RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

2006-09-12 Thread Mac Dearman

 I don't think a RB532 will run 2 SR5's with a 2' patch cable and a 48VDC
power supply without s0me weirdness happening. I only put one Super Range
card in a RB532 and one Atheros or Prism card.

Mac 


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I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
I'm seeing weirdness.

Do I have enough juice

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
It's actually the ethernet port acting up.  Thought maybe it was lack of 
power.


Mac Dearman wrote:


I don't think a RB532 will run 2 SR5's with a 2' patch cable and a 48VDC
power supply without s0me weirdness happening. I only put one Super Range
card in a RB532 and one Atheros or Prism card.

Mac 



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Subject: [WISPA] MT power supplies

I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
I'm seeing weirdness.

Do I have enough juice

Brian
 


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[WISPA] Mikrotik and wep

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

Anyone know if mikrotik does shared key for wep?
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[WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

2006-09-12 Thread Mario Pommier
what would you recommend for an internal point to point link, going 50 
feet across a backyard?

need: inexpensive; needs to be wireless.
harware budget is no more than: $300.
any thoughts?

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies (long cable mode)

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

I think I found it.  Thanks, all.
I'll let you know the results.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=210highlight=long+cablesid=5d5d6558c2bc21460b84df74a2cba94b

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


I'm already at 10mb half.

Where is this long cable setting?

Brian

JohnnyO wrote:


Ethernet port acting up ? As in connecting / disconnecting ? Make sure
you have it set for long cable, if that doesn't work - disable
auto-negotiation and try 100mbps half duplex, if that don't work -
10mbps full duplex and then last try 10mbps HALF duplex..

JohnnyO


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It's actually the ethernet port acting up.  Thought maybe it was lack of

power.

Mac Dearman wrote:

 

I don't think a RB532 will run 2 SR5's with a 2' patch cable and a 
48VDC power supply without s0me weirdness happening. I only put one 
Super Range card in a RB532 and one Atheros or Prism card.


Mac


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Subject: [WISPA] MT power supplies

I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
I'm seeing weirdness.

Do I have enough juice

Brian


  



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[WISPA] RE: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAs Newest VendorMember

2006-09-12 Thread JohnnyO
Welcome aboard Harold - Very glad to see you here. Looking forward to
your participation.

Warm Regards,

JohnnyO !

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:08 AM
To: advertisements@wispa.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAs Newest
VendorMember


  I want to take a moment of your time to introduce you to Deliberant 
http://www.deliberant.com/. They are WISPA's newest Vendor Member. I 
spoke a few times with Harold Bledsoe of Deliberant and he is excited 
about the opportunities for his company to work with WISPA and all our 
members to help us promote and improve the WISP industry. I asked Harold

to send us all some introductory information about Deliberant and this 
is what he had to say:

Deliberant LLC, is one of the fastest growing wireless technology 
manufacturers and distributors in the world. Deliberant offers a 
complete line of dependable high-speed wireless equipment and 
accessories.  Headquartered in Atlanta, GA and serving WISPs in over 25 
countries, Deliberant has been providing WISPs with the proven 
technology and the expertise they need to stay ahead of the competition.
 

Deliberant offers a wide range of products that are focused on the WISP 
industry. These products range from accessories (such as surge 
protectors, pigtails, power adapters, etc.) to antennas to wireless 
indoor and outdoor radios. Deliberant also has recently added advanced 
software and VoIP products to its lineup in order to better serve the 
WISP market. Deliberant is constantly looking for new products to offer 
the WISP community and will continue to be on the cutting edge of 
technologies in order to ensure that customers have the very best on the

market


Deliberant owes its success to the commitment to provide the WISP 
industry with the highest quality and value in products and backing 
those products with exceptional customer support and business partner 
collaboration.

Harold Bledsoe

Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

http://www.deliberant.com http://www.deliberant.com/
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Re: [WISPA] RE: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAs Newest VendorMember

2006-09-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Hal,

Yay! You are a welcome addition to the list.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
NEW-ISP





JohnnyO wrote:


Welcome aboard Harold - Very glad to see you here. Looking forward to
your participation.

Warm Regards,

JohnnyO !

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:08 AM
To: advertisements@wispa.org
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Subject: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAs Newest
VendorMember


 I want to take a moment of your time to introduce you to Deliberant 
http://www.deliberant.com/. They are WISPA's newest Vendor Member. I 
spoke a few times with Harold Bledsoe of Deliberant and he is excited 
about the opportunities for his company to work with WISPA and all our 
members to help us promote and improve the WISP industry. I asked Harold


to send us all some introductory information about Deliberant and this 
is what he had to say:


Deliberant LLC, is one of the fastest growing wireless technology 
manufacturers and distributors in the world. Deliberant offers a 
complete line of dependable high-speed wireless equipment and 
accessories.  Headquartered in Atlanta, GA and serving WISPs in over 25 
countries, Deliberant has been providing WISPs with the proven 
technology and the expertise they need to stay ahead of the competition.



Deliberant offers a wide range of products that are focused on the WISP 
industry. These products range from accessories (such as surge 
protectors, pigtails, power adapters, etc.) to antennas to wireless 
indoor and outdoor radios. Deliberant also has recently added advanced 
software and VoIP products to its lineup in order to better serve the 
WISP market. Deliberant is constantly looking for new products to offer 
the WISP community and will continue to be on the cutting edge of 
technologies in order to ensure that customers have the very best on the


market


Deliberant owes its success to the commitment to provide the WISP 
industry with the highest quality and value in products and backing 
those products with exceptional customer support and business partner 
collaboration.


Harold Bledsoe

Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  


http://www.deliberant.com http://www.deliberant.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone wwant to SUBSIDIZE ATT with FREE bandwidth?

