[WISPA] SF Muni Wi-Fi

2006-10-17 Thread Peter R.

http://featured.gigaom.com/2006/10/04/sf-wifi-meeting/

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[WISPA] ATT-BST Merger Comments welcome

2006-10-17 Thread Peter R.
Interested parties must file comments no later than October 24, 2006. 
Persons and entities that
file comments become parties to the proceeding. They may participate 
fully in the proceeding, including
seeking access to any confidential information that may be filed under a 
protective order, seeking
reconsideration of decisions, and filing appeals of a final decision to 
the courts. All filings concerning
matters referenced in this Public Notice should refer to DA 06-2035 and 
WC Docket No. 06-74.


Comment intelligently to the FCC here:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs
All comments become part of the public record.

Thank you.

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[WISPA] Hotspot revenue

2006-10-17 Thread chris cooper








How many of you have done an advertising based revenue model
for hotspots or mesh? Im interested in discussing how folks have
monetized the captive eyeballs of both their customer base and/or the transient
users that traverse the hotspot network.



Thanks

Chris Cooper

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[WISPA] Introduction

2006-10-17 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Hi all,

I was told to hop on over to this WISP List also, if you monitor the
MikroTik or WISP lists from part-15, then you may already know of me. 

I am Dennis Burgess, from 2K Wireless.  We are located in Festus, MO, just
south of St. Louis.  We have been operating for almost 3 years now, still
small and underdeveloped!  I have a number of certifications and do work for
a number of private companies including holding a full time job as Director
of IT for a group of local dealerships in and around St. Louis.I am MT
certified and do provide after hours MT consulting and TCP/IP network
design.   All of the relevant info is below!  

Hope to learn a lot more and give out some of what I have learned here on
the WISPA list.

Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[WISPA] ot, internet home user security info

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Hi All,

I'd like to add some info to our tech support site.  What I'm specifically 
looking for is a site that shows some examples of phishing, virus', identy 
theft etc.  Anyone know of a site that's already done?  OR do I need to make 
one?


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Re: [WISPA] Introduction

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

welcome to the best list on the net Dennis!

Good to have ya hear.

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- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:22 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Introduction



Hi all,

I was told to hop on over to this WISP List also, if you monitor the
MikroTik or WISP lists from part-15, then you may already know of me.

I am Dennis Burgess, from 2K Wireless.  We are located in Festus, MO, just
south of St. Louis.  We have been operating for almost 3 years now, still
small and underdeveloped!  I have a number of certifications and do work 
for
a number of private companies including holding a full time job as 
Director

of IT for a group of local dealerships in and around St. Louis.I am MT
certified and do provide after hours MT consulting and TCP/IP network
design.   All of the relevant info is below!

Hope to learn a lot more and give out some of what I have learned here on
the WISPA list.

Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.2kwireless.com

2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network
consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking,
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[WISPA] Fw: WiFi Max

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

oh brother.

Sent by one email addy, signed by someone else.  Got my area code right 
though!


The link makes for a funny read.

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- Original Message - 
From: Sun Wu-Kong [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: WiFi Max



Marlon have you heard about this one?

http://advancedmediacommittee.typepad.com/emmyadvancedmedia/2005/11/the_wimax_price.html

Sounds too good to be true.
I took my cell and laptop to the top of the hill just south of my house 
(est elevation 3000 ft pluss) no signal on cell or wi fi.  I am going to 
buy one of the nuckle drive sized usb antennas and hook it up to a 
parabolic antenna and try again.


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Re: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people...

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

thanks Mark!

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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people...



Ok, list, this is your lucky day.   You get something for nothing.

Attached is the spreadsheet I designed to help design solar sites.   It
makes some rough calculations, and some safe assumptions about how much
power you use, vs how much you need to generate, and how much battery
capacity you need in order to not deep discharge your batteries during no
sun conditions.

This is designed to last several years, taking into account:   not
discharging batteries more than 50%, loss of battery capacity over time,
etc.

Hope it's useful to you.

Now, as far as the specific solar products go, you have to choose the 
panels

by what is available at the time you need it.   There's a generalized
shortage of solar panels, so the selection is always limited and sometimes
you simply have to work around, rather than use the ideal setup.


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Re: [WISPA] ot, internet home user security info

2006-10-17 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

http://www.scambusters.org/

They seem to know about everything.  I always direct people to it when
they ask about emails that are clearly bogus.

Lonnie

On 10/17/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi All,

I'd like to add some info to our tech support site.  What I'm specifically
looking for is a site that shows some examples of phishing, virus', identy
theft etc.  Anyone know of a site that's already done?  OR do I need to make
one?

laters,
Marlon
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64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-17 Thread Jenco Wireless
DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping).



