Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Peter R.

Which stat don't you like Tom?

The PEW Report:
http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP_Digital_Divisions_Oct_5_2005.pdf
As of May-June 2005, 68% of American adults, or about 137 million 
people, use the
internet, up from 63% one year ago. Thirty-two percent of American 
adults, or about 65
million people, do not use the internet and not always by choice. 
Certain groups continue
to lag in their internet adoption, including Americans age 65 and older, 
African-

Americans, and those with less education.

Numbers vary depending on the poll/survey/source.

From America's Network:

Some 62 million Americans are still using their telephone lines to dial 
into the Internet, according to recent figures from the Pew Internet and 
American Life Project. Other figures from research firms like Forrester 
show that only about 40% of Americans have high-speed connections at 
home, 30% rely on dial-up and 25% don’t have any Internet connections at 
all!


So how come the US is lagging behind most of the developed world in 
broadband access? Some analysts cite price as a factor, but that seems 
doubtful. DSL deals from Verizon and ATT often are priced below monthly 
dial-up rates, and millions of cable television customers can get 
cable-modem service packaged at a discount with their TV and phone 
service. So why stick with slow dialup?


The main problem seems to be the free-market telecom frenzy that has 
enveloped the US (and much of its population) in technology and price 
uncertainty. With no national broadband policy in place, multiple 
service providers are targeting affluent urban areas, while leaving many 
poor and rural dwellers to fend for themselves. In big cities, that 
means consumers face daunting broadband choices. Should they sign a 
contract with their cable provider or telco? Wait for the installation 
of a Wi-Fi network? Choose an alternate provider like EarthLink? And 
which broadband technology is the best? Many just stick with what they 
know best: the slow but reliable telephone.


Even the service providers themselves are confused. A plan by the city 
of West Hollywood, Calif. to install Wi-Fi has stalled for two years 
because the local utility company can’t decide whether to grant a 
right-of-way for the equipment on its lampposts.


Inevitably, this is going to change, but the change would come much more 
quickly if a national policy and direction were put into place, 
consumers knew what to expect and the service providers better focused 
their efforts. Until then, Americans will have another reason to worry 
about the rise of China.


-

Doesn't matter if you like or believe the numbers. The fact is that 
Broadband growth has stalled. So ISPs have to find out why (fear, tired 
on PC troubles, too much crap, don't need the internet, no PC to use) in 
order to have growth in those flattened or no-growth areas.


- Peter
http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/09/broadband-policy.html

Tom DeReggi wrote:


Peter,

I do not agree with those statistics.
Why would anyone prefer DialUp for the same price? Don't think so.
A large part of that 68% are DialUp Users NOT by choice.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S.16th Among 
IndustrializedNations




Peter R. wrote:

We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population 
has Internet.

The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet.

Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. 
For some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make 
the experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet.


So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 
gets you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to 
normal, some switch back to cheaper dial-up.


The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, 
laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration?


The marketing question is: What Remarkable  Useful things can you 
do with broadband (other than entertainment)?


That's my 2 cents.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.



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Re: [WISPA] Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map - NEW SERVER NEEDED

2006-09-20 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor

Technically... umm. i dont know.  =)

but i do know that I expect about 200-500 visitors a day AND the map
WILL be in wikipedia under wisp, isp, internet, and other definitions.

it WAS already in there getting tons of traffic but alas.. it started
running s slow... that we had to remove it...

any ideas?


On 9/19/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Robert,

What exactly are you needing here?  Bandwidth?  Hardware?

What are the requirements?

Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote:

 Gents,
 It's been a while and i realize that this topic may have cooled off a
 bit BUT... it's now MORE Necessary then before...

 I've spent months trying to speed up our server with my webmaster but
 NOTHING... so.. i give up... if anybody wants to host the map
 (currently at http://map.wirelessinternetcoverage.com )... this is
 what i propose:

 1. I will remove ALL data about EVDO or HSDPA
 2. the map will ONLY be a WISP map.
 3. the only thing I want to see for my company is
 a) a paragraph about EVDO and Mobile WIMAX saying that it is ONLY for
 mobile users. and it will specifially say that a WISP will deliver
 faster more solid service for fixed locations.
 b) a paragraph about Satellite saying that it is ONLY appropriate as a
 LAST Resort due to latency and inconsistency of service.