2006-09-12 Thread David E. Smith
George Rogato wrote:

 http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousivstoryID=2006-09-12T052710Z_01_N11192322_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-TELECOMS-ATT-TV-DC.XMLfrom=business

For those who can't psychically divine article content from URLs, the
article is about a service through which a few cable TV stations,
including Fox News (We report, we decide) and The Weather Channel, will
be available for $20 a month. Apparently ATT is involved somehow, but
the article is a bit unclear as to who's doing what.

I don't really see how this is, per se, subsidizing ATT. In this
instance, they're just offering a service that folks can choose to
subscribe to, or not, and that's pretty much it. They (presumably) offer
it on identical terms to both their DSL subscribers, and those who
subscribe to other ILECs' DSL packages, and cable, and WISP, and so on.

If NBC Universal offered a service where you could have episodes of
Project Runway and Battlestar Galactica streamed to your PC, would
we suddenly say we were subsidizing them? (Hey, if it keeps those shows
on the air a few more years, subsidize away ;)

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] RE: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAsNewest VendorMember

2006-09-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Welcome Harold! (and Deliberant Wireless)

Good to have you here on list with us.

Now let's see what kind of specials you have running :)

Mac Dearman






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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:17 AM
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WISPAsNewest VendorMember

Hal,

Yay! You are a welcome addition to the list.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
NEW-ISP





JohnnyO wrote:

Welcome aboard Harold - Very glad to see you here. Looking forward to
your participation.

Warm Regards,

JohnnyO !

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:08 AM
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Subject: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAs Newest
VendorMember


  I want to take a moment of your time to introduce you to Deliberant 
http://www.deliberant.com/. They are WISPA's newest Vendor Member. I 
spoke a few times with Harold Bledsoe of Deliberant and he is excited 
about the opportunities for his company to work with WISPA and all our 
members to help us promote and improve the WISP industry. I asked Harold

to send us all some introductory information about Deliberant and this 
is what he had to say:

Deliberant LLC, is one of the fastest growing wireless technology 
manufacturers and distributors in the world. Deliberant offers a 
complete line of dependable high-speed wireless equipment and 
accessories.  Headquartered in Atlanta, GA and serving WISPs in over 25 
countries, Deliberant has been providing WISPs with the proven 
technology and the expertise they need to stay ahead of the competition.
 

Deliberant offers a wide range of products that are focused on the WISP 
industry. These products range from accessories (such as surge 
protectors, pigtails, power adapters, etc.) to antennas to wireless 
indoor and outdoor radios. Deliberant also has recently added advanced 
software and VoIP products to its lineup in order to better serve the 
WISP market. Deliberant is constantly looking for new products to offer 
the WISP community and will continue to be on the cutting edge of 
technologies in order to ensure that customers have the very best on the

market


Deliberant owes its success to the commitment to provide the WISP 
industry with the highest quality and value in products and backing 
those products with exceptional customer support and business partner 
collaboration.

Harold Bledsoe

Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

http://www.deliberant.com http://www.deliberant.com/
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RE: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

2006-09-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Depending on throughput needed - two Linksys (WRTGxx) wireless routers
loaded with Linux and small directional antennas ought to do the trick.

CLARIFICATION: I have never tried the WRTGxx routers or the Linux that I
read about on line that people are loading on them. It just came to my mind
as really cheap and easy to get!! :)

Mac 



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Subject: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

what would you recommend for an internal point to point link, going 50 
feet across a backyard?
need: inexpensive; needs to be wireless.
harware budget is no more than: $300.
any thoughts?

Mario


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RE: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

2006-09-12 Thread JohnnyO
Mac - call me - it's rather urgent - 337-368-7188

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:34 AM
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Depending on throughput needed - two Linksys (WRTGxx) wireless routers
loaded with Linux and small directional antennas ought to do the trick.

CLARIFICATION: I have never tried the WRTGxx routers or the Linux that I
read about on line that people are loading on them. It just came to my
mind as really cheap and easy to get!! :)

Mac 



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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:39 AM
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what would you recommend for an internal point to point link, going 50 
feet across a backyard?
need: inexpensive; needs to be wireless.
harware budget is no more than: $300.
any thoughts?

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-12 Thread Tom DeReggi

And how are you charging the batteries?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup



I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the
options.

Brian








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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

2006-09-12 Thread John Scrivner
Get a pair of Access Points like Deliberant DLB2350 and set them to run 
WDS. Also set them to WPA personal security. Set a shared key. Total 
cost about $230.00.


If you want to use a little bit more security you can download 
FreeRadius for either Linux www.freeradius.org or Windows XP 
www.freeradius.net and set your security to WPA Enterprise. This uses 
radius user and pass as well as encryption. Each user has their own 
private encrypted session to the AP with this setup.

Presto!
Scriv


Mario Pommier wrote:

what would you recommend for an internal point to point link, going 50 
feet across a backyard?

need: inexpensive; needs to be wireless.
harware budget is no more than: $300.
any thoughts?

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone wwant to SUBSIDIZE ATT with FREE bandwidth?

2006-09-12 Thread Frank Muto
I think the point is that ATT is pushing to charge extra for additional 
bandwidth loads, e.g., Amazon, Google, Yahoo! etc, and this is where all the 
Net Neutrality crap began from.


Do you recall ATT Whitacre's nobody gets a free ride statement?
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=100380

snip Whitacre complained that some people want ATT to act as a dumb 
pipe that just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
This thing is growing at a rate that nobody would imagine, Whitacre said 
of the market demand for bandwidth. He said ATT networks are now handling 
5.6 Petabytes of data every day. There's more and more content, and you 
need more and more bandwidth, and somebody's got to build it. If you build 
it, you have to make a return on that, he continued. Nobody gets a free 
ride, that's all. /snip
So the point is, if one of your customers subscribes, can your network 
handle it? Or will you charge them extra?