Brad Hagstrom


On 10/17/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a spreadsheet like that posted for solar? 
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[WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086669

I have not got to the spreadsheet, but the post was well worth the 5 
minute read, and I'm looking forward to getting some numbers down on the 
spreadsheet.  I think this could help some of us.


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[WISPA] more security reading

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm

Don't seem to hear about these nearly as often anymore though.  Have things 
gotten better or have I just been living under a rock for too long?


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[WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

2006-10-17 Thread Carl A Jeptha

Anybody been able to block the stockmarket spam???
My Merak with Spamassassin is loosing the battle.

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[WISPA] security thread from 2001. What, if anything, has changed since then?

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181


- Original Message -
From: Chris Maxwell, WDSL Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Hackers can penetrate wireless network


 OK, before we get too far into these security arguments too far,
 lets look at what we are trying to prove:

  1. Is it possible to gain usable access to a wireless network
  2. Is it easier than on a wired network?

 First, a basic premise of security: there is no such thing as secure
 in the sense implied - security is the art of making it so difficult
 to break in, or so time consuming to do so that the investment
 outweighs the return.  Fort Knox, Camp David, Area 51, etc are NOT
SECURE -
 they simply have measures in place to make it extremely difficult to
 penetrate, and active monitoring to alert sysadmins

 1.  Yes, it is possible to break into any network given enough
 time/money.  For wireless, just listen, store, and decrypt to gain
 information, and spoof for access.  For hardwire networks/telco, find
 a wiring closet and some alligator clips.  Even T1's are not safe - a
 few minutes in a manhole with the right equipment and you can
 man-in-the-middle a T1 as well.  Fibre - a little more difficult since
 you cannot just tap the line, but a pair of repeating splitters and
 you're in business.

 2. Depending on what type of wired network you compare it to, it can
 be easier or harder to break into a wireless network.  A well designed
 network with multiple layers of firewalls, access codes, MAC
 verification, encryption, and active detection is extremely hard to
 break into, especially since a sysadmin is notified when the break-in
 starts.

 The level of security needed also must be based on the type of service
 being offered - public internet access, contrary to public belief does
 not need to be secure since the other 10-15 hops on the public
 internet are also unencrypted and readily sniffed.  Its a lot easier
 to social engineer a router password in a NOC than people are lead to
 believe.  For a business network with transactions encryption is
 required, but that does not guarantee security either - it just
 prevents casual peeking, a determined effort could brute-force break
 the encrypted packets - but is it worth the effort?
 Do banks use greater than 128 bit encryption for inter-bank transfers?
 Most certainly not - in fact many banking transactions still travel
 unencrypted over analog lines that any pre-teen with alligator clips
 and a 14.4 modem hacked to listen only can watch.

 Is current wireless technology (with or without WEP) sufficient to
 stop the casual listener - most certainly, since the barrier to entry
 is the cost of equipment (keeps the script kiddy's away).  Is it
 secure enough to stop a determined break in - no more than any other
 wired solution, and since the gear is usually on the roof, locked up
 you have a leg up on the DSL guys - since their termination jacks are
 all outside, unlocked, and calling out to be opened.

 Best regards,
 Chris Maxwell
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Re: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people...

2006-10-17 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I should point out that this calculator is for severe weather northern
climates.

If you live in some place that doesn't see week-long winter inversions or
dense cloud conditions that last a week or more, there are some assumptions
that can be altered some that will reduce, for instance, the battery
capacity requirements.

I have to prepare for up to 8 days in a row with NO generation whatsoever.
In fact, it'll be so dark that you can't drive without your lights, for fear
of getting hit.

But, for someone like Mac, who rarely has storms longer than 2 days,  it can
be adjusted.   The formula in the cell for battery capacity is set for 25
days of capacity.   Down in Louisiana, it could be dropped to 10 days, for
instance.

If you're putting this on a mountaintop, where snow may occaisionally
obscure the panels for a while after a storm, you might need to up the
battery days to 30 or 45, just to be safe.   Maybe you have some site that
gets fogged in...   That must be taken into account.

If you're going to do that, then your margin better hit close to 20 percent,
too.

Set your system voltage,  you can find your insolation value here:

http://www.solarseller.com/solar_insolation_maps_and_chart_.htm

Use the minimum figure in the field labelled hours.

It's not exact, but close enough to work.





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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people...


 Ok, list, this is your lucky day.   You get something for nothing.

 Attached is the spreadsheet I designed to help design solar sites.   It
 makes some rough calculations, and some safe assumptions about how much
 power you use, vs how much you need to generate, and how much battery
 capacity you need in order to not deep discharge your batteries during no
 sun conditions.

 This is designed to last several years, taking into account:   not
 discharging batteries more than 50%, loss of battery capacity over time,
 etc.

 Hope it's useful to you.

 Now, as far as the specific solar products go, you have to choose the
panels
 by what is available at the time you need it.   There's a generalized
 shortage of solar panels, so the selection is always limited and sometimes
 you simply have to work around, rather than use the ideal setup.


