Re: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-15 Thread Tom DeReggi

Salaries are likely to vary by region.
In the DC Metro area, you aren't going to find a CEO class person willing to 
work for $40K (as a non-equity / non-investor person).
More like $100K +.  If I could find one for significantly less, I'd have one 
:-(   But this probably has more to do with cost of living in our area.
But I don't think this is a fair question.  Salary is proportional to the 
revenue that is controlled and managed by the CEO. If the company is bigger, 
they are likely to pay more.
In a startup, people work for future potential, or for the fun of teh 
experience.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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I've been going through a bunch of sale / merger / buyout / funding 
meetings
lately, and that's about the salary they've all agreed on for an owner of 
a

wisp at around 500 users.

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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:10 PM
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I just take what I need home.  It doesn't amount to much but the company
pays all gas, cell phone, auto repair, computer etc. bills.  So the number
isn't really fair.

We billed an insurance company for some work that I did after a storm, we
negotiated a $4000 per month rate for me as a typical paycheck for a 
person

with a company of this one's size.

laters,
marlon

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Hi,

Just taking a quick survey... answer if you can, but be honest... ;)

What is the salary of the CEO of your ISP? Even if you can share the
percentage of that salary compared to annual gross revenue...

Travis
Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help

2006-12-15 Thread Butch Evans

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

customer's location via speakeasy!  grin Maybe I'll see if Butch 
can come up with something that will choke people back after 10 
minutes of anything over say, 2 megs, then slow them down down down 
till they stop using the net for an hour or two.  Wonder how hard 
it would be to set up the MT boxes to do that?


Not too hard for TCP for sure...For other protocols, it can probably 
be accomplished, but I've never tried that.


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[WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology

2006-12-15 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology

By kpaul, Section BSU
Posted on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:46:47 AM EST
By Anthony Romano

MUNCIE, IN - The wireless world will be watching Ball State's Office 
of Wireless Research and Mapping (OWRM) closely as it becomes among the 
first to test and deploy WiMAX technology in the United States.


Using a six-month experimental license granted by the FCC, the OWRM is 
partnering with Alvarion and Digital Bridge Communications to test WiMAX 
technology on equipment at 3.5GHz, a frequency used outside of the 
United States.


Testing is being done at this higher frequency because there is 
currently no equipment available for testing at 2.5 GHz, a frequency 
that will be used to provide broadband services such as cell phones and 
Internet in the United States in the coming months.


The goal is to find out as much about this technology as possible, and 
then begin sharing the information with others who are anxiously 
awaiting for 2.5GHz WiMAX technology to arrive, said O'Neal Smitherman, 
Ball State's vice president for information technology.


Researchers from OWRM are putting the WiMAX technology through a variety 
of tests in order to find out more about connectivity, throughput, 
capacity, signal strength and penetration inside the home under 
variables such as weather, trees, elevation and distance.


Smitherman says several telecommunications companies have already 
expressed interest in the test results because of valuable information 
it will provide in the future development of broadband services to more 
rural and underserved areas of the country.


Through testing and deployment over the next 90 days, we will be able 
to examine the performance of the WiMAX platform based on the IEEE 
802.16 standard, as well as have an opportunity to fine tune our GIS 
mapping capability using real data, said Smitherman. This will give us 
the data needed to accurately predict and map signal coverage anywhere.


Digital Bridge Communications, a provider of broadband wireless services 
to rural and underserved communities, will assist the OWRM in the 
testing and deployment of true WiMAX technology. Equipment being used 
for testing comes from Alvarion, the world's largest manufacturer of 
wireless broadband. Afterimage GIS, a company that specializes in RF 
modeling, design and market analysis will also assist in the study.

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Re: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-15 Thread Peter R.

Check with your CPA on that.
The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that 
your company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you 
avoid the sole proprietor tax schedule.
(It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual 
shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate 
shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation).


- Peter

Tom DeReggi wrote:

Zero.  When the CEO is also the primary investor, and the company is 
an S-corp or LLC, why pay payroll tax, when you can just take a 
repayment of loan?
The salary of the CEO can be meaningless unless also disclosed wether 
they have an equity position or not, and of what caliber.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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[WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

2006-12-15 Thread rabbtux rabbtux

I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps.  Sounds like
they bought up a bunch of university 2.5  2.6 G licenses
inexpensively.  Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in
NLOS environments?

Thanks - Marshall
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Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help

2006-12-15 Thread Mario Pommier

Marlon,
   You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being 
charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage.

   And, yeah, people do like.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

We don't put everyone on Postini.  We charge those that want the 
filtering $1 per month.  Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high 
to just include automatically.  Instead, we make money on spam.  I'd 
say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take 
Postini.


