Re: [WISPA] I need a climber / tower maintainer...

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I don't know if things have been arranged yet.

Are you in the area?




+++
neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington
email me at mark at neofast dot net
541-969-8200
Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a climber / tower maintainer...


 Mark, Do you still have a need for these services?

 Regards,

 Mike


 I need someone who will do some reasonably priced tower climbing  AND
 maintain a sadly neglected tower.The guys are not properly  tensioned,
 and haven't been since it was erected some 5 - 7 years  ago.

 I want to put stuff on this tower, but I refuse to be responsible  for
 damage, should something happen because of the improper guy tension,  etc.

 http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/klrftrans.jpg

 The tower  owners / station managers have asked for references for someone
to
 do  this.

 How do I go about finding people?   I don't see nuttin  the yellow pages.


 This is for Eastern  Oregon.

 Mark








 -- 
 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


[WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among Industrialized Nations

2006-09-18 Thread Dawn DiPietro

U.S. Still Lags In Broadband Access
Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among Industrialized Nations
By Martin H. Bosworth
ConsumerAffairs.Com

September 17, 2006

The constant refrain of major telecommunications and cable companies is 
that there's heavy competition for the Internet user's dollar.


But heavy competition doesn't mean being able to choose only between 
Comcast and Verizon, and a newly published report reminds us that the 
United States still lags far behind the rest of the world in providing 
affordable broadband to its citizens.


Broadband Reality Check II, an update to a report published last year 
by Consumers Union, the Consumer Federation of America, and media policy 
group Free Press, found that the United States continues to promote 
duopolies between major telecom and cable providers as real competition, 
that the level of Americans' access to the Internet can be severely 
restricted by income level and geographic area, and that the FCC uses 
misleading statistics to claim that competition is healthy for consumers.


America appears to be a land of broadband haves and have-nots, where 
rural and low-income citizens are left behind in the information 
economy, the report stated. This situation is the result of failed 
policy and a lack of imagination and vision from our policymakers.


Among the report's findings:

• The United States continues to rank 16th among industrialized nations 
for broadband development and penetration. Not only that, but broadband 
customers in countries such as Japan and South Korea enjoy broadband 
speeds that are hundreds of times faster, and can enjoy bundled 
television, phone, and Internet services for $25-$35 dollars, roughly 
the same price as a standalone U.S. broadband connection.


• The U.S. broadband market is essentially a series of regional 
duopolies, with the top four cable and telephone companies -- Comcast, 
Verizon, ATT, and Time Warner -- controlling over 83 percent of the 
entire broadband market, while buyouts and mergers of companies like 
ATT and BellSouth serve to reduce actual competitive markets even more.


• The FCC continues to use ZIP codes that register one broadband 
provider as proof that broadband penetration is comprehensive across the 
U.S. But a recent report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) 
found that the ZIP code method didn't account for the lack of more than 
one provider in any given region.


• The GAO also found that rural households and families with incomes of 
less than $30,000 were four times less likely to have broadband Internet 
access than urban households or those with incomes $75,000 and higher. A 
full third of American households are still stuck with dial-up as their 
only choice for Internet access.


The report comes at a time when telecommunications issues are very much 
on the minds of lawmakers. The massive update to the Telecommunications 
Act of 1996 had many provisions to address broadband access, most of 
which favored the duopoly system, and seemed ready to pass both the 
House and Senate.


But consumer groups and technology companies were angered over the lack 
of protection for net neutrality, the right of any Internet user or 
content provider to access the Interent on an equal footing with others. 
They launched a massive grassroots campaign that drew media attention to 
the cozy state of affairs for the telcos and cable companies


Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), author of the Senate's version of the 
telecom bill, recently acknowledged that the bill was all but dead and 
would have to be partitioned into individual bills to have any chance of 
passing.


One portion of both the House and Senate bills addresses the concept of 
publicly-funded municipal wireless networks, or Municipal Wi-Fi for 
short. Although many cities and towns are developing their own wireless 
systems for free or low-cost use, heavy telecom lobbying has pushed 15 
states to ban any sort of initiatives for Wi-Fi.


Telecom companies such as ATT are determined to roll-out high-speed 
broadband networks and provide platforms for TV over Internet services 
such as MobiTV. The company favors tiered pricing models that will 
enable only the richest clients to pay for the best service.