Frank Muto
Co-founder -  Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA
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From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]




George Rogato wrote:


http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousivstoryID=2006-09-12T052710Z_01_N11192322_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-TELECOMS-ATT-TV-DC.XMLfrom=business


For those who can't psychically divine article content from URLs, the
article is about a service through which a few cable TV stations,
including Fox News (We report, we decide) and The Weather Channel, will
be available for $20 a month. Apparently ATT is involved somehow, but
the article is a bit unclear as to who's doing what.

I don't really see how this is, per se, subsidizing ATT. In this
instance, they're just offering a service that folks can choose to
subscribe to, or not, and that's pretty much it. They (presumably) offer
it on identical terms to both their DSL subscribers, and those who
subscribe to other ILECs' DSL packages, and cable, and WISP, and so on.

If NBC Universal offered a service where you could have episodes of
Project Runway and Battlestar Galactica streamed to your PC, would
we suddenly say we were subsidizing them? (Hey, if it keeps those shows
on the air a few more years, subsidize away ;)

David Smith
MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

Bring the charger from home.
Something comparable to this with a deep cell setting.

http://www.qvc.com/asp/frameset.asp?aol_refer=falsemsn_refer=falsenest=http://www.qvc.com/scripts/detail.dll?item=V48949!tpl=DETAIL!ref=GBAref=GBAcm_ven=
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Tom DeReggi wrote:


And how are you charging the batteries?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
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I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the
options.

Brian




 





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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Has this unit added support for abilty to notify (Email) remote admin (ISP) 
when status is changed to battery?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup



Ah, we are running a newer Web Firmware..  Don't suppose you have the old
firmware?

Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500
Firmware revision: l1
Web firmware revision: l4

-Russ

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:50 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Hello Russ,

I believe the same as Rick...APC BH500NET.  Nice little units, but I wish
they had an Ethernet switch built-in rather than just a port.  In all
honesty I don't think I'd want production traffic passing through a UPS
anyway, so the single port is fine.

Technical Parameters
Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500
Serial number: AB0**
Firmware revision: l1
Web firmware revision: l2
UPS date of manufacture (mm-dd-): 06-18-2004  Battery replacement date
(mm-dd-): 11-15-2004

Current Status
  Battery status: Charged
  Last transfer to battery was caused by: Blackout
  Result of last self-test is: None

 Load on Battery Backup
  Your battery backup is currently providing: 140 Watts
  Power Source: On-Line
  Battery Capacity: 100%
  Available Runtime: 12min


Guess I've had this one for a bit longer than I remember...looks like we
installed it 11-15-2004.  It's running a P4 MikroTik multi-interface 
router

along with several Trango radios at a remote HUB.

Best,


Brad







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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup


Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



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Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a 
web

interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in 
a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice 
little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this 
unit

and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption.

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you 
cannot

assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included 
pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is 
an

option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner type
disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do something like
this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more efficient, maybe
cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the options.

Brian

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RE: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

2006-09-12 Thread Mac Dearman
That would be 100 X the solution of Linksys anything!!!

Good call John.

Mac 


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Get a pair of Access Points like Deliberant DLB2350 and set them to run 
WDS. Also set them to WPA personal security. Set a shared key. Total 
cost about $230.00.

If you want to use a little bit more security you can download 
FreeRadius for either Linux www.freeradius.org or Windows XP 
www.freeradius.net and set your security to WPA Enterprise. This uses 
radius user and pass as well as encryption. Each user has their own 
private encrypted session to the AP with this setup.
Presto!
Scriv


Mario Pommier wrote:

 what would you recommend for an internal point to point link, going 50 
 feet across a backyard?
 need: inexpensive; needs to be wireless.
 harware budget is no more than: $300.
 any thoughts?

 Mario


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RE: [WISPA] RE: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant asWISPAsNewest VendorMember

2006-09-12 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Thanks for all the warm welcomes!  :-)  I'm happy to be here!

-Hal


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Welcome Harold! (and Deliberant Wireless)

Good to have you here on list with us.

Now let's see what kind of specials you have running :)

Mac Dearman






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Hal,

Yay! You are a welcome addition to the list.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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JohnnyO wrote:

Welcome aboard Harold - Very glad to see you here. Looking forward to
your participation.

Warm Regards,

JohnnyO !

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:08 AM
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VendorMember


  I want to take a moment of your time to introduce you to Deliberant 
http://www.deliberant.com/. They are WISPA's newest Vendor Member. I 
spoke a few times with Harold Bledsoe of Deliberant and he is excited 
about the opportunities for his company to work with WISPA and all our 
members to help us promote and improve the WISP industry. I asked
Harold

to send us all some introductory information about Deliberant and this 
is what he had to say:

Deliberant LLC, is one of the fastest growing wireless technology 
manufacturers and distributors in the world. Deliberant offers a 
complete line of dependable high-speed wireless equipment and 
accessories.  Headquartered in Atlanta, GA and serving WISPs in over 25

countries, Deliberant has been providing WISPs with the proven 
technology and the expertise they need to stay ahead of the
competition.
 

Deliberant offers a wide range of products that are focused on the WISP

industry. These products range from accessories (such as surge 
protectors, pigtails, power adapters, etc.) to antennas to wireless 
indoor and outdoor radios. Deliberant also has recently added advanced 
software and VoIP products to its lineup in order to better serve the 
WISP market. Deliberant is constantly looking for new products to offer

the WISP community and will continue to be on the cutting edge of 
technologies in order to ensure that customers have the very best on
the

market


Deliberant owes its success to the commitment to provide the WISP 
industry with the highest quality and value in products and backing 
those products with exceptional customer support and business partner 
collaboration.

