Re: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-04 Thread Tom DeReggi

I'm arriving around 10:30p on the 6th.  Cell 301-613-7775

Look forward to seeing everyone at the show. I think this season's show is 
going to be another good one!
I'm already having trouble deciding which session tracks, I can afford to 
miss.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON



Peter @ RAD-INFO at (813) 963-5884

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


I think that would be great!

How about a cell phone list?
marlon - 509.988.0260

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON



Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested in 
getting together for dinner.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless
   402-376-4752



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Re: [WISPA] OTARD

2006-11-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
This brings up an important issue. The difference between a Lease and a 
License.
Very few Colo managers, lease space anymore, because it takes away their 
right to control its use.
Instead they license the right to specifically do something in that space, 
which is still in the control of the landlord.
Not only is it beneficial for the landlord to only issue you licenses 
instead of leases, but its as importnat that you buy space from someone that 
licenses to the other tenants, instead of lease to them. I often 
specifically add text in my agreement, that prevent a licensor from doing a 
future lease that would restrict my license.  For example, a 
non-interference clause may be uninforcable, if the licensor, leased part 
of the roof to someone else. One of the background checks that are needed 
before procuring tower space is, are there previous leases that would 
overide or risk a given license.


I guess what I'm saying is that this ruling with the airlines, is not only a 
good thing. It also has negative ramification. It also limits a leasor's 
control, when you want the leasor to have control, to protect your lease. It 
is clearly a victory for free use of spectrum though.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OTARD


The case involved Continental Airlines providing free Internet access to 
both employees and passengers who were members of their members club. 
The AP was set up in the lounge area where it was accessible to paid 
members.


Continental's position was that they were within their own exclusive 
leased space and subsequently could provide such a service and were 
protected under the OTARD determination and ruling.


The airport authority argued that the system could cause interference to 
the airports existing master antenna system which supplied passengers with 
cellular and internet access (for a fee obviously) amongst other services. 
They wanted Continental to pay to put their equipment on the master 
antenna system or use the airport system.  In addition, they would pay for 
RF Studies to see if the system could be placed without issue (Probably 
Marlon with his spectrum analyzer!  :-P  ). The airport also argued that 
they had listed in their lease contracts with the airline that they could 
not use radio systems or spectrum not approved by the airport authority.


Clearly the Commission must have seen this otherwise..

First, I doubt that anyone in the Commission was happy with the airport 
authority trying to say who could use what spectrum where.  After all, 
that is their exclusive job as allowed by law.  So that didn't go over 
well I'm sure.


Second, Continental proved, without a doubt, that they had exclusive 
rights to use the space they leased.  As such, they are within the OTARD 
guidelines to supply the service.


And finally, the airport authority would need to suffer interference 
before they could complain about Continental's Wi-Fi system.  And we all 
know how quick the Commission jumps on interference issues under Part 15. 
Especially when you are using type accepted equipment.


I think the case settled as expected.

-B-




John Scrivner wrote:

In this particular situation the client (tenant) was owner of both ends 
(base station and CPE) I think. Correct me if I am wrong. I seem to 
remember reading that the airline wanted a private WiFi network for 
themselves. The airport (landlord) was trying to prevent this. In this 
type of a situation I think OTARD would apply regardless of the type of 
equipment used.


In the event of a base station where a third party ISP is the beneficiary 
of use of a base station OTARD right of access would still not apply. I 
welcome feedback, corrections, rebuttals here. Truth is I know little 
about this but think I would like to know more. If anyone else has 
knowledge of this particular case and can add more enlightenment it is 
much appreciated.

Scriv





Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


It was.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] OTARD


Fascinating.  I had always read OTARD to only cover client devices and
not base station devices.

-Hal
__
Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC
800.742.9865 x205
[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.deliberant.com

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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: 

RE: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-04 Thread Mac Dearman
 I will arrive at the same time Harnish, Scriv  Larsen, but on 
American Airlines # 1069

318.376.2562

SEE Y'all there!
`


Mac 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

I'm arriving around 10:30p on the 6th.  Cell 301-613-7775

Look forward to seeing everyone at the show. I think this season's show is 
going to be another good one!
I'm already having trouble deciding which session tracks, I can afford to 
miss.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON


 Peter @ RAD-INFO at (813) 963-5884

 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 I think that would be great!

 How about a cell phone list?
 marlon - 509.988.0260

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON


 Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

 I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested in 
 getting together for dinner.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
402-376-4752

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Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

2006-11-04 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
The paid services look pretty good.   I'm checking them out now.  I've 
looked at other 3rd party tech support companies but they all seem to have 
to adapt to WISP support.  This is a WISP that knows WISP needs.  When I 
talked with the guy he had most of the right answers to my questions.


They will send you 2 servers to put at your main POP.  The two servers load 
share and fail over.  The servers are in-line on your network but parallel 
to each other at your POP.  Your customer traffic goes through them...they 
each split up the load of CPEs they manage and if one goes down the other 
takes on all traffic from all CPEs.