Critics fear that without truly affordable broadband and equal access to 
content, the digital divide between rich and poor will continue to 
grow, and the middle-class users will be stuck in the slow lane of 
Internet access.


As the authors of the Broadband Reality Check put it, Faith-based 
policy and wishful thinking will not bring broadband to rural areas, and 
the repeated use of misleading data will not help low-income consumers 
afford broadband.


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/09/cfa_broadband.html
---
---

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Initial SR9 test results

2006-09-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

Who sells that Teletronics antenna, link, cost

Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote:


Larry Yunker wrote:

Let us know more about the configuration(s) and maybe we can figure 
out what else you should try.


OK here's the Sector antenna:

http://www.teletronics.com/tant900sector12-5dbi.html

The yagi's are PacWireless YA9-13

Interesting that at the customer with the yagi in the attic, the 
CPE-tower signal was weaker than the tower-CPE signal. Both running 
the Ubiquiti 900 cards on a  RB112 and the sector antenna is 12.5 db 
gain so you would think the signals at each end should be pretty close.


THanks leon


--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges

2006-09-18 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

As quoted from the article;

   After RUS unknowingly approved payment of the 
fraudulent invoice and transferred the appropriate loan proceeds to 
Stonebridge,
   Gowdy paid Mainstream by check. As part of the 
scheme, Mainstream then returned the funds to Stonebridge. Gowdy used those
   funds for various business purposes, including 
covering the Stonebridge company payroll. In addition, he often added 
the funds to
   legitimately-obtained money, using the commingled 
result for personal purposes.


After reading the article I googled Mainstream Solutions and 
coincidently they are located on the same street.
How is it only Stonebridge was in trouble for this? Who knows maybe we 
will here more about this. h...


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
NEW-ISP


George Rogato wrote:

defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 
million in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the 
expansion of wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota.


http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml



---
---

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I get more and more frustrated with these kinds of titles...

You'd think there wasn't broadband available.   There's broadband available
in an amazingly wide area...  But you can't force consumers to buy it.

This is probably just the first volley of a campaign to gin up a few hundred
billion to give to the telcos as subsidy to lower the price of
broadband...

We should be very wary of this kind of misleading stuff, it's going to bite
us big time if we don't speak up and get some real perspective seen.


+++
neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington
email me at mark at neofast dot net
541-969-8200
Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net

- Original Message - 
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:27 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among
IndustrializedNations


 U.S. Still Lags In Broadband Access
 Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among Industrialized Nations
 By Martin H. Bosworth
 ConsumerAffairs.Com

 September 17, 2006

 The constant refrain of major telecommunications and cable companies is
 that there's heavy competition for the Internet user's dollar.



-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


[WISPA] Tango Funding

2006-09-18 Thread Peter R.


 Tango Networks coy about funding round

At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised


 Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006
 http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html

Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least 
$9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a 
Securities and Exchange Commission filing.


Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, 
include the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No 
other institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing.



--


Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884 
http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm


--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding

2006-09-18 Thread Brad Belton
Funny that their site only mentions they are a software company. 

Best,

Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tango Funding


  Tango Networks coy about funding round

At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised


  Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006
  http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html

Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least 
$9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a 
Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, 
include the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No 
other institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing.


-- 


Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884 
http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm

-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations

2006-09-18 Thread Peter R.
We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has 
Internet.

The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet.

Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For 
some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the 
experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet.


So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets 
you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some 
switch back to cheaper dial-up.


The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, 
laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration?


The marketing question is: What Remarkable  Useful things can you do 
with broadband (other than entertainment)?


That's my 2 cents.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding

2006-09-18 Thread Rick Smith
right... TANGO not TRANGO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding

Funny that their site only mentions they are a software company. 

Best,

Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tango Funding


  Tango Networks coy about funding round

At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised


  Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006
  http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html

Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least
$9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a
Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, include
the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No other
institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing.


-- 


Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884
http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


[WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread David E. Smith
As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?

David Smith
MVN.net
-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Sam Tetherow
I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a 
few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy 
right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

David E. Smith wrote:

As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?

