Re: [WISPA] strange mt issue

2007-02-24 Thread rabbtux rabbtux

Reminds me of what happened when I took the backup file from a
routerboard and tried to restore it on a new X86 board(WRAP).  It did
something very similar, and rendered my CF inoperable! (there goes my
$40!).

On 2/23/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi All,

OK, this is really strange.

Picked up a new MT ide drive card and 4 port nic card to use as a backup
router.

Put the unit in the pc and it stops at loading E.

OK, bad unit.

Took it back to Spokane and Bob K. put that unit into a machine he'd been
working on.  Even worse problem for him.  Hm.

So in goes another chip to make sure that it's not a puter problem.  THAT
one now won't work either.  It had been one he'd already been using.

Use a new machine, load up a new ide chip for me.  I saw him do it.

Take that one home, put it in the pc, same thing!  Loading E.

Put it into another machine, won't work there either.

Hook up a hard drive to the port, that won't boot.

4 machines and 4 hard drives later i still don't have a config that works!
Put that ide chip in any pc and it kills the ide port.

What the $%# over?  Anyone seen anything like this before?

Bob tells me that nothing he puts in the machine that worked before I got
there will work now either.

Could that first machine of mine had some kind of bios virus that has now
spread to all other boxes?

The machine was my old mail server, a working pull used up till a few months
ago.

The next machine was my old mt router, a working pull sitting on the shelf
for over a year (it had flaked out so I replaced the whole thing and tossed
the chip).

The next machine was my old web server (all three the same hardware bought
at the same time as i recall).

The last machine was an old windows server or something.  Don't ever
remember for sure.  It has two scsi drives in it, that's the only thing
that'll still boot.  But only to the two scsi drives, nothing ide.

Ideas
thanks,
marlon

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RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

2007-02-24 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Done too!



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Behalf Of Don Renner
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

NetsurfUSA filled  - 2007223533293 -

Don 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

I filed: **2007223902414**

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or 
 so!!

 Why, in the name of God, would the FCC give a rats behind about our 
 industry if we can't be bothered to talk to them?

 Listen, the new rules get made according to the WRITTEN record!  Our 
 trips to the FCC are great and we both learn a lot, but when it comes 
 time to make regulations they go to the paperwork that's been
filed!

 EVERYONE here needs to file personally.  Here's my confirmation
 :'2007223682035

 Just go to this link:
 http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

 Put 04-186 in the top left box and follow the instructions to voice 
 your opinions on what the FCC should do with the soon to be opened up 
 tv bands!  All you have to do is till them to make the bands 
 unlicensed, no auctions, no registration etc.  Say more if you want, 
 but we really need to drive home the unlicensed idea.

 Get off your hind ends guys!
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)And I run my own
wisp!
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




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RE: [WISPA] strange mt issue

2007-02-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
The machine might not be able to identify the card right, and screws it up
upon access it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] strange mt issue

Hi All,

OK, this is really strange.

Picked up a new MT ide drive card and 4 port nic card to use as a backup 
router.

Put the unit in the pc and it stops at loading E.

OK, bad unit.

Took it back to Spokane and Bob K. put that unit into a machine he'd been 
working on.  Even worse problem for him.  Hm.

So in goes another chip to make sure that it's not a puter problem.  THAT 
one now won't work either.  It had been one he'd already been using.

Use a new machine, load up a new ide chip for me.  I saw him do it.

Take that one home, put it in the pc, same thing!  Loading E.

Put it into another machine, won't work there either.

Hook up a hard drive to the port, that won't boot.

4 machines and 4 hard drives later i still don't have a config that works! 
Put that ide chip in any pc and it kills the ide port.

What the $%# over?  Anyone seen anything like this before?

Bob tells me that nothing he puts in the machine that worked before I got 
there will work now either.

Could that first machine of mine had some kind of bios virus that has now 
spread to all other boxes?

The machine was my old mail server, a working pull used up till a few months

ago.

The next machine was my old mt router, a working pull sitting on the shelf 
for over a year (it had flaked out so I replaced the whole thing and tossed 
the chip).

The next machine was my old web server (all three the same hardware bought 
at the same time as i recall).

The last machine was an old windows server or something.  Don't ever 
remember for sure.  It has two scsi drives in it, that's the only thing 
that'll still boot.  But only to the two scsi drives, nothing ide.

Ideas
thanks,
marlon

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[WISPA] Good Job WISPA!

2007-02-24 Thread V Proffer
Just saw this article on www.dslreports.com

 

http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/politics/2007/tv_whitespace_spectru
m_action.html

 

Good job WISPA and Marlon! J

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] strange mt issue

2007-02-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
But why would that mess up the card?  Especially when the machine had been 
used as an mt router before?


And why would it then also be unable to work with any other drives 
installed?


marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] strange mt issue



The machine might not be able to identify the card right, and screws it up
upon access it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] strange mt issue

Hi All,

OK, this is really strange.

Picked up a new MT ide drive card and 4 port nic card to use as a backup
router.

Put the unit in the pc and it stops at loading E.

OK, bad unit.

Took it back to Spokane and Bob K. put that unit into a machine he'd been
working on.  Even worse problem for him.  Hm.

So in goes another chip to make sure that it's not a puter problem.  THAT
one now won't work either.  It had been one he'd already been using.

Use a new machine, load up a new ide chip for me.  I saw him do it.

Take that one home, put it in the pc, same thing!  Loading E.

Put it into another machine, won't work there either.

Hook up a hard drive to the port, that won't boot.

4 machines and 4 hard drives later i still don't have a config that works!
Put that ide chip in any pc and it kills the ide port.

What the $%# over?  Anyone seen anything like this before?

Bob tells me that nothing he puts in the machine that worked before I got
there will work now either.

Could that first machine of mine had some kind of bios virus that has now
spread to all other boxes?

The machine was my old mail server, a working pull used up till a few 
months


ago.

The next machine was my old mt router, a working pull sitting on the shelf
for over a year (it had flaked out so I replaced the whole thing and 
tossed

the chip).

The next machine was my old web server (all three the same hardware bought
at the same time as i recall).

The last machine was an old windows server or something.  Don't ever
remember for sure.  It has two scsi drives in it, that's the only thing
that'll still boot.  But only to the two scsi drives, nothing ide.

Ideas
thanks,
marlon

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Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

2007-02-24 Thread Martha Huizenga

I have