 I'm planning on moving the site to http://wireless-internet-coverage.com
 so that we can put all WISPA members and my stuff in the highest
 traffic front page possible... All i need to do this is a server that
 is FAST...
 and since mobile internet and fixed broadband wis are totally
 complementary... lets do this...

 thoughts???



 On 4/14/06, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Guys... after a year of fiddling and fumbling...
 we now finally have a usable LINKABLE
 google map for WISPS

 please put your wisp details into the GOOGLEMAP...

 thanks for all your feedback... it made about 70% of this new
 design... bob kim

 GOOGLEMAP:
 
http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-access-wimax-evdo-hsdpa-map-set.html






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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Peter R.
It is a lack of federal policy. Every nation that has a federal policy 
on teelcom/BB/internet has strong penetration and competition - and 
cheaper rates. Granted there are lots of debates about why some 
countries are cheaper, and have more users, but the fact remains that 
the FCC has failed - FAILED - in its charge of ensuring competition and 
upholding the Telecom Act of 1996. Heck, they don't even enforce merger 
requirements nor spectrum purchase requirements.


Without a clear plan, laser focus, and habitual execution, you usually 
have failure.


- Peter


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this...  The
biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY

Oh, please.   Spare us the insane idiocy...

 


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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Peter R.
It is a lack of federal policy. Every nation that has a federal policy 
on telecom/BB/internet has strong penetration and competition - and 
cheaper rates. Granted there are lots of debates about why some 
countries are cheaper, and have more users, but the fact remains that 
the FCC has failed - FAILED - in its charge of ensuring competition and 
upholding the Telecom Act of 1996. Heck, they don't even enforce merger 
requirements nor spectrum purchase requirements.


Without a clear plan, laser focus, and habitual execution, you usually 
have failure.


- Peter


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this...  The
biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY

Oh, please.   Spare us the insane idiocy...

 


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[WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I use 11b mode for most of my clients.   I have 3 routerboard 112's in long
distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance.   Compared
to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house
apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences.
The RSSI is the same for both, btw.   One, with compression and other
atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around
520-540KB of non-compressible data.   Right next door, the best I can
achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB.   I see this dramatic deficit in
ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come
anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client.  All are CM9
radios.

I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box
in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the
same as my compex  boards's original firmware, which i judged to be
inadequate.

Am I missing something?   Is this just a setting problem or ???

Any help appreciated.


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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread cw
Disparaging remarks of this nature are dysfunctional. Opinions are like 
assholes; everybody has one but nobody wants to hear it. - cw


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this...  The
biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY

Oh, please.   Spare us the insane idiocy...



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The main problem seems to be the free-market telecom frenzy that has
enveloped the US (and much of its population) in technology and price
uncertainty. With no national broadband policy in place, multiple
service providers are targeting affluent urban areas, while leaving many
poor and rural dwellers to fend for themselves. In big cities, that
means consumers face daunting broadband choices. Should they sign a
contract with their cable provider or telco? Wait for the installation
of a Wi-Fi network? Choose an alternate provider like EarthLink? And
which broadband technology is the best? Many just stick with what they
know best: the slow but reliable telephone.

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RE: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

2006-09-20 Thread Brad Larson
Scriv, very good news and congrats. BTW, I'm still waiting for your update
on your BreezeAccess VL upgrade? Brad

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We won an AWS license in our area!
:-)
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:

 FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

 Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006

 (Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and 
 seventh paragraphs.)
 WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on 
 Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless 
 services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and 
 handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger 
 rivals.
 T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, 
 bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed 
 to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable 
 giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along 
 with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 
 137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many 
 potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going.
 The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died, said 
 Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. The usual 
 suspects have won.
 The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when 
 regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from 
 NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the 
 FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to 
 NextWave and invalidating the auction.
 This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the 
 fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to 
 upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new 
 licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.
 Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 
 2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications 
 (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network 
 called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the 
 new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the 
 spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, 
 although it's unclear what that technology may be.
 A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for 
 comment.
 Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities 
 to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. 
 (LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 
 million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., 
 Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis.
 Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market 
 clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, 
 Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the 
 continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as 
 Sprint-Nextel and Verizon, Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research 
 firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients.
 The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest 
 auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts 
 of as much as 25%.