David Smith
MVN.net
  


--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Junk Mail




David,
I'd revisit that Ntop again...
I have ran these in telco environments and as long as the box is properly engineered to handle the segment it is monitoring they just simply work, day in and day out. As I recall, the longest uptime hit 11 mos. and as I am no longer with that telco I cannot comment further on what it has been since then, but provided the variables are all still the same, it would not surprise me for it to have never missed a lick in the past two years.

-RacerX




http://www.markw.net





This email may be confidential. Any distribution, use or copying of this
email or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient
is unauthorized. If you received this email in error, please advise me (by
return email or otherwise) immediately.

Ce courriel est confidentiel. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce
message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que
les destinataires dsigns est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par
erreur, veuillez m'en aviser immdiatement, par retour de courriel ou par
un autre moyen.

Este mensaje es confidencial. Cualquier distribucin, uso o copia del
mensaje o de la informacin en el contenido por otras personas distintas
de los destinatarios esta prohibida. Si usted recibe este mensaje por
error, por favor comunquemelo inmediatamente mediante reenvo del mensaje
o por otro medio.



 
On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 13:36 -0500, David E. Smith wrote:


As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?

David Smith
MVN.net












-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


[WISPA] tower power

2006-09-18 Thread chris cooper








We have an enclosure @ 400 that is powered from the
same circuit as tower lighting. Its been acting a little strange lately,
so we went up with a voltmeter to check the power. The meter showed
fluctuations from 140-170v AC at the outlet. We tested at the back of the
ups and have a steady 130v. This powers a waverider CCU and a couple
backhauls. Im not an electrician, known enough to be dangerous. Is the
130 enough to make my gear get squirrely? The ups seems to be keeping the
voltage steady at the backend. Im thinking of putting an isolation xformer in.



Thanks

Chris






-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread David E. Smith
Sam Tetherow wrote:
 I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a
 few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy
 right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage.

Ooh, that tickles my shell scripting fancy. ;)

How much disk and CPU space is that using for you, and how much
throughput are you tracking flows for? I know that Netflow only has to
keep some basic information on the packet, not the whole packet itself,
but even headers on my 20Mbps (peak) network could add up. (Also, how
far back do you keep flow data? Obviously, if you're only keeping a
week's worth, that's not as resource-intensive as a month, and so on.)

David Smith
MVN.net
-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] tower power

2006-09-18 Thread Scott Reed




130 output I wouldn't think is a problem, but I would think something is wrong at 170 at the outlet.  I know some UPSes will either go to battery or shutdonw before that.  I do not know the specs on power company voltage, but that is just too high.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




-- Original Message 
---

From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org 


Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:32:00 -0400 


Subject: [WISPA] tower power 



 We have an enclosure @ 400’ that is powered from 
the
same circuit as tower lighting.  Its been acting a little strange 
lately,
so we went up with a voltmeter to check the power.  The meter 
showed
fluctuations from 140-170v AC at the outlet.  We tested at the back of 
the
ups and have a steady 130v.  This powers a waverider CCU and a 
couple
backhauls.  Im not an electrician, known enough to be dangerous.  Is 
the
130 enough to make my gear get squirrely?  The ups seems to be keeping 
the
voltage steady at the backend. Im thinking of putting an isolation xformer 
in.

  


 Thanks

 Chris

--- End of Original Message 
---






-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Jeremy Davis

David E. Smith wrote:

As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?
  

IPTrack works pretty well. http://dev.webpipe.net/iptrack/

Jeremy


--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


[WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Scott Reed




I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.?

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 








-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Scott Reed




Sam,
I download nfdump and I think it works.  What do you use for startup command for nfcapd?

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




-- Original Message 
---

From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 


Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? 



 I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using 
a  
 

few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy  

 

right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. 

 
 

    Sam Tetherow 
 

    Sandhills Wireless 
 
 

David E. Smith wrote: 
 

 As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box 

 

 in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that 
 

 RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... 
 

 
 

 I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played 

 

 briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was 

 

 just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times 

 

 over the weekend.) 
 

 
 

 There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run 

 

 for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of 

 

 money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, 

 

 and what doesn't? 
 