 +++
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Washington
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: WiFi Max

2006-10-17 Thread Mike Ireton

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

oh brother.

Sent by one email addy, signed by someone else.  Got my area code right 
though!


The link makes for a funny read.



I got a better one just the other day... a letter arrived advising us 
that a new service will be available in 2007 that offers t1 speed UP and 
DOWN for $19.99/mo and will be available anywhere you want to be. It's a 
pure MLM (and MMF!) ploy of course, but what really keeps me laughing 
are the phony bs claims their website makes. Here's the link:


http://www.itsyournet.com/go/12055jz/public__wireless_internet.html

They claim it'll go 30 miles, thru trees, buildings, and 20' 
underground, and yet it's being marketed via MLM and to MMF devotees, 
not Moto/Intel/Atheros/Broadcom/TI and the others who could actually 
take such a technology and make real working products that would find 
their way into the hands of us.


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Re: [WISPA] more security reading

2006-10-17 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
For small guys like me, the upstream provider usually is actively involved
in stemming DOS attacks - and often thier upstream as well.I know that
they have been the subject of a couple of DDOS attacks, but yet we managed
to stay online with only some spikey latency and poor throughput to show.

The one thing I could not deal with alone, was when I was subjected to a
spam attack, where coordinated spamming was directed at my mail server, so
fast and so numerous were the attempts to send mail to it, that it came to a
halt, unable to send or receieve mail, and I literally chewed through 2.5
gigs of data transfer in a few hours- all inbound atttempts to send spam.

My upstream  (also host my web and mail services) blocked that attack and
some future ones.

I routinely see ssh probes,  ping scans, and other somewhat malicious
traffic attempting to reach my network.   Some of which I have blocked now
right at the gateway to my provider.




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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: [WISPA] more security reading


 http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm

 Don't seem to hear about these nearly as often anymore though.  Have
things
 gotten better or have I just been living under a rock for too long?

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 Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

our postini is doing a pretty good job.

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- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General 
List wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:35 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam



Anybody been able to block the stockmarket spam???
My Merak with Spamassassin is loosing the battle.

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Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

2006-10-17 Thread N White

Carl A Jeptha wrote:

Anybody been able to block the stockmarket spam???
My Merak with Spamassassin is loosing the battle.


That seems to be our only weakness. Also using SpamAssassin.

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[WISPA] Level3 buys Broadwing

2006-10-17 Thread Peter R.

That just leaves XO and Qwest in the cold.


http://www.level3.com/press/7625.html

Acquisition Expected to be Adjusted OIBDA Positive in 2007 and Cash Flow
Positive in 2008

Purchase Price of Approximately $1.4 Billion in Aggregate Cash and Stock

Acquisition Expected to Accelerate Growth of Level 3's Business Markets
Group

Under the terms of the agreement, Level 3 will pay $8.18 of cash plus 1.3411
shares of Level 3 common stock for each share of Broadwing common stock
outstanding at closing. In total, Level 3 currently expects to pay
approximately $744 million of cash and issue approximately 122 million
shares.

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Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

Although he has spent some time and efforts, many of his numbers are WAY 
off:


$50 installs (contract labor)
customers paying $360 for installation
$40 per month ARPU (for a startup WISP is not realistic today with $15 DSL)

Just taking the installation numbers away completely changes this 
sheet... we are doing $99 installs and include a free Linksys wireless 
firewall/router. So now instead of making $15 per install, he will be 
losing $246. So now after 2 years, the company is making $11,736 per 
month profit but still shows $42,000 in debt (from the first 2 years) 
and hasn't paid anything back to the investors, banks, etc.


Now, if you use the same sheet, lease the CPE ($5/mo per customer) and 
still buy the Linksys router for $40, the company is making $18,800 per 
month profit and has $98,000 in cash after 2 years. ;)


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086669

I have not got to the spreadsheet, but the post was well worth the 5 
minute read, and I'm looking forward to getting some numbers down on 
the spreadsheet.  I think this could help some of us.


Brian


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[WISPA] Airband acquires RedWire with eye on WiMAX

2006-10-17 Thread Matt Liotta

http://rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=27551
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Re: [WISPA]CovadExpandsBroadband WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition

2006-10-17 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:
I believe in the next year there will be a hgih volume bid war for 
WISPs in major markets getting top dollar.
The reason is that, the Hype of Wireless is more valuable to a large 
publically traded ISP, in stock holder perception, than the network 
and revenue that they are buying.
The average consumer doesn't understand jack about what wireless's 
capabilty is, they just know Wireless is the next big thing, and the 
providers that own the major markets have the best chance to win in 
the long run.


As much as perception drives Wall Street, customers and revenue still 
matter. With licensed spectrum it is easy to talk about future 
opportunity and sell based on that. With unlicensed spectrum you can't 
do that; you must sell on actual results.


