RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I
do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this
is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

Gino A. Villarini
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APC SUNET700.  1 battery.

Mark Nash
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 What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

 Gino A. Villarini
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 Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external
 battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am
 having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery'
 light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
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Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread lakeland
Yes we have


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry  

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Bob,

They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all.
My post was based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that 
stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I 
was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi.  Trango has a 
very efficient MAC with little waste.  If the the Exalt does real throughput 
of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and 
value proposition.  And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a 
speed leader in unlicensed.

Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Tom,

 You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? 
 How is that??
 The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

 If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x 
 $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to say 
 what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you 
 could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better).

 So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

 And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth 
 soon...

 -B-


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput 
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has 
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% 
 of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise 
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the 
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 
 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone 
 offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower than 
 the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the  
 $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 
 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Personally I couldn't be happier.  They work as expected and stated. 
 They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the 
 center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can 
 get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna 
 or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, 
 the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all 
 units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very 
 reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between 
 radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free 
 upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available.
 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput 
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.
 Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS 
 syncing. It has no integral fiber interface.  The fiber kit is an 
 option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still 
 need external power.  I can put a media converter and external power on 
 a Exalt radio also.
 As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to 
 give full bandwidth.  It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal.
 On a positive note for Exalt the C/I is much better on the Exalt radio 
 which ultimately guarantees better distance in noisy environments.
 The pricin on the Connectronics site is MSRP.  You can get it quite a 
 bit lower...
 -B-





 John Scrivner writes:

 Bob,
 Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? 
 Approximate cost per pair?
 Thanks,
 Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote:

 Just looking for experiences Personally I think 

Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson
You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you 
need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel 
type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right 
now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 
'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any 
ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to use 
are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with 
constantly being charged by the UPS?


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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need 
two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel 
type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive 
side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Tom,

Yes auto-rate was off and ARQ was on.  We tried every combination possible
at the direction of Trango.  

While I agree my experiences with Atlas may be on the worse side of the
scale I know many operators that have had the same poor experiences with
Atlas as we have.  I would venture to guess you are one of very few that has
seen 45Mbps out of an Atlas.  Just to clarify; we are talking about payload,
right?

Yes, antenna upgrades are common place with us.  Gabriel, RadioWaves and MTi
are our antennas of choice.  You should know that more than anyone as I was
one if not the biggest proponent of better antennas as it relates to Trango!

45Mbps HDX out of an Atlas, eh?  Sure would like to see some proof of
that...screenshot perhaps?  Certainly you're not going to claim an Atlas can
produce 45Mbps FDX as well are you?  After all, FDX is what this topic is
all about.

Best,


Brad


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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Brad,

I'm aware of your Atlas experience. We've gotten Full 45mbps out of an Atlas

numerous times.
However, I admit, often that does require antenna size upgrade, and that 
needs to be factored into the end cost for comparison.

Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate
itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat.

Thats why you turn off auto-rate, and turn on ARQ.

I guess I just never get that excited about buying a radio that costs more 
than a decent car. (when a car technically is much more expensive to make)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Not only that, but the Atlas isn't capable of 45Mbps in any form much less
FDX.  Most we've ever seen out of an Atlas is maybe 20Mbps HDX with very
clean air.  Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate
itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat.

Believe me these up to or best effort radios are tempting, but until you
deploy a few $15k - $30k PtP radio sets that actually produce what they
claim you won't understand what we're talking about.

When I say you I'm not directing that at anyone in particular just a
general comment.

Best,


Brad


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Tom,

You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full
duplex?   How is that??

The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x
$3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to say
what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you
could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better).

So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon...

-B-


Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true
 throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is
 based on a 64 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only
 1% of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside
 T1 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for
 someone offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower
 than the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are
 in the  $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the
 extra $1000 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Personally I couldn't be happier.  They work as expected and stated.
 They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move
 the 

RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
$200 each ? what is the specs on this batts?  We pay about $160 for AGM 105
ah batts

Gino A. Villarini
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to use 
are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with 
constantly being charged by the UPS?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need

 two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel 
 type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive 
 side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
 and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
 battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson
We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked 
OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle 
that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and 
are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.


We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on 
two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 
hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port 
switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to 
use are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will 
last with constantly being charged by the UPS?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
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350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
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541-998-
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- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you 
need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right 
now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 
'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  
Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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541-998-5599 fax



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[WISPA] Muni network report from the FTC

2006-11-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/10/muniwireless.htm

I've not read the whole report yet.  But it looks like something worth 
reading if one's interested in the subject.


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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Tom DeReggi
You will also want to use a battery that has similar characteristics as the 
batteries that are already in it.
Not all batteries charge and disipate at the same rate.  So you would need 
to know what batteries are in it already and then compare manufacturer's 
detail specs.
Otherwise what happens is a year down the road, one set of batteries work 
and the other set of batteries deteriorates, and your run-time goes way way 
down.
A lot of people don't realize this, if they do not have a lot of power 
failures.


Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need 
two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel 
type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive 
side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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[WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread Dylan Bouterse
I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the
insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our
insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because
of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies
getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work?

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Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Yes it is.  There just aren't any radios certified yet.  There are many in 
the pipeline I'm told.


Should see gear very shortly.

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- Original Message - 
From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios




5.4 is not type accepted in the US.


Gino A. Villarini writes:
Spectras ara vailable on 5.4 too , tho not the same flexibility as having 
a
triband radio ... Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces 
Spectras have the dual pol. Dynamic DFS thingy... wich it's the coolest 
tool And they are owned by Motorola!!! The Exal radios looks promising, 
the only drawback it's the channel size for

full speed  64 mhz,  Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios A few things to 
consider The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 
It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. It 
has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of 
radios at the same site.  (Try doing that with Orthogon) It is capable of 
elctronically switching polarities like the Trango radios do. 
(yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). And finally...they are not 
owned by MOTOROLA!  :-) FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon 
Spectra links.  I have had power supply failures 5 times.  I just waited 
12 days for a replacement power supply after ordering it from the 
distributor.  The last link we ordered was missing part of the mounting 
bracket.  One of the mounting brackets did not have one of the holes 
tapped.  Not fun when you are onsite for an install. I still like 
Orthogon.  I just like Exalt better. -B-

I Gino A. Villarini wrote:

For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM
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Paul,
Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended 
warranties.

http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Paul Hendry wrote:


Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00
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Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios
Just looking for experiences
Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has 
any pros/cons

www.exaltcom.com
100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio.   H.   I bet Marlon would love to have 
one of these for a neighbor!  :-)

-B-





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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Charles Wu
Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as
low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't
really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even
bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio?