We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini.  No one 
wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-).


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help


If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini 
system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially.




Frank Muto
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
Postini Partner Reseller
http://wispa.spam-virus.com







- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


I want to keep billing per bit.  It's, by far, the most effective 
way to compete against cable and dsl.  It's also a good way to push 
the hogs over to competing services.  Our average user is running at 
about 1.7 gigs per month.  This includes all of my servers and the 
mail server alone hit 50 gigs last month.  So I'll bet that the 
average user is actually under 1.5 gigs per month.



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Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help

2006-12-15 Thread John Scrivner

Can you explain this in more detail? I am not quite following you on this.
Thanks,
Scriv


Mario Pommier wrote:


Marlon,
   You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being 
charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage.

   And, yeah, people do like.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

We don't put everyone on Postini.  We charge those that want the 
filtering $1 per month.  Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high 
to just include automatically.  Instead, we make money on spam.  I'd 
say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take 
Postini.


We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini.  No one 
wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-).


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help


If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini 
system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially.




Frank Muto
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
Postini Partner Reseller
http://wispa.spam-virus.com







- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 
982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I want to keep billing per bit.  It's, by far, the most effective 
way to compete against cable and dsl.  It's also a good way to push 
the hogs over to competing services.  Our average user is running 
at about 1.7 gigs per month.  This includes all of my servers and 
the mail server alone hit 50 gigs last month.  So I'll bet that the 
average user is actually under 1.5 gigs per month.




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RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

2006-12-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini
If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ...

Gino A. Villarini
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Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps.  Sounds like
they bought up a bunch of university 2.5  2.6 G licenses
inexpensively.  Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in
NLOS environments?

Thanks - Marshall
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Re: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

2006-12-15 Thread John Scrivner
It is not WiMax but a similar proprietary fixed wireless platform which 
takes advantage of OFDM, higher power and exclusive use of bandwidth in 
2.5 GHz. It was created before there was WiMax. I have never used the 
product but have heard others speak favorably of it.

Scriv


Gino A. Villarini wrote:


If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps.  Sounds like
they bought up a bunch of university 2.5  2.6 G licenses
inexpensively.  Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in
NLOS environments?

Thanks - Marshall
 


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RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

2006-12-15 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
Sure is NextNet, Both of us are in the same hut. The DC injectors say
NextNet Wireless and so do the ODU's when I climb past them

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:40 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps.  Sounds like
they bought up a bunch of university 2.5  2.6 G licenses
inexpensively.  Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in
NLOS environments?

Thanks - Marshall
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[WISPA] Daytona, FL referral

2006-12-15 Thread Dylan Bouterse
I have a customer in Daytona, FL that needs better than DSL upload
speeds and QOS if possible. If anybody on the list is covering that area
please contact me offlist. Thank you.

Dylan
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Re: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

I heard from a customer that they have issues with distance.

One of his neighbors was attempting to use their service, but it wasn't
working correctly, even though it was fully LOS.

As best I can tell, they're more money around here, less bandwidth, and have
trouble beyond 12 miles???

Then again, that's rumor, of course.


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- Original Message - 
From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 7:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?


 I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps.  Sounds like
 they bought up a bunch of university 2.5  2.6 G licenses
 inexpensively.  Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in
 NLOS environments?

 Thanks - Marshall
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RE: [WISPA] Welcome Imagestream - WISPA's Newest Vendor Member!

2006-12-15 Thread Charles Wu
Aren't the current WISP dues like $250 ish / year? (that really isn't that
much)


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It also means that at some point organization will have to be 
established with committees to handle recruiting new, paid members; 
vendors; etc.

Vendors need to get ROI - pay back on the membership fee. Vendors need
member support, just as members need Vendor support.

If you have a favorite vendor, why not ask them to join WISPA? It's your org
and you need to help it grow and thrive as well. (It's not just the Board
who's unpaid job it is to do all the heavy 
lifting).

I have been on the Board at 2 ISP associations (names withheld on 
purpose :).
Members always complain about the dues.
My suggestion was that we reduce the dues based on hours spent working 
for the ORG.
So if you were active on 2 committees, perhaps your dues were reduced by 
50 or 65%.
Just a thought to bat around.

Same with a vendor. Some vendors cannot cost justify $1000 per year. For
instance, a DSL modem company would have to move 1000 modems or more 
to ROI the membership fee.

Just some early morning ramblings.

- Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

Mac Dearman wrote:

 Welcome Jeff - J.C and whole ImageStream gang!