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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor

I've got an anal sphincter too!
http://wimax-coverage.com/wimax-access-wireless-internet-service-why.html
two words:
Qual-Comm
=)
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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor

ps... i guess i shoulda quoted the last post... oops!

Disparaging remarks of this nature are dysfunctional. Opinions are like
assholes; everybody has one but nobody wants to hear it. - cw

On 9/20/06, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've got an anal sphincter too!
http://wimax-coverage.com/wimax-access-wireless-internet-service-why.html
two words:
Qual-Comm
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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

- Original Message - 

From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition


 It is a lack of federal policy. Every nation that has a federal policy
 on teelcom/BB/internet has strong penetration and competition - and
 cheaper rates. Granted there are lots of debates about why some
 countries are cheaper, and have more users, but the fact remains that
 the FCC has failed - FAILED - in its charge of ensuring competition and
 upholding the Telecom Act of 1996. Heck, they don't even enforce merger
 requirements nor spectrum purchase requirements.

 Without a clear plan, laser focus, and habitual execution, you usually
 have failure.

The notion that the federal government can actually create a policy or
program to provide something that is better than free enterprise is absurd
on it's face, and evidence suggests that is the worst possible means of
attempting to do anything.

I will agree that  there have been a lot of federal failures, but they
relate to over-regulation, the creation of monopolies, and a failure at
being good stewards of the public trust.   Add this all up, and you have to
wonder why on earth people think the federal government should EVER be
considered as being responsible for much of anything in our daily lives.




 - Peter


 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

 I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this...  The
 biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY
 
 Oh, please.   Spare us the insane idiocy...
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread Barry at Mutual Data
Hello Mark,

15 miles!!   HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we
get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz.

We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz.

IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those
settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may
address that.

Barry

Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote:

MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients.   I have 3 routerboard 112's in long
MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance.   Compared
MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house
MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences.
MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw.   One, with compression and other
MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around
MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data.   Right next door, the best I can
MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB.   I see this dramatic deficit in
MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come
MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client.  All are CM9
MK radios.

MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box
MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the
MK same as my compex  boards's original firmware, which i judged to be
MK inadequate.

MK Am I missing something?   Is this just a setting problem or ???

MK Any help appreciated.


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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread N White
2 Miles? That's all? The farthest we've gotten is 27 on some old Tranzeo 
2.4 gear. It's now been replaced with StarOS, but we're still getting 20 
miles, and probably more. What antennas are you using? I'm assuming 
you've got a really cluttered spectrum?


Nick


Barry at Mutual Data wrote:

Hello Mark,

15 miles!!   HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we
get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz.

We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz.

IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those
settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may
address that.

Barry

Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote:

MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients.   I have 3 routerboard 112's in long
MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance.   Compared
MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house
MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences.
MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw.   One, with compression and other
MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around
MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data.   Right next door, the best I can
MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB.   I see this dramatic deficit in
MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come
MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client.  All are CM9
MK radios.

MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box
MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the
MK same as my compex  boards's original firmware, which i judged to be
MK inadequate.

MK Am I missing something?   Is this just a setting problem or ???

MK Any help appreciated.


MK +++
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MK email me at mark at neofast dot net
MK 541-969-8200
MK Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net




  



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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I have customers beyond 20 miles...   Last night I installed someone, and
couldn't get thier CPE to associate until I called someone and had the
distance limit upped to 28 miles on the AP.   Anyway, I plotted it in
RadioMobile and it's 22.7 miles according to RM.



The customer is here behind the trees.

http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/cafferkey.jpg

And ap is ... I THINK... in the mountains near where this is marked.  It's
kinda hard to tell from this view, and I couldn't find a better picture.
But, those sites are visible to each other.

http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/lewispeak.jpg

These pictures are taken from one of my AP's.

I have picked up a useable signal level at 29.5 miles from one of my AP's
while I was doing a site survey.

No, I have no amps, and all but one AP is a CM9, with the last holdout being
an old Sapphire card, which is going to changed out real soon.

All my CPE has 18 db grids.

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- Original Message - 
From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik


 Hello Mark,

 15 miles!!   HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we
 get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz.

 We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz.

 IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those
 settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may
 address that.