There won't be a bidding war for WISPs because there are hardly any 
worth fighting over. That's not to say that folks won't be bought, but I 
think people need to get their expectations more in line with where the 
market is. Unless your company has built sufficient barriers to entry 
then it is hard to demand top dollar. Without that then it becomes a 
simple build vs buy decision.


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RE: [WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Rick Smith
exactly the mistake my company made.  Shoulda, woulda, coulda leased...

'cept in NJ, it's $125 contract labor, and $244 for installation (199
install / 45 first month), oh and no free towers, they're all (16 of them)
$500 / month / each at LEAST

No free lunch.  So to answer the previous question #3, no you will not be
making tons of money - you will be eating your shirt :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

Hi,

Although he has spent some time and efforts, many of his numbers are WAY
off:

$50 installs (contract labor)
customers paying $360 for installation
$40 per month ARPU (for a startup WISP is not realistic today with $15 DSL)

Just taking the installation numbers away completely changes this sheet...
we are doing $99 installs and include a free Linksys wireless
firewall/router. So now instead of making $15 per install, he will be losing
$246. So now after 2 years, the company is making $11,736 per month profit
but still shows $42,000 in debt (from the first 2 years) and hasn't paid
anything back to the investors, banks, etc.

Now, if you use the same sheet, lease the CPE ($5/mo per customer) and still
buy the Linksys router for $40, the company is making $18,800 per month
profit and has $98,000 in cash after 2 years. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086669

 I have not got to the spreadsheet, but the post was well worth the 5 
 minute read, and I'm looking forward to getting some numbers down on 
 the spreadsheet.  I think this could help some of us.

 Brian

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Re: [WISPA]CovadExpandsBroadband WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition

2006-10-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Unless your company has built sufficient barriers to entry then it is hard 
to demand top dollar. Without that then it becomes a simple build vs buy 
decision.


I agree with that.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:42 PM
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WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition




Tom DeReggi wrote:
I believe in the next year there will be a hgih volume bid war for WISPs 
in major markets getting top dollar.
The reason is that, the Hype of Wireless is more valuable to a large 
publically traded ISP, in stock holder perception, than the network and 
revenue that they are buying.
The average consumer doesn't understand jack about what wireless's 
capabilty is, they just know Wireless is the next big thing, and the 
providers that own the major markets have the best chance to win in the 
long run.


As much as perception drives Wall Street, customers and revenue still 
matter. With licensed spectrum it is easy to talk about future opportunity 
and sell based on that. With unlicensed spectrum you can't do that; you 
must sell on actual results.


There won't be a bidding war for WISPs because there are hardly any worth 
fighting over. That's not to say that folks won't be bought, but I think 
people need to get their expectations more in line with where the market 
is. Unless your company has built sufficient barriers to entry then it is 
hard to demand top dollar. Without that then it becomes a simple build vs 
buy decision.


-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer than 
your leases.
Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more growth 
than the year before.
Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), rarely 
covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much grander.
Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good.  But what happens 
in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose all your subs?
The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of 
dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities.  Will your business then last 
3 more years to pay off those leases?
The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, and 
while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more 
wastefully because it is there to spend.
There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve 
business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do you 
ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the business man 
that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and a dollar that can 
be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar today and deferring todays 
liabilties to tommorrow.  It order not to loose your butt leasing, one must 
predict accurately the date of their end came, so they know when the leases 
have to be paid off.
What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the things 
I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), people get 
lazy.  When you are hungry and wondering how you are going to pay 
tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed that not only 
is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can accomplish when they 
are backed against the wall and have no choice but to do it. Its amazing how 
much someone can save when they ahve a tight budget to conform to, and they 
know when the money is gone the money is gone.  Wether it makes sense to 
lease is not the golden question. The golden question is, how will you spend 
the money that becomes available because you leased.  That is what will 
seperate the winners from the loosers.


One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much more 
beneficial to reduce your costs $100, than to make $100 more income, because 
the $100 income have additional costs that grow with it.  I think leasing 
makes sense if you get good terms, and are short on cash flow, but if you 
are not frugal in spending along the way, one is just deffering their death 
by leasing.


Whats important is that the money spent, has something tangible and of value 
(holds its value on a reoccuring basis).  Things like high salaries that are 
spent and gone, or technology greater than one's need in a business with 
falling prices and rapid advancement, are monies spent that have little 
value after the fact.


Disclaimer, this comment does not negate the importance to determine the 
amount of capitol (cash) that will be needed and securing it before 
progressing with a business plan.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Are you making money?



exactly the mistake my company made.  Shoulda, woulda, coulda leased...