I don't know what the rest of you guys/gal's think, but to me - - WISPA 
is gaining ground, industry recognition and respect amongst our peer's. 
When we have quality vendors (such as we have) coming on-board it tells 
me that we will soon have the tools in the arsenal to really make a 
huge difference in the industry that we are a part of. The future looks 
very bright - indeed.

Mac Dearman

  

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Re: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-15 Thread Larry Yunker
- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary



Check with your CPA on that.
The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that your 
company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you avoid the 
sole proprietor tax schedule.
(It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual 
shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate 
shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation).


I think you are on the mark here... according to what I picked up through my 
Business Planning coursework, the IRS has fairly consistently applied a 
reasonableness test to the salary of a CEO who is also a majority 
shareholder.  But reasonable is a fairly broad term.  Zero would not be 
reasonable in any case, but $10,000 or more might meet the reasonableness 
standard for companies with limited revenues.  On the other hand, if your 
company is turning $1MM in sales, you better be paying your full time CEO 
substantially more than $10,000 because the IRS will see right through that 
ploy.  In addition, if you try to pay the CEO through an incentive program 
(dividends or stock options) in lieu of salary, the IRS will treat the 
capital-gains as real income and will tax the CEO at the higher personal 
rate.  You have to provide a balance of salary and other non-salary 
incentives in order to get the maximum tax advantage.


- Larry




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Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Basically,  we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because
there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to
the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in
a bag...).




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- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails


 T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax
in
 the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
 board combination.

 Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to
me.


 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails


  Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the
  woods.  I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power.
  They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because
  snow
  was predicted and already a little bit had fallen.   We got it there,
link
  established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran
out
  of
  power.   The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we
were
  dead.
 
  The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of
  snow
  had fallen.   When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the
  power
  in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal.
 
  We tried everything we  could think of, short of changing parts, because
  we
  didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get
  through
  the deep snow), no signal.
 
  Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install
rig,
  my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon
  between
  them and the main road.
 
  Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no
  signal.   Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts
changed
  out, and standing there, on the ground...  I had a solid link.
 
  Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide
  some
  light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna...
  POOF, signal.
 
  Put the original back on...  Poof, signal.  then, none.   Work  the
  pigtail
  around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof,
  signal.
 
  I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to
  nothing.
 
  T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax
in
  the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
  board combination.
 
  I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and
  put
  it in place...  Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on...
 
  Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold?   I
tried
  two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think.  Neither
  could
  be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold...
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help

2006-12-15 Thread Frank Muto
Postini has what is called, non-account bouncing and it will allow those 
accounts not in the Postini data base to be passed through. Another benefit 
is that Postini will filter all non-accounts for viruses using two filtering 
engines, McAfee and Authentium. If McAfee finds an email clean, it will be 
also be scanned by Authentium.
With non-account bouncing, you can also see those email accounts via 
reporting and see how much data they pass on to your system.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
Postini Partner Reseller
http://wispa.spam-virus.com





- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Can you explain this in more detail? I am not quite following you on this.
Thanks,
Scriv


Mario Pommier wrote:


Marlon,
   You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being 
charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage.

   And, yeah, people do like.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

We don't put everyone on Postini.  We charge those that want the 
filtering $1 per month.  Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high to 
just include automatically.  Instead, we make money on spam.  I'd say 
around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take Postini.


We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini.  No one 
wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-).


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help


If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini 
system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially.


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[WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?


I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom

and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] Welcome Imagestream - WISPA's Newest Vendor Member!

2006-12-15 Thread John Scrivner
Vendors pay $1000 per year and get to advertise directly to list 
members. We seem to have much better luck showing vendors the value of 
paid membership than the very people we serve most, namely the WISP 
operators. We are getting some new operators from time to time and we 
appreciate each and every one of them. What is important for us all to 
understand is that we will really start to see much more opportunity for 
the collective once we see a higher number of operators joining the 
organization formally. If you are a WISP and you use this list or other 
WISPA provided resources then please go to http://signup.wispa.org and 
signup to become a member of the organization. It takes about two 
minutes of your time and $250 once a year. We will send you the invoice 
and directions for your next steps once you signup for membership. WISPA 
belongs to all of you (WISP operators) so please show your support. 
Signup today.

Thanks guys,
John Scrivner
President
WISPA


Charles Wu wrote:


Aren't the current WISP dues like $250 ish / year? (that really isn't that
much)


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Welcome Imagestream - WISPA's Newest Vendor Member!


It also means that at some point organization will have to be 
established with committees to handle recruiting new, paid members; 
vendors; etc.


Vendors need to get ROI - pay back on the membership fee. Vendors need
member support, just as members need Vendor support.

