Carlos,
that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate:
Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment
will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each.
Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished,
packaged
Guys,
We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. We are
backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in
the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but
the distance is a problem. Any suggestions on a product that can do high
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Matt Liotta wrote:
Guys,
We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis.
Wow! Business must be good!
We are backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an
option in the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's
products, but the
Are you looking at Unlicensed? I'm a fan of Mikrotik for high throughput,
long distance links. With bonding you can easily get 100Mbps speeds, just
keep adding links as your need grows.
See this: 150 Mbps FDX, unlicensed, with failover
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Super_wireless_test
While I'm a fan of MikroTik, the test setup you show is not a viable
solution in a real world deployment.
Best,
Brad
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170 Mb FD Dragonwave...
About $20K
Matt Liotta wrote:
Guys,
We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. We are
backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in
the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but
the distance is a
Agreed, 18GHz should fit the bill nicely for 100Mbps in the 5-10 miles
range. 80GHz will do 100Mbps - 1000Mbps up to about 3-4miles. I hear 65GHz
will do 100Mbps - 1000Mbps beyond 5miles.
Of course it all depends on your acceptable uptime requirement.
Best,
Brad
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I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good
choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to
play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so
im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to
learn the how
Matt,
The Orthagon 600 series is supposed to do 300 mb on a 30 Mhz channel. I
believe they do this using both vert and hor polarity. Is this the system
you are out growing?
Tim Kerns
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What distances do you need? 5 to 10 miles is a big swing for some gear
What's your budget?
A series of 60 gig radios might work well for ya.
Certainly the Dragonwave 24 gig gear should do.
You might also look at Harris or Microwave networks licensed gear.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
Andrea Coppini (AIR Networks) wrote:
Are you looking at Unlicensed? I'm a fan of Mikrotik for high throughput,
long distance links. With bonding you can easily get 100Mbps speeds, just
keep adding links as your need grows.
See this: 150 Mbps FDX, unlicensed, with failover
I have a handful of these in NYC and Wash DC. They kick ass and the
company backs them 150%. They are my first licensed choice. Ceragon is
my second.
-B-
Bob Moldashel wrote:
170 Mb FD Dragonwave...
About $20K
Matt Liotta wrote:
Guys,
We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on
fyi,
I believe that it's oxygen that absorbs 60 gig. Not so much rain. Often
companies tie 60 gig and FSO together for short hop very high speed
redundant links. Each fades differently in different weather.
Note, everything above 10 gig has rain fade, some bands just more so than
others
I received an email from my support staff who was mad because a customer called
screaming at them and the tech felt the installers weren't fixing problems
aggressive enough. Normally this is a simple fix but during this stressful
season both sides flew off in a rage. Our company dinner is
Hi Carlos
You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link.
I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results
pretty well sucked. big time.
However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's
supposed to allow an ap work as
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170 Mb FD Dragonwave...
About $20K
Hi Matt,
I agree with Bob here,
My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP. Use a
5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a
2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local
customers. The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to
install, and an extra
reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough
starting with 11Mbps
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió:
Hi Carlos
You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link.
I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The
Deep Breaths. Some fun time at work. More breaks with sugar and less
caffeine. Exercise.
All work to release stress.
If everyone is under pressure at your office - and you know it - it is
your job to help manage that stress.
Or lose customers.
Just my quick 2 cents.
Peter
Forbes Mercy
Ok, following your recomendations in order to set up the link without
using more than 3 radios what you recommend its to use th WAR from
Staros i have a wireless repeaters using cisco so the extra radios for
customers are not necesary (sorry my english) if i use this
NOC war with one antenna
Tim Kerns wrote:
The Orthagon 600 series is supposed to do 300 mb on a 30 Mhz channel.
I believe they do this using both vert and hor polarity. Is this the
system you are out growing?
First of all, 300Mbps is an aggregate figure. Second, in a low latency
deployment at 5-10 miles it is not
Well, I know we have been round and round this subject before, but, I am
finally ready to buy a spectrum analyzer
What I want
Coverage of 900MHz, 2.3-2.5GHz, and 5-6GHz
Absolute power readings... I don't really care what the range on the
power readings is as I can adjust the level as
John Scrivner wrote:
Wow! Business must be good!
