep track of what subscriber used what IP address(es). One version of 
  the bill wants this data retained for one year; another version for two 
  years. For ISPs using RADIUS for accounting or making static IP 
  assignments, this is pretty easy to do. I 
  don't know what requirements, if any, are being proposed for subscribers 
  placed behind a NAT firewall shared by many subscribers.
  
  I understand that WISPA is an organization still 
  in its infancy, and they don't currently have the resources to "lobby" 
  congress. But there IS an organization speaking to congress on your 
  bahalf on this issue: The United States Internet Industry 
  Association.
  
  As a former member of the board of directors, I 
  can assure you that this is a small, but vocal organization, and they are 
  representing YOUR interests. Data retention requirements have been on 
  USIIA's radar for quite some time. On Feburary 17, 2005 (last year) the 
  board of directors adopted this policy as USIIA's official position on data 
  retention: http://www.usiia.org/legis/dataret.html
  
  If you'd like tosupport an organization 
  that does speak to congress and is representing your interests, you might 
  consider giving USIIA your financial. For the record, their board 
  receives no compensation. The only paid employee is David McClure, their 
  full-time President and CEO (and "lobbyist", but he doesn't go by that 
  title).
  
  Dave
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pete Davis 

To: WISPA General List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:34 
PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent 
about this?
If/when the feds require it, I guess the way to do it would 
be to run Ethereal in fully promiscuous mode on a mirrored port on a switch 
and streaming it to server over the FBI's T1 to their server. When the 
Federal government installs their T1 to my NOC, I would be willing to upload 
it to them over their network resources to their server for them to to keep 
on file for 2 years to never look at, otherwise, I don't have any way to 
insure that the data hasn't been tampered with if it stays in my file room. 
The government requiring me to keep two years records of all network traffic 
seems unreasonable. If I were a defense attorney defending a client whose 
evidence against him was stored by some local ISP dinks on their servers for 
24 months, I would certainly question the chain of the evidence, and likely 
get it thrown out.Here is an example of how this could go wrong: If 
I am an ISP operator (I am actually) and I have a vendetta against a client 
(I don't, or at least not one I want to discuss here) and I am in charge of 
keeping network logs of all of that client's traffic, I could easily forge 
the records to make it look like he had committed a horrific crime, like 
reproducing the transcript of the commentary of a game without the express 
written consent of Major League Baseball, and make it look like it came from 
his IP address. I don't know how that record, 24 months old, and sitting in 
my tape locker could ever be held as compelling evidence against him, unless 
there was already an investigation, where these records still probably 
couldn't make or break a case.I suppose that the thinking is, that 
if the subscriber is guilty of child porn, and they can prove what site he 
downloaded from and sent it to, they could go after that web host for 
hosting the smut. Either way, putting it off to the local ISP to keep 
records seems far fetched. Pete DavisNoDial.netMac 
Dearman wrote: 
You have enough clients that it would bankrupt you to build a server to log
your HTTP  SMTP traffic? I don't think it would be that 

Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this? 2 diferent issues at hand

2006-06-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

- Original Message - 
From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this? 2 diferent issues at
hand


 On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, George Rogato wrote:

 1) Does the government have a right to know the actions of
 Americans on the internet?

 This is not really at issue.  At least it is not really of any
 concern for us here.

WHAT???

Of course this is AT ISSUE.   Or do you exempt yourself from being a citizen
and having any concern about intrusion into your life???

That some of us happen to be part of the businesses in question is merely
incidental.   Our opinions as businessmen should reflect that issue as well.
Or is that too redneck these days?


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Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this? 2 diferent issues at hand

2006-06-06 Thread Butch Evans

On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, George Rogato wrote:


1) Does the government have a right to know the actions of
Americans on the internet?


This is not really at issue.  At least it is not really of any
concern for us here.


Of course this is AT ISSUE.  Or do you exempt yourself from being a 
citizen and having any concern about intrusion into your life???


Not at all.  BUT, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS LIST.

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[WISPA] Does anyone here import from Compex?

2006-06-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I would like to evaluate some of thier products - specifically, some of
thier AP / client boards and thier mini-pci radios.

It's a bit of a pain to order a few samples of each of what I'm interested
in directly from them, though, they will sell them to me.

Anyone?


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Re: [WISPA] Does anyone here import from Compex?

2006-06-06 Thread Butch Evans

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

I would like to evaluate some of thier products - specifically, 
some of thier AP / client boards and thier mini-pci radios.


I've used their client devices in the past with good success.  Their 
broadband routers are decent, but not great.  Never used the 
mini-pci stuff (they didn't have these when I was using their 
stuff).



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Re: [WISPA] Join WISPA?

2006-06-06 Thread John Scrivner
There is a Principle Member's list which is made up of WISP operators 
who have paid for Principle Membership. That list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] We 
only have a couple of Associate members so have not made up a list just 
for paid Associate members yet. We are considering other list resources 
for different membership types.