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Yes we have


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry  

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Bob,

They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was
based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that 
stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I 
was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi.  Trango has a 
very efficient MAC with little waste.  If the the Exalt does real throughput

of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and

value proposition.  And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a

speed leader in unlicensed.

Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Tom,

 You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full 
 duplex?
 How is that??
 The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

 If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x
 $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to say 
 what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you 
 could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better).

 So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

 And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth
 soon...

 -B-


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true 
 throughput
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1%

 of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to 
 the
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 
 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone 
 offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower 
 than
 the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the 

 $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 
 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Personally I couldn't be happier.  They work as expected and stated.
 They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the 
 center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can 
 get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna

 or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, 
 the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all 
 units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very 
 reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between 
 radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free 
 upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available.
 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput 
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.
 Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS 
 syncing. It has no integral fiber interface.  The fiber kit is an 
 option that allows for cable runs in 

[WISPA] A little bit about customer data retention

2006-11-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

From Robert Cannon's awesome web site:

http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/records.htm

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] DHCP with a twist

2006-11-15 Thread David E. Smith
Sam Tetherow wrote:
 Being five days late on this you have probably already solved it, but
 just in case

Not really, no. :) I'm still in the planning phase of this next change
in the network.

 The CB3 will request a DHCP address with it's MAC address (assuming it
 is set to DHCP).  When the PC or router behind the CB3 requests a DHCP
 lease you will see the MAC for that device.  The DHCP REQUEST message
 actually contains the MAC address it is requesting an IP for, it is not
 just assumed to be the MAC address that is seen making the request.  The
 biggest issue I could think of with this setup is when the customers
 device changes (new router or NIC) they will have to call into the NOC
 and the DHCP assignment will have to be changed.

That's the problem I was hoping to avoid.

Honestly, I really like (from a technical standpoint) the cable modem
solution to all this. DOCSIS addresses pretty much every question I've
ever had, and then some. Heck, it even includes enforcing your bandwidth
quotas right there in the CPE, which gives me fits of giggles every time
I think about it. And it's dead simple for the customer to set up,
because there basically is no set-up to be done.

I'm sure there's a way to duplicate the benefits of DOCSIS on a wireless
network, I just haven't figured it out yet :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I've been putting the new gel cell units in my boat.  The kids are always 
leaving something on so the battery has been drained and charged a number of 
times.  Still working great.


I get them at Napa.  Deep cycle with really good cold cranking amps.  I 
think the one's I've been buying are around $120 or so.  I'm putting them in 
every rig here these days because they've worked so well on the boat.  So 
far, so good.


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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to use 
are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with 
constantly being charged by the UPS?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you 
need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel 
type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive 
side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear?  

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as
low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't
really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even
bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio?

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Yes we have


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry  

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Bob,

They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was
based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that 
stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I 
was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi.  Trango has a 
very efficient MAC with little waste.  If the the Exalt does real throughput

of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and

value proposition.  And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a

speed leader in unlicensed.

Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Tom,

 You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full 
 duplex?
 How is that??
 The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

 If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x
 $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to say 
 what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you 
 could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better).

 So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

 And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth
 soon...

 -B-


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true 
 throughput
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1%

 of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to 
 the
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 
 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone 
 offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower 
 than
 the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the 

 $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 
 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Personally I couldn't be happier.  They work as expected and stated.
 They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the 
 center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can 
 get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna

 or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, 
 the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all 
 units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very 
 reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between 
 radios. User defined latency and 

[WISPA] CROSS POST: Routerboard Stand-offs

2006-11-15 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Someone had some MT Routerboard stand-offs that had an adhesive back, and I
was wishing to get my chubby little hand one a few, off-list please if you
can sell me some.

 

Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.2kwireless.com

 

2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network
consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking,
security, and Mikrotik routers.

 

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Re: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv

2006-11-15 Thread Ron Wallace
Welcome Travis, I know I can learn a lot from your comments.

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:18 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv

We have seen quite a bit of interest in new membership in WISPA lately. 
I am proud to announce that Travis Johnson has added his name to the 
list of WISP operators who have joined WISPA. Travis has a very 
successful operation and I am sure his involvement in WISPA will be 
valuable to us and to him as well. Please join me in welcoming Travis 
Johnson and his WISP Microserv. Here is a little background on Travis 
and Microserv:

Microserv started as a dial-up ISP in 1994. We began providing wireless 
service in 1997, DSL service in 2001 and fiber-optic service in 2003. We 
currently provide fixed wireless service covering 25,000 square miles of 
southeastern Idaho and have over 3,000 current wireless subscribers. Our 
entire backbone is wireless with links from 5 miles to 73 miles and 
using 5.3ghz to 38ghz.

I designed and installed the entire infrastructure (over 60 operating 
repeater locations) and continue to service and support them while also 
running the day to day operations of a company with 25 employees. We are 
growing at a rate of 60+ wireless customers per month and continue to 
add new services and features for our existing customers. I am excited 
to be a member of WISPA and hope to help the organization grow and 
benefit the industry.

Thanks,

Travis Johnson, President
Microserv
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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Charles Wu
You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =)

-Charles --- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear?  

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as
low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't
really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even
bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio?

-Charles

P.S. -- Bob, can you ping me offlist w/ your contact info, need to ask you
something

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Yes we have


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry  

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Bob,

They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was
based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that 
stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I 
was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi.  Trango has a 
very efficient MAC with little waste.  If the the Exalt does real throughput

of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and

value proposition.  And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a

speed leader in unlicensed.

Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Tom,

 You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full
 duplex?
 How is that??
 The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

 If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x 
 $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to 
 say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 
 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and 
 probably do better).

 So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

 And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth 
 soon...

 -B-


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true
 throughput
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has 
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe 
 only 1%

 of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise 
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to
 the
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 
 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone 
 offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower
 than
 the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the 

 $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra 
 $1000
 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Personally I couldn't be happier.  They work as expected and stated. 
 They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can 

RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Somehow I knew this was coming jeje 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =)

-Charles --- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear?  

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as
low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't
really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even
bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio?

-Charles

P.S. -- Bob, can you ping me offlist w/ your contact info, need to ask you
something

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Yes we have


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-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Bob,

They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was
based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that 
stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I 
was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi.  Trango has a 
very efficient MAC with little waste.  If the the Exalt does real throughput

of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and

value proposition.  And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a

speed leader in unlicensed.

Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Tom,

 You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full
 duplex?
 How is that??
 The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

 If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x 
 $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to 
 say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 
 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and 
 probably do better).

 So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

 And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth 
 soon...

 -B-


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true
 throughput
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has 
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe 
 only 1%

 of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise 
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to
 the
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 
 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone 
 offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower
 than
 the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the 

 $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra 
 $1000
 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, 

RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Interesting article on gel vs flooded vs agm batteries..also read the
cooling stats
http://www.vonwentzel.net/Battery/01.Type/index.html
chuck

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


I've been putting the new gel cell units in my boat.  The kids are always 
leaving something on so the battery has been drained and charged a number of

times.  Still working great.

I get them at Napa.  Deep cycle with really good cold cranking amps.  I 
think the one's I've been buying are around $120 or so.  I'm putting them in

every rig here these days because they've worked so well on the boat.  So 
far, so good.

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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to 
 use
 are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with 
 constantly being charged by the UPS?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you
 need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
 gel
 type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive

 side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now

 and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
 battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
What is used to tell you how much runtime is left?  Have you found it 
accurate?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked 
OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle 
that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each 
and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.


We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running 
on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 
8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port 
switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to 
use are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will 
last with constantly being charged by the UPS?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
The SNMP interface you can get for it.  Web/telnet/ssh/snmp interface.  I
love the one from APC.  I can reboot a tower site from my blackberry!

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
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Junction City, OR 97448
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- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 What is used to tell you how much runtime is left?  Have you found it
 accurate?

 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

  We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked
  OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle
  that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each
  and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.
 
  We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running
  on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another
  8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port
  switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 
  Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to
  use are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will
  last with constantly being charged by the UPS?
 
  Mark Nash
  Network Engineer
  UnwiredOnline.Net
  350 Holly Street
  Junction City, OR 97448
  http://www.uwol.net
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
  - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
 
 
  You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so
  you need two batteries running in series.
 
  It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two
  gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the
  positive side of the connection.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 
  I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an
  external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it
  right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously
  with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle
  battery.  Any ideas?
 
  Mark Nash
  Network Engineer
  UnwiredOnline.Net
  350 Holly Street
  Junction City, OR 97448
  http://www.uwol.net
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Matt Liotta

Charles Wu wrote:

You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =)

-Charles --- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA
  
Does your company also take care of the license search and procurement 
process?


-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] DHCP with a twist

2006-11-15 Thread Sam Tetherow

There is a way, it is just more expensive than a CB3 ;)

One idea I have had is to set up a 'walled garden' for unknown DHCP 
assignments.  In other words if they don't match a static lease they go 
into a seperate address space which is restricted to an internal web 
site.  From they they can log in with their username and password from 
email and it will automagically figure out what mac goes with what IP 
address.


The code wouldn't take much in my setup, given their dynamic IP I know 
what AP they are on.  The program then logs into the AP and pulls the 
DHCP assignment from the lease table.  Given the username and password 
they logged in with I can tell what the IP is suppose to be and I can 
now update the static lease.  This wouldn't be that hard to write since 
I use MT for my APs.


But looking at the setup I ask myself, wouldn't it just make more sense 
to go PPPoE instead?  Less work on my end, it is standard and there is 
less stuff to break.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

David E. Smith wrote:

Sam Tetherow wrote:
  

Being five days late on this you have probably already solved it, but
just in case



Not really, no. :) I'm still in the planning phase of this next change
in the network.

  

The CB3 will request a DHCP address with it's MAC address (assuming it
is set to DHCP).  When the PC or router behind the CB3 requests a DHCP
lease you will see the MAC for that device.  The DHCP REQUEST message
actually contains the MAC address it is requesting an IP for, it is not
just assumed to be the MAC address that is seen making the request.  The
biggest issue I could think of with this setup is when the customers
device changes (new router or NIC) they will have to call into the NOC
and the DHCP assignment will have to be changed.



That's the problem I was hoping to avoid.

Honestly, I really like (from a technical standpoint) the cable modem
solution to all this. DOCSIS addresses pretty much every question I've
ever had, and then some. Heck, it even includes enforcing your bandwidth
quotas right there in the CPE, which gives me fits of giggles every time
I think about it. And it's dead simple for the customer to set up,
because there basically is no set-up to be done.

I'm sure there's a way to duplicate the benefits of DOCSIS on a wireless
network, I just haven't figured it out yet :)

David Smith
MVN.net
  


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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Please don't ask ... jeje

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Charles Wu wrote:
 You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =)

 -Charles --- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA
   
Does your company also take care of the license search and procurement 
process?

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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). 
They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the 
case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well 
worth it.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries?  I 
don't need an explosion.  My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is 
pretty well air tight.  How dangerous is a couple of regular deep 
cells in there?


Brian

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC 
unit? I
do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so 
if this

is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

Gino A. Villarini
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Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM
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APC SUNET700.  1 battery.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
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Junction City, OR 97448
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- Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini 
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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 


What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external

battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am
having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery'
light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson
We adjust the number of external batteries in the APC configuration 
settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have 
installed and it seems pretty accurate.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
What is used to tell you how much runtime is left?  Have you found it 
accurate?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They 
worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel 
deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 
pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.