If you have a favorite vendor, why not ask them to join WISPA? It's your org
and you need to help it grow and thrive as well. (It's not just the Board
who's unpaid job it is to do all the heavy 
lifting).


I have been on the Board at 2 ISP associations (names withheld on 
purpose :).

Members always complain about the dues.
My suggestion was that we reduce the dues based on hours spent working 
for the ORG.
So if you were active on 2 committees, perhaps your dues were reduced by 
50 or 65%.

Just a thought to bat around.

Same with a vendor. Some vendors cannot cost justify $1000 per year. For
instance, a DSL modem company would have to move 1000 modems or more 
to ROI the membership fee.


Just some early morning ramblings.

- Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

Mac Dearman wrote:

 


Welcome Jeff - J.C and whole ImageStream gang!

I don't know what the rest of you guys/gal's think, but to me - - WISPA 
is gaining ground, industry recognition and respect amongst our peer's. 
When we have quality vendors (such as we have) coming on-board it tells 
me that we will soon have the tools in the arsenal to really make a 
huge difference in the industry that we are a part of. The future looks 
very bright - indeed.


Mac Dearman



   


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Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread Blair Davis
I place my pigtails on a cookie sheet, stretched to the position I want 
them to be in, then bake them at about 175F for 30-45 min.


Takes that shape memory right out of them.

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


Basically,  we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because
there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to
the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in
a bag...).




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- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails


 


T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax
 


in
 


the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.
 


Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to
   


me.
 


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails


   


Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the
woods.  I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power.
They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because
snow
was predicted and already a little bit had fallen.   We got it there,
 


link
 


established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran
 


out
 


of
power.   The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we
 


were
 


dead.

The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of
snow
had fallen.   When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the
power
in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal.

We tried everything we  could think of, short of changing parts, because
we
didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get
through
the deep snow), no signal.

Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install
 


rig,
 


my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon
between
them and the main road.

Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no
signal.   Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts
 


changed
 


out, and standing there, on the ground...  I had a solid link.

Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide
some
light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna...
POOF, signal.

Put the original back on...  Poof, signal.  then, none.   Work  the
pigtail
around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof,
signal.

I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to
nothing.

T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax
 


in
 


the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.

I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and
put
it in place...  Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on...

Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold?   I
 


tried
 


two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think.  Neither
could
be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold...



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RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Charles Wu
I've got a roll of it I'll give you REAL cheap (it's been sitting in the
warehouse for over a year now)

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5


Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Mike Delp
We just deployed on two water towers, and ran 25 pair cables on both.  We
have 8 port patch panels (from Skywalker) and a total of 14 cables on one
tower.  We have deployed AP's and backhauls to almost fill up the boxes.  It
works great.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-15 Thread Frank Muto

http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/31/technology/google/index.htm

Google leaders stick with $1 salary
According to the search engine's latest proxy filing, Eric Schmidt, Larry 
Page and Sergey Brin each turned down a raise.

By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com senior writer
March 31, 2006: 4:38 PM EST
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Google's co-founders and chief executive officer 
were offered a raise this year by the company's compensation committee, but 
the three turned it down and are sticking with their current annual salary 
of $1.


The search engine company made the disclosure in its proxy statement, which 
was filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. CEO Eric 
Schmidt and co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin first requested that 
their salary be cut to $1 in the second quarter of 2004, just before the 
company's initial public offering. Prior to that, Schmidt was making 
$250,000 a year while Page and Brin each earned a salary of $150,000.


In Friday's filing, Google (Research) said that due to our continued strong 
performance, the leadership by Eric, Sergey and Larry throughout the year, 
and below-market cash compensation levels, the Committee determined that an 
increase in cash compensation opportunities was merited, and we offered 
Eric, Sergey and Larry an increase in salary and bonus for 2006.


The company added that Schmidt, Page and Brin turned the offer down because 
their primary compensation continues to come from returns on their 
ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their personal 
wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation and 
performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder interests.


According to the filing, Schmidt owns about 12.45 million shares of Google, 
which are worth about $4.86 billion based on the company's most recent stock 
price. Brin owns about 31.6 million Google shares and Page owns a little 
more than 32 million shares. So their stakes are each worth more than $12 
billion based on current stock prices.




Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc






















- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Check with your CPA on that.
The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that your 
company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you avoid the 
sole proprietor tax schedule.
(It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual 
shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate 
shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation).




