Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

2006-10-31 Thread Pete Davis




I like this statement from the DBOSS manual:
Automated assignment of static IP to customer's PCs and
gateways
Some network applications or services require the assignment of a
static IP
address. Voice Over IP (VOIP) is probably the most notable of such.
Normally,
the assignment of a static IP address would require that the customer's
PC be
manually configured. TEAM avoids this by provisioning IP addresses to
customers based on the IP address and the MAC address of the CPE
assigned
to the customer in dBOSS.


Isn't that DHCP? "Automated assignment of a static IP address" 

pd

Matt Liotta wrote:
I like how
they end their pitch...
  
  
"The reason and dreams behind getting into the WiSP business in the
first place
  
can finally be realized by contracting with RidgeviewTel’s WiSP
Services division."
  
  
-Matt
  
  
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

And then there are all the paid services.


http://www.dboss-online.com/


read the pdf

prices on page 22, but I emailed them and they said the prices are
changing. More like $250.00 a month for 0 - 250 customers (bundled
services)


http://www.dboss-online.com/wisp_services.pdf


Pretty neat services they offer. I'm not technical enough to do it all
on my own, this looks ok.


Give me some input here. Are all these services needed? How does the
value look?


Brian Rohrbacher

  
  




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Re: [WISPA] Anyone here using Vitelity.net for VOIP services?

2006-10-31 Thread Jeremy Davis

Butch Evans wrote:
I am having some issues and would like to see if anyone else using 
this service is having the same issues, or has some suggestions for 
getting it fixed.  I am ready to switch to another provider because 
Vitelity support sucks pretty badly anyway.


We had some callerid problems to start with.  Then they somehow mis 
provisioned our 1-800.  Everything got a lot better once we switched 
from IAX2 to SIP for the trunking protocol.  Give me a call today if 
there is anything I can do it help you out.  Matt Larsen has been using 
them as well and hasn't had any problems so far, but we are both still 
in the testing phase.


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614-347-6229
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Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I've had a truck with a 750 watt inverter in it for 5 plus years.  I 
don't use it everyday, but often enough.

http://www.heartlandamerica.com/browse/item.asp?PIN=35595;

Brian

Rick Smith wrote:


how long have you been doing it tho ?

I saw no issues for 3 - 4 mnths, then BAM!  No alternator.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

I use a 100 and 300 watt in my 99 F-350 with the engine running and not
running without any issue...

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

Hmmm... At first I had an '84 Chevy Van w/14'x7'x7' box on the back with a
1000 watt inverter.  Now I have a 2004 Ranger with a 100 watt inverter.
I
have never used the inverters with the motor running, though, so it won't
affect the alternator.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys


 


be careful using inverters.  I've used several, on two different
   


trucks in
 


my span here,
and burned out the alternator in short order in both trucks.  One was
   

a 
 


Jeep
Grand Cherokee, the latest a Ford Expedition with the high output
alternator

Running too many amps through the inverters puts a REALLY heavy load
   

on 
 


the
alternator...

I've used an inverter in the past to power laptop, trango, canopy,
routerboard and tranzeo setups in varying degrees.

I'm convinced that frequent usage of the inverters kills the
   


alternator.
 

Now, I just leave with a laptop fully charged and a couple of charged 
dewalt

18V batteries that power my radio setup.  The dewalts last from 1 to 2
   



 


hours
which is more
than enough time.   If we're surveying at a customer's home, we use
   


their
 


power to
power the radios and recharge my laptop :)

R

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   


On
 


Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

I use a 100 watt inverter that plugs right into the cigarette lighter 
power

port.  May not power the laptop (haven't tested) but the CPE will stay
   


on
 


for much longer for an hour.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys


   


What is the best way to power a 12-volt radio for 30 - 60 minutes
before requiring a re-charge? (solution must be re-chargeable via
 


auto
 


adapter)

We are wanting to use an actual CPE radio with a 19dBi panel
antenna, connected to an iPAQ/Axim so we are needing a re-chargeable
power source for the radio.

BTW, we tried a 9-volt battery but it only kept the radio powered up
for 5 - 10 minutes.

Would something like http://tinyurl.com/vgm4n work?


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KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
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Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread George Rogato

My van's 300 watt inverter is going on 3+ years.

Only lately has my battery starting to drain too fast. Not sure if the 
inverter is starting to go, or if it's the two laptops, battery charger 
and power supplies I leave plugged in.