'cept in NJ, it's $125 contract labor, and $244 for installation (199
install / 45 first month), oh and no free towers, they're all (16 of them)
$500 / month / each at LEAST

No free lunch.  So to answer the previous question #3, no you will not be
making tons of money - you will be eating your shirt :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

Hi,

Although he has spent some time and efforts, many of his numbers are WAY
off:

$50 installs (contract labor)
customers paying $360 for installation
$40 per month ARPU (for a startup WISP is not realistic today with $15 
DSL)


Just taking the installation numbers away completely changes this sheet...
we are doing $99 installs and include a free Linksys wireless
firewall/router. So now instead of making $15 per install, he will be 
losing

$246. So now after 2 years, the company is making $11,736 per month profit
but still shows $42,000 in debt (from the first 2 years) and hasn't paid
anything back to the investors, banks, etc.

Now, if you use the same sheet, lease the CPE ($5/mo per customer) and 
still

buy the Linksys router for $40, the company is making $18,800 per month
profit and has $98,000 in cash after 2 years. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086669

I have not got to the spreadsheet, but the post was well worth the 5
minute read, and I'm 

RE: [WISPA] Introduction

2006-10-17 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Thanks dude! :)  

Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.2kwireless.com
 
2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network
consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking,
security, and Mikrotik routers.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
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welcome to the best list on the net Dennis!

Good to have ya hear.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:22 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Introduction


 Hi all,

 I was told to hop on over to this WISP List also, if you monitor the
 MikroTik or WISP lists from part-15, then you may already know of me.

 I am Dennis Burgess, from 2K Wireless.  We are located in Festus, MO, just
 south of St. Louis.  We have been operating for almost 3 years now, still
 small and underdeveloped!  I have a number of certifications and do work 
 for
 a number of private companies including holding a full time job as 
 Director
 of IT for a group of local dealerships in and around St. Louis.I am MT
 certified and do provide after hours MT consulting and TCP/IP network
 design.   All of the relevant info is below!

 Hope to learn a lot more and give out some of what I have learned here on
 the WISPA list.

 Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.2kwireless.com

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RE: [WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Brian Webster
Awesome post Tom, to bad many folks won't get the meaning of it. It goes
along with the old belief I bought it because it's a tax write off. In my
book if you can't write it off dollar for dollar spent you just wasted
money. If you only get a 30% write off then you just wasted 70% of the money
you spent. Now if you needed the item anyway then that's OK, but how many
folks will buy the new service truck because they need the write
off...I just love that one. I'd rather pay the 30% tax and keep
the other 70% in my pocket, but what do I know.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?


The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer than
your leases.
Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more growth
than the year before.
Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), rarely
covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much grander.
Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good.  But what happens
in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose all your subs?
The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of
dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities.  Will your business then last
3 more years to pay off those leases?
The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, and
while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more
wastefully because it is there to spend.
There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve
business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do you
ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the business man
that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and a dollar that can
be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar today and deferring todays
liabilties to tommorrow.  It order not to loose your butt leasing, one must
predict accurately the date of their end came, so they know when the leases
have to be paid off.
What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the things
I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), people get
lazy.  When you are hungry and wondering how you are going to pay
tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed that not only
is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can accomplish when they
are backed against the wall and have no choice but to do it. Its amazing how
much someone can save when they ahve a tight budget to conform to, and they
know when the money is gone the money is gone.  Wether it makes sense to
lease is not the golden question. The golden question is, how will you spend
the money that becomes available because you leased.  That is what will
seperate the winners from the loosers.

One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much more
beneficial to reduce your costs $100, than to make $100 more income, because
the $100 income have additional costs that grow with it.  I think leasing
makes sense if you get good terms, and are short on cash flow, but if you
are not frugal in spending along the way, one is just deffering their death
by leasing.

Whats important is that the money spent, has something tangible and of value
(holds its value on a reoccuring basis).  Things like high salaries that are
spent and gone, or technology greater than one's need in a business with
falling prices and rapid advancement, are monies spent that have little
value after the fact.

Disclaimer, this comment does not negate the importance to determine the
amount of capitol (cash) that will be needed and securing it before
progressing with a business plan.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Are you making money?


 exactly the mistake my company made.  Shoulda, woulda, coulda leased...

 'cept in NJ, it's $125 contract labor, and $244 for installation (199
 install / 45 first month), oh and no free towers, they're all (16 of them)
 $500 / month / each at LEAST

 No free lunch.  So to answer the previous question #3, no you will not be
 making tons of money - you will be eating your shirt :)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

 Hi,

 Although he has spent some time and efforts, many of his numbers are WAY
 off:

 $50 installs (contract labor)
 customers paying $360 for installation
 $40 per month ARPU (for a startup WISP is not realistic today with $15
 DSL)

 

Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Travis Johnson

Tom,

The idea is that you lease the CPE equipment. It costs you $5 per month 
per sub (using $149 CPE), and you are breaking even on the install. So 
from day one I am making money on the sub (and generating positive cash 
flow). I can then use that money to grow the business (more bandwidth, 
bigger routers, more towers, etc) and continue over and over and over.