- Original Message - 
From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I think you are on the mark here... according to what I picked up through 
my Business Planning coursework, the IRS has fairly consistently applied a 
reasonableness test to the salary of a CEO who is also a majority 
shareholder.  But reasonable is a fairly broad term.  Zero would not be 
reasonable in any case, but $10,000 or more might meet the reasonableness 
standard for companies with limited revenues.  On the other hand, if your 
company is turning $1MM in sales, you better be paying your full time CEO 
substantially more than $10,000 because the IRS will see right through 
that ploy.  In addition, if you try to pay the CEO through an incentive 
program (dividends or stock options) in lieu of salary, the IRS will treat 
the capital-gains as real income and will tax the CEO at the higher 
personal rate.  You have to provide a balance of salary and other 
non-salary incentives in order to get the maximum tax advantage.


- Larry




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Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread Chad Halsted

do you have enough room to tape them dudes in place?

works well for me.

On 12/15/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I place my pigtails on a cookie sheet, stretched to the position I want
them to be in, then bake them at about 175F for 30-45 min.

Takes that shape memory right out of them.

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

Basically,  we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because
there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to
the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in
a bag...).




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- Original Message -
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails




T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax


in


the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.


Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to


me.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails




Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the
woods.  I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power.
They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because
snow
was predicted and already a little bit had fallen.   We got it there,


link


established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran


out


of
power.   The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we


were


dead.

The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of
snow
had fallen.   When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the
power
in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal.

We tried everything we  could think of, short of changing parts, because
we
didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get
through
the deep snow), no signal.

Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install


rig,


my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon
between
them and the main road.

Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no
signal.   Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts


changed


out, and standing there, on the ground...  I had a solid link.

Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide
some
light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna...
POOF, signal.

Put the original back on...  Poof, signal.  then, none.   Work  the
pigtail
around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof,
signal.

I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to
nothing.

T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax


in


the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.

I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and
put
it in place...  Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on...

Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold?   I


tried


two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think.  Neither
could
be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold...



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RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Brad Belton
Yep, works nicely.  We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable.
Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!

I believe the cable brand is Mohawk.  Good stuff.

Best,

Brad




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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

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Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread George Rogato
Short term solution , kinda costly though, is use jb weld while the 
piggy is plugged into the card on your work bench and the next day you 
will have a permanantly affixed pigtail on that card.


Im pretty positive the piggy won't be coming loose.

I did this to a couple of cm9's a year ago and no problems.



Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

Basically,  we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because
there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to
the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in
a bag...).




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- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails



T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax

in

the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.

Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to

me.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails



Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the
woods.  I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power.
They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because
snow
was predicted and already a little bit had fallen.   We got it there,

link

established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran

out

of
power.   The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we

were

dead.

The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of
snow
had fallen.   When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the
power
in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal.

We tried everything we  could think of, short of changing parts, because
we
didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get
through
the deep snow), no signal.

Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install

rig,

my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon
between
them and the main road.

Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no
signal.   Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts

changed

out, and standing there, on the ground...  I had a solid link.

Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide
some
light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna...
POOF, signal.

Put the original back on...  Poof, signal.  then, none.   Work  the
pigtail
around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof,
signal.

I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to
nothing.

T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax

in

the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.

I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and
put
it in place...  Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on...

Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold?   I

tried

two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think.  Neither
could
be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold...



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RE: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread Rick Harnish
I have used hotglue to keep the connectors in place.  I wish I could say it
gets done everytime, but I don't think it does.  It really isn't hard to get
the glue off of the board if you need to switch a card.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chad Halsted
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails

do you have enough room to tape them dudes in place?

works well for me.

On 12/15/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I place my pigtails on a cookie sheet, stretched to the position I want
 them to be in, then bake them at about 175F for 30-45 min.

 Takes that shape memory right out of them.

 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

 Basically,  we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because
 there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due
to
 the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up
in
 a bag...).
 
 
 
 
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Washington
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 - Original Message -
 From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails
 
 
 
 
 T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax
 
 
 in
 
 
 the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 /
WAR
 board combination.
 
 
 Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to
 
 
 me.
 
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails
 
 
 
 
 Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the
 woods.  I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power.
 They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because
 snow
 was predicted and already a little bit had fallen.   We got it there,
 
 
 link
 
 
 established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran
 
 
 out
 
 
 of
 power.   The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we
 
 
 were
 
 
 dead.
 
 The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of
 snow
 had fallen.   When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the
 power
 in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal.
 
 We tried everything we  could think of, short of changing parts,
because
 we
 didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get
 through
 the deep snow), no signal.
 
 Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install
 
 
 rig,
 
 
 my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon
 between
 them and the main road.
 
 Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no
 signal.   Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts
 
 
 changed
 
 
 out, and standing there, on the ground...  I had a solid link.
 
 Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide
 some
 light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna...
 POOF, signal.
 