I'm thinking of adding another battery, just need to find a battery box 
that is sealed to install inside the van that won't blow up if I light up.


George

Rick Smith wrote:

how long have you been doing it tho ?

I saw no issues for 3 - 4 mnths, then BAM!  No alternator.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

I use a 100 and 300 watt in my 99 F-350 with the engine running and not
running without any issue...

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

Hmmm... At first I had an '84 Chevy Van w/14'x7'x7' box on the back with a
1000 watt inverter.  Now I have a 2004 Ranger with a 100 watt inverter.
I
have never used the inverters with the motor running, though, so it won't
affect the alternator.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys



be careful using inverters.  I've used several, on two different

trucks in

my span here,
and burned out the alternator in short order in both trucks.  One was
a 

Jeep
Grand Cherokee, the latest a Ford Expedition with the high output
alternator

Running too many amps through the inverters puts a REALLY heavy load
on 

the
alternator...

I've used an inverter in the past to power laptop, trango, canopy,
routerboard and tranzeo setups in varying degrees.

I'm convinced that frequent usage of the inverters kills the

alternator.
Now, I just leave with a laptop fully charged and a couple of charged 
dewalt

18V batteries that power my radio setup.  The dewalts last from 1 to 2



hours
which is more
than enough time.   If we're surveying at a customer's home, we use

their

power to
power the radios and recharge my laptop :)

R

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On

Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

I use a 100 watt inverter that plugs right into the cigarette lighter 
power

port.  May not power the laptop (haven't tested) but the CPE will stay

on

for much longer for an hour.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys



What is the best way to power a 12-volt radio for 30 - 60 minutes
before requiring a re-charge? (solution must be re-chargeable via

auto

adapter)

We are wanting to use an actual CPE radio with a 19dBi panel
antenna, connected to an iPAQ/Axim so we are needing a re-chargeable
power source for the radio.

BTW, we tried a 9-volt battery but it only kept the radio powered up
for 5 - 10 minutes.

Would something like http://tinyurl.com/vgm4n work?


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
Your Hometown Broadband Provider
http://www.KyWiFi.com
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Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Two batteries will stress an alternator.  Like everything else we do, 
make sure to get an alternator that is rated for the job.


Brian

George Rogato wrote:


My van's 300 watt inverter is going on 3+ years.

Only lately has my battery starting to drain too fast. Not sure if the 
inverter is starting to go, or if it's the two laptops, battery 
charger and power supplies I leave plugged in.


I'm thinking of adding another battery, just need to find a battery 
box that is sealed to install inside the van that won't blow up if I 
light up.


George

Rick Smith wrote:


how long have you been doing it tho ?

I saw no issues for 3 - 4 mnths, then BAM!  No alternator.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

I use a 100 and 300 watt in my 99 F-350 with the engine running and not
running without any issue...

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

Hmmm... At first I had an '84 Chevy Van w/14'x7'x7' box on the back 
with a

1000 watt inverter.  Now I have a 2004 Ranger with a 100 watt inverter.
I
have never used the inverters with the motor running, though, so it 
won't

affect the alternator.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys



be careful using inverters.  I've used several, on two different


trucks in


my span here,
and burned out the alternator in short order in both trucks.  One was


a


Jeep
Grand Cherokee, the latest a Ford Expedition with the high output
alternator

Running too many amps through the inverters puts a REALLY heavy load


on


the
alternator...

I've used an inverter in the past to power laptop, trango, canopy,
routerboard and tranzeo setups in varying degrees.

I'm convinced that frequent usage of the inverters kills the


alternator.

Now, I just leave with a laptop fully charged and a couple of 
charged dewalt

18V batteries that power my radio setup.  The dewalts last from 1 to 2




hours
which is more
than enough time.   If we're surveying at a customer's home, we use


their


power to
power the radios and recharge my laptop :)

R

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On


Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

I use a 100 watt inverter that plugs right into the cigarette 
lighter power

port.  May not power the laptop (haven't tested) but the CPE will stay


on


for much longer for an hour.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys



What is the best way to power a 12-volt radio for 30 - 60 minutes
before requiring a re-charge? (solution must be re-chargeable via



auto


adapter)

We are wanting to use an actual CPE radio with a 19dBi panel
antenna, connected to an iPAQ/Axim so we are needing a re-chargeable
power source for the radio.