The servers do bandwidth management (I think it's limited now in that it 
cannot do traffic-type-shaping...just mainly up/down speeds on different CPE 
service type profiles).  They do DHCP, NMS, alerting, etc.


Their level 1 tech support:
- will take phone calls from your customers (currently they have a 12-hour 
shift but he said they were expanding their level 1 support hours).
- will help your customers with their routers, their firewall software, 
their e-mail program, their e-mail password

- will provision a radio on your system and set up a customer record
- will help you over the phone to allow you to have one guy out there aiming 
an antenna at the AP getting feedback on bidirectional SNR, packet 
loss/retransmission, etc
- will help you over the phone if you're on top of a tower putting on a 
connector and asking How's that working now?


Their NOC support:
- responds to alarms and checks a protocol to see if you want to be woken up 
at 2 in the morning for such an alarm (7/24)

- watches performance of backhauls

Their billing system is free for you to use and integrates with the customer 
service side of the database.  If you have your own merchant account for 
billing via credit card, it will do that free of charge.  If you want to use 
their merchant account, there are fees.  You can even set it up so that your 
customers can pay by check but you never have to handle the checks (with 
fees, of course, as this will take labor).


I'm on the upper end of their 250-CPE mark and will pay $250 per month with 
(most likely) no $$$ up front.  Then I will pay $500 per month for the 
251st-500th CPEs.  I am going to try this out on a 1-year contract.  It's 
worth that much to me just to see if it will work out for my situation.


I think that if it is a good service, then it will be a good option for some 
small WISPs.  It is clear to me that if my business will keep growing, it 
will grow out of a service like this.  This may buy me some time and get me 
over that hump, though.


p.s.  I haven't talked with them about their CPE lease option but I plan to. 
I'm also talking to other leasing companies about leasing CPE.  Anyone out 
there have opinions on leasing companies?  (I chose my words carefully there 
about not starting a debate on whether or not to lease CPE.)


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS



FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
And then there are all the paid services.

http://www.dboss-online.com/

read the pdf
prices on page 22, but I emailed them and they said the prices are 
changing.  More like $250.00 a month for 0 - 250 customers (bundled 
services)


http://www.dboss-online.com/wisp_services.pdf

Pretty neat services they offer.  I'm not technical enough to do it all on 
my own, this looks ok.


Give me some input here.  Are all these services needed?  How does the 
value look?


Brian Rohrbacher
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RE: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-04 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I hope everyone remembered to vote absentee!!!  :-) 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

I'm arriving around 10:30p on the 6th.  Cell 301-613-7775

Look forward to seeing everyone at the show. I think this season's show is
going to be another good one!
I'm already having trouble deciding which session tracks, I can afford to
miss.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON


 Peter @ RAD-INFO at (813) 963-5884

 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 I think that would be great!

 How about a cell phone list?
 marlon - 509.988.0260

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON


 Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

 I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested in 
 getting together for dinner.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
402-376-4752

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Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

2006-11-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

List mod,
Would it be out of line for me to invite the main man from this company 
over to the list.  I'm very interested in the service, but I can never 
seem to come up with the right questions to ask...
I'd like to see the great minds on the list quiz him down to see if the 
service is the real deal.


Brian

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

The paid services look pretty good.   I'm checking them out now.  I've 
looked at other 3rd party tech support companies but they all seem to 
have to adapt to WISP support.  This is a WISP that knows WISP needs.  
When I talked with the guy he had most of the right answers to my 
questions.


They will send you 2 servers to put at your main POP.  The two servers 
load share and fail over.  The servers are in-line on your network but 
parallel to each other at your POP.  Your customer traffic goes 
through them...they each split up the load of CPEs they manage and if 
one goes down the other takes on all traffic from all CPEs.


The servers do bandwidth management (I think it's limited now in that 
it cannot do traffic-type-shaping...just mainly up/down speeds on 
different CPE service type profiles).  They do DHCP, NMS, alerting, etc.


Their level 1 tech support:
- will take phone calls from your customers (currently they have a 
12-hour shift but he said they were expanding their level 1 support 
hours).
- will help your customers with their routers, their firewall 
software, their e-mail program, their e-mail password

- will provision a radio on your system and set up a customer record
- will help you over the phone to allow you to have one guy out there 
aiming an antenna at the AP getting feedback on bidirectional SNR, 
packet loss/retransmission, etc
- will help you over the phone if you're on top of a tower putting on 
a connector and asking How's that working now?


Their NOC support:
- responds to alarms and checks a protocol to see if you want to be 
woken up at 2 in the morning for such an alarm (7/24)



- watches performance of backhauls

Their billing system is free for you to use and integrates with the 
customer service side of the database.  If you have your own merchant 
account for billing via credit card, it will do that free of charge.  
If you want to use their merchant account, there are fees.  You can 
even set it up so that your customers can pay by check but you never 
have to handle the checks (with fees, of course, as this will take 
labor).