Harold Bledsoe

Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

http://www.deliberant.com http://www.deliberant.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: BID TOMORROW: Telogy Auction of 3800 Items of Electronic Test Equipment

2006-09-12 Thread Jeremy Davis

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

fyi
 
They have a few spectrum analyzers for sale here.
Just becareful, some of them wont work.  I used to buy them all of them 
time to repair.


Jeremy

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[WISPA] ISPCON

2006-09-12 Thread John Scrivner
Hi guys. I just wanted you guys to know that Matt Larsen and I will be 
speaking at ISPCON together. We will get you more details soon. This has 
just been decided.  WISPA will have a pretty big presence there I think. 
I believe Tom DeReggi said he is speaking also? I know Tom is coming. 
Tom, tell us what you will be doing when you know for sure. I am talking 
to Jon Price and others to get some full-conference discounts for WISPA 
paid members. This is going to happen! I will get you guys a code to use 
for that soon. Stay tuned for more.

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RE: [WISPA] Anyone wwant to SUBSIDIZE ATT with FREE bandwidth?

2006-09-12 Thread Brad Larson
David, let's keep this board non-political except relating to internet or
frequency issues . Saying including Fox News (We report, we decide) just
didn't need to be said. TIA, Brad

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George Rogato wrote:


http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousivstoryID=2006-0
9-12T052710Z_01_N11192322_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-TELECOMS-ATT-TV-DC.XMLfrom=
business

For those who can't psychically divine article content from URLs, the
article is about a service through which a few cable TV stations,
including Fox News (We report, we decide) and The Weather Channel, will
be available for $20 a month. Apparently ATT is involved somehow, but
the article is a bit unclear as to who's doing what.

I don't really see how this is, per se, subsidizing ATT. In this
instance, they're just offering a service that folks can choose to
subscribe to, or not, and that's pretty much it. They (presumably) offer
it on identical terms to both their DSL subscribers, and those who
subscribe to other ILECs' DSL packages, and cable, and WISP, and so on.

If NBC Universal offered a service where you could have episodes of
Project Runway and Battlestar Galactica streamed to your PC, would
we suddenly say we were subsidizing them? (Hey, if it keeps those shows
on the air a few more years, subsidize away ;)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2006-09-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I'll be there (95% sure anyway) as well.  And this time I'm not speaking!  I 
get to go and learn!  whoo hooo


For those that don't know  It's on the 7th - 9th of November.
http://www.ispcon.com/

laters,
Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


Hi guys. I just wanted you guys to know that Matt Larsen and I will be 
speaking at ISPCON together. We will get you more details soon. This has 
just been decided.  WISPA will have a pretty big presence there I think. I 
believe Tom DeReggi said he is speaking also? I know Tom is coming. Tom, 
tell us what you will be doing when you know for sure. I am talking to Jon 
Price and others to get some full-conference discounts for WISPA paid 
members. This is going to happen! I will get you guys a code to use for 
that soon. Stay tuned for more.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

2006-09-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Linksys ap and any ol cpe device (even a laptop) should do the trick unless 
the buildings are made out of 6' thick concrete.  We regularly get more than 
50' from the aps.


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point



Depending on throughput needed - two Linksys (WRTGxx) wireless routers
loaded with Linux and small directional antennas ought to do the trick.

CLARIFICATION: I have never tried the WRTGxx routers or the Linux that I
read about on line that people are loading on them. It just came to my 
mind

as really cheap and easy to get!! :)

Mac



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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:39 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

what would you recommend for an internal point to point link, going 50
feet across a backyard?
need: inexpensive; needs to be wireless.
harware budget is no more than: $300.
any thoughts?

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone wwant to SUBSIDIZE ATT with FREE bandwidth?

2006-09-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

We've had a data cap in place since day one here.  Bring on the iptv!

Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone wwant to SUBSIDIZE ATT with FREE bandwidth?



I would deal with it by a data transfer cap.  Charge more when they
exceed a normal amount.  I need to be able to oversell my bandwidth
and if everyone used their speed to its max, I would not be able
supply a good service for the price I charge.

The good thing is that if everyone watches TV using the Internet then
soon you'll have the TV stations providing Internet with their unused
bandwidth.

Lonnie

On 9/12/06, Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think the point is that ATT is pushing to charge extra for additional
bandwidth loads, e.g., Amazon, Google, Yahoo! etc, and this is where all 
the

Net Neutrality crap began from.

Do you recall ATT Whitacre's nobody gets a free ride statement?
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=100380

snip Whitacre complained that some people want ATT to act as a dumb
pipe that just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
This thing is growing at a rate that nobody would imagine, Whitacre 
said
of the market demand for bandwidth. He said ATT networks are now 
handling

5.6 Petabytes of data every day. There's more and more content, and you
need more and more bandwidth, and somebody's got to build it. If you 
build

it, you have to make a return on that, he continued. Nobody gets a free
ride, that's all. /snip
So the point is, if one of your customers subscribes, can your network
handle it? Or will you charge them extra?



Frank Muto
Co-founder -  Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA
www.wbia.us












- Original Message -
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 George Rogato wrote:

 
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousivstoryID=2006-09-12T052710Z_01_N11192322_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-TELECOMS-ATT-TV-DC.XMLfrom=business

 For those who can't psychically divine article content from URLs, the
 article is about a service through which a few cable TV stations,
 including Fox News (We report, we decide) and The Weather Channel, will
 be available for $20 a month. Apparently ATT is involved somehow, but
 the article is a bit unclear as to who's doing what.

 I don't really see how this is, per se, subsidizing ATT. In this
 instance, they're just offering a service that folks can choose to
 subscribe to, or not, and that's pretty much it. They (presumably) 
 offer

 it on identical terms to both their DSL subscribers, and those who
 subscribe to other ILECs' DSL packages, and cable, and WISP, and so on.