BTW, we tried a 9-volt battery but it only kept the radio powered up
for 5 - 10 minutes.

Would something like http://tinyurl.com/vgm4n work?


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
Your Hometown Broadband Provider
http://www.KyWiFi.com
Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
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[WISPA] Site Survey/Spectrum Analizer

2006-10-31 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Whats the deal with 802.11 type APs not being able to do a true spectrum 
analysis?  Like mikrotik.

Is it...
Hardware
Software
Does it make the product proprietary?


To narrow it down a little.  I use some MT APs and it would be nice to 
be able to do a spectrum analysis for troubleshooting.  Possible 
interference from and device in the band.
I only want to know why we cannot do this.  Has no one asked for it, or 
is it a real limitation?


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Re: [WISPA] OT: sendmail question

2006-10-31 Thread Adam Kennedy

David E. Smith wrote:

On Mon, October 30, 2006 3:41 pm, N White wrote:


I suggest the following. I never liked Sendmail all that much


You misspelled 'www.postfix.org' :)

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Sprint / Nextel to use 900mz for iDen

2006-10-31 Thread Tom DeReggi

John,

Helpful post!

In summary of this thread, I guess the message I'm getting is, there is no 
substitution for the right tool for the job.
And its clear that an analyzer is the correct tool, to truely learn the 
characteristics of your RF colocated neighbor, without risk of false 
assumptions.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint / Nextel to use 900mz for iDen


Good info Jack. In a past life I was a headend tech in the cable 
television industry. and I also performed signal egress and ingress 
troubleshooting using a Hewlett Packard 8591B analyzer. I spent a few 
thousand hours on this tool and learned much about spectrum analysis at 
that time. Here is some info for some of those out there who may be new to 
spectrum analysis:


There is something that can make these paging transmitters appear to be 
bleeding over into the ISM bands when in fact they may not be. The setting 
on the analyzer is called resolution bandwidth. This setting takes all 
power within a given bandspace and averages it together as it sweeps 
across the screen. The wider this setting is the fewer bumps you see on 
the screen. The trace will smooth out as you increase this setting because 
it is averaging power within a wider space of spectrum. This has the added 
effect of making a loud carrier appear to cover a wider space than it 
actually does and can cause you to believe that a paging or other carrier 
is bleeding over into the ISM band. On the contrary, narrowing the 
resolution bandwidth will show more accurate representation of actual 
power in a given bandspace but is slower to scan on most analyzers and 
produces a very sporadic display. If you are looking for narrowband or 
adjacent channel interference into your band then a narrow resolution 
bandwidth will be required. If you are wanting to take a RSSI reading of 
your own carrier then a wider resolution bandwidth will be required.


Resolution bandwidth is something you should learn to use and understand 
if you want to get more from your work. It is an important part of 
spectrum analysis. If you want to see how good an analyzer is then look at 
how low the resolution bandwidth setting will allow. For our work a 
minimum resolution bandwidth of about 100kHz is probably all you will ever 
need. Also run it at its lowest resolution bandwidth and see how long it 
takes to scan across the screen. If you are comparing multiple analyzers 
make sure you always use the same span setting (difference between upper 
and lower frequency on display). A narrower span will display a narrow 
resolution bandwidth much faster. Better analyzers will have a wide range 
of resolution bandwidth settings and will show a sharp, clean display in 
any setting.


Learning to use a spectrum analyzer can seem daunting at first glance. Do 
not let this intimidate you. You can learn to use this and get meaningful 
information from it if you give it a try. You will not break the analyzer 
by experimenting with it. If the unit you are using has knobs and you had 
it set by someone previously then just take notes of where they are set 
and then experiment with the unit. The most important things to master are 
start frequency, stop frequency, span, center frequency, reference level, 
attenuation, resolution bandwidth. Anything else you learn is good to know 
but not as much as what I just outlined here.


If anyone here is working with an analyzer and does not know what any of 
those things mean then feel free to ask here onlist (or offlist if you 
would prefer to not tell others you do not know):-)

Scriv



Jack Unger wrote:


Tom,

Yes, their gear (the paging stuff) not only costs more but their 
transmitters spurious emissions have to remain low or the paging company 
risks being fined by the FCC. Sure, a transmitter can malfunction once in 
a while and cause interference to the ISM band but this is not a common 
occurance. Our gear has receivers where the manufacturing cost is quite 
low. There may be $50 worth of parts in the receiver section of an AP. 
The vendors typically do not spend a lot of money on components that 
would raise the cost of their equipment and make it non-competitive such 
as adding expensive filters to reduce the overloading problems that only 
a minority of WISPs may ever experience. Similarly, the new cars that 
people buy don't come with the most expensive tires as standard equipment 
because most people would never notice a difference or be willing to pay 
more for the premium tires.