Also, because I can lease 250 CPE at a time, I am getting a better 
price. Let's run some numbers:


Trango 2.4ghz CPE = $475 in single quantity
36 month lease on same CPE = $12/month = $432 total cost

So, even though I am paying interest for 36 months, the actual cost of 
the radio is less, but I don't have to come up with money for each sub 
that I install. Instead I am able to run the business from day to day 
without having to get over the next hurdle. I can pay good salaries, 
have nice office space, etc. because the business runs cash flow 
positive from day one with EVERY customer.


Plug the numbers into that spreadsheet that started this discussion and 
see which business model you would rather own in 2-3 years. There is 
nothing wrong with debt... you just have to manage it correctly. Each 
lease becomes an operating expense, just like bandwidth, tower rent, 
etc. The best part is in 3 years, you own the CPE. Even if only 80% of 
them are still operating, that's 80% new CPE you don't have to buy. ;)


For what it's worth, the tax write-off thing always gets me too. 
People almost talk like it's free money or something, instead of the 70% 
expense it really is. :)


Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:

The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer 
than your leases.
Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more 
growth than the year before.
Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), 
rarely covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much 
grander.
Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good.  But what 
happens in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose 
all your subs?
The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of 
dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities.  Will your business then 
last 3 more years to pay off those leases?
The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, 
and while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more 
wastefully because it is there to spend.
There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve 
business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do 
you ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the 
business man that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and 
a dollar that can be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar 
today and deferring todays liabilties to tommorrow.  It order not to 
loose your butt leasing, one must predict accurately the date of their 
end came, so they know when the leases have to be paid off.
What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the 
things I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), 
people get lazy.  When you are hungry and wondering how you are going 
to pay tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed 
that not only is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can 
accomplish when they are backed against the wall and have no choice 
but to do it. Its amazing how much someone can save when they ahve a 
tight budget to conform to, and they know when the money is gone the 
money is gone.  Wether it makes sense to lease is not the golden 
question. The golden question is, how will you spend the money that 
becomes available because you leased.  That is what will seperate the 
winners from the loosers.


One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much 
more beneficial to reduce your costs $100, than to make $100 more 
income, because the $100 income have additional costs that grow with 
it.  I think leasing makes sense if you get good terms, and are short 
on cash flow, but if you are not frugal in spending along the way, one 
is just deffering their death by leasing.


Whats important is that the money spent, has something tangible and of 
value (holds its value on a reoccuring basis).  Things like high 
salaries that are spent and gone, or technology greater than one's 
need in a business with falling prices and rapid advancement, are 
monies spent that have little value after the fact.


Disclaimer, this comment does not negate the importance to determine 
the amount of capitol (cash) that will be needed and securing it 
before progressing with a business plan.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Are you making money?



exactly the mistake my 

Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Matt Liotta
I believe you are applying a very simplistic view on a very complex 
subject. Leases are a financial tool and like any other tool must be 
used correctly in order to provide benefit. The CAPEX associated with 
wireless is a serious cash flow issue that operators must deal with. 
Leases provide a means of solving the cash flow issue, but don't address 
the actual capital needs of the business.


Tom's post seems to make the assumption that the term of the lease is 
long term and that it is possible to lose customers prior to the end of 
the lease term. There are several problems with these assumptions. 
First, leases can be structured in many different ways including the 
length. On a cash basis we generally plan on a CAPEX ROI of 6 months for 
customers signing 36 month contracts. As a growing company even this 
kind of ROI would destroy our cash flow. By leasing the equipment on a 
term shorter than the contract e.g. 18 months we are able to be cash 
flow positive on the customer immediately even including the debt 
service on the lease. This leads to the next point, which is that the 
lease term is less than the customer's contract. This ensures that we 
won't lose the customer before the lease term ends. The other important 
thing to consider is that even if we did lose the customer prior to 
their contract ending we still have the equipment, which we can redeploy 
to another customer.


Assuming a fixed amount of capital one can grow at a faster rate with 
leasing than without. However, that isn't the end of the story as growth 
can lower your capital requirements. This is because there are many cost 
thresholds in our industry that must be considered. For example, it is 
well understood that bandwidth is cheaper the more of it you commit to. 
Of course, it is foolish to commit to too much bandwidth simply to 
reduce the cost per meg only to pay in total beyond what you can 
justify. You can only justify more bandwidth by selling more bandwidth 
i.e. customer growth. Therefore, the simple act of growing can reduce 
your costs on a per customer basis. Unfortunately, that isn't the whole 
story on even this one small point because of the physical aspect of 
bandwidth, the circuit. Each circuit has a fixed cost and a fixed 
capacity regardless of the amount of bandwidth you commit to on it. 
Therefore, you must attempt to get the most efficient use of your 
circuit by maximizing its capacity. This means that you will need to buy 
a larger capacity circuit you can grow into, which means that every 
month you aren't selling customers hurts.