 If NBC Universal offered a service where you could have episodes of
 Project Runway and Battlestar Galactica streamed to your PC, would
 we suddenly say we were subsidizing them? (Hey, if it keeps those shows
 on the air a few more years, subsidize away ;)

 David Smith
 MVN.net

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[WISPA] Projected Schedule for Proceeding on Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands

2006-09-12 Thread Matt Liotta

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1813A1.pdf
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[WISPA] St. Cloud Says 77% of Households Registered

2006-09-12 Thread Peter R.

http://wifinetnews.com/archives/006951.html

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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2006-09-12 Thread Peter R.

You should see about getting a room for 30 minutes for a WISPA Meeting.

See you there!

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread John Scrivner
I would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another 
company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built 
and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of 
technology. A converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS 
or sniffing capabilities required in the NPRM. If we are going to become 
part of the solution then we need to have something capable of doing 
what is being asked in the NPRM.

Scriv


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Hi All,

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1813A1.doc

Looks like we're still TWO years away from being able to use the white 
spaces.  In a month we'll see the first draft rules from the FCC.


It looks like what they want to do is to get some testing data.  I'd 
like to propose to them that we be allowed to build a few test systems 
using 2.4 ghz to tv band converters.  Similar to the 2.4 to 900mhz 
converters.


I think it's important to have the support of WISPA on this, officially.

Thoughts?
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Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber deployment

2006-09-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
The second we get 70-80Ghz down under $15,000, it will start to get 
interesting.


I've ran into very few places that Fiber can't be run less than 1/2 mile 
cheaper than buying GB wireless.
The only real sale strategy for GB at its existing cost, is Speed of 
Install.  For those who can't afford the 3-6 months to organize getting 
their fiber pulled.
Now the second you can Span over 3 mile reliably, which 70-80Ghz can do, it 
gets more exciting. But at $40 grand, thats a tough sale, in Tier1 markets.

At $500 a month for fiber, thats a 6 year ROI on the GB wireless gear.

The advantage of Pencil Beam GB products is that a lot of links can be 
simultaneously deployed in an area.  Making it so expensive takes away the 
abilty to use the technology to its potential, and used for the rare 
backhaul link.


GB wireless should be being used for mass deployment of PTP in Urban 
America. For that, it needs a price point under $10 grand, in my mind.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber deployment


Licensed 70 to 80 GHz actually has less oxygen absorption of the signal 
than 60 GHz (by several orders of magnitude). If you are providing a 
Service Level Agreement with 5 - 9's or better % uptime then you should 
stick with a licensed product IMO. As Matt states below, both companies 
offer a licensed product. Depending on the rainfall annually where you are 
deploying you may get nearly the same uptime in 60 GHz, especially since 
it is just 0.4 miles. I would research before making a choice though if 
uptime requirements are strict.


Remember to make sure you research your connection into the network also. 
Your point of demarcation will need to be identified. In many cases it is 
a port from the switch that you would provide. Make sure you select a 
switch compatible with the radio product you launch. If they provide the 
switch demarc point then make sure it is on the list of tested and known 
good hardware for connecting to the link you setup.


Before quoting the product make sure you remember things like back-up 
power, downlead selection, surge and lightning suppression, stand-by spare 
radios for replacement, etc. Ask to see the software management interfaces 
for the radios being considered. If you buy radios that work but you 
cannot diagnose what is wrong when they break then you have a problem. It 
is not like you will have a 60 to 90 GHz signal meter or spectrum analyzer 
anytime soon so the software management interface is very important. If 
you do not address these things now then you will be sorry later.


If I were you I would at least get a quote or two from fiber construction 
companies to see if a fiber could be built for same or less money. 
Depending on the location this might be the more efficient solution.


That is the biggest beef I have with the millimeter-wave crowd right now. 
They try to think in terms of how much money they can squeeze out for each 
single link sale instead of looking at the mass potential if we could all 
get our hands on low-cost Gigabit backhaul to all of our towers. Ken and I 
have been beating this into their brains now for a couple of years. It 
will sink in someday when they think it is their idea.   :-)   jk

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

We deploy BrideWave gear and have been happy with it. BridgeWave also has 
a licensed radio operating in the 80Ghz range.


-Matt

Mario Pommier wrote:


This is a new area of wireless deployment for me:
I've been asked to quote for a gigabit wireless link between a radiology 
department and a nearby hospital (0.4 miles).

I'm aware of two options so far, and here's some info I've gathered:
-- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; ~$6,000 
5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps
-- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link (includes 
$1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 2.7Gbps release 
by Dec. 2006.


I know Bob Moldashel said he has installed the Bridgewave.
Anyone care to comment on any experience you've had with these 
companies?


Thanks a lot.

Mario





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RE: [WISPA] ISPCON

2006-09-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Well - there goes the ISPCON neighborhood if Jeff will be there!!

I am trying to make plans as I sit here now. 

Anyone going that may want to share a room with me? 

I don't snore, drink, smoke, stay out/up late, leave clothes on the bed,
towels on the bathroom floor, eat late at night, put food in the waste can,
leave the TV on all night or have any fun at these conferences.

BEWARE

Mac 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON

See you there...booth 508.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

I'll be there (95% sure anyway) as well.  And this time I'm not speaking!  I
get to go and learn!  whoo hooo

For those that don't know  It's on the 7th - 9th of November.
http://www.ispcon.com/

laters,
Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


 Hi guys. I just wanted you guys to know that Matt Larsen and I will be 
 speaking at ISPCON together. We will get you more details soon. This has 
 just been decided.  WISPA will have a pretty big presence there I think. I

 believe Tom DeReggi said he is speaking also? I know Tom is coming. Tom, 
 tell us what you will be doing when you know for sure. I am talking to Jon

 Price and others to get some full-conference discounts for WISPA paid 
 members. This is going to happen! I will get you guys a code to use for 
 that soon. Stay tuned for more.
 Scriv
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RE: [WISPA] ISPCON

2006-09-12 Thread Jeff Broadwick
:-p 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:58 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON

Well - there goes the ISPCON neighborhood if Jeff will be there!!