I started deploying 900 MHz bridges in 1993 and 900 MHz APs (yes, for 
WISP service) in 1995. I used Lucent Wavelan cards in those systems. 
Whenever I was located within about 1/3 of a mile from a cell site (with 
colocated 929 MHz and 930 MHz paging) I had to 

Re: [WISPA] Anyone here using Vitelity.net for VOIP services?

2006-10-31 Thread Butch Evans

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Jeremy Davis wrote:

We had some callerid problems to start with.  Then they somehow mis 
provisioned our 1-800.  Everything got a lot better once we 
switched from IAX2 to SIP for the trunking protocol.  Give me a 
call today if there is anything I can do it help you out.  Matt 
Larsen has been using them as well and hasn't had any problems so 
far, but we are both still in the testing phase.


Hmmm.  This is specifically the issue I am having (part of it).  I 
use IAX to connect to them because one of my upstreams is NAT.  With 
that upstream, I would be double natted and I don't want to try to 
make that work with SIP.  I was having no trouble from them on their 
inbound.vitelity.net and outbound.vitelity.net server, but something 
changed, and the latency went from 40ms average to over 200ms 
average.  Obviously, that was not good.  They moved me to the new 
server and now, I am having trouble with IAX.  They keep suggesting 
that I switch to SIP,but I don't want to do that (because of the 
double nat).  Oh, well, there are many other good companies out 
there.


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[WISPA] Battery charger (adding to site survey thread)

2006-10-31 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I already have a setup for battery backup with a deep cycle battery but 
I don't have anything in place to charge it.

I want something to leave plugged in all the time that knows when to charge.

I found this on froogle.  Looks like what I want.  Who has thoughts on 
these next two links?


http://www.rvupgradestore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=306

http://www.rvupgradestore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=307

Brian


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Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Look to a marine battery enclosure in the boat section of your recreational
supply store.  Carrying strap, vented, charge indicator, and with a 12v
power port.

...or perhaps the word 'vented' is not what you were asking for.  ;)

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys


 My van's 300 watt inverter is going on 3+ years.

 Only lately has my battery starting to drain too fast. Not sure if the
 inverter is starting to go, or if it's the two laptops, battery charger
 and power supplies I leave plugged in.

 I'm thinking of adding another battery, just need to find a battery box
 that is sealed to install inside the van that won't blow up if I light up.

 George

 Rick Smith wrote:
  how long have you been doing it tho ?
 
  I saw no issues for 3 - 4 mnths, then BAM!  No alternator.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Mark McElvy
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:38 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys
 
  I use a 100 and 300 watt in my 99 F-350 with the engine running and not
  running without any issue...
 
  Mark McElvy
  AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
  573.729.9200 - Office
  573.729.9203 - Fax
  573.247.9980 - Mobile
  http://www.accubak.com/
  http://www.accubak.net/
  Nationwide Internet Access
  Accurate backups for your critical data!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:34 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys
 
  Hmmm... At first I had an '84 Chevy Van w/14'x7'x7' box on the back with
a
  1000 watt inverter.  Now I have a 2004 Ranger with a 100 watt inverter.
  I
  have never used the inverters with the motor running, though, so it
won't
  affect the alternator.
 
  Mark Nash
  Network Engineer
  UnwiredOnline.Net
  350 Holly Street
  Junction City, OR 97448
  http://www.uwol.net
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
  - Original Message -
  From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:10 AM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys
 
 
  be careful using inverters.  I've used several, on two different
  trucks in
  my span here,
  and burned out the alternator in short order in both trucks.  One was
  a
  Jeep
  Grand Cherokee, the latest a Ford Expedition with the high output
  alternator
 
  Running too many amps through the inverters puts a REALLY heavy load
  on
  the
  alternator...
 
  I've used an inverter in the past to power laptop, trango, canopy,
  routerboard and tranzeo setups in varying degrees.
 
