RE: [WISPA] 2.4GHz Omni in 5.8GHz
I managed to track down some small (22 x 183 mm) dual-band outdoor rated omni's with N-Male connectors for $25.00. They look ideal and are supposed to give gain of 7dBi @5GHz and 4.5dBi @2.4GHz which seem too good to be true. Anyone used these (http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_47products_id=205) before? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: 04 June 2006 01:04 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4GHz Omni in 5.8GHz I've been using 5 gig omni's from Pac Wireless for awhile now. Fairly inexpensive I believe. George Paul Hendry wrote: Ola, I’m looking at deploying a small WDS mesh using only Mikrotik in the mini-box enclosures. I want it to be 5.8GHz only to avoid future interference but I can only find cheap outdoor omni’s with N-Type at 2.4GHz. I have run a couple of 5.8GHz antennae temporarily at 2.4GHz before (obviously with a lot lower antenna gain) but never experimented with it the other way round. Any thoughts or experiences?? Cheers, P __Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd__ Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com__ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 01/06/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 01/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front
Isn't Jeffrey Thomas = Jeff Boher ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Jeffrey Thomas - DOH ! - For some reason I had Jeff Booher on the brain and made mistake of making this post ! ! ! ! Please - pretty please forgive me for mixing you up ? /me holds head down and kicks rocks JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Jeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that have never produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on your parade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, has never lived up to it's hype from what I have seen. JohnnyO Wanting to be a believer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer only need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And they also have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the tower but those Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug and power and puts The CPE near a window. I honestly doubt anyone will use them, but they Are available. So really zero truck roll? Not really as most customers will want the wisp to install it- but the major benefit is that the CPE's will not require techs to carry a pc or anything other than cabling and tools to set up the roof mount. - Jeff On 6/8/06 8:04 PM, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9 unlicensed? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless jeffrey thomas wrote: Guys, Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8. Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004 5.4-5.9 solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for their 802.16-2004 product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as the 3 plus years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone can deploy in will be available. So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as of yet, ( and they havent even decided when they will be certifying vendors ) this product will be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade for Wimax forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the 802.16-2004 spec as planned. some notes on the product: initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side of things, 600.00 / cpe 35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM full service flow integration for QOS can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment ) full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration authentication provisioning security ) color me excited :) - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front
Do it again Johnny O, I love it :-P You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha JohnnyO wrote: Jeffrey Thomas - DOH ! - For some reason I had Jeff Booher on the brain and made mistake of making this post ! ! ! ! Please - pretty please forgive me for mixing you up ? /me holds head down and kicks rocks JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Jeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that have never produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on your parade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, has never lived up to it's hype from what I have seen. JohnnyO Wanting to be a believer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer only need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And they also have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the tower but those Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug and power and puts The CPE near a window. I honestly doubt anyone will use them, but they Are available. So really zero truck roll? Not really as most customers will want the wisp to install it- but the major benefit is that the CPE's will not require techs to carry a pc or anything other than cabling and tools to set up the roof mount. - Jeff On 6/8/06 8:04 PM, "Sam Tetherow" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9 unlicensed? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless jeffrey thomas wrote: Guys, Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8. Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004 5.4-5.9 solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for their 802.16-2004 product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as the 3 plus years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone can deploy in will be available. So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as of yet, ( and they havent even decided when they will be certifying vendors ) this product will be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade for Wimax forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the 802.16-2004 spec as planned. some notes on the product: initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side of things, 600.00 / cpe 35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM full service flow integration for QOS can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment ) full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration authentication provisioning security ) color me excited :) - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front