 
 

 David Smith 
 

 MVN.net 
 

    
 
 

--  
 

WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org 
 
 

Subscribe/Unsubscribe: 
 

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 
 

 

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 
--- 
End of Original Message 
---






-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread David E. Smith
Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  
 He 
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar 
 while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how do 
 you 
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread chipps
Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly?
Ken Chipps-Original Message-From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestAgreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today andprobably always will be for the mobile user.I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data cardright now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven'tmissed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, onrooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and itis only getting better.Best,Brad-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of David E. SmithSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestScott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.He  needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see theradar  while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, howdo you  charge for installation, service, etc.?Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cellphone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems Ican (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort ofroaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it acouple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. Butunless your whole network already happens to support that, or thecustomer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probablygonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they'relooking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)David SmithMVN.net-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION

2006-09-18 Thread Tom DeReggi

Regarding cable

That makes since. We really like the Arc wireless cable because it meets the 
need for 70% of the CPE side installs (residential and small business) with 
ease of use and the right price. The industry really needed a product like 
that.  But the ARC cable is what it is, and is no substitution for high 
grade cable when it is needed.  The Superior Essex we use now, has been 
proven to be awesome. We use it the other 25% of the time, when we have long 
runs or have to extend across gravel flat roof (where there is risk it will 
be submerged in water or walked on.). Many don't realize that it is not just 
the metal shielding that gives isolation from interference (environmental or 
self induced crosstalk). The non-metalic outer jacket and inner jacket of 
the wires also have isolating characteristics that contribute. There is 
something to be said for total thickness of a cable.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION


Good points.  Likely I will not touch it again unless it breaks.  I'll try 
to get a make on the good cable, but I know the cheap stuff I ran 
yesterday is the arc wireless shielded, flooded, drainwire, I picked up 6 
months ago when it was $69 a roll.


Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote:


So the question that arises, is why did that fix it?

I see two possibilities

1) Poor quality cable or cable shields. (Loss running Ethernet data 
parallel to power)

2) Sharing a CAT5 jack on the 532 main board for Power and Data.

Travis previously talked about the horrid RF interferrence that the 532 
board generated when using 48V, due to the 532 onboard power 
converter/supply.  I'm wondering if the distortion/loss was at the board 
itself apposed to cable?


It would have been interesting to know, if you used one cable for both 
data and power, but terminated the data pairs to a different Ethernet 
port instead of the POE port used for power.


What also would have been interesting would have been to know wether a 
18V power supply would have worked on a shared single cable.


Different ethernet chipsets do have different characteristics and ranges. 
So it is possible that just the different chip made the difference based 
on compatibilty or characteristics of chip.  But the other reasons are 
just as probable.


What brand (not just shield type) cable were you using? I realize that 
you would not likely pursue additional tests as you found a fix already, 
but it would be interesting to know, just so we can keep collecting data 
should we experience similar problems in the future.


We had a similar situation that was due to chipset. We ran 10 mbps 
ethernet 550 feet to our subscriber. (different radio brand).  We used a 
slightly higher power voltage to make up for cable loss.  Our laptops 
worked great over the link.  The customer's 3 identical routers could not 
stay connected for long. We were not sure if it was a speed autodetection 
issue, or the distance for the chip to work.  We installed a 10mbps Cisco 
Switch in between their router and our cable dmarc in their premise, and 
it all worked.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION


I started with   RB 532 on tower.  It comes down 265 feet to poe 
injector to router.  Major packet loss.

2)  switched RB 532 out.  No change.
3)  Created test setup on ground with bad board and it looked fine. 
(from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB)

4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend.
5)  Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground.  This 
time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. 
The problen was back.  (I was bummed)
6)  One final test.  Get another 265 foot cable.  I used 265ft for power 
and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate 
that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 
2/3.
And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, 
ect.setup.
I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround.  Good enough 
for me.


FWIW  I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine).  I used 
the original cable for data (it has real shield)  I used my new 2 
(cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the 
heck of it.


Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on 
ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will 
have.  And then test.


Hope that sums it all up.

Ok to directly answer your question.  Yes.  I did this on the 

RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Mark McElvy








Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect





Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data
Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide
Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA
General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Two
questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to
download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken
Chipps

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer
watcher.
He 
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar 
 while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how
do you 
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/







This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information.  This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees.  If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document.
Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law.