 Barry

 Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote:

 MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients.   I have 3 routerboard 112's in
long
 MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance.
Compared
 MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one
house
 MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance
differences.
 MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw.   One, with compression and other
 MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around
 MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data.   Right next door, the best I can
 MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB.   I see this dramatic
deficit in
 MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will
come
 MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client.  All are
CM9
 MK radios.

 MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the
compression box
 MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about
the
 MK same as my compex  boards's original firmware, which i judged to be
 MK inadequate.

 MK Am I missing something?   Is this just a setting problem or ???

 MK Any help appreciated.


 MK +++
 MK neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East
Washington
 MK email me at mark at neofast dot net
 MK 541-969-8200
 MK Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net




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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Tom DeReggi

Peter,

 Other figures from research firms like Forrester
show that only about 40% of Americans have high-speed connections at
home, 30% rely on dial-up and 25% don’t have any Internet connections at
all!

I do not disagree with those statistics. I disagree with your statement that 
most DialUp users are DialUp users by choice, and that most people that 
don't have Internet are doing so by choice. The facts are, 60% of America is 
under served, which is both embaressing for the US, and a call for 
opportunity.  In todays world, there is justification for every home in 
America to have broadband and to have a computer.  Not having a computer, is 
no longer a valid arguement. Even the most impoverished homes, can manage to 
budget to buy a $300 computer from BestBuy, that includes monitor and 
printer.  Or for that matter to get a FREE used donated computer.  A pentium 
pc, does Broadband fine (although slow and problematic).  The reason people 
do not buy broadband, is NOT price. It doesn't need to be cheaper. There is 
already cost justification, the end user just doesn't always realize it at 
first.  Understanding that the Average DialUp user is paying $35 a month 
already (line and service).  The problem is that broadband is to cheap.  So 
large players can't justify expansion into lower profit centers, by 
subsidees of higher paying subs.  The problem is that users DO NOT HAVE 
OPTIONS.  USERS HAVE NOT BEEN SOLICITED WITH PROPER SALES AND MARKETING TO 
CONVINCE THEM THEY NEED IT, BECAUE IT IS POINTLESS WHEN IT IS NOT AVAILABLE.


One of the biggest mistakes I made in this industry, which I am paying for 
now dearly, is I did not recognize the market.  I was bold, ambitious, and 
competitive, and wanted to prove I was good as any one else, and hit the 
competition head on in their prime territory.  Its not about win or loose, I 
often won. The issue is its a hard war and a peric victory.  What I didn't 
realize is that the under served market was actually the larger market over 
the tier1 prime market.  60% underserved, 40% served.  Why in the world 
did I decide to go after the smaller market with more competition?  This is 
the only reason, that DIAL UP providers still hold half the US's Internet 
traffic, providers are stupid, and don't properly identify the gravy when 
its already stearing them in the face at the table.  In my defense, I have 
the excuse that I live in a Urban Tier 1 market.


This is why WIRELESS is such an exciting play today. We have a completely 
different economics and different set of limitations and criteria than 
wireline providers. We often can do well what they can't, although limited 
in other areas that they do well.


Wireless on the other hand, is still to expensive on a individual level, to 
replace Dial Up.  The cable isn't already there, we need to actually deploy 
something, and wireless companies do not yet have the same support structure 
that monopolies and utilities have.  I'd argue that under served America is 
NOT the fault or choice of consumers, it is the CLEAR undisputed failure of 
Governement officials and legislators and wireless manufacturers.  The 
manufacturers have an excuse, they don't want to risk money on a potential 
business model, when the industry has zero support by the governement.   It 
important not to confuse what I am saying, this is NOT a request for Muni 
broadband.  The problem is that somewhere along the line, the Governement 
decided that it is no longer necessary to support small business.  Set up 
programs that gives it all to the goliath companies.  They'd rather develop 
programs to support a super company, than thousands of companies that could 
work togeather to create a greater more efficient army.   Everyone wants 
Earthlink.  Yeah, thats going to be fast, as they all wait in line for the 
same company.  Forgetting that the people that want to bring broadband to 
the underserved with a vengence are the ones that live their and know the 
deficiency and market exists.  Any way you slice it, a small local company 
can deliver service more accurately and quickly, and more sincerity for 
quality, for all the advantages that the local provider possesses. 
Sometimes I wish our governement was run by Pre-Schoolers, because even they 
get it, and are tought the principles early on.  You don't hire a giant, to 
crawl into a tiny crawl space, they don't fit, no matter how big and strong 
they are. Its OK to be small.