I am trying to make plans as I sit here now. 

Anyone going that may want to share a room with me? 

I don't snore, drink, smoke, stay out/up late, leave clothes on the bed,
towels on the bathroom floor, eat late at night, put food in the waste can,
leave the TV on all night or have any fun at these conferences.

BEWARE

Mac 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON

See you there...booth 508.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

I'll be there (95% sure anyway) as well.  And this time I'm not speaking!  I
get to go and learn!  whoo hooo

For those that don't know  It's on the 7th - 9th of November.
http://www.ispcon.com/

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


 Hi guys. I just wanted you guys to know that Matt Larsen and I will be 
 speaking at ISPCON together. We will get you more details soon. This 
 has just been decided.  WISPA will have a pretty big presence there I 
 think. I

 believe Tom DeReggi said he is speaking also? I know Tom is coming. 
 Tom, tell us what you will be doing when you know for sure. I am 
 talking to Jon

 Price and others to get some full-conference discounts for WISPA paid 
 members. This is going to happen! I will get you guys a code to use 
 for that soon. Stay tuned for more.
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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2006-09-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

That is great news to see that WISPA will have a strong presence at ISPCON.
Unfortunately Ken and I will not be able to make it. :-(
Have one or two or three for me.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
NEW-ISP



John Scrivner wrote:

Hi guys. I just wanted you guys to know that Matt Larsen and I will be 
speaking at ISPCON together. We will get you more details soon. This 
has just been decided.  WISPA will have a pretty big presence there I 
think. I believe Tom DeReggi said he is speaking also? I know Tom is 
coming. Tom, tell us what you will be doing when you know for sure. I 
am talking to Jon Price and others to get some full-conference 
discounts for WISPA paid members. This is going to happen! I will get 
you guys a code to use for that soon. Stay tuned for more.

Scriv



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Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Ron Wallace
Yea, Scriv you are right - forget my screwball ideas.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 01:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guysI would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of technology. A converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS or sniffing capabilities required in the NPRM. If we are going to become part of the solution then we need to have something capable of doing what is being asked in the NPRM.ScrivMarlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1813A1.doc Looks like we're still TWO years away from being able to use the white  spaces. In a month we'll see the first draft rules from the FCC. It looks like what they want to do is to get some testing data. I'd  like to propose to them that we be allowed to build a few test systems  using 2.4 ghz to tv band converters. Similar to the 2.4 to 900mhz  converters. I think it's important to have the support of WISPA on this, officially. Thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone wwant to SUBSIDIZE ATT with FREE bandwidth?

2006-09-12 Thread Sam Tetherow
Where did you find the 500k minimum requirement?  I looked on 
att.mobitv.com and couldn't find any speed requirement or average 
bandwidth usage.  From the looks of the channel lineup I can see that it 
could be significantly less as some of the channels are designed 
specifically for mobile usage.


I'm not sure how we are subsidizing ATT any more than I am subsidizing 
google, youtube or any other content provider.  In this case ATT and 
mobitv are partnered and acting as a content provider.


I think wireless providers are in a better situation to handle this type 
of bandwidth than DSL providers are.  It is a heck of a lot easier for 
me to throw up another AP than it is for the telco to throw in another 
DSLAM to handle the load, especially when the 5.4 band is finalized.


That being said I don't really see this as much of an issue.  It is 
another stab at a video service but I doubt it will get much traction 
due to the limitations:

- Limited channel lineup
- Limited usage, 1 PC/$20 account
- 30 minute Are you still watching? timeout

If someone wants to offer a TV service that will REALLY take off and eat 
my BW.  What is needed is video on demand.  TV shows timeshifted for my 
viewing schedule, possibly on a subscription basis (I subscribe  to 24 
and they record it for me) or even better would be just record 
everything and offer it all for download for the next X hours/days.  Add 
in an affordable commercial skip and it will really take off.


For movies on demand I think cinemanow is offering this type of service, 
but there are several restrictions for the DRM model which makes it 
unappealing to me (Windows required).


But I really don't see a mass rejection of dish or cable TV, both of 
those mediums were designed to deliver video and are best suited for 
it.  They offer the highest quality signal and the easiest user 
interface along with the broadest channel selection and at a reasonable 
price point.  What exactly am I getting from TV over my broadband 
connection other than the G-Whiz factor.  It slows my internet 
connection and delivers a lower quality signal.  The biggest benefits I 
am seeing from IPTV at this point are in the independant media 
department with shows like systm and Hak5 and the like.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless


George Rogato wrote:

Bingo Frank Muto!

Exactly my point. (figured I would stir the pot up, it has been quiet 
lately)


This is a new approach to delivering cable tv. Across your network to 
reach their customer. Would be ok if it was a minimum bandwidth 
consumption like Vonage, but, it's not, it's 500kbps MINIMUM.
It's 500k minimum continuous load across your network for each of your 
customers who subscribe to their 20.00 per month service.


How many customers would it take to slow down your network err 
Access Point?


On my network, maybe 5 to 10 or so before my subs will no longer see 
that snappy 4 megs that I offer.


And bitcaps, sort of like tying a rope around your neck and being 
asked to walk this way, please.



I think Apple has something similar comming down the pipe, not sure 
though. They at least will be connecting the computer to the TV.


George





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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2006-09-12 Thread Sam Tetherow
Only way I am going to make it is if I can get someone to buy the Envoy 
I won last time so I can subsidize my ticket price, that and get some 
people to pay up on the blackmail money from various 'con pictures I 
have threatened to circulate on the lists


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Jeff Broadwick wrote:

See you there...booth 508.