-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Sam Tetherow
nfcapd -w -D -l /var/lib/nfcapd/flow/edge1 -p 2055 -B 128000 -I Edge1 -P 
/var/run/nfcapd/nfcapd.edge1.pid


I also use the -x flag to run a script that parses the information out 
into files by IP/date for graphing purposes.


I really don't know if it is all that optimal, I set it up when I put in 
the DS3 Mikrotik box and it has just work so far so I haven't had to 
tweak things.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Scott Reed wrote:

Sam,
I download nfdump and I think it works.  What do you use for startup 
command for nfcapd?


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/


*-- Original Message ---*
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

 I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been 
using a

 few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy
 right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user 
usage.


Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

 David E. Smith wrote:
  As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik 
box

  in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
  RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...
 
  I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I 
played

  briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
  just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four 
times

  over the weekend.)
 
  There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of 
which run

  for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
  money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What 
works,

  and what doesn't?
 
  David Smith
  MVN.net
   


 --
 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
*--- End of Original Message ---*
!DSPAM:16,450f0a68101359119242804! 
http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,450f0a68101359119242804 



--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Brad Belton








Hello Ken,



Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book
anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc



Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion).
grin



Pulling current, animated radar images over
my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation
from www.testmy.net : 



:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested
with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your
hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW





Ive seen well over 1Mbps before,
but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like
this:



Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:



Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237



Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

 Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost =
0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

 Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average
= 181ms



Tracert looks like this:



Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



 1 171 ms 157 ms
162 ms 68.28.177.69

 2
*
* * Request
timed out.

 3 191 ms 183 ms
190 ms 68.28.187.54

 4 326 ms 162 ms
156 ms 68.28.187.6

 5
*
* * Request
timed out.

 6
*
* * Request
timed out.

 7 162 ms 158 ms
164 ms 68.28.187.97

 8 168 ms 153 ms
160 ms 68.28.187.18

 9 194 ms 162 ms
157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69]

10 171 ms 161 ms
157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85]

11 161 ms 159 ms
188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38]

12 173 ms 193 ms 189
ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21]

13 186 ms 186 ms
184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33]

14 180 ms 183 ms
187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83]

15 384 ms 173 ms
167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73]

16 166 ms 193 ms
206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16]

17 180 ms 183 ms
192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40]

18 423 ms 224 ms
199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]



Trace complete.





As with most things YMMV. (Your
Mileage May Vary) grin



Best,





Brad









-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



Remote Desktop Connection
I would suspect





Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data
Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide
Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA
General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the
Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken Chipps

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just 

[WISPA] OT FYI: New position

2006-09-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator. 

Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243






This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals  computer 
viruses.




--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Scott Reed




That's one thing I need to ask him.  I am not sure he needs to drive and connect.  It may be park and connect.  I will find out.

I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile Command Center.  They take it to a disaster, park and connect.  I am still working on that one, but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




-- Original Message 
---

From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 


Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 



 Scott Reed wrote: 
 

 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  
He  
 

 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar 
 
 

 while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If 
so, how do you  
 

 charge for installation, service, etc.? 
 
 

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell 
 

phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I 
 

can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of 
 

roaming is firmly in the cannot category. 
 
 

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a 
 

couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But 
 

unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the 
 

customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably 
 

gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're 
 

looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) 
 

 

David Smith 
 

MVN.net 
 

--  
 

WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org 
 
 

Subscribe/Unsubscribe: 
 

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 
 

 

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 
--- 
End of Original Message 
---






-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Scott Reed




Did you write your own scipt for the -x option?  I was looking at the example in man nfcapd that shows using nfprofile and even read man nfprofile  and don't really see what I want to do with it.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




-- Original Message 
---

From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 


Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:03:20 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? 



 nfcapd -w -D -l /var/lib/nfcapd/flow/edge1 -p 2055 -B 128000 -I Edge1 
-P  
 

/var/run/nfcapd/nfcapd.edge1.pid 
 
 

I also use the -x flag to run a script that parses the information out  
 

into files by IP/date for graphing purposes. 
 
 

I really don't know if it is all that optimal, I set it up when I put in  

 

the DS3 Mikrotik box and it has just work so far so I haven't had to  
 

tweak things. 
 