The truth is a broad statistical survey will never bring out the true 
feelings of all the people needing served. Small samples do not adequately 
find the holes full of frustrated people.
Your local provider know who these people are.  What the country needs is 
not governements facilitating exclusivity in exchange for incouraging third 
party investment in their communities, to put their local community 
professionals in the field out of the business.  What this country needs is 
powerful support for the small local 

[WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-20 Thread John Scrivner
As you guys know my company was having some serious speed and 
reliability issues with our existing Trango backhaul some time back. We 
have about 25 tower locations in Southern Illinois which until recently 
were all fed from these Trango radios. We had countless short outages, 
signal irregularities, bandwidth crunches, etc. The Trangos used to work 
just fine. In the last year or so the Trango links have become a big 
problem for us. We tried several things to fix these problems but the 
Trangos were simply being pushed to do more than they were designed to 
do. The amount of packet counts, speed, etc. we needed to reliably serve 
the towers simply was too much for these radios and they were buckling 
under the strain.


I have always thought highly of Alvarion and knew we could probably find 
a good place for their equipment in our network someday. Previously the 
trouble with choosing Alvarion had always been that we either needed 
something they did not offer at the time needed ( as was the case when 
we selected Trango for multi-point 5 GHz backhaul back in the day) or 
that they were too expensive. Alvarion finally has a place in our network.


In the case of our troubled backhaul links Alvarion's VL product seemed 
to fit the bill to help us now. We had seen reports of 50,000 packet per 
second throughput and up to 35 megabit per second capacity with the new 
Version 4 of the VL firmware. When I asked about the product I was 
directed to a guy named Mike Cowan of Wireless Connections who is a RF 
engineer and sells Alvarion VL.


Mike spent an incredible amount of time with our staff to look over the 
issues we were having and help us find ways of correcting it. He never 
charged us a dime for what I consider to be thousands of dollars worth 
of support and training. Mike Cowan and Alvarion did more for us to help 
us build a better WISP network than any vendor ever has since the day I 
became a WISP.


We also had some serious peer to peer traffic issues on our network 
which were resolved with a Mikrotik box running to slow down that 
traffic. The combination of this box and the new more robust Alvarion VL 
backhaul has led customers to remark, It's like the difference between 
night and day. We have zero downtime on our backhaul now. We were 
getting countless reports of downtime from our network monitoring system 
before. Now it just works.


I don't think I can overstate the impact Alvarion VL has had on my 
network. If you are having problems with your network then you need to 
at least call Alvarion and give them a shot. In the last three months or 
so we have migrated about 40% of our backhaul links over to Alvarion VL. 
Since that time outages on those most troubled links have vanished. 
Throughput has tripled. People have gone from screaming and yelling to 
sending their friends to us to hookup.


If you guys want to compare the numbers out there I am sure you will 
find a few  different systems that will give comparable umbers to what 
we are seeing with Alvarion VL. What you do not see in those numbers is 
the quality and the reliability of the system. I have always been a 
tinkerer and I will continue to tinker. What I believe though is that 
there is something to be said for buying a high-quality, engineered 
system and that is what you get with Alvarion VL. If you have tower 
locations and/or enterprise customers who cannot afford to be a test 
subject for your tinkering then consider calling Alvarion for those 
links. There is no shame in admitting you cannot possibly build a system 
as reliable as a company who has spent millions of dollars and hired 
countless designers to research and build a better data radio. I am 
certainly not ashamed to admit it.


For the record, I publicly announced that I would report these findings 
after I bought some Alvarion VL some time back. This was prior to 
Alvarion joining WISPA as a vendor. While my report here is almost like 
reading an Alvarion advertisement I can tell you that it is not. I have 
not been paid to give this shining recommendation and Alvarion has 
earned my personal support outside of my relationship with them through 
WISPA. Thank you, Alvarion, for giving me a better network.

Scriv
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[WISPA] RE: Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-20 Thread Patrick Leary
I hereby certify that I have not taken over Scriv's body or keyboard.
...Hey John, have my guys finished painting your house for you, grooming
your dogs, cleaning your boots and darning your socks?