  I'm convinced that frequent usage of the inverters kills the
  alternator.
  Now, I just leave with a laptop fully charged and a couple of charged
  dewalt
  18V batteries that power my radio setup.  The dewalts last from 1 to 2
 
  hours
  which is more
  than enough time.   If we're surveying at a customer's home, we use
  their
  power to
  power the radios and recharge my laptop :)
 
  R
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
  Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
  Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys
 
  I use a 100 watt inverter that plugs right into the cigarette lighter
  power
  port.  May not power the laptop (haven't tested) but the CPE will stay
  on
  for much longer for an hour.
 
  Mark Nash
  Network Engineer
  UnwiredOnline.Net
  350 Holly Street
  Junction City, OR 97448
  http://www.uwol.net
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
  - Original Message -
  From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:29 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys
 
 
  What is the best way to power a 12-volt radio for 30 - 60 minutes
  before requiring a re-charge? (solution must be re-chargeable via
  auto
  adapter)
 
  We are wanting to use an actual CPE radio with a 19dBi panel
  antenna, connected to an iPAQ/Axim so we are needing a re-chargeable
  power source for the radio.
 
  BTW, we tried a 9-volt battery but it only kept the radio powered up
  for 5 - 10 minutes.
 
  Would something like http://tinyurl.com/vgm4n work?
 
 
  Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
  KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
  Your Hometown Broadband Provider
  http://www.KyWiFi.com
  Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
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[WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

2006-10-31 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE 
5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE


And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into this 
in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread Mark McElvy
At least 6 months maybe a little more. I generally do not have the
engine running when I do a site survey and my laptop has a 12v adapter.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:36 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

how long have you been doing it tho ?

I saw no issues for 3 - 4 mnths, then BAM!  No alternator.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

I use a 100 and 300 watt in my 99 F-350 with the engine running and not
running without any issue...

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

Hmmm... At first I had an '84 Chevy Van w/14'x7'x7' box on the back with
a
1000 watt inverter.  Now I have a 2004 Ranger with a 100 watt inverter.
I
have never used the inverters with the motor running, though, so it
won't
affect the alternator.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys


 be careful using inverters.  I've used several, on two different
trucks in
 my span here,
 and burned out the alternator in short order in both trucks.  One was
a 
 Jeep
 Grand Cherokee, the latest a Ford Expedition with the high output
 alternator

 Running too many amps through the inverters puts a REALLY heavy load
on 
 the
 alternator...

 I've used an inverter in the past to power laptop, trango, canopy,
 routerboard and tranzeo setups in varying degrees.

 I'm convinced that frequent usage of the inverters kills the
alternator.

 Now, I just leave with a laptop fully charged and a couple of charged 
 dewalt
 18V batteries that power my radio setup.  The dewalts last from 1 to 2

 hours
 which is more
 than enough time.   If we're surveying at a customer's home, we use
their
 power to
 power the radios and recharge my laptop :)

 R

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

 I use a 100 watt inverter that plugs right into the cigarette lighter 
 power
 port.  May not power the laptop (haven't tested) but the CPE will stay
on
 for much longer for an hour.

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message -
 From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:29 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys


 What is the best way to power a 12-volt radio for 30 - 60 minutes
 before requiring a re-charge? (solution must be re-chargeable via
auto
 adapter)

 We are wanting to use an actual CPE radio with a 19dBi panel
 antenna, connected to an iPAQ/Axim so we are needing a re-chargeable
 power source for the radio.

 BTW, we tried a 9-volt battery but it only kept the radio powered up
 for 5 - 10 minutes.

 Would something like http://tinyurl.com/vgm4n work?


 Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
 KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
 Your Hometown Broadband Provider
 http://www.KyWiFi.com
 Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
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[WISPA] HighGainAntennas

2006-10-31 Thread Jason Hensley



Anyone using their gear? Good, bad? So 
far I like what I see. Have tested the 8186HP-14 and 8186HP-19 and have 
been very satisfied to this point. A little more work to have to put the 
radio "together" myself (at least on the 14db model), but that also allows for 
me to access the radio inside (i.e. factory reset). 

Reception and stability have been good for 
me. Only complaint are that the boxes are a little slow to boot and the 
software is slow to make changes, but for the price I can live with that. 
Haven't looked at their "carrier class" gear yet, but their "cheap gear" seems 
to be what I'm looking for to replace my Tranzeo CPQ's.

Anyone else have 
input?
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[WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

2006-10-31 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them.  Anyone 
know of a good way to determine what they are.  Maybe by mac address?