 

    Sam Tetherow 
 

    Sandhills Wireless 
 
 

Scott Reed wrote: 
 

 Sam, 
 

 I download nfdump and I think it works.  What do you use for startup  

 

 command for nfcapd? 
 

 
 

 Scott Reed 
 

 Owner 
 

 NewWays 
 

 Wireless Networking 
 

 Network Design, Installation and Administration 
 

 www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ 

 

 
 

 
 

 *-- Original Message ---* 
 

 From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
 

 Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500 
 

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? 
 

 
 

  I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been  

 

 using a 
 

  few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything 
fancy 
 

  right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user  

 

 usage. 
 

  
 

     Sam Tetherow 
 

     Sandhills Wireless 
 

  
 

  David E. Smith wrote: 
 

   As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a 
Mikrotik  
 

 box 
 

   in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that 

 

   RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... 

 

   
 

   I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I  

 

 played 
 

   briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it 
was 
 

   just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four  

 

 times 
 

   over the weekend.) 
 

   
 

   There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of  

 

 which run 
 

   for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind 
of 
 

   money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What  

 

 works, 
 

   and what doesn't? 
 

   
 

   David Smith 
 

   MVN.net 
 

     
 

  
 

  -- 
 

  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org 
 

  
 

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe: 
 

  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 
 

  
 

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 
 

 *--- End of Original Message ---* 
 

 !DSPAM:16,450f0a68101359119242804!  
 

 http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,450f0a68101359119242804 
 
 
 

--  
 

WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org 
 
 

Subscribe/Unsubscribe: 
 

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 
 

 

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 
--- 
End of Original Message 
---






-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Sam Tetherow
Not really sure on CPU usage, I don't notice it and it is on a pretty 
all-purpose AMD64.  I capture on a 5 minute interval since that is what 
I used in my previous setup. 

I am running about 10 gig/month in data and currently haven't deleted 
anything since I started in May.  It looks like you can get about a 
4.5:1 compression on the data using bzip2 though so I would be looking 
at a little over 2G/month compressed data


My throughput on average is running about 15M and about 10M of that is 
torrents that I seed for various IPTV programs and linux distributions.


With the current price of hard drives I don't see the need for getting 
rid of the flow data from a technical standpoint.  I'm not sure if I 
want to keep that kind of data on my customers that long though.  I have 
just been too lazy to get rid of it at this point.  Maybe after I spend 
some more time thinking about what I actually want to save.  Like port 
statistics and possibly generic destination statistics (like they did x% 
of traffic to y number of sites).


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

David E. Smith wrote:

Sam Tetherow wrote:
  

I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a
few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy
right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage.



Ooh, that tickles my shell scripting fancy. ;)

How much disk and CPU space is that using for you, and how much
throughput are you tracking flows for? I know that Netflow only has to
keep some basic information on the packet, not the whole packet itself,
but even headers on my 20Mbps (peak) network could add up. (Also, how
far back do you keep flow data? Obviously, if you're only keeping a
week's worth, that's not as resource-intensive as a month, and so on.)

David Smith
MVN.net
  


--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Ken Chipps








Hi Brad, we do need to meet each other one
of these days since we are in the same city.



Interesting. I may have to look into this
further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from other users. What is
the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for this? Is the Sprint
website the only source?



Why do you pay for this weather stuff? Why
not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug?



Ken Chipps











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Hello Ken,



Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short
(in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix
etc



Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my
opinion). grin



Pulling current, animated radar images
over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation
from www.testmy.net : 



:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested
with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your
hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW





Ive seen well over 1Mbps before,
but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like
this:



Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:



Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237



Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

 Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost =
0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

 Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average
= 181ms



Tracert looks like this:



Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



 1 171 ms 157 ms
162 ms 68.28.177.69

 2
*
* * Request
timed out.

 3 191 ms 183 ms
190 ms 68.28.187.54

 4 326 ms 162 ms 156
ms 68.28.187.6

 5
*
* * Request
timed out.

 6
*
* * Request
timed out.