Scriv


Butch Evans wrote:


On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

There is a members only list that is much more structured and isn't 
open to just anyone



Is that list open only to Principal members?  I am only an associate 
member.  Do I qualify for that list?  Inquiring minds...



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Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?

2006-06-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181



Hiya Carl,

Most of the discussion here centers around US 
issues ONLY because there are more US isp's involved. Maybe you Kanooks 
are even worse about joining organizations than us Yanks? 
hehehehe

We structured WISPA specifically so that it can 
grow anywhere in the world. And we can use info learned in one country and 
put it (and people) together to help folks anywhere.

I know that there was a Canadian issue that you'd 
asked about once before. I may be able to carve out a little bit more time 
to help you with that in the next week or so if you'd like to try again. 
Feel free to post your issues here, that's part of what we're here 
for.

Remember, this is your list too. If you don't 
use it it won't help you.
Marlon(509) 
982-2181 
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage) 
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(icq) 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Carl A Jeptha 
  
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent 
  about this?
  last time I thought Wispa was international and if it is not I 
  may as well cancel my membership.It does appear that USA Politics and 
  legislation has been on the forefront alot. Just asking??You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha
David Sovereen wrote: 
  I've only been on the list for about four weeks.  I learned about it at the
Mikrotik User Meeting in Dallas from a few of the other attendees.

Since I've been on, there hasn't been any discussion of what WISPA is doing
on the legislative front.  If all of the good stuff is hiding in the members
only area, and you don't tell people about the good stuff hiding in there on
your public web site, how are enticing people to join?  If you want people's
money, you need to market to them.

I finally made it through the USIIA Bulletin.  According to them, the data
retention bill isn't likely to be passed.  Quote, "The reality is that such
legislation would never pass the Congress, and that the DOJ will likely back
down from the issue in the face of public criticism and concerns."  If that
weren't the case, I'd probably get a USIIA Alert asking me to e-mail my
congresspeople.  I feel this type of information is valuable.

Dave

989-837-3790 x 151
989-837-3780 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?


  
You just need to pay attention here and on the private list.

It would be nice if someone had the time to work on the web site more.  So
that everyone would know what we're going right now!  But those of us
working are too busy doing and have no time for bragging about it.  grin

Watch and learn Dave.  One thing I'm very proud of is that WISPA has never
hid anything that it does.  We are the most open group I've ever been
around.

Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: "David Sovereen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?



  Where can I find out what WISPA's official positions are?  Where can I
  see
  

  the letters and actions WISPA has sent on behalf of its members?  The
  root
  

  of my questions is, "How do I know that the money I spend is making a
difference?"

I've joined organizations before.  I send them my check or give them a
credit card number and never hear from them again... until they want
  more
  

  money.  I don't support my local Chamber of Commerce for this exact
reason.
What does my local Chamber of Commerce do to deserve my money?  After a
year, I didn't know, so I cancelled my membership.

Dave

989-837-3790 x 151
989-837-3780 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mercury.net

129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?


  
I'm really at a bit of a loss as to how to deal with your question
David.
  

  
What's a trade association do for you?  (You being generic here)
The
  

  
idea that the question was asked indicates to me that one doesn't
understand
   

Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies

2006-06-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181



Are there any other customers on the second 
hop?

Does the same thing happen to them?

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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Scott Reed 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Double Ping 
  Replies
  This is an 802.11b hop link. It goes 9.4 miles 
  from a DLB1300 AP with 120* 14dBi sector to a 24dBi Grid on an CM9 in a RB230. 
  From there it is 2.0 miles to the customer. The AP has a 90* 9dBi (I think) on 
  a CM9. Customer is a 15dBi grid to an SB Outdoor radio. Does the 9.4 
  mile link constitute a "long link?" It appears the double ping replies are 
  only if I ping from the first AP through the other to the client. Pinging from 
  the clients near AP doesn't get the double replies. RadioMobile plot 
  of link attached. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless 
  Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net 
  -- Original Message --- From: Jack 
  Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List 
  wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:31:06 -0700 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies  Scott,  
   Excessive pings is often a symptom of a poor wireless link. I would 
   check to be sure that:   a) The customer's antenna is 
  high enough to provide a good signal back  to the access point 
b) The link is not overly long   c) There is 
  no hardware problem in their antenna system or radio.   jack 
Scott Reed wrote:   I had a customer call to say 
  there connection had not been working well   today. I started to 
  see what is going on by ping the radio. I get 2   replies for 
  almost every ping. Average was about 1 at 45ms and one at   56ms. 
  The times are longer than normal, but my question is, how do I   
  get 2 reponses to a ping? No duplicate addresses, I checked.   The 
  other way I know there were 2 pings is one of the MTs that is   
  between me and the customer showed 2 times the download as upload speed 
in torch, and I was the only one talking to that radio.  
   Suggestions on what I need to look for? Scott 
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[WISPA] Justice Department Fails to Get Agreement on Data Retention

2006-06-06 Thread Peter R.