Patrick 

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

As you guys know my company was having some serious speed and 
reliability issues with our existing Trango backhaul some time back. We 
have about 25 tower locations in Southern Illinois which until recently 
were all fed from these Trango radios. We had countless short outages, 
signal irregularities, bandwidth crunches, etc. The Trangos used to work

just fine. In the last year or so the Trango links have become a big 
problem for us. We tried several things to fix these problems but the 
Trangos were simply being pushed to do more than they were designed to 
do. The amount of packet counts, speed, etc. we needed to reliably serve

the towers simply was too much for these radios and they were buckling 
under the strain.

I have always thought highly of Alvarion and knew we could probably find

a good place for their equipment in our network someday. Previously the 
trouble with choosing Alvarion had always been that we either needed 
something they did not offer at the time needed ( as was the case when 
we selected Trango for multi-point 5 GHz backhaul back in the day) or 
that they were too expensive. Alvarion finally has a place in our
network.

In the case of our troubled backhaul links Alvarion's VL product seemed 
to fit the bill to help us now. We had seen reports of 50,000 packet per

second throughput and up to 35 megabit per second capacity with the new 
Version 4 of the VL firmware. When I asked about the product I was 
directed to a guy named Mike Cowan of Wireless Connections who is a RF 
engineer and sells Alvarion VL.

Mike spent an incredible amount of time with our staff to look over the 
issues we were having and help us find ways of correcting it. He never 
charged us a dime for what I consider to be thousands of dollars worth 
of support and training. Mike Cowan and Alvarion did more for us to help

us build a better WISP network than any vendor ever has since the day I 
became a WISP.

We also had some serious peer to peer traffic issues on our network 
which were resolved with a Mikrotik box running to slow down that 
traffic. The combination of this box and the new more robust Alvarion VL

backhaul has led customers to remark, It's like the difference between 
night and day. We have zero downtime on our backhaul now. We were 
getting countless reports of downtime from our network monitoring system

before. Now it just works.

I don't think I can overstate the impact Alvarion VL has had on my 
network. If you are having problems with your network then you need to 
at least call Alvarion and give them a shot. In the last three months or

so we have migrated about 40% of our backhaul links over to Alvarion VL.

Since that time outages on those most troubled links have vanished. 
Throughput has tripled. People have gone from screaming and yelling to 
sending their friends to us to hookup.

If you guys want to compare the numbers out there I am sure you will 
find a few  different systems that will give comparable umbers to what 
we are seeing with Alvarion VL. What you do not see in those numbers is 
the quality and the reliability of the system. I have always been a 
tinkerer and I will continue to tinker. What I believe though is that 
there is something to be said for buying a high-quality, engineered 
system and that is what you get with Alvarion VL. If you have tower 
locations and/or enterprise customers who cannot afford to be a test 
subject for your tinkering then consider calling Alvarion for those 
links. There is no shame in admitting you cannot possibly build a system

as reliable as a company who has spent millions of dollars and hired 
countless designers to research and build a better data radio. I am 
certainly not ashamed to admit it.

For the record, I publicly announced that I would report these findings 
after I bought some Alvarion VL some time back. This was prior to 
Alvarion joining WISPA as a vendor. While my report here is almost like 
reading an Alvarion advertisement I can tell you that it is not. I have 
not been paid to give this shining recommendation and Alvarion has 
earned my personal support outside of my relationship with them through 
WISPA. Thank you, Alvarion, for giving me a better network.
Scriv



 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Sam Tetherow
Wow, if they really believe that, I wonder how they expect the American 
public to buy a car?  Gee, Ford, Chevy, GMC, KIA, Toyota, Subaru ...

Econo, Sedan, Van, SUV, Pickup ...
Sheesh, I guess I'll just walk to work.

Buying groceries oh Lord I'm suprised we haven't starved to death in the 
canned goods aisle trying to decide what type of tomato sauce to buy, 
roasted garlic, low salt, herb and butter ...