We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running 
on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows 
another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 
24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want 
to use are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that 
will last with constantly being charged by the UPS?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
the positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Ok, so you put 4 when you use 2 AGM on series ?

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

We adjust the number of external batteries in the APC configuration 
settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have 
installed and it seems pretty accurate.

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 What is used to tell you how much runtime is left?  Have you found it 
 accurate?

 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They 
 worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel 
 deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 
 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.

 We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running 
 on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows 
 another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 
 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want 
 to use are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that 
 will last with constantly being charged by the UPS?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
 you need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
 the positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
 right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
 with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
 battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Charles Wu
Hi Matt,

Yes, we can take care of everything

The guys at Broadband Wireless Business did a nice writeup about this
process a few years ago -- check out
http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/volume.asp?Vol=39story=365

-Charles

P.S. -- FCC fees have increased substantially recently, so the prices quoted
in the article are a bit higher now

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Charles Wu wrote:
 You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =)

 -Charles --- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA
   
Does your company also take care of the license search and procurement 
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson

Yes.

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Ok, so you put 4 when you use 2 AGM on series ?

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

We adjust the number of external batteries in the APC configuration 
settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have 
installed and it seems pretty accurate.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
What is used to tell you how much runtime is left?  Have you found it 
accurate?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:


We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They 
worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel 
deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 
pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.


We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running 
on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows 
another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 
24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

  
Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want 
to use are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that 
will last with constantly being charged by the UPS?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS



You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
the positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

  
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax




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Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

We dropped it and parked the truck for now.

When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set up 
so that I'm the only one that can use the truck.


Our insurance is a wreck these days.  The costs have shot up so high it's 
almost impossible to afford any.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.


I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the
insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our
insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because
of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies
getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work?

Dylan
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[WISPA] Transtector Lightning Suppression

2006-11-15 Thread Eric Rogers
I don't know if anyone has looked into modular lightning suppression,
but I have been talking with someone from Transtector.  They make a 24V
version for Motorola with Cat5 jacks, and they make a 48V version for
Proxim/Cisco/Mikrotik/Whatever but they are screw terminals (for power
only).

 

He is looking to see if they can change the diodes on the 24V version to
allow clamp at 60V for the power side, and 15V on the data side with
Cat5 jacks.  Here is what it looks like
http://www.transtector.com/productdetail?item=1101-670.  Since this is
modular, I want to have the option to have Motorola, Mikrotik, and/or
Alvarion on the tower.  With this distribution panel, you can swap out
the lightning suppression to what you are using 24V equipment or 48V
Equipment.  Any ideas?  Anyone doing anything similar?

 

Would anyone else be interested in getting some?  I don't have any costs
yet, but he will get back with me soon.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

 

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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

Travis,
What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you draw and 
what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with the most 
cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries last?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you 
need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel 
type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right 
now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 
'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  
Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.


We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a 
little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We 
wire them in series (to get 24VDC).


This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

Travis,
What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you draw 
and what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with the 
most cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries last?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you 
need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right 
now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 
'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  
Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread Tom DeReggi

If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket!
Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck!

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.



We dropped it and parked the truck for now.

When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set 
up so that I'm the only one that can use the truck.


Our insurance is a wreck these days.  The costs have shot up so high it's 
almost impossible to afford any.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.


I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the
insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our
insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because
of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies
getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work?

Dylan
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[WISPA] 750feet FSO

2006-11-15 Thread Mario Pommier
Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at 
~750feet?
A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: 
http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php

I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably.
Thanks.

Mario




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Re: [WISPA] DHCP with a twist

2006-11-15 Thread Eric Merkel

You can do all this with DHCP at least with ISC's version of DHCPD. I
won't go into all the gory details but you but you can use clases to
put different mac's into different groups of IP ranges etc.

For example we set all of our CB3's to DHCP and based on their MAC
address we throw them into a private IP range. That way our techs can
log into them remotely and manage them. Then the customer's router MAC
goes into a separate class which gives them a public IP address and
then our packet shaper limits their speed based on which plan they
purchased.

You can also take any MAC address that is not registered in your DHCP
server and give them a BOGUS IP and DNS server which forces all
traffic to a registration server(walled garden) that allows them put
in their username and password. If it authenticates, then it put's
their MAC into the known clients and lets them have a real public IP
and away they go.

Anyhow, I guess what I am saying what you want to do is all possible
via DHCP. You don't have to add the additional overhead of PPPoE to
make what you want to do happen.

-Eric

On 11/15/06, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There is a way, it is just more expensive than a CB3 ;)

One idea I have had is to set up a 'walled garden' for unknown DHCP
assignments.  In other words if they don't match a static lease they go
into a seperate address space which is restricted to an internal web
site.  From they they can log in with their username and password from
email and it will automagically figure out what mac goes with what IP
address.

The code wouldn't take much in my setup, given their dynamic IP I know
what AP they are on.  The program then logs into the AP and pulls the
DHCP assignment from the lease table.  Given the username and password
they logged in with I can tell what the IP is suppose to be and I can
now update the static lease.  This wouldn't be that hard to write since
I use MT for my APs.

But looking at the setup I ask myself, wouldn't it just make more sense
to go PPPoE instead?  Less work on my end, it is standard and there is
less stuff to break.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

David E. Smith wrote:
 Sam Tetherow wrote:

 Being five days late on this you have probably already solved it, but
 just in case


 Not really, no. :) I'm still in the planning phase of this next change
 in the network.


 The CB3 will request a DHCP address with it's MAC address (assuming it
 is set to DHCP).  When the PC or router behind the CB3 requests a DHCP
 lease you will see the MAC for that device.  The DHCP REQUEST message
 actually contains the MAC address it is requesting an IP for, it is not
 just assumed to be the MAC address that is seen making the request.  The
 biggest issue I could think of with this setup is when the customers
 device changes (new router or NIC) they will have to call into the NOC
 and the DHCP assignment will have to be changed.