I'm on the upper end of their 250-CPE mark and will pay $250 per month 
with (most likely) no $$$ up front.  Then I will pay $500 per month 
for the 251st-500th CPEs.  I am going to try this out on a 1-year 
contract.  It's worth that much to me just to see if it will work out 
for my situation.


I think that if it is a good service, then it will be a good option 
for some small WISPs.  It is clear to me that if my business will keep 
growing, it will grow out of a service like this.  This may buy me 
some time and get me over that hump, though.


p.s.  I haven't talked with them about their CPE lease option but I 
plan to. I'm also talking to other leasing companies about leasing 
CPE.  Anyone out there have opinions on leasing companies?  (I chose 
my words carefully there about not starting a debate on whether or not 
to lease CPE.)


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain

2006-11-04 Thread Don Grossman
Been in that same spot until one day I drove up to the site and the  
locks were nowhere to be found.  Guess the last guy didn't think it  
was funny and hurled the locks into the woods ( leaving the gate wide  
open)


Don


On Nov 3, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


LOL

I had a situation like that at this site once too.  I now have a  
nice shinny set of bolt cutters to my name!


And someone up there has a nice shinny new lock to his name!
Marlon



Pete Davis wrote:
I see these on gates, especially where there are oilfields on the  
site, and several companies need access. Never seen a whole chain  
made from locks, though.


Funny.

pd



We used to have a long chain with lots of pad locks. One day I  
went to the tower gate and found some ID 10 T had shortened the  
chain by quite a bit to tighten it up.


Guess he didn't understand the theory of needing all the locks in  
the loop and not a bunch wagging off the tail like mine was.


Not so funny, George



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RE: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

2006-11-04 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
I looked at GCI Capital, but realized leasing just did not fit us, they we
really nice and were willing to lease just about anything.
http://www.gcicapital.com

I was working with Terri Fosberg.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

The paid services look pretty good.   I'm checking them out now.  I've 
looked at other 3rd party tech support companies but they all seem to have 
to adapt to WISP support.  This is a WISP that knows WISP needs.  When I 
talked with the guy he had most of the right answers to my questions.

They will send you 2 servers to put at your main POP.  The two servers load 
share and fail over.  The servers are in-line on your network but parallel 
to each other at your POP.  Your customer traffic goes through them...they 
each split up the load of CPEs they manage and if one goes down the other 
takes on all traffic from all CPEs.

The servers do bandwidth management (I think it's limited now in that it 
cannot do traffic-type-shaping...just mainly up/down speeds on different CPE

service type profiles).  They do DHCP, NMS, alerting, etc.

Their level 1 tech support:
- will take phone calls from your customers (currently they have a 12-hour 
shift but he said they were expanding their level 1 support hours).
- will help your customers with their routers, their firewall software, 
their e-mail program, their e-mail password
- will provision a radio on your system and set up a customer record
- will help you over the phone to allow you to have one guy out there aiming

an antenna at the AP getting feedback on bidirectional SNR, packet 
loss/retransmission, etc
- will help you over the phone if you're on top of a tower putting on a 
connector and asking How's that working now?

Their NOC support:
- responds to alarms and checks a protocol to see if you want to be woken up

at 2 in the morning for such an alarm (7/24)
- watches performance of backhauls

Their billing system is free for you to use and integrates with the customer

service side of the database.  If you have your own merchant account for 
billing via credit card, it will do that free of charge.  If you want to use

their merchant account, there are fees.  You can even set it up so that your

customers can pay by check but you never have to handle the checks (with 
fees, of course, as this will take labor).

I'm on the upper end of their 250-CPE mark and will pay $250 per month with 
(most likely) no $$$ up front.  Then I will pay $500 per month for the 
251st-500th CPEs.  I am going to try this out on a 1-year contract.  It's 
worth that much to me just to see if it will work out for my situation.

I think that if it is a good service, then it will be a good option for some

small WISPs.  It is clear to me that if my business will keep growing, it 
will grow out of a service like this.  This may buy me some time and get me 
over that hump, though.

p.s.  I haven't talked with them about their CPE lease option but I plan to.

I'm also talking to other leasing companies about leasing CPE.  Anyone out 
there have opinions on leasing companies?  (I chose my words carefully there

about not starting a debate on whether or not to lease CPE.)

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS


 FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
 And then there are all the paid services.

 http://www.dboss-online.com/

 read the pdf
 prices on page 22, but I emailed them and they said the prices are 
 changing.  More like $250.00 a month for 0 - 250 customers (bundled 
 services)

 http://www.dboss-online.com/wisp_services.pdf

 Pretty neat services they offer.  I'm not technical enough to do it all on

 my own, this looks ok.

 Give me some input here.  Are all these services needed?  How does the 
 value look?

 Brian Rohrbacher
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