The above can be shown with any number of overhead items, I just 
happened to use bandwidth.


-Matt

Tom DeReggi wrote:
The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer 
than your leases.
Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more 
growth than the year before.
Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), 
rarely covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much 
grander.
Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good.  But what 
happens in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose 
all your subs?
The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of 
dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities.  Will your business then 
last 3 more years to pay off those leases?
The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, 
and while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more 
wastefully because it is there to spend.
There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve 
business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do 
you ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the 
business man that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and 
a dollar that can be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar 
today and deferring todays liabilties to tommorrow.  It order not to 
loose your butt leasing, one must predict accurately the date of their 
end came, so they know when the leases have to be paid off.
What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the 
things I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), 
people get lazy.  When you are hungry and wondering how you are going 
to pay tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed 
that not only is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can 
accomplish when they are backed against the wall and have no choice 
but to do it. Its amazing how much someone can save when they ahve a 
tight budget to conform to, and they know when the money is gone the 
money is gone.  Wether it makes sense to lease is not the golden 
question. The golden question is, how will you spend the money that 
becomes available because you leased.  That is what will seperate the 
winners from the loosers.


One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much 
more 

Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?

2006-10-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We will lease (usually borrow from the bank but I've done both) hardware for 
my end.  Never for the customer end though.  Other than my line of credit 
that is.


Has it hurt our growth?  Sure.  We were already deep in debt though.  I 
already know what a loosing battle that can turn into and how fast it can 
get there.


If you work really smart and have little or no bad luck, leasing can be a 
good thing.  So can owning the cpe.  What are you gonna do when it's time to 
forklift upgrade 500+ subs though?  Or what are you gonna do with the guy 
that comes in and offers $20 service against your $50 service?  Especially 
when that happens (as it most likely will) when you are just getting ready 
to put new hardware out there.  You know, the faster cheaper stuff.


In another year and a half almost everything we have will be paid for.  And 
we'll have good loyal customers.  And we'll be in a position to ward off all 
but the most idiotic competitor's price wars.


Things are still more than tight here.  We're still trying to kill off debt 
that predates the wireless business.  But it's all coming along.  We're able 
to cashflow larger and larger network upgrades.  And we've been getting the 
cc cards paid down (oh so slowly though).  Another 24 months and it'll be a 
bright new day here.  With NO need to run out and borrow more money for the 
next upgrades!


life is good
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From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?


The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer 
than your leases.
Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more 
growth than the year before.
Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), rarely 
covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much grander.
Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good.  But what happens 
in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose all your 
subs?
The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of 
dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities.  Will your business then 
last 3 more years to pay off those leases?
The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, and 
while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more 
wastefully because it is there to spend.
There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve 
business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do you 
ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the business 
man that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and a dollar 
that can be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar today and 
deferring todays liabilties to tommorrow.  It order not to loose your butt 
leasing, one must predict accurately the date of their end came, so they 
know when the leases have to be paid off.
What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the things 
I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), people get 
lazy.  When you are hungry and wondering how you are going to pay 
tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed that not 
only is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can accomplish 
when they are backed against the wall and have no choice but to do it. Its 
amazing how much someone can save when they ahve a tight budget to conform 
to, and they know when the money is gone the money is gone.  Wether it 
makes sense to lease is not the golden question. The golden question is, 
how will you spend the money that becomes available because you leased. 
That is what will seperate the winners from the loosers.


One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much more 
beneficial to reduce your costs $100, than to make $100 more income, 
because the $100 income have additional costs that grow with it.  I think 
leasing makes sense if you get good terms, and are short on cash flow, but 
if you are not frugal in spending along the way, one is just deffering 
their death by leasing.


Whats important is that the money spent, has something tangible and of 
value (holds its value on a reoccuring basis).  Things like high salaries 
that are spent and gone, or technology greater than one's need in a 
business with falling prices and rapid advancement, are monies spent that 
have little value after the fact.


Disclaimer, this comment does not negate the importance to determine the 
amount of capitol (cash) that will be needed and securing it before 
progressing with a business plan.


Tom 

[WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed

2006-10-17 Thread David Sovereen
I have equipment that I need installed on about 20 towers throughout Central 
Michigan and Northeast Wisconsin.  We have one tower company that we really, 
really like, but they are booked up solid for months (we've already waited a 
month in hopes something would open up, but no luck).  Does anyone have 
recommendations?  I have 6 new towers where 5.7 GHz backhauls and 2.4 GHz 
and 900 MHz APs need to be installed, and 14 towers needing augmenting, 
where new 900 MHz APs need to be installs.  The 900 MHz antennas we are 
using are MTi Horizontally-polarized Omnis, which are pretty big (at least 
compared to anything we've used before).