 7 162 ms 158 ms
164 ms 68.28.187.97

 8 168 ms 153 ms
160 ms 68.28.187.18

 9 194 ms 162 ms
157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69]

10 171 ms 161 ms
157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85]

11 161 ms 159 ms
188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38]

12 173 ms 193 ms
189 ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21]

13 186 ms 186 ms
184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33]

14 180 ms 183 ms
187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83]

15 384 ms 173 ms
167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73]

16 166 ms 193 ms
206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16]

17 180 ms 183 ms
192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40]

18 423 ms 224 ms
199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]



Trace complete.





As with most things YMMV. (Your
Mileage May Vary) grin



Best,





Brad









-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



Remote Desktop Connection
I would suspect





Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data
Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide
Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA
General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the
Sprint 

Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

2006-09-18 Thread Anthony Will
It will be great to have you concentrating on our industry once again 
Patrick.  You have helped bring many good things to this industry and I 
am looking forward to finally meeting you at some time in the future.


Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

Patrick Leary wrote:

Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator. 


Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243



 
 


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals  computer 
viruses.




  

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread David E. Smith

Sam Tetherow wrote:

I am running about 10 gig/month in data and currently haven't deleted 
anything since I started in May.  It looks like you can get about a 
4.5:1 compression on the data using bzip2 though so I would be looking 
at a little over 2G/month compressed data


For the last four hours, I've got three million flows, summarizing 25 
million packets and 13.4 gigs of stuff, sucking up about 160MB of disk 
space, which will add up to about a gig a day of disk space. While disk 
space is cheap, it ain't free. :)


Obviously, bzip2 won't help too much, because the data will either have 
to be post-processed (i.e. dump it into a database, which probably can't 
be compressed) or not (i.e. leave the files as-is for command line 
analysis). I think it really depends on just how long my boss would like 
historical data for :)


A bit of tinkering will, of course, be required.

My throughput on average is running about 15M and about 10M of that is 
torrents that I seed for various IPTV programs and linux distributions.


I'm not even counting all the office BitTorrent seeding. :)

(One of these years I need to upgrade my core router to RouterOS 2.9, 
partly for features like Netflow. The new Netflow collector only sees 
traffic to my wireless network, and doesn't see all the traffic to, say, 
my Web and mail servers, my torrent box, or my GBStv setup, which is 
probably another several MB/s I'd have to account for.)


David Smith
MVN.net
--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


[WISPA] OT FYI: Change in position

2006-09-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator. 

Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243






This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals  computer 
viruses.




--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Also, agreed,
the Sprint card is used by our field engineering and at two of the
past dozen conferences where we had a booth, that card was better
than the congested Internet connection that they provided to the
exhibitors.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request


Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now.  Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours.  I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle.  Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.
He
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar
 while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how
do you
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, September 18, 2006 5:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high
 enough to download color weather radar images quickly?

I'd assume RDC is Remote Desktop, Windows' answer to PC Anywhere and VNC.

And the Sprint cards are, I'm told, surprisingly good. Some folks have
reported getting data rates in excess of 1Mbps - not blazing fast, but
beats the pants off dialup, and pretty good if you're speeding down the
highway. The average speeds seem to be 512k or thereabouts, unless you're
in a major metropolitan area (which will have newer better tower gear,
thus better speeds), which still ain't nothing to sneeze at.

David Smith
MVN.net

-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Butch Evans

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, David E. Smith wrote:

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about 
it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with 
Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support


Voodoo?  LOL.  What we did was not magic, but was certainly not an 
off the shelf solution.  ;-)


that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell 
card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets 
the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours 
rebuilding your network :)


While I must say that it would not require rebuilding the network 
(a Mikrotik client is all that is required for the solution I 
built), it is pretty likely that the coverage area would be much 
better with the cell card.


--
Butch Evans
Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
(http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)
--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

2006-09-18 Thread Butch Evans

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me 
to get back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally 
lead a renewed focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my


This is good news to hear.  I am always happy to see a manufacturer 
looking toward this market segment.


energies will be full time dedicated to this activity -- to you and 
your needs as operators and as an industry. Over the past few years


I have always valued your thoughtful posts, though I find myself in 
disagreement with you more often than not.  You have always made me 
consider my positions very carefully, and provide some very 
convincing arguments to support yours.  At any rate...welcome back.


and will also allow me to again be an active advocate for WISPs 
with the press, thought leaders and officials.