Jeff
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

I'll be there (95% sure anyway) as well.  And this time I'm not speaking!  I
get to go and learn!  whoo hooo

For those that don't know  It's on the 7th - 9th of November.
http://www.ispcon.com/

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


  
Hi guys. I just wanted you guys to know that Matt Larsen and I will be 
speaking at ISPCON together. We will get you more details soon. This has 
just been decided.  WISPA will have a pretty big presence there I think. I



  
believe Tom DeReggi said he is speaking also? I know Tom is coming. Tom, 
tell us what you will be doing when you know for sure. I am talking to Jon



  
Price and others to get some full-conference discounts for WISPA paid 
members. This is going to happen! I will get you guys a code to use for 
that soon. Stay tuned for more.

Scriv
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[WISPA] EC profile

2006-09-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Hi All,

I don't know what other ones are out there yet but ISP-Planet is writing 
profiles on the distributors we use.  Here's the one that Jeff G. did on EC.


http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/equipment/distributors/electro-comm.html

If anyone knows of others that have been done, I'd like to read them all.

laters,
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Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Ron Wallace
Here is the relevant paragraph.

"The Notice proposed to require that fixed unlicensed devices incorporate a geo-location method such as GPS or be professionally installed, and that they access a database to identify vacant channels at their location. It proposed to require that portable unlicensed devices operate only when they receive a control signal from a source such as an FM or TV station that identifies the vacant TV channels in that particular area. The Commission also sought comment on the use of spectrum sensing to identify vacant TV channels, but did not propose any specific technical requirements for devices that use spectrum sensing."
The GPS requirement does not seem to present a problem, for Fixed Wireless, many GPs devices cna be incorporated into any PC. As for a data base that exists and is available from Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or could be accomodated to ID vacant channels at a given location. If this is all that is required the information is already available.

For "Portable Unlicensed devices" the requirement is more difficult, I admit. But to runa test for fixed unlicensed devices this should be much more straight forward.

What do you guys think?
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 01:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guysI would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of technology. A converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS or sniffing capabilities required in the NPRM. If we are going to become part of the solution then we need to have something capable of doing what is being asked in the NPRM.ScrivMarlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1813A1.doc Looks like we're still TWO years away from being able to use the white  spaces. In a month we'll see the first draft rules from the FCC. It looks like what they want to do is to get some testing data. I'd  like to propose to them that we be allowed to build a few test systems  using 2.4 ghz to tv band converters. Similar to the 2.4 to 900mhz  converters. I think it's important to have the support of WISPA on this, officially. Thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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[WISPA] Can this be done?

2006-09-12 Thread Jason Hensley



I'm current setup witha tower at my NOC 
runningTranzeo2.4, WDS with a Tranzeo 2.4 on a water tower 
about1/2 mile away, and then a Tranzeo 5.8 backhaul from the water tower 
to a third POP about 8 miles away. No LOS from the NOC to the third 
POP.

Thebackhaul from thewater tower 
to3rd tower is using TR-5a-24f's. Works great. 5a on the water 
tower is in AP mode, 5a on the other POP is a client. Now, I need 
toget rid of my WDS setup for obvious reasons.I can get good 
signalwith another TR-5a at the NOC to the 5a on the water tower. 
But, I can't seem to get data to pass all the wayfrom the third POP to the 
NOC. I'm guessing thatthe AP being in the middle is causing 
this,correct?Everything is bridged at this point. Can I 
make thiswork or am I going to have to put another backhaul unit on the 
WTfor a linkbetween the NOC and WT?

Thanks!


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RE: [WISPA] Can this be done?

2006-09-12 Thread Mac Dearman








Jason,





 It ought to work like a charm. It sounds
like maybe a bad gateway set in the BH unit or an Ethernet mismatch maybe or
even a port on a switch.



Did you check that link on the ground and
pass data through it? Like surf the net before hanging them in the air





Mac 

















From:
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006
3:36 PM
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 General List
Subject: [WISPA] Can this be done?







I'm current setup witha tower at my NOC
runningTranzeo2.4, WDS with a Tranzeo 2.4 on a water tower
about1/2 mile away, and then a Tranzeo 5.8 backhaul from the water tower
to a third POP about 8 miles away. No LOS from the NOC to the third
POP.











Thebackhaul from thewater tower to3rd
tower is using TR-5a-24f's. Works great. 5a on the water tower is
in AP mode, 5a on the other POP is a client. Now, I need toget rid
of my WDS setup for obvious reasons.I can get good signalwith
another TR-5a at the NOC to the 5a on the water tower. But, I can't seem
to get data to pass all the wayfrom the third POP to the NOC. I'm
guessing thatthe AP being in the middle is causing this,correct?Everything
is bridged at this point. Can I make thiswork or am I going to have
to put another backhaul unit on the WTfor a linkbetween the NOC and
WT?











Thanks!




















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Re: [WISPA] Can this be done?

2006-09-12 Thread Jason Hensley
Thanks John.  I wondered that.  I need to route my whole setup anyway, just 
haven't been able to make the time to do that.  Everything is bridged at the 
moment in the WDS setup and it works fine.  I figured the 5a's would do the 
same but I'm having trouble with the AP where it is.  I know that if the AP 
was at the NOC then all would be fine, but I can't do that because of LOS 
issues.


I appreciate your feedback as well.


- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can this be done?


You will need to route these links. Then it will work. The Tranzeos are 
NOT transparent bridges. They do support proxy arp but this breaks a 
bridge after multiple links. At least that has been my experience. Try 
routed links and I bet this all works for you.