That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and are racing
to service them all. The more we install the more capacity upgrades we
have to do meaning even more installs. This kind of growth is extremely
challenging because if it
24 Ghz. won't do 5-10 miles.
The other option is an Exalt 2.4 Ghz. or 5 Ghz radio. 100 Mb Full
Duplex (Yes 2.4 Ghz.) for around $15-16K plus antennas
-B-
Matt Liotta wrote:
John Scrivner wrote:
Wow! Business must be good!
That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and
I am familiar with these issues and hope you have time to read the post today at
http://www.dailywireless.org/
Cheers,
-Dee
Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net
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My experience is showing about a max of 240 Mbps aggregate bandwidth for a
link that long. My shortest link is about a quarter mile and is getting
283 Mbps.
Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA
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I can vouch for Dragon Wave. We have 2 11Ghz links, rock solid, Latency that
rivals fiber.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
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11 megs like your Cisco radios claim (then actually do half or less than
that) or a real 11 meg?
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
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How about Dragonwave 18ghz or 11ghz? I think they make a 200mbps product
in both of those bands.
Travis
Microserv
Bob Moldashel wrote:
24 Ghz. won't do 5-10 miles.
The other option is an Exalt 2.4 Ghz. or 5 Ghz radio. 100 Mb Full
Duplex (Yes 2.4 Ghz.) for around $15-16K plus antennas
Dee,
There is a lot of interesting info and a lot of speculative and very
wrong info in that article on WiMAX security; especially the part saying
that it's easy to jam WiMAX. Witness the following text from the article:
It is reasonably simple, however, for an attacker to use readily
NOo
NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is always
on. No more WMux fiascos needed.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
NOo
NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is
always on. No more WMux fiascos needed.
Why not?
-Matt
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We have done Dragon Wave with links over 20 miles at 18ghz. with 4 ft
dishes.(23ghz is very low powered and would get you more then a few
miles) We have seen a few minutes a year in rain fade as it is pushing
the limits. There is now an high power unit that has about 10db more tx
power then
Marlon,
For WDS, you lose half your capacity, so an 11meg link will instantly drop
down to 5.5meg if I understand it right.
Having said that, I've got a couple of Tranzeo AP's running WDS right now,
working as a repeater, and the performance is horrible. I think part of my
problem though
If reliability is your main issue then you may reconsider using wifi
product and omni antennas. There are so many things that can effect the
radio signal. If you link to experiment then perhaps it's good to go
with WAR boards as it's kind of a make it yourself solution. If you
want
We've got one of our Avcom Rental units available for sale. We rent
these for $100 per week. This has been used on and off for the past
year and it's time to move it. It sells for $3K new, we need $1000 for
the analyzer. We have a 5Ghz freq extender as well for $400, normally
$800. Only
In the WISP industry there are a few names that stick out as being
companies who have been true friends to WISPs over the years. One of the
names that truly tops the list is ImageStream. If you need a router then
these guys have one that will do the job well, whatever the job is. The
amazing
Ihave never check the real speed but the radio it is a G so it must be
more than that
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió:
11 megs like your Cisco radios claim (then actually do half or less
than that) or a real 11 meg?
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment
OK, about the cost lets say max 1300 Dlls each equipment, could be any
equipment that solve the problem, well actually its not a problem i have
done this kind of link before what i want now it is not to use 4
equipments and doing with 5.8
Mike Brownson escribió:
If reliability is your main
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Dee,
There is a lot of interesting info and a lot of speculative and very
wrong info in that
Can anyone share what they use for remote power management/reboot
devices?
Thanks
Chris
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You need to look at Nera, Ceragon, and Gigacom.
The Gigacom product is the only one that you can get any real long distance out
of depending on the freq. They have licensed radios that perform very well in
the rainforest of South America at very long distance. 60k or 40 miles for some
Why not?
Because its greedy.
And when your competitors is unsensitive to the fact that you are greedy, he
combats your spectrum/radio, and you or he has no where to go (spectrum
wise) for a resolution, he will win because he doesn;t have customers yet,
and you do, so you will move to protect
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The Gigacom product is the only one that you can get any real long distance out
of depending on the freq. They have licensed radios that perform very well in
the rainforest of South America at very long distance. 60k or 40 miles for some
applications at speeds of up
Not only that, but is the GigE radio even available yet?