This is especially useful and welcomed.

--
Butch Evans
Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
(http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)
--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges

2006-09-18 Thread Barry at Mutual Data
Hello George,

WOW!   I helped Steve get through the USDA Broadband program when
we got approved in the broadband pilot program.

Barry

Monday, September 18, 2006, 11:25:55 AM, you wrote:

GR defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million
GR in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of
GR wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota.

GR http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
GR -- 
GR George Rogato

GR Welcome to WISPA

GR www.wispa.org

GR http://signup.wispa.org/



-- 
Best regards,
 Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Brad Belton








Hello Ken,



Yes, it has been some time since we last
met. I believe it was with my brother Jack more than a couple years ago
at your place near Alvarado. I believe it may have even been before you
had a tower up! Time flies!



My first mobile data card (still have it
in a drawer) was from Air America reselling the Ricochet service. The
service was tolerable (200Kbps-300Kbps) if you were stationary, but pretty much
unusable while driving. I think I paid $129.00 a month or more for the
service! Crazy, but I had to have it!



My second data card was Sprints
first generation card. This service was far superior to Ricochet in
coverage and service while driving was terrific. This is the card I used
while driving across country during a couple vacations. Service started
out at about 120Kbps-200Kbps and 350-450ms latency which was a bit worse than
Ricochet. The service did begin to slow and Sprint moved the couple cards
we had to their new service that we have now. 



I figure $5 a year for a weather service I
enjoy is a bargain. I think that works out to just over a penny a day.
The site www.wunderground.com really
is a great source of information and the five bucks eliminates the
advertisements and enables a few additional features. You should check it
out during the next stormIm fairly sure the experimental Lightning
data is pulled from a client of ours that operates a number of remote sensors
our network provides service to. Pretty amazing technology as they can
actually predict a lightning strike (cloud to cloud, cloud to ground or ground
to cloud) before it happens.



Best,





Brad











-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ken Chipps
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
8:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



Hi Brad, we do need to
meet each other one of these days since we are in the same city.



Interesting. I may have
to look into this further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from
other users. What is the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for
this? Is the Sprint website the only source?



Why do you pay for this
weather stuff? Why not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug?



Ken Chipps











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Hello Ken,



Yes, Mark is
correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka
Terminal Services or Citrix etc



Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my
opinion). grin



Pulling current, animated
radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed
test confirmation from www.testmy.net : 



:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps
about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/
(Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K
1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took
7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay :
running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link::
http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW





Ive seen well over
1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency
typically looks like this:



Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of
data:



Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms
TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=143ms TTL=237



Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

 Packets: Sent =
23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in
milli-seconds:

 Minimum = 143ms,
Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms



Tracert looks like this:



Tracing route to
vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



 1 171
ms 157 ms 162 ms 

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges

2006-09-18 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

I have heard about this on a few lists.  Nothing I read indicates that
he refused to repay the loans, so how can there be fraud?

Doesn't it just burn everybody that someone will commit fraud
(supposedly) and then have the audacity to use those funds for
payroll?


Lonnie

On 9/18/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million
in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of
wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota.

http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
--
George Rogato

Welcome to WISPA

www.wispa.org

http://signup.wispa.org/
--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/




--
Lonnie Nunweiler
Valemount Networks Corporation
http://www.star-os.com/
--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Rick Harnish








Remote Desktop







Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless,
Inc.

260-827-2482

Founding Member of WISPA













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:28 PM
To: WISPA
 General List; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Two
questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to
download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken
Chipps

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer
watcher.
He 
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar 
 while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so,
how
do you 
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/







-- 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations

2006-09-18 Thread George Rogato

Peter R. wrote:
We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has 
Internet.

The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet.

Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For 
some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the 
experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet.


So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets 
you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some 
switch back to cheaper dial-up.


The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, 
laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration?


The marketing question is: What Remarkable  Useful things can you do 
with broadband (other than entertainment)?


That's my 2 cents.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.



I agree with you, I still have a considerable amount of dial up subscribers.

There needs to be a motivator, other than price, that makes these types 
of users decide to trade up. They have to want to.


And I thought giant pictures killing  their email would have done the 
trick by now :(


George

--
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/