 That's the problem I was hoping to avoid.

 Honestly, I really like (from a technical standpoint) the cable modem
 solution to all this. DOCSIS addresses pretty much every question I've
 ever had, and then some. Heck, it even includes enforcing your bandwidth
 quotas right there in the CPE, which gives me fits of giggles every time
 I think about it. And it's dead simple for the customer to set up,
 because there basically is no set-up to be done.

 I'm sure there's a way to duplicate the benefits of DOCSIS on a wireless
 network, I just haven't figured it out yet :)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


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RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread Forbes Mercy
I use standard Farmers Insurance for our fleet insurance who has never 
mentioned a problem with the fact that it's a bucket truck or not.

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. 
Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

We dropped it and parked the truck for now.

When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set up 
so that I'm the only one that can use the truck.

Our insurance is a wreck these days.  The costs have shot up so high it's 
almost impossible to afford any.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



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From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.


I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the
insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our
insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because
of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies
getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work?

Dylan
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Tom DeReggi

Travis,

Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you don't 
have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick your 
preferred external ones?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS



Hi,

Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They 
don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case 
breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries?  I don't 
need an explosion.  My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is pretty well 
air tight.  How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there?


Brian

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC 
unit? I
do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if 
this

is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM
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APC SUNET700.  1 battery.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS




What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external

battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am
having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery'
light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Tom DeReggi

Brad,

I recognize your points and don't deny them. But I get what I get where I 
get it.
What I've been finding is that similar expereince is received with other 
products.(Meaning they don't always get their speed either).
Most of my Atlas Links (above 10 miles) are not running at top modulation, 
they usually operating optimally (no packet loss and low latency) at the 
36mbps modulation level, which pushes real data of significantly less, I 
forget the exact speeds with IPerf, but it was real close to 30 mbps. I 
don't have a single Atlas running slower than that in service.


But on shorter links, we've gotten full modulation and full speed (45mbps) 
out of the Atlas.  I believe I did post some speed results on the list over 
the summer.
But you are right you can't get it in a very noisy environment, if you have 
to get the TX and RX power to high. But its not really a distance limit, its 
a delicate balancing act to get everything just right. (RX signal not to 
high, TX power not to high, RSSI 20db above noise floor ). Its all 
controlled by using the right antenna.


The Atlas also makes a GREAT 5.3-54 backhaul, for links under 5-7 miles. 
When it operates at the low power, it runs much cleaner.


PS. recognize that my first post, I did not catch that the Exalts were FDX.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Hello Tom,

Yes auto-rate was off and ARQ was on.  We tried every combination possible
at the direction of Trango.

While I agree my experiences with Atlas may be on the worse side of the
scale I know many operators that have had the same poor experiences with
Atlas as we have.  I would venture to guess you are one of very few that has
seen 45Mbps out of an Atlas.  Just to clarify; we are talking about payload,
right?

Yes, antenna upgrades are common place with us.  Gabriel, RadioWaves and MTi
are our antennas of choice.  You should know that more than anyone as I was
one if not the biggest proponent of better antennas as it relates to Trango!

45Mbps HDX out of an Atlas, eh?  Sure would like to see some proof of
that...screenshot perhaps?  Certainly you're not going to claim an Atlas can
produce 45Mbps FDX as well are you?  After all, FDX is what this topic is
all about.

Best,


Brad


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Brad,

I'm aware of your Atlas experience. We've gotten Full 45mbps out of an Atlas

numerous times.
However, I admit, often that does require antenna size upgrade, and that
needs to be factored into the end cost for comparison.


Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate
itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat.


Thats why you turn off auto-rate, and turn on ARQ.

I guess I just never get that excited about buying a radio that costs more
than a decent car. (when a car technically is much more expensive to make)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Not only that, but the Atlas isn't capable of 45Mbps in any form much less
FDX.  Most we've ever seen out of an Atlas is maybe 20Mbps HDX with very
clean air.  Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate
itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat.

Believe me these up to or best effort radios are tempting, but until you
deploy a few $15k - $30k PtP radio sets that actually produce what they
claim you won't understand what we're talking about.

When I say you I'm not directing that at anyone in particular just a
general comment.

Best,


Brad


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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Tom,

You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full
duplex?   How is that??

The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x
$3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to say
what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you
could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better).

So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon...

-B-


Tom DeReggi wrote:


The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio 

Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson

Yup yup yup. Ours is a Ford F-350 4x4. :)

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:

If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket!
Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck!

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for 
installs.




We dropped it and parked the truck for now.

When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance 
set up so that I'm the only one that can use the truck.


Our insurance is a wreck these days.  The costs have shot up so high 
it's almost impossible to afford any.

Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.


I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the
insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our
insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because
of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies
getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work?

Dylan
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Ron Wallace
Travis,
What is the Manuf, Model of these gel cels, and where do you get them. 
additionally, is this a simple setup, just tie them in to the existing UPS. I 
have a Minuteman online 2000VA, only 2 batteries and they are small. Can I set 
these Batts in the Equip Bldg in a pan and let them exist w/ active equip? 
I'm in Michigan and it gets fairly cold in Winter.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:25 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked
OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle
that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and 
are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.

We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on 
two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8
hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port
switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to
 use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will
 last with constantly being charged by the UPS?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you
 need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
 positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an
 external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right 
 now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 
 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.
 Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] CROSS POST: Routerboard Stand-offs

2006-11-15 Thread Eric Merkel

I actually posted the same question on the isp-wireless list this
morning. This is what some kind person sent back.

https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=pcbsupportonadhbasefam=cbhardwarepg=1

https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=minilockpcbsupportfam=cbhardwarepg=1

-Eric

On 11/15/06, Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Someone had some MT Routerboard stand-offs that had an adhesive back, and I
was wishing to get my chubby little hand one a few, off-list please if you
can sell me some.



Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking,
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[WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9

2006-11-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni.  I 
thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2.  
It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite 
a bit less at the clients.  What level of power is the cm9 at by default 
in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to?


Brian
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Travis, Brian, Mark  Gino - this thread answers the questions I had 
about adding batteries to the UPS's. 

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 01:59 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Hi,

Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). 
They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the 
case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well 
worth it.

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I 
 don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is 
 pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep 
 cells in there?

 Brian

 Gino A. Villarini wrote:

 Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC 
 unit? I
 do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so 
 if this
 is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 APC SUNET700. 1 battery.

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 

 What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external
 battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am
 having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery'
 light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax



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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Tom,

Well, that's the point we're trying to make here as to why not all radios
are equal.  Achieving advertised payloads 24x7 and not up to or best
effort regardless of the environment (for the most part) is where the line
is drawn.  

Good example is a TeraBridge 5x45 PtP radio set that costs between $8k -
$15k depending on antennas, volume pricing etc.  This is a radio that
produces 45Mbps FDX period.  No auto-rating, no ARQ, no ifs, no ands or
buts.  That's 90Mbps aggregate using only two 16Mhz wide channels.  This
radio was originally designed and built probably long before Trango even
existed and has changed brand names no less than four times during its life.
As the saying goes; They just don't make 'em like that anymore!  lol

Of course that doesn't mean the radio is immune to interference, but as long
as you have enough gain over and above the noise floor they produce 45Mbps
FDX.  We have several pairs running in arguably one of the noisiest
environments in the nation.  In two separate cases we tried the Atlas at
either side of a TeraBridge and the Atlas just couldn't cut the mustard.
The Atlas is truly a toy in comparison to the TeraBridge.

Back to the point of this thread...the Exalt radios look promising.  I hope
we see more products like the TeraBridge and Exalt radios.  In order for us
to keep ahead of the LECs and cable companies we need better products not
cheaper ones.

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Brad,

I recognize your points and don't deny them. But I get what I get where I 
get it.
What I've been finding is that similar expereince is received with other 
products.(Meaning they don't always get their speed either).
Most of my Atlas Links (above 10 miles) are not running at top modulation, 
they usually operating optimally (no packet loss and low latency) at the 
36mbps modulation level, which pushes real data of significantly less, I 
forget the exact speeds with IPerf, but it was real close to 30 mbps. I 
don't have a single Atlas running slower than that in service.

But on shorter links, we've gotten full modulation and full speed (45mbps) 
out of the Atlas.  I believe I did post some speed results on the list over 
the summer.
But you are right you can't get it in a very noisy environment, if you have 
to get the TX and RX power to high. But its not really a distance limit, its

a delicate balancing act to get everything just right. (RX signal not to 
high, TX power not to high, RSSI 20db above noise floor ). Its all 
controlled by using the right antenna.

The Atlas also makes a GREAT 5.3-54 backhaul, for links under 5-7 miles. 
When it operates at the low power, it runs much cleaner.

PS. recognize that my first post, I did not catch that the Exalts were FDX.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Hello Tom,

Yes auto-rate was off and ARQ was on.  We tried every combination possible
at the direction of Trango.

While I agree my experiences with Atlas may be on the worse side of the
scale I know many operators that have had the same poor experiences with
Atlas as we have.  I would venture to guess you are one of very few that has
seen 45Mbps out of an Atlas.  Just to clarify; we are talking about payload,
right?

Yes, antenna upgrades are common place with us.  Gabriel, RadioWaves and MTi
are our antennas of choice.  You should know that more than anyone as I was
one if not the biggest proponent of better antennas as it relates to Trango!

45Mbps HDX out of an Atlas, eh?  Sure would like to see some proof of
that...screenshot perhaps?  Certainly you're not going to claim an Atlas can
produce 45Mbps FDX as well are you?  After all, FDX is what this topic is
all about.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Brad,

I'm aware of your Atlas experience. We've gotten Full 45mbps out of an Atlas

numerous times.
However, I admit, often that does require antenna size upgrade, and that
needs to be factored into the end cost for comparison.

Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate
itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat.

Thats why you turn off auto-rate, and turn on ARQ.

I guess I just never get that excited about buying a radio that costs more
than a decent car. (when a car technically is much more expensive to make)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Travis Johnson

Tom,

We remove the internal batteries completely. The only batteries 
connected are the large AGM type. We purchased 20 of them off ebay about 
2 years ago. The batteries were $50 each, and shipping was $50 each.


Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:

Travis,

Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you 
don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick 
your preferred external ones?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS



Hi,

Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). 
They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if 
the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but 
well worth it.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries?  I 
don't need an explosion.  My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is 
pretty well air tight.  How dangerous is a couple of regular deep 
cells in there?


Brian

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the 
APC unit? I
do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, 
so if this

is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

APC SUNET700.  1 battery.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS




What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external
battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
and am
having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
battery'

light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] America's InternetDisconnect

2006-11-15 Thread Alan Cain


And they're going to hold the Public Utility Districts up as examples of 
wonderful partnerships, never mind that they are big fat bloated money 
holes taking the worst of public and joining it with the worst of 
private (see Grant county PUD, via www.sliderule.net) - did I come 
across as negative??


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

Great.   Hang onto your wallets, guys.   It's gonna get rocky.

When you hear these guys say we gotta do something about it, it means hand
over massive piles of money to real business (ie, telcos).

There's nothing here about entreprenurial types being the stars of the
internet spread, it's the failure of government to make it happen.

The solution to our broadband crisis must ultimately involve public-private
initiatives like those that built the railroad, highway and telephone
systems. Combined with an overhaul of our universal service system to make
sure it is focusing on the needs of broadband, this represents our best
chance at recapturing our leadership position.