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RE: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

2006-10-31 Thread Gino A. Villarini
http://www.curreedy.com/stu/nic/

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:17 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them.  Anyone 
know of a good way to determine what they are.  Maybe by mac address?

Brian
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RE: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

2006-10-31 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
The MAC address may help get you to the manufacturer...or, maybe
just to a blind source that won't give you a clue.

Does the PnP Windows driver show you anything?  That can be right
down to the model number...if you can get it to recognize the driver
which is likely the reason you submitted the question.  ...oops

Take a digital photo and submit it to the group...somebody will
likely recognize it and even give you the model number which is
what you likely need.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:17 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards


I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them.  Anyone 
know of a good way to determine what they are.  Maybe by mac address?

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

2006-10-31 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

yup.  So far i have*Z-COM, INC.*

Jonathan Schmidt wrote:


The MAC address may help get you to the manufacturer...or, maybe
just to a blind source that won't give you a clue.

Does the PnP Windows driver show you anything?  That can be right
down to the model number...if you can get it to recognize the driver
which is likely the reason you submitted the question.  ...oops

Take a digital photo and submit it to the group...somebody will
likely recognize it and even give you the model number which is
what you likely need.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:17 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards


I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them.  Anyone 
know of a good way to determine what they are.  Maybe by mac address?


Brian
 


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Re: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

2006-10-31 Thread Blair Davis

Send me photos or, if allowed, post photos here

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them.  
Anyone know of a good way to determine what they are.  Maybe by mac 
address?


Brian



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Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread George Rogato

Thanks Mark

Vented is what I'm looking for. Wonder if I should take a hole saw to 
the side of my van.


George

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

Look to a marine battery enclosure in the boat section of your recreational
supply store.  Carrying strap, vented, charge indicator, and with a 12v
power port.

...or perhaps the word 'vented' is not what you were asking for.  ;)

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Re: [WISPA] Sprint / Nextel to use 900mz for iDen

2006-10-31 Thread Jack Unger

Tom,

Good summary.

jack


Tom DeReggi wrote:


John,

Helpful post!

In summary of this thread, I guess the message I'm getting is, there is 
no substitution for the right tool for the job.
And its clear that an analyzer is the correct tool, to truely learn the 
characteristics of your RF colocated neighbor, without risk of false 
assumptions.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint / Nextel to use 900mz for iDen


Good info Jack. In a past life I was a headend tech in the cable 
television industry. and I also performed signal egress and ingress 
troubleshooting using a Hewlett Packard 8591B analyzer. I spent a few 
thousand hours on this tool and learned much about spectrum analysis 
at that time. Here is some info for some of those out there who may be 
new to spectrum analysis:


There is something that can make these paging transmitters appear to 
be bleeding over into the ISM bands when in fact they may not be. The 
setting on the analyzer is called resolution bandwidth. This setting 
takes all power within a given bandspace and averages it together as 
it sweeps across the screen. The wider this setting is the fewer bumps 
you see on the screen. The trace will smooth out as you increase this 
setting because it is averaging power within a wider space of 
spectrum. This has the added effect of making a loud carrier appear 
to cover a wider space than it actually does and can cause you to 
believe that a paging or other carrier is bleeding over into the ISM 
band. On the contrary, narrowing the resolution bandwidth will show 
more accurate representation of actual power in a given bandspace but 
is slower to scan on most analyzers and produces a very sporadic 
display. If you are looking for narrowband or adjacent channel 
interference into your band then a narrow resolution bandwidth will be 
required. If you are wanting to take a RSSI reading of your own 
carrier then a wider resolution bandwidth will be required.


Resolution bandwidth is something you should learn to use and 
understand if you want to get more from your work. It is an important 
part of spectrum analysis. If you want to see how good an analyzer is 
then look at how low the resolution bandwidth setting will allow. For 
our work a minimum resolution bandwidth of about 100kHz is probably 
all you will ever need. Also run it at its lowest resolution bandwidth 
and see how long it takes to scan across the screen. If you are 
comparing multiple analyzers make sure you always use the same span 
setting (difference between upper and lower frequency on display). A 
narrower span will display a narrow resolution bandwidth much faster. 
Better analyzers will have a wide range of resolution bandwidth 
settings and will show a sharp, clean display in any setting.