Johnny O, - - You been thinking again! Stop it J Mac Dearman From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl A Jeptha Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Do it again Johnny O, I love it :-P You have a Good Day now,Carl A Jepthahttp://www.airnet.caoffice 905 349-2084Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900skype cajeptha JohnnyO wrote: Jeffrey Thomas - DOH ! - For some reason I had Jeff Booher on the brainand made mistake of making this post ! ! ! ! Please - pretty pleaseforgive me for mixing you up ? /me holds head down and kicks rocksJohnnyO-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of JohnnyOSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed frontJeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that havenever produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on yourparade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, hasnever lived up to it's hype from what I have seen.JohnnyOWanting to be a believer-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Jeffrey ThomasSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:22 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed frontSimple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customeronly need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. Andthey also have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from thetower but those Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plugand power and puts The CPE near a window. I honestly doubt anyone willuse them, but they Are available. So really zero truck roll? Not really as most customers will want thewisp to install it- but the major benefit is that the CPE's will notrequire techs to carry a pc or anything other than cabling and tools toset up the roof mount.-JeffOn 6/8/06 8:04 PM, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9unlicensed? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wirelessjeffrey thomas wrote: Guys,Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8.Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004 5.4-5.9solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification fortheir 802.16-2004product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as the 3 plusyears of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone can deployin will be available.So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum asof yet, ( and they havent even decided when they will be certifying vendors ) this product willbe either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade for Wimaxforum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the802.16-2004 spec as planned.some notes on the product:initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP sideof things, 600.00 / cpe 35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAMfull service flow integration for QOScan be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channelzero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment )full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configurationauthentication provisioning security )color me excited :)-Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
Virtual LAN. Imagine segregating segments of your network across a backhaul pipe so that they flow together but don't actually see each other. Managed switches have the ability to create VLANs per port. Think of it as a merger between routing and switching. Its a pipe or several inside a pipe. Tried to be simple here, I'm sure someone else can give you a more technical description. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
I understand VLAN. I have just never heard of double VLAN before. Thanks for the well written explanation of VLAN though. You did a nice job! :-) Scriv Rick Harnish wrote: Virtual LAN. Imagine segregating segments of your network across a backhaul pipe so that they flow together but don't actually see each other. Managed switches have the ability to create VLANs per port. Think of it as a merger between routing and switching. Its a pipe or several inside a pipe. Tried to be simple here, I'm sure someone else can give you a more technical description. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
QinQ? -Matt John Scrivner wrote: Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless ?
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RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front
Jeffrey Thomas = Jeff Booher Jeffrey Thomas Booher actually -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:58 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Jeffrey Thomas - DOH ! - For some reason I had Jeff Booher on the brain and made mistake of making this post ! ! ! ! Please - pretty please forgive me for mixing you up ? /me holds head down and kicks rocks JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Jeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that have never produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on your parade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, has never lived up to it's hype from what I have seen. JohnnyO Wanting to be a believer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer only need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And they also have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the tower but those Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug and power and puts The CPE near a window. I honestly doubt anyone will use them, but they Are available. So really zero truck roll? Not really as most customers will want the wisp to install it- but the major benefit is that the CPE's will not require techs to carry a pc or anything other than cabling and tools to set up the roof mount. - Jeff On 6/8/06 8:04 PM, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9 unlicensed? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless jeffrey thomas wrote: Guys, Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8. Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004 5.4-5.9 solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for their 802.16-2004 product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as the 3 plus years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone can deploy in will be available. So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as of yet, ( and they havent even decided when they will be certifying vendors ) this product will be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade for Wimax forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the 802.16-2004 spec as planned. some notes on the product: initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side of things, 600.00 / cpe 35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM full service flow integration for QOS can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment ) full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration authentication provisioning security ) color me excited :) - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