 Put the original back on...  Poof, signal.  then, none.   Work  the
 pigtail
 around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof,
 signal.
 
 I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to
 nothing.
 
 T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax
 
 
 in
 
 
 the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 /
WAR
 board combination.
 
 I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use
and
 put
 it in place...  Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on...
 
 Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold?   I
 
 
 tried
 
 
 two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think.  Neither
 could
 be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold...
 
 
 
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 Washington
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RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread brian
Punch blocks, enclosures?  What did you do for that?

Brian


Yep, works nicely.  We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable.
Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!

I believe the cable brand is Mohawk.  Good stuff.

Best,

Brad




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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Yeah...66 blocks or 110?

Charles, if Brian doesn't want your cable, I may be interested...give him
dibs, though... ;)

Mark Nash
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To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5


 Punch blocks, enclosures?  What did you do for that?

 Brian


 Yep, works nicely.  We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable.
 Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!
 
 I believe the cable brand is Mohawk.  Good stuff.
 
 Best,
 
 Brad
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
 Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
 Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
 
 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor
 cat5?
 
 I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.
 You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
 and would only have run jumpers for new radios.
 
 Brian
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RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Brad Belton
Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures.  Works well.

I've attached a snapshot.

Best,


Brad




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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Punch blocks, enclosures?  What did you do for that?

Brian


Yep, works nicely.  We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable.
Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!

I believe the cable brand is Mohawk.  Good stuff.

Best,

Brad




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

What sources are you using to piece this kit together?

Brian

Mike Delp wrote:


We just deployed on two water towers, and ran 25 pair cables on both.  We
have 8 port patch panels (from Skywalker) and a total of 14 cables on one
tower.  We have deployed AP's and backhauls to almost fill up the boxes.  It
works great.

Mike

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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?


I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom

and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
 


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Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread Sam Tetherow

Ditto on the hot glue.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Rick Harnish wrote:

I have used hotglue to keep the connectors in place.  I wish I could say it
gets done everytime, but I don't think it does.  It really isn't hard to get
the glue off of the board if you need to switch a card.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA
  


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Re: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-15 Thread Peter R.

Google is a C Corp, not an LLC or an S Corp.
Big difference.

Frank Muto wrote:


http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/31/technology/google/index.htm

Google leaders stick with $1 salary
According to the search engine's latest proxy filing, Eric Schmidt, 
Larry Page and Sergey Brin each turned down a raise.

By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com senior writer
March 31, 2006: 4:38 PM EST
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Google's co-founders and chief executive 
officer were offered a raise this year by the company's compensation 
committee, but the three turned it down and are sticking with their 
current annual salary of $1.


The search engine company made the disclosure in its proxy statement, 
which was filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. 
CEO Eric Schmidt and co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin first 
requested that their salary be cut to $1 in the second quarter of 
2004, just before the company's initial public offering. Prior to 
that, Schmidt was making $250,000 a year while Page and Brin each 
earned a salary of $150,000.


In Friday's filing, Google (Research) said that due to our continued 
strong performance, the leadership by Eric, Sergey and Larry 
throughout the year, and below-market cash compensation levels, the 
Committee determined that an increase in cash compensation 
opportunities was merited, and we offered Eric, Sergey and Larry an 
increase in salary and bonus for 2006.


The company added that Schmidt, Page and Brin turned the offer down 
because their primary compensation continues to come from returns on 
their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their 
personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation 
and performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder 
interests.


According to the filing, Schmidt owns about 12.45 million shares of 
Google, which are worth about $4.86 billion based on the company's 
most recent stock price. Brin owns about 31.6 million Google shares 
and Page owns a little more than 32 million shares. So their stakes 
are each worth more than $12 billion based on current stock prices.




Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc


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Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists

Can't get the attachment on the list... Offlist, maybe?  URL, maybe?

Thanks!

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
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541-998-
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From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5



Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures.  Works well.

I've attached a snapshot.

Best,


Brad




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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Punch blocks, enclosures?  What did you do for that?

Brian



Yep, works nicely.  We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable.
Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!

I believe the cable brand is Mohawk.  Good stuff.

Best,

Brad




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] Need opinion

2006-12-15 Thread Chad Halsted

StarOS has the ability to run a VDS tunnel from any two StarOS V3
devices.  That will enable you to run a 128 or 256 bit AES encrypted
tunnel.  If memory serves me correctly, Lonnie is able to get 15mbps
or more out of that type of setup?

If you're worried about interference, try x2 or x4 cloaking on the 5GHz bands.

I'm getting ready to install a dedicated T1 replacement, the customer
was worried about security.  The ability to encrypt with AES won them
over.