This means nothing other than some big business being given a monopoly and
getting into bed with the government.

  pounds head on desk...  People get what they vote for...why, oh
why...don't they learn 




+++
neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington
email me at mark at neofast dot net
541-969-8200
Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net

- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] America's InternetDisconnect


  

FCC Commissioner Mike Copps writes an editorial for the Wash. Post

http://tinyurl.com/ymuanq

America's Internet Disconnect

By Michael J. Copps
Wednesday, November 8, 2006; Page A27

America's record in expanding broadband communication is so poor that it
should be viewed as an outrage by every consumer and businessperson in the
country. Too few of us have broadband connections, and those who do pay


too
  

much for service that is too slow. It's hurting our economy, and things


are
  

only going to get worse if we don't do something about it.

The United States is 15th in the world in broadband penetration, according
to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). When the ITU measured


a
  

broader digital opportunity index (considering price and other factors)


we
  

were 21st -- right after Estonia. Asian and European customers get home
connections of 25 to 100 megabits per second (fast enough to stream
high-definition video). Here, we pay almost twice as much for connections
that are one-twentieth the speed.




  



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Re: [WISPA] Transtector Lightning Suppression

2006-11-15 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
I have a few of them to use with my Trango 900s. A little pricey but 
they're built well.


Leon

Eric Rogers wrote:

I don't know if anyone has looked into modular lightning suppression,
but I have been talking with someone from Transtector.  They make a 24V
version for Motorola with Cat5 jacks, and they make a 48V version for
Proxim/Cisco/Mikrotik/Whatever but they are screw terminals (for power
only).

 


He is looking to see if they can change the diodes on the 24V version to
allow clamp at 60V for the power side, and 15V on the data side with
Cat5 jacks.  Here is what it looks like
http://www.transtector.com/productdetail?item=1101-670.  Since this is
modular, I want to have the option to have Motorola, Mikrotik, and/or
Alvarion on the tower.  With this distribution panel, you can swap out
the lightning suppression to what you are using 24V equipment or 48V
Equipment.  Any ideas?  Anyone doing anything similar?

 


Would anyone else be interested in getting some?  I don't have any costs
yet, but he will get back with me soon.

 


Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

 

  
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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Yeah, we do the same, remove the internal batt and replace with 2 AGM 100 am
batts.  We bought a bunch of the DC block connectors that match the internal
apc batt connector

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Tom,

We remove the internal batteries completely. The only batteries 
connected are the large AGM type. We purchased 20 of them off ebay about 
2 years ago. The batteries were $50 each, and shipping was $50 each.

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Travis,

 Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you 
 don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick 
 your preferred external ones?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 Hi,

 Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). 
 They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if 
 the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but 
 well worth it.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries?  I 
 don't need an explosion.  My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is 
 pretty well air tight.  How dangerous is a couple of regular deep 
 cells in there?

 Brian

 Gino A. Villarini wrote:

 Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the 
 APC unit? I
 do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, 
 so if this
 is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 APC SUNET700.  1 battery.

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
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 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
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 What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

 Gino A. Villarini
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 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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 Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external
 battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
 and am
 having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
 battery'
 light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread Tim Wolfe

Tom DeReggi wrote:

If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket!
Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck!

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides 
running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are 
some negatives to just Not mentioning the fact that it has a bucket on 
it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This 
info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind 
the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them 
adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to 
actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is 
a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the 
insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great 
possibility that by omitting the fact that Your van had a bucket on 
it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to 
omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would 
stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing 
the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I 
do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying 
to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all 
insurance have something called Good faith agreements in them. This 
Good Faith agreement is based on upon the fact that both You and the 
insurance CO have been up front and honest with each other about what 
coverages You are receiving from the CO and what type of risk the CO is 
actually insuring. They fulfill their half by giving You a policy that 
specificly states what they will and will not pay for, and You fulfill 
Your responsibility by filling out the application with all of Your 
information so that the insurance CO can decide what to charge You based 
upon the information You provided them. If You lie, or as the politicly 
correct term used is Omit some vital information that would stop the 
CO from issuing insurance, then the contract is broken by You right up 
front, and this fact alone could cause You some grave financial harm if 
You employee tears down some fiber and/or phone lines. Just some food 
for thought.

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Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Dylan Oliver

On 11/15/06, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Matt,

Yes, we can take care of everything

The guys at Broadband Wireless Business did a nice writeup about this
process a few years ago -- check out

http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/volume.asp?Vol=39story=365

-Charles

P.S. -- FCC fees have increased substantially recently, so the prices
quoted
in the article are a bit higher now



So is it safe to say that one could get one of those $9k Dragon Wave links
licensed and ready to go for $12.5 - $15k?

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RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread Brad Belton
God forbid the van kills someone in a traffic accident unrelated to the
bucket all together.  The Insurance Company could and probably would deny
the claim due to a falsified application.  If an insurance company can find
a way out of a claim (especially a costly one) they will.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tim Wolfe
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket!
 Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck!

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides 
running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are 
some negatives to just Not mentioning the fact that it has a bucket on 
it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This 
info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind 
the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them 
adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to 
actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is 
a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the 
insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great 
possibility that by omitting the fact that Your van had a bucket on 
it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to 
omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would 
stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing 
the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I 
do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying 
to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all 
insurance have something called Good faith agreements in them. This 
Good Faith agreement is based on upon the fact that both You and the 
insurance CO have been up front and honest with each other about what 
coverages You are receiving from the CO and what type of risk the CO is 
actually insuring. They fulfill their half by giving You a policy that 
specificly states what they will and will not pay for, and You fulfill 
Your responsibility by filling out the application with all of Your 
information so that the insurance CO can decide what to charge You based 
upon the information You provided them. If You lie, or as the politicly 
correct term used is Omit some vital information that would stop the 
CO from issuing insurance, then the contract is broken by You right up 
front, and this fact alone could cause You some grave financial harm if 
You employee tears down some fiber and/or phone lines. Just some food 
for thought.
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? 


Gino,
Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

Brian


Travis Johnson wrote:


Hi,

We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.


We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
(a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).


This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

Travis,
What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you draw 
and what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with the 
most cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries last?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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RE: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9

2006-11-15 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
60mw, compaired to 400  If I remember.

Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.2kwireless.com
 
2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network
consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking,
security, and Mikrotik routers.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:12 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] star os/sr2mikrotik/cm9

I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni.  I 
thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2.  
It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite 
a bit less at the clients.  What level of power is the cm9 at by default 
in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to?

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread cw
You might have your agent try Progressive. Ours is listed as a ladder/bucket 
truck and they never said that was a problem. It's $2200/yr with collision 
and a million liability. Seems expensive to me but Florida insurance rates 
are just that way. - cw


Dylan Bouterse wrote:

I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the
insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our
insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because
of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies
getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work?

Dylan

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RE: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

2006-11-15 Thread Patrick Leary
I did and it was way back in 1996 or so. Used Lightpointe. It was an OC3
LED-based system. Tifton, GA. About 800 feet. Shot it from a Doctors
Building to the Radiology Building to avoid right-of-way issues (we
connected most other buildings with fiber). Worked great and as far as I
know it still does.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:09 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at 
~750feet?
A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: 
http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php
I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably.
Thanks.

Mario




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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

On 11/15/06, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Matt,

 Yes, we can take care of everything

 The guys at Broadband Wireless Business did a nice writeup about this
 process a few years ago -- check out


http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/volume.asp?Vol=39story=365

 -Charles

 P.S. -- FCC fees have increased substantially recently, so the prices
 quoted
 in the article are a bit higher now


So is it safe to say that one could get one of those $9k Dragon Wave links
licensed and ready to go for $12.5 - $15k?

Best,
-- 
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Primaverity, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-15 Thread lakeland
In NY I have to take the vehicle to the insurance company so they can verify 
ownership and vehicle net worth 

I would not be able to hide that the vehicle is a bucket truck 

We presently rent a bucket truck from unitef rental which includes insurance. 
3000 per month

Bob
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry  

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:45:53 
To:'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

God forbid the van kills someone in a traffic accident unrelated to the
bucket all together.  The Insurance Company could and probably would deny
the claim due to a falsified application.  If an insurance company can find
a way out of a claim (especially a costly one) they will.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tim Wolfe
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket!
 Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck!

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides 
running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are 
some negatives to just Not mentioning the fact that it has a bucket on 
it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This 
info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind 
the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them 
adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to 
actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is 
a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the 
insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great 
possibility that by omitting the fact that Your van had a bucket on 
it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to 
omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would 
stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing 
the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I 
do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying 
to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all 
insurance have something called Good faith agreements in them. This 
Good Faith agreement is based on upon the fact that both You and the 
insurance CO have been up front and honest with each other about what 
coverages You are receiving from the CO and what type of risk the CO is 
actually insuring. They fulfill their half by giving You a policy that 
specificly states what they will and will not pay for, and You fulfill 
Your responsibility by filling out the application with all of Your 
information so that the insurance CO can decide what to charge You based 
upon the information You provided them. If You lie, or as the politicly 
correct term used is Omit some vital information that would stop the 
CO from issuing insurance, then the contract is broken by You right up 
front, and this fact alone could cause You some grave financial harm if 
You employee tears down some fiber and/or phone lines. Just some food 
for thought.
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
Gino,
Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

Brian


Travis Johnson wrote:


Hi,

We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.


We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
(a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).


This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

Travis,
What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you draw 
and what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with 
the most cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries last?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
the positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery.  Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Oops too much coronas

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
 Gino,
 Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

 Brian


 Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
 positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.

 We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
 (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
 We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).

 This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
 locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

 Travis,
 What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you draw 
 and what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with 
 the most cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries last?

 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
 you need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
 the positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
 right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
 with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
 battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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RE: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

2006-11-15 Thread Brad Belton
Have you spoken with Stephen Patrick at www.cablefreesolutions.com yet?

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at 
~750feet?
A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: 
http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php
I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably.
Thanks.

Mario




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Re: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9

2006-11-15 Thread Blair Davis

The cm9 is rated for 17db

The sr2 is rated for about 26db

we are happy with the sr2, sr5 and sr9.   all deployed and work well

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni.  I 
thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2.  
It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it 
quite a bit less at the clients.  What level of power is the cm9 at by 
default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push 
it to?


Brian



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[WISPA] Lighting up hotels

2006-11-15 Thread Sam Tetherow
I'm curious what other people are doing to light up hotels or building 
hotspots.


We have been using CB3s as the APs and a routerboard for the router and 
backhaul.  But I'm curious what kinds of setups other people have been 
using and what their luck has been.  I don't need actual hotspot 
functionality, but I think it would be beneficial to offer 802.11g 
atleast from a 'marketing' perspective.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

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Re: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9

2006-11-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
When I use sr2 my ack timing is all over the place, like 300 and the 
links are crap.  I drop in a cm9 and all the ack's fall to 30's where 
they should be.  This is all on MT.


Brian

Blair Davis wrote:


The cm9 is rated for 17db

The sr2 is rated for about 26db

we are happy with the sr2, sr5 and sr9.   all deployed and work well

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni.  I 
thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up 
sr2.  It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think 
it quite a bit less at the clients.  What level of power is the cm9 
at by default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I 
push it to?


Brian





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RE: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

2006-11-15 Thread Ken Chipps
FSO is rock solid up to 500 meters or so, and very reliable in most cases up
to a kilometer. If you need a vendor to help you with this, let me know. I
know an excellent, very experienced person in this business.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at 
~750feet?
A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: 
http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php
I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably.
Thanks.

Mario




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Re: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

2006-11-15 Thread John Scrivner
This is a neutral place so feel free to share the guy you know so we all 
know who it is. If you have a vested interest then just say so and we 
will all pummel you for being a spammer!   :-)   jkPlease do share 
who you know that can help.

Thanks,
Scriv


Ken Chipps wrote:


FSO is rock solid up to 500 meters or so, and very reliable in most cases up
to a kilometer. If you need a vendor to help you with this, let me know. I
know an excellent, very experienced person in this business.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at 
~750feet?
A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: 
http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php

I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably.
Thanks.

Mario




 


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