Learning to use a spectrum analyzer can seem daunting at first glance. 
Do not let this intimidate you. You can learn to use this and get 
meaningful information from it if you give it a try. You will not 
break the analyzer by experimenting with it. If the unit you are using 
has knobs and you had it set by someone previously then just take 
notes of where they are set and then experiment with the unit. The 
most important things to master are start frequency, stop frequency, 
span, center frequency, reference level, attenuation, resolution 
bandwidth. Anything else you learn is good to know but not as much as 
what I just outlined here.


If anyone here is working with an analyzer and does not know what any 
of those things mean then feel free to ask here onlist (or offlist if 
you would prefer to not tell others you do not know):-)

Scriv



Jack Unger wrote:


Tom,

Yes, their gear (the paging stuff) not only costs more but their 
transmitters spurious emissions have to remain low or the paging 
company risks being fined by the FCC. Sure, a transmitter can 
malfunction once in a while and cause interference to the ISM band 
but this is not a common occurance. Our gear has receivers where the 
manufacturing cost is quite low. There may be $50 worth of parts in 
the receiver section of an AP. The vendors typically do not spend a 
lot of money on components that would raise the cost of their 
equipment and make it non-competitive such as adding expensive 
filters to reduce the overloading problems that only a minority of 
WISPs may ever experience. Similarly, the new cars that people buy 
don't come with the most expensive tires as standard equipment 
because most people would never notice a difference or be willing to 
pay more for the premium tires.


I started deploying 900 MHz bridges in 1993 and 900 MHz APs (yes, for 
WISP service) in 1995. I used Lucent Wavelan cards in those 
systems. Whenever I was located within about 1/3 of a mile from a 
cell site 

RE: [WISPA] Anyone here using Vitelity.net for VOIP services?

2006-10-31 Thread Mac Dearman
Try running pingplotter to see where the trouble is at. We did have some
of our VoIP services terminated there, but the transition from Bell South to
Level 3 at Dallas was killing us. Give www.calleveryone.com a look see and
you may have an option there. These folks have been pretty solid for us, but
not a dream as far as support goes. That my brother - - is another story :-)

Mac 



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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone here using Vitelity.net for VOIP services?

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Jeremy Davis wrote:

We had some callerid problems to start with.  Then they somehow mis 
provisioned our 1-800.  Everything got a lot better once we 
switched from IAX2 to SIP for the trunking protocol.  Give me a 
call today if there is anything I can do it help you out.  Matt 
Larsen has been using them as well and hasn't had any problems so 
far, but we are both still in the testing phase.

Hmmm.  This is specifically the issue I am having (part of it).  I 
use IAX to connect to them because one of my upstreams is NAT.  With 
that upstream, I would be double natted and I don't want to try to 
make that work with SIP.  I was having no trouble from them on their 
inbound.vitelity.net and outbound.vitelity.net server, but something 
changed, and the latency went from 40ms average to over 200ms 
average.  Obviously, that was not good.  They moved me to the new 
server and now, I am having trouble with IAX.  They keep suggesting 
that I switch to SIP,but I don't want to do that (because of the 
double nat).  Oh, well, there are many other good companies out 
there.

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Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Nash - Lists

I found it...here's the model.

http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Power-Station-Boat-Battery/dp/B000FZ4U4M

Maybe you could cut that hole in your van in the driver's door and just hold 
your cig hand outside... ;)


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys



Thanks Mark

Vented is what I'm looking for. Wonder if I should take a hole saw to the 
side of my van.


George

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
Look to a marine battery enclosure in the boat section of your 
recreational

supply store.  Carrying strap, vented, charge indicator, and with a 12v
power port.

...or perhaps the word 'vented' is not what you were asking for.  ;)

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Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
George...forgot to tell you that I got it at G.I. Joes in Eugene.  I can 
pick one up for you if you want...Steve and I are fishing on the Siuslaw 
this Friday...salmon should get moving with the rain coming over the next 
two days.


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
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From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys



I found it...here's the model.

http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Power-Station-Boat-Battery/dp/B000FZ4U4M

Maybe you could cut that hole in your van in the driver's door and just 
hold your cig hand outside... ;)


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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Thanks Mark

Vented is what I'm looking for. Wonder if I should take a hole saw to the 
side of my van.


George

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
Look to a marine battery enclosure in the boat section of your 
recreational

supply store.  Carrying strap, vented, charge indicator, and with a 12v
power port.

...or perhaps the word 'vented' is not what you were asking for.  ;)

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