I should have said 3 WAR boards, not RADIOS, sorry about the
confusion.  The amount of radios you use is up to you, but you would
want atleast 4 radio cards for what you're trying to do.


On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ok, following your recomendations in order to set up the link without
using more than 3 radios what you recommend its to use th WAR from
Staros i have a wireless repeaters using cisco so the extra radios for
customers are not necesary (sorry my english) if i use this

NOC war with one antenna and radio at 5.8GHz to connect with the middle
POP war dual 2 radios 2 antennas at 5.8GHz and finally the customer POP war
and what about security the guy ask me to doit secure meaning not easy
for the folks. (he knows total security its an utopia a Guajiro dream!!)

Lonnie Nunweiler escribió:
 My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP.  Use a
 5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a
 2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local
 customers.  The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to
 install, and an extra radio and 15 dB omni is cheap.  Even a couple of
 subscribers will make it pay.

 At the middle repeater I would use a dual WAR with 5 GHz radios to
 point to main and the remote end.  If you want some local service at
 that repeater then use a 4 port WAR and throw a 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz
 card in it or both 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz.  Your choice.

 The remote end is a copy of the main end with a dual WAR and 5 GHz
 input and a 2.4 GHz to an omni for local use.

 This arrangement will get you 20 to 30 mbps of sustained throughput as
 long as the middle repeater is no farther than 30 miles from either
 end.  You'll also have a couple of revenue generating AP units at each
 end and potentially the middle.

 Lonnie

 On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good
 choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to
 play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so
 im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to
 learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list.

 Mario Pommier escribió:
  Carlos,
 that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate:
 
 Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment
  will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each.
 Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a
  finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more
  with the tools and toys out there?
 The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you
  deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished
  products?
 Hope that helps some.
 
  Mario
 
  Carlos A. Garcia G wrote:
 
  Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many
  equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do
  something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is
  that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios
 
  1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300
 
  and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in
  5.8 and can be used as:
 
LMG22--LMG22--LMG22
 
  im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont
  get the answer that im looking for.
  Mike Brownson escribió:
 
  Carlos,
 
  It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need.  There is
  some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk
  over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance
  is not too long.  Other option is to put another repeater in
  between.  But that means another radio site.  If you want to send me
  latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link
  will work.
 
  Mike B
 
  Carlos A. Garcia G wrote:
 
  Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my
  ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment
  or vendors do i have to contact: look!
 
  NOC -- POP -- OFFICE
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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[WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!!

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Wind storms came through last night.  Power out at 6 sites this morning,
various power companies.  Started at 6 this morning...Put in 2 generators,
purchased 8 marine batteries and patched them into my APC UPS units.  2
sites now still running on batteries, 2 on generators.  Will be a late night
I think...

George, I would imagine you guys had it worse out there on the coast...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
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Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread Erik Jansson
Hate those things, don't know why anyone uses them.  I'm up here in the 
great white north (Canada) and we can on ocations see temps as low as 
-40.  I try and avoid the ufl;s but when I have to use them we always 
glue them down to the board to prevent them from coming off,  I don't 
trust them at all.


Erik

Tom DeReggi wrote:
T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker 
coax in

the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.


Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem 
to me.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails



Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the
woods.  I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power.
They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it 
because snow
was predicted and already a little bit had fallen.   We got it there, 
link
established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran 
out of
power.   The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we 
were

dead.

The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit 
of snow
had fallen.   When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the 
power

in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal.

We tried everything we  could think of, short of changing parts, 
because we
didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get 
through

the deep snow), no signal.

Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install 
rig,
my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon 
between

them and the main road.

Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no
signal.   Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts 
changed

out, and standing there, on the ground...  I had a solid link.

Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone 
provide some

light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna...
POOF, signal.

Put the original back on...  Poof, signal.  then, none.   Work  the 
pigtail
around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, 
signal.


I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to
nothing.

T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker 
coax in

the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR
board combination.

I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use 
and put

it in place...  Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on...

Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold?   I 
tried
two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think.  
Neither could

be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold...



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RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread Brad Belton
How many feet do you have?

Brad

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I've got a roll of it I'll give you REAL cheap (it's been sitting in the
warehouse for over a year now)

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Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5


Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson

Google is a PUBLICLY TRADED C Corp... even a bigger difference. :)

Travis


Peter R. wrote:

Google is a C Corp, not an LLC or an S Corp.
Big difference.

Frank Muto wrote:


http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/31/technology/google/index.htm

Google leaders stick with $1 salary
According to the search engine's latest proxy filing, Eric Schmidt, 
Larry Page and Sergey Brin each turned down a raise.