Ideally, a company that can fabricate mounts on-site (which our preferred 
company, St. Paul Tower, does) would be ideal, as we are installing on 
towers, as well as water towers, grain elevators, and smokestacks.


All recommendations are very welcome.  My contact info for any tower people 
on this list is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and phone 989-837-3790 ext 
151.


My apologies if solicitations of this nature are inappropriate for this 
list.


Thanks,

Dave 


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RE: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

2006-10-17 Thread rwf
Hi Marlon-

We use ASSP. It works great, but it fails a bit at the stock spam that has
been coming out lately. It is almost entirely a graphic with no readable
text.
I figure that the 300+ it kills from just my business and personal Email
accounts is justification for deleting 1-2 graphical ones a day.

How does postini filter the graphical spam?

Ralph
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

our postini is doing a pretty good job.


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RE: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-17 Thread rwf



Yep-

We 
look at Hamfests for any inductor with a "big hole" and pass the Ethernet or 
COAX through with as many turns as we can cram in the hole.

Ralph



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco 
WirelessSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:42 AMTo: WISPA 
General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightning

DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they 
filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was 
the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as 
possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable 
through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can 
possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the 
physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about 
everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping). 


Brad Hagstrom


On 10/17/06, Dylan 
Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
How 
  do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties 
  of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a 
  spreadsheet like that posted for solar? 
  Best,-- Dylan 
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Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

2006-10-17 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet

Just use spamAssassin with an OCR plugin it does wonders :)

On 10/17/06, rwf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Marlon-

We use ASSP. It works great, but it fails a bit at the stock spam that has
been coming out lately. It is almost entirely a graphic with no readable
text.
I figure that the 300+ it kills from just my business and personal Email
accounts is justification for deleting 1-2 graphical ones a day.

How does postini filter the graphical spam?

Ralph


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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

our postini is doing a pretty good job.


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Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam

2006-10-17 Thread David E. Smith

rwf wrote:


How does postini filter the graphical spam?


I can't speak for Postini, but Barracuda Networks' Spam Firewall (I 
hate that name) recently added OCR features. Basically, they read the 
graphics, which amuses me. It wouldn't surprise me if Postini were doing 
something similar.


David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed

2006-10-17 Thread Rick Smith
Hey Dave,

I don't know how much people know about what's goin on in JohnnyO's life
these days,
but he's completely switched himself around to tower crew mode.   He's got
all the gear,
all the people, and all the time in the world to be doin cross-country trips
to install
stuff for WISPs, at a good price, and a good clip.

As for manufacturing mounts on-site, I don't think there's any other way
with Johnny. I'd
hire him in a second to raise a tower of any height.

I'd love to pitch in - even in the design, etc...  I live in NJ, but could
make my way 
to MI as I've been looking at movin out that way lately.I've got about
20 vertical
miles on my legs, it seems :)

R


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Sovereen
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed

I have equipment that I need installed on about 20 towers throughout Central
Michigan and Northeast Wisconsin.  We have one tower company that we really,
really like, but they are booked up solid for months (we've already waited a
month in hopes something would open up, but no luck).  Does anyone have
recommendations?  I have 6 new towers where 5.7 GHz backhauls and 2.4 GHz
and 900 MHz APs need to be installed, and 14 towers needing augmenting,
where new 900 MHz APs need to be installs.  The 900 MHz antennas we are
using are MTi Horizontally-polarized Omnis, which are pretty big (at least
compared to anything we've used before).

Ideally, a company that can fabricate mounts on-site (which our preferred
company, St. Paul Tower, does) would be ideal, as we are installing on
towers, as well as water towers, grain elevators, and smokestacks.

All recommendations are very welcome.  My contact info for any tower people
on this list is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and phone 989-837-3790 ext
151.

My apologies if solicitations of this nature are inappropriate for this
list.

Thanks,

Dave 

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Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-17 Thread Jenco Wireless
It's the simple method - but it works !


Brad H

On 10/17/06, rwf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yep-

We look at Hamfests for any inductor with a big hole and pass the Ethernet or COAX through with as many turns as we can cram in the hole.


Ralph



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[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jenco WirelessSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:42 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightning



DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping). 



Brad Hagstrom


On 10/17/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: 
How do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a spreadsheet like that posted for solar? 
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RE: [WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed

2006-10-17 Thread Butch Evans

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Rick Smith wrote:

As for manufacturing mounts on-site, I don't think there's any 
other way with Johnny. I'd hire him in a second to raise a tower of 
any height.


JohnnyO is likely to be good at creating custom solutions. :-)  I 
heard he's doing a LOT of tower work lately.  He called me (from New 
Mexico) a couple weeks ago to look in on his network.  My 
understanding is that he is dropping AND raising towers.  Likely 
that he has a good bit of tower on the ground, too.


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