Brad
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
Because its greedy.
Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy.
And when your competitors is unsensitive to the fact that you are
greedy, he combats your spectrum/radio, and you or he has no where to
go (spectrum wise) for a resolution, he will win because he doesn;t
Matt Liotta wrote:
Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy.
Whoops... meant inefficient.
-Matt
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http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html
http://www.hw-group.com/products/ip_watchdog/index_lite_en.html
http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetailitem=NET10332
http://dataprobe.com/products/power/index.html
-Eric
chris cooper wrote:
Can anyone share what they use for remote
Matt,
If you live in a remote area, with no potential interferers, then my comment
does not apply.
But last I heard you were deploying in the middle of Urban Atlanta and
possibly Urban DC, with the potential for many interferers eventually.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
Matt,
If you live in a remote area, with no potential interferers, then my
comment does not apply.
But last I heard you were deploying in the middle of Urban Atlanta and
possibly Urban DC, with the potential for many interferers eventually.
We mostly deploy in urban
These are the best ones by far
http://www.webpowerswitch.com/
The low end unit is only $139 or something like that. They have
autoping and remote web interface as well. I haven't seen anything else
come close for the price.
Their rackmount units are awesome too, for $295 with 16
The above confuses me. In the situation where I have a PtP radio using
the full band there is no colocation opportunity for a competitor on
either side. That means the competitor would have be on a site near by
to be affected by me and/or to affect me. If this hypothetical
competitor doesn't
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Several of us on this list know how to shut down these large channel
backhauls, and have done so when they have intentionally interfered
with our operations. Be ready for someone to do the same to you if
you try using a full-band backhaul. More than one operator
It doesn't use the entire band...
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
NOo
NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is
always on. No more WMux fiascos needed.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408)
Bob Moldashel wrote:
You can do that now with 3 Ceragon or Dragonwave radios phased into 1
antenna with much better redundancy. If one link dies you still have
the other two.
How are you phasing the radios together without significant loss?
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Matt Liotta wrote:
Matt Liotta wrote:
Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy.
Whoops... meant inefficient.
-Matt
100 Mb FD on a 32 Mhz. channel.That's not bad.
Besides...get the GPS syc option and you can tie in a handful of links
on the same channel. That makes them
There is a matching network that goes on the rear of the antenna. At
higher freqs the loss is much lower than on lower freqs.
-B-
Matt Liotta wrote:
Bob Moldashel wrote:
You can do that now with 3 Ceragon or Dragonwave radios phased into 1
antenna with much better redundancy. If one
I have an Iboot. I've heard of another brand that's more powerful and half
the money but I don't have the info here.
Chuck, you on this list?
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OK...Lets have a review..
It does not use the whole band.
It has GPS sync so you can use multiple links on the same channel. That
makes it efficient...
It works for the application..
There is a big difference of opinion here regarding spectrum usage. My
way of seeing it is as
BTW:: While we are talking responsibility and efficiency how many of
you guys and gals drive SUV's, Pick-Up trucks, Vans and other 8 cylinder
vehicles Put your hands up. You know who you are..
:-)
-B-
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OK...Lets have a review..
It does not use the
I thought that they did. How much do they use?
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It doesn't use the entire band...
http://www.exaltcom.com/
BTW: What kind of truck do you have :-P
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I thought that they did. How much do they use?
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Oh, you are gonna love this!
My truck is a '96 green Taurus wagon! Lots of room with all the seats
folded down. It's easy to get the ladder on and off of. Gets almost 20 mpg
even with the ladder on top. But oil pans are $500 a whack and I've got too
many sites up in the sticks now so I
Bob,
I tried to downsize last year, but the Toyota Prius I bought just
couldn't pull the 27ft enclosed snowmobile trailer with snowmobiles
inside... so I went back to a Chevy with a 6.0L and 4x4. It gets 8mpg
while towing... but the batteries don't overheat. :)
Travis
Microserv
Bob
20mpg? Big deal, I get pretty dang close to that (17-18mpg city) with my
foot the in floorboard of my Excursion. This is my second Excursion...it is
fast approaching 150k miles and running strong as new. Too bad Ford killed
it.
Of course it has the diesel with a few minor modifications...grin
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