By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com senior writer
March 31, 2006: 4:38 PM EST
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Google's co-founders and chief executive 
officer were offered a raise this year by the company's compensation 
committee, but the three turned it down and are sticking with their 
current annual salary of $1.


The search engine company made the disclosure in its proxy statement, 
which was filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. 
CEO Eric Schmidt and co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin first 
requested that their salary be cut to $1 in the second quarter of 
2004, just before the company's initial public offering. Prior to 
that, Schmidt was making $250,000 a year while Page and Brin each 
earned a salary of $150,000.


In Friday's filing, Google (Research) said that due to our continued 
strong performance, the leadership by Eric, Sergey and Larry 
throughout the year, and below-market cash compensation levels, the 
Committee determined that an increase in cash compensation 
opportunities was merited, and we offered Eric, Sergey and Larry an 
increase in salary and bonus for 2006.


The company added that Schmidt, Page and Brin turned the offer down 
because their primary compensation continues to come from returns on 
their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their 
personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price 
appreciation and performance, which provides direct alignment with 
stockholder interests.


According to the filing, Schmidt owns about 12.45 million shares of 
Google, which are worth about $4.86 billion based on the company's 
most recent stock price. Brin owns about 31.6 million Google shares 
and Page owns a little more than 32 million shares. So their stakes 
are each worth more than $12 billion based on current stock prices.




Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc



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Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help

2006-12-15 Thread rabbtux rabbtux

How would one go about implementing Marlon's idea in MT?  Just started
using it and any tips are appreciated.  - Marshall

On 12/14/06, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

customer's location via speakeasy!  grin Maybe I'll see if Butch
can come up with something that will choke people back after 10
minutes of anything over say, 2 megs, then slow them down down down
till they stop using the net for an hour or two.  Wonder how hard
it would be to set up the MT boxes to do that?

Not too hard for TCP for sure...For other protocols, it can probably
be accomplished, but I've never tried that.

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Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails

2006-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

We use a standard hot glue gun... then you can get it back off if you 
have to, but it holds until then. :)


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:
Short term solution , kinda costly though, is use jb weld while the 
piggy is plugged into the card on your work bench and the next day you 
will have a permanantly affixed pigtail on that card.


Im pretty positive the piggy won't be coming loose.

I did this to a couple of cm9's a year ago and no problems.



Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Basically,  we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, 
because
there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed 
due to
the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled 
up in

a bag...).




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- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails


T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker 
coax

in
the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 
/ WAR

board combination.

Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to

me.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails


Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in 
the
woods.  I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and 
power.

They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because
snow
was predicted and already a little bit had fallen.   We got it there,

link

established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran

out

of
power.   The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we

were

dead.

The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of
snow
had fallen.   When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the
power
in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal.

We tried everything we  could think of, short of changing parts, 
because

we
didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get
through
the deep snow), no signal.

Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install

rig,

my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon
between
them and the main road.

Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no
signal.   Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts

changed

out, and standing there, on the ground...  I had a solid link.

Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone 
provide

some
light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the 
anntenna...

POOF, signal.

Put the original back on...  Poof, signal.  then, none.   Work  the
pigtail
around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof,
signal.

I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to
nothing.

T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker 
coax

in
the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 
/ WAR

board combination.

I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz 
use and

put
it in place...  Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on...

Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold?   I

tried

two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think.  Neither
could
be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold...



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Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help

2006-12-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

And how would I do that?

Last I knew, Postini wanted to get paid too.

grin

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Marlon,
   You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being 
charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage.

   And, yeah, people do like.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

We don't put everyone on Postini.  We charge those that want the 
filtering $1 per month.  Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high 
to just include automatically.  Instead, we make money on spam.  I'd 
say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take 
Postini.


We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini.  No one 
wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-).


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help


If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini 
system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially.




Frank Muto
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
Postini Partner Reseller
http://wispa.spam-virus.com







- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
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I want to keep billing per bit.  It's, by far, the most effective 
way to compete against cable and dsl.  It's also a good way to push 
the hogs over to competing services.  Our average user is running at 
about 1.7 gigs per month.  This includes all of my servers and the 
mail server alone hit 50 gigs last month.  So I'll bet that the 
average user is actually under 1.5 gigs per month.



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Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-15 Thread John Scrivner
If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate 
on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in 
the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone 
else confirm or deny?

Scriv


Brad Belton wrote:


Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures.  Works well.

I've attached a snapshot.

Best,


Brad




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Punch blocks, enclosures?  What did you do for that?

Brian


 


Yep, works nicely.  We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable.
Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!

I believe the cable brand is Mohawk.  Good stuff.

Best,

Brad




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Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor 
cat5?


I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments.  
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom

and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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