I think Jon is asking about the double VLAN -- or a q in q implementation It's extremely useful for creating virtual bridged customer networks -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device Virtual LAN. Imagine segregating segments of your network across a backhaul pipe so that they flow together but don't actually see each other. Managed switches have the ability to create VLANs per port. Think of it as a merger between routing and switching. Its a pipe or several inside a pipe. Tried to be simple here, I'm sure someone else can give you a more technical description. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
It is also referred as 802.1q tagging... If it supports multiple layers, you can have a customer VLAN tags within your network VLAN tags. Just need your equipment that takes off your tags before it gets to the customer. ATT uses the Cisco 3750 switches to do it at the customer's premises. Then the customer can have VLAN 10 at one location and VLAN 10 at another, and it is completely transparent to the end user. If that made sense. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device Google (or Cisco) is your friend http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_feature_ guid e09186a00801f0f4a.html -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
MikroTik supports this, correct? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device It is also referred as 802.1q tagging... If it supports multiple layers, you can have a customer VLAN tags within your network VLAN tags. Just need your equipment that takes off your tags before it gets to the customer. ATT uses the Cisco 3750 switches to do it at the customer's premises. Then the customer can have VLAN 10 at one location and VLAN 10 at another, and it is completely transparent to the end user. If that made sense. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device Google (or Cisco) is your friend http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_feature_ guid e09186a00801f0f4a.html -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
Thanks to all for the double VLAN explanation. That makes perfect sense to me now. Can anyone describe any functional and/or technical differences between VLANs and say MPLS or Mikrotik's EoIP? It sounds to me like all three are functional equivalents of each other. Please correct me if this is an incorrect assumption. I have Googled it so spare me the obvious. I want to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Scriv Eric Rogers wrote: It is also referred as 802.1q tagging... If it supports multiple layers, you can have a customer VLAN tags within your network VLAN tags. Just need your equipment that takes off your tags before it gets to the customer. ATT uses the Cisco 3750 switches to do it at the customer's premises. Then the customer can have VLAN 10 at one location and VLAN 10 at another, and it is completely transparent to the end user. If that made sense. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device Google (or Cisco) is your friend http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_feature_ guid e09186a00801f0f4a.html -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Coverage near Boone NC
Jeff, Try Appstate.net. They're in Boone. http://appstate.net/ jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: Sorry for the cross post. Does anyone have coverage to the east of Boone, North Carolina? My customer is high up in the hills and ATT wants $15K to bring him a T1. Jeff Jeffrey Broadwick, Sales Manager ImageStream Internet Solutions Routers for the Real World! 800-813-5123 x106 (USA) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) +1 574-935-8488(Fax) www.imagestream.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Our next WISP Workshop is June 21-22 in Atlanta, GA. http://www.ask-wi.com/2002locations.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
John Scrivner wrote: Can anyone describe any functional and/or technical differences between VLANs and say MPLS or Mikrotik's EoIP? It sounds to me like all three are functional equivalents of each other. Please correct me if this is an incorrect assumption. I have Googled it so spare me the obvious. I want to hear your thoughts. Quick dummified and (probably) wrong synopsis: VLANs generally will only work on the same network segment, and the VLAN tags would have to be recreated if you cross a router. Think of it as a way to turn one big switch into several little switches, and a fancy way to interconnect different switches. MPLS circumvents the segment boundary limits, but every router along the way has to support it. EOIP basically creates a VPN-like tunnel between two points. They're all conceptually related, in that they're different ways to try to make two remote locations transparently appear to be part of the same network domain, but they solve different problems in different ways. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
layer 2 transport (was Re: [WISPA] looking for a device)
John Scrivner wrote: Can anyone describe any functional and/or technical differences between VLANs and say MPLS or Mikrotik's EoIP? It sounds to me like all three are functional equivalents of each other. Please correct me if this is an incorrect assumption. I have Googled it so spare me the obvious. I want to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Scriv VLANs are implemented using (R)STP and they were generally described earlier. (R)STP is a broadcast protocol that allows multiple layer 2 devices to among other things be connected redundantly without causing loops. Thus, you can create a rather large and complex network where individual layer 2 networks share infrastructure, but are separated from each other. This is used by some carriers to sell layer 2 transport, which is basically a single VLAN that is trunked across the network. VLANs are not an ideal way to deal with layer 2 transport for several reasons. First, STP is very slow to deal with link state changes. Worse, STP networks get slower the larger they are. RSTP fixes some of these issues with STP, but convergence time is still too slow for most applications. Next, VLANs must be properly configured across the all devices that might be involved in the circuits delivery. Failure to properly configure the VLANs can result in your entire network failing as the links are saturated with (R)STP broadcasts. Finally, there is a finite limit on the number of VLANs you can have on any given Ethernet network. MPLS can provide layer 2 transport just like VLANs, but without all the above problems. However, MPLS is not limited to layer 2 transport. MPLS allows for transport of many protocols from Ethernet to ATM to IP. Further, MPLS TE allows for enforcement of SLAs in regards to latency, jitter, and QoS. Most interestingly though, MPLS rides on top of an IP network allowing all the benefits of a redundant IP network including sub-second convergence. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