Scriv


Jason Hensley wrote:

I'm current setup with a tower at my NOC running Tranzeo 2.4, WDS with a 
Tranzeo 2.4 on a water tower about 1/2 mile away, and then a Tranzeo 5.8 
backhaul from the water tower to a third POP about 8 miles away.  No LOS 
from the NOC to the third POP.  The backhaul from the water tower to 3rd 
tower is using TR-5a-24f's.  Works great.  5a on the water tower is in AP 
mode, 5a on the other POP is a client.  Now, I need to get rid of my WDS 
setup for obvious reasons.  I can get good signal with another TR-5a at 
the NOC to the 5a on the water tower.  But, I can't seem to get data to 
pass all the way from the third POP to the NOC.  I'm guessing that the AP 
being in the middle is causing this, correct?  Everything is bridged at 
this point.  Can I make this work or am I going to have to put another 
backhaul unit on the WT for a link between the NOC and WT?

 Thanks!



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Re: [WISPA] SR9 Performance

2006-09-12 Thread Tom DeReggi

So what Power Supply has won your first pick approval?
(between 21-28V)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR9 Performance



No, not 48V yet.  We are very happy with the current stuff, especially
since they handle 2 SR9 and 2 WLM54 cards.  Any power supply gets a
lot of testing by me before I commit to it.  I only change when there
is a good reason and simply because there is a new power supply is not
a good reason.

Lonnie

On 9/5/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
  We run from
 24V solar, so the voltage goes from 21V to 28V depending on state of
 charge and battery.
 Lonnie

Are the 533 boards rated for 48 volts yet?

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Re: [WISPA] SR9 Performance

2006-09-12 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

By power supply I am talking about the on board power supply.  My
first pick for external supply is solar charger to 24V batteries.

Lonnie

On 9/12/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So what Power Supply has won your first pick approval?
(between 21-28V)

Tom DeReggi
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 No, not 48V yet.  We are very happy with the current stuff, especially
 since they handle 2 SR9 and 2 WLM54 cards.  Any power supply gets a
 lot of testing by me before I commit to it.  I only change when there
 is a good reason and simply because there is a new power supply is not
 a good reason.

 Lonnie

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 Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
   We run from
  24V solar, so the voltage goes from 21V to 28V depending on state of
  charge and battery.
  Lonnie

 Are the 533 boards rated for 48 volts yet?

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Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

I climbed and swapped RB532 and it is still messing up.
Exact cable length is 265ft.  Eth port to poe injector.

How do I figure out if this is too far for 2 sr5?
This is running nstream.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power 
side of things?

I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
confirm power first.


Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
I'm seeing weirdness.

Do I have enough juice

Brian




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RE: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Webster



Ron,
 Where did this relevant paragraph come from? I like the mention of 
me but I can't take credit for it. I use the information from the FCC data, just 
happen to be pretty good at mapping the information. Most people could do a 
simple search channel by channel in the FCC database and get maps. This 
requirement should be easy to meet. I have said before that we should also be 
able to use the methods yet to be approved for 5.4 GHz stuff. If it's good 
enough not to broadcast over radar it should work for TV stations too. The idea 
of some FM or TV station sending some control signal scares me. That's like 
leaving the mouse in charge of the cheese factory. Who gets a say in what they 
put on that control channel. Spectrum sensing should be a no brainer and would 
work fine. It still irks the crap out of me that they worry about this anyway. 
So few people receive signals off the air that they won't notice any low power 
spread spectrum signals. Politicsat least all these failed 
muni projects will force some spectrum policy though. It'll take a couple of 
years but it'll happen.

Thank You,
Brian Webster

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  -Original Message-From: Ron Wallace 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 
  4:25 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] tv 
  white spaces update and a question for you guys
  Here is the relevant paragraph.
  
  "The Notice proposed to require that fixed 
  unlicensed devices incorporate a geo-location method such as GPS or be 
  professionally installed, and that they access a database to identify vacant 
  channels at their location. It proposed to require that portable 
  unlicensed devices operate only when they receive a control signal from a 
  source such as an FM or TV station that identifies the vacant TV channels in 
  that particular area. The Commission also sought comment on the use of 
  spectrum sensing to identify vacant TV channels, but did not propose any 
  specific technical requirements for devices that use spectrum 
  sensing."
  The GPS requirement does not seem to present a 
  problem, for Fixed Wireless, many GPs devices cna be incorporated into any 
  PC. As for a data base that exists and is available from Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] , 
  or could be accomodated to ID vacant channels at a given location. If 
  this is all that is required the information is already 
available.
  
  For "Portable Unlicensed devices" the 
  requirement is more difficult, I admit. But to runa test for fixed 
  unlicensed devices this should be much more straight forward.
  
  What do you guys think?
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  Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: 
  John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 
  2006 01:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv 
  white spaces update and a question for you guysI would think a 
  better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is 
  already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs 
  become the operations portion of a test for this type of technology. A 
  converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS or sniffing 
  capabilities required in the NPRM. If we are going to become part of 
  the solution then we need to have something capable of doing what is 
  being asked in the NPRM.ScrivMarlon K. Schafer 
  (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, 
  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1813A1.doc 
  Looks like we're still TWO years away from being able to use the white 
   spaces. In a month we'll see the first draft rules from the 
  FCC. It looks like what they want to do is to get some 
  testing data. I'd  like to propose to them that we be allowed to 
  build a few test systems  using 2.4 ghz to tv band converters. 
  Similar to the 2.4 to 900mhz  converters. 
  I think it's important to have the support of WISPA on this, 
  officially. Thoughts? Marlon 
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RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

2006-09-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Brian,

Have you tried to turn the power down on the SR5's to see if that's the
problem?

Mac Dearman

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

I climbed and swapped RB532 and it is still messing up.
Exact cable length is 265ft.  Eth port to poe injector.

How do I figure out if this is too far for 2 sr5?
This is running nstream.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power 
 side of things?
 I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

 Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
 confirm power first.

 Brian

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
 I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
 I'm seeing weirdness.

 Do I have enough juice

 Brian


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