Justice Department Fails to Get Agreement on Data Retention
  A meeting at the U.S. Justice Department to discuss forcing
Internet  providers to record Americans' online activities ended
without reaching  an agreement, according to multiple participants. The
meeting of about 15  industry representatives and 10 government
officials followed an earlier  one, at which Attorney General Alberto
Gonzales and FBI Director Robert  Mueller pressed Internet and
telecommunications companies to store data  on their users for two years.
  Read more: http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6079585.html

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Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies

2006-06-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Is this ip somehow setup as a network or broadcast IP? Ive seen that 
cause 2 ping replys


Jeromie

Scott Reed wrote:

I had a customer call to say there connection had not been working 
well today.  I started to see what is going on by ping the radio.  I 
get 2 replies for almost every ping.  Average was about 1 at 45ms and 
one at 56ms.  The times are longer than normal, but my question is, 
how do I get 2 reponses to a ping?  No duplicate addresses, I checked.
The other way I know there were 2 pings is one of the MTs that is 
between me and the customer showed 2 times the download as upload 
speed in torch, and I was the only one talking to that radio.

Suggestions on what I need to look for?

Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
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Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006

2006-06-06 Thread Ron Wallace
Yeah, JohnnyO, watch your filthy f---ing talk.
-Original Message-From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2006 11:53 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006If you object to spam as much as you say you do, then why on earth would you send that spam to a list? Get a clue. Also, watch your language.Lonnie
On 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Anyone Else receiving these from these pricks ?

JohnnyO



-Original Message-From: APGWireless Info [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:18 PMTo: 'Chris Russell'Cc: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006
Please do NOT spam me any further in the future - I'd like to be removed from any and ALL lists ya'll have harvested from the WISP online forum/lists immediately. I've asked numerous times without any success.

Regards,

JohnnyO

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Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006

2006-06-06 Thread Ron Wallace
you guys slay me, chuckle, chuckle.-Original Message-From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 5, 2006 01:02 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006To the Board:Is this behaviour condoned? Not only did he spam the list and useoffensive language, but he now slanders all Canadian companies.LonnieOn 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh my old good friend Lonnie :) How are you these days ? Get a clue . I did - don't buy from Canadian companies - they'll bend you over every chance they get :) Prick : please see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prick for a better run down on the term Lonnie. I did watch my language. Don't be so sensitive unless you fit the shoes... I know I do ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006 If you object to spam as much as you say you do, then why on earth would you send that spam to a list? Get a clue. Also, watch your language. Lonnie On 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone Else receiving these from these pricks ?   JohnnyO -Original Message-  From: APGWireless Info [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:18 PM  To: 'Chris Russell'  Cc: WISPA General List  Subject: RE: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006Please do NOT spam me any further in the future - I'd like to be removed from any and ALL lists ya'll have harvested from the WISP online forum/lists immediately. I've asked numerous times without any success.   Regards,   JohnnyO   -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- Lonnie NunweilerValemount Networks Corporationhttp://www.star-os.com/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006

2006-06-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Oh, come on...

Lonnie, you speak Canadian-eh?   and JohnnyO speaks Cajun-Redneck.

As such, everything he reads from you he responds negatively to, and
everyhing you read from him appears hostile.

Now, I doubt the WISPA board is going to try to intervene in a matter of a
Canadian-Eh? speaker and a Cajun-Redneck speaker having trouble appearing
civil, since it's mostly a matter of speaking different languages... but...

If neither of you would respond to the other, things would be peaceful-eh?




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- Original Message - 
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006


 To the Board:

 Is this behaviour condoned?  Not only did he spam the list and use
 offensive language, but he now slanders all Canadian companies.

 Lonnie

 On 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Ahhh my old good friend Lonnie :) How are you these days ? Get a clue
.
  I did - don't buy from Canadian companies - they'll bend you over every
  chance they get :)
 
  Prick : please see
  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prick for a
  better run down on the term Lonnie. I did watch my language. Don't be so
  sensitive unless you fit the shoes...
 
  I know I do !
 
 
  JohnnyO
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
  Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006
 
  If you object to spam as much as you say you do, then why on earth would
you
  send that spam to a list?  Get a clue.  Also, watch your language.
 
  Lonnie
 
 
  On 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
   Anyone Else receiving these from these pricks ?
  
   JohnnyO
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: APGWireless Info [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:18 PM
   To: 'Chris Russell'
   Cc: WISPA General List
   Subject: RE: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006
  
  
   Please do NOT spam me any further in the future - I'd like to be
removed
  from any and ALL lists ya'll have harvested from the WISP online
forum/lists
  immediately. I've asked numerous times without any success.
  
   Regards,
  
   JohnnyO
  
  
 
 
 
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