I can't speak for Urban areas as I don't live in one or serve one, but 
in BFE where we have 3 ISPs.  I know several people that don't have 
internet, don't have a computer and don't want one (don't know how they 
function, just saying I see it regularly).  I also know several people 
that only have dialup, and know that they pay $20/mo for dialup when 
they can get my bottom end wireless for $25/mo and not tie up their 
phone line.  They are not interested, they use it to send the occasional 
email and that is it.  I've tried marketing to them, I've laid it out, 
but they persist in not spending the extra $5 dollars.  I doubt they 
would spend an extra $2.


I have a $30 plan for 390K and a $40 plan for 2M, more than 80% of my 
customers are on the $30 plan because it meets their needs.  It doesn't 
matter to them that for only $10 more a month they can get 5 times the 
speed.



Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this...  The
biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY

Oh, please.   Spare us the insane idiocy...



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email me at mark at neofast dot net
541-969-8200
Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net


  

The main problem seems to be the free-market telecom frenzy that has
enveloped the US (and much of its population) in technology and price
uncertainty. With no national broadband policy in place, multiple
service providers are targeting affluent urban areas, while leaving many
poor and rural dwellers to fend for themselves. In big cities, that
means consumers face daunting broadband choices. Should they sign a
contract with their cable provider or telco? Wait for the installation
of a Wi-Fi network? Choose an alternate provider like EarthLink? And
which broadband technology is the best? Many just stick with what they
know best: the slow but reliable telephone.




  


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Re: [WISPA] iTunes movie downloads announced

2006-09-20 Thread Sam Tetherow
Good, maybe I can see some upgrades on my cheapo accounts.  Of course, 
in Valentine, 30 minutes you can go to the video store rent the movie, 
come home, make popcorn and be 20 minutes into the movie in the same 
amount of time ;)  I'm sure we'll see an uptick while it is new though.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:
I expect we will be seeing an uptick in download traffic following the 
availability of this service.


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] iTunes movie downloads announced

2006-09-20 Thread Matt Liotta
They have already sold 125,000 movies. See 
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060919/disney_online_movies.html


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:
Good, maybe I can see some upgrades on my cheapo accounts.  Of course, 
in Valentine, 30 minutes you can go to the video store rent the movie, 
come home, make popcorn and be 20 minutes into the movie in the same 
amount of time ;)  I'm sure we'll see an uptick while it is new though.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:
I expect we will be seeing an uptick in download traffic following 
the availability of this service.


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Anthony Will
I have a $30 plan for 390K and a $40 plan for 2M, more than 80% of my 
customers are on the $30 plan because it meets their needs.  It doesn't 
matter to them that for only $10 more a month they can get 5 times the 
speed.


Actually you did that to your self.  Your 80% is dead on.  You see you 
have a basic plan, a value plan and a advanced plan.  Generally speaking 
you will have 80% of a subscriber base utilize your middle plan.  That 
is just how it works and why so many organizations offer the 3 tiered 
service.  If you wanted your customers on a say $50 plan.  You would 
create the $30 basic plan the $50 value plan and the keep up with the 
jones $75 plan.  Almost 9 times out of 10 they will go for the middle 
package if they have decided to purchase your solution.  This works if 
your selling ice cream or Internet it is a basic rule of marketing.


Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

Sam Tetherow wrote:
Wow, if they really believe that, I wonder how they expect the 
American public to buy a car?  Gee, Ford, Chevy, GMC, KIA, Toyota, 
Subaru ...

Econo, Sedan, Van, SUV, Pickup ...
Sheesh, I guess I'll just walk to work.

Buying groceries oh Lord I'm suprised we haven't starved to death in 
the canned goods aisle trying to decide what type of tomato sauce to 
buy, roasted garlic, low salt, herb and butter ...


I can't speak for Urban areas as I don't live in one or serve one, but 
in BFE where we have 3 ISPs.  I know several people that don't have 
internet, don't have a computer and don't want one (don't know how 
they function, just saying I see it regularly).  I also know several 
people that only have dialup, and know that they pay $20/mo for dialup 
when they can get my bottom end wireless for $25/mo and not tie up 
their phone line.  They are not interested, they use it to send the 
occasional email and that is it.  I've tried marketing to them, I've 
laid it out, but they persist in not spending the extra $5 dollars.  I 
doubt they would spend an extra $2.


I have a $30 plan for 390K and a $40 plan for 2M, more than 80% of my 
customers are on the $30 plan because it meets their needs.  It 
doesn't matter to them that for only $10 more a month they can get 5 
times the speed.



Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to write this...  The
biggest problem is a lack of FEDERAL POLICY

Oh, please.   Spare us the insane idiocy...



+++
neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East 
Washington

email me at mark at neofast dot net
541-969-8200
Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net


 

The main problem seems to be the free-market telecom frenzy that has
enveloped the US (and much of its population) in technology and price
uncertainty. With no national broadband policy in place, multiple
service providers are targeting affluent urban areas, while leaving 
many

poor and rural dwellers to fend for themselves. In big cities, that
means consumers face daunting broadband choices. Should they sign a
contract with their cable provider or telco? Wait for the installation
of a Wi-Fi network? Choose an alternate provider like EarthLink? And
which broadband technology is the best? Many just stick with what they
know best: the slow but reliable telephone.




  



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RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread Mac Dearman
Mark Koskenmaki:

Am I missing something? 

YES!! No doubt!

Is this just a setting problem or ???


Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you
need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference
between a RB532  a RB112. 
Were these vital links? 
Were they mission critical links?
Do you have residual money coming in off these links?

 If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential
RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit
bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and
get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for!

 Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss
as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were built
for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to
pass through them all at once.

I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one
complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and
this complaint is along those lines. 

You get what you pay for!!

Mac







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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition

2006-09-20 Thread Peter R.

Tom DeReggi wrote:


Peter,

 Other figures from research firms like Forrester
show that only about 40% of Americans have high-speed connections at
home, 30% rely on dial-up and 25% don’t have any Internet connections at
all!

I do not disagree with those statistics. I disagree with your 
statement that most DialUp users are DialUp users by choice, and that 
most people that don't have Internet are doing so by choice.


I think you are inferring there, but I know several people who keep 
dial-up (mostly with AOL) because of the pain of change, including my 
sister, who could get SBC DSL by Yahoo for less than her AOL account.  
So yeah many are on it on purpose.  A buddy keeps dial-up at home so his 
kids will not get addicted and be on MySpace all night. Again on purpose 
he has dial-up.


The facts are, 60% of America is under served, which is both 
embaressing for the US, and a call for opportunity.  In todays world, 
there is justification for every home in America to have broadband and 
to have a computer.  Not having a computer, is no longer a valid 
arguement. Even the most impoverished homes, can manage to budget to 
buy a $300 computer from BestBuy, that includes monitor and printer.  


Yeah. People on welfare buy PC's. They buy Xbox. It's a status and 
social thing. But I won't write a thesis on it. Again this is from 
personal experience.


Or for that matter to get a FREE used donated computer.  A pentium pc, 
does Broadband fine (although slow and problematic).  The reason 
people do not buy broadband, is NOT price. It doesn't need to be 
cheaper. There is already cost justification, the end user just 
doesn't always realize it at first.  Understanding that the Average 
DialUp user is paying $35 a month already (line and service).  The 
problem is that broadband is to cheap.  So large players can't justify 
expansion into lower profit centers, by subsidees of higher paying 
subs.  The problem is that users DO NOT HAVE OPTIONS.  USERS HAVE NOT 
BEEN SOLICITED WITH PROPER SALES AND MARKETING TO CONVINCE THEM THEY 
NEED IT, BECAUE IT IS POINTLESS WHEN IT IS NOT AVAILABLE.


I think the duopoly is doing a great job of marketing and lowering the 
ARPU to get everyone on the internet.
But I am still amazed when I ask people for an email - and they don't 
have one!


- Peter
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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread John Scrivner
Mac! Let's turn the temperature of this debate down a few degrees. You 
guys are taking a quick trip to Flamesville here. You can drive your 
point home without driving it into someone's backside. Let's be civil here.

Thanks,
Scriv


Mac Dearman wrote:


Mark Koskenmaki:

 

Am I missing something? 
 



YES!! No doubt!

 


Is this just a setting problem or ???
 




Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you
need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference
between a RB532  a RB112. 
Were these vital links? 
Were they mission critical links?

Do you have residual money coming in off these links?

If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential
RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit
bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and
get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for!

Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss
as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were built
for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to
pass through them all at once.

I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one
complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and
this complaint is along those lines. 


You get what you pay for!!

Mac







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email me at mark at neofast dot net
541-969-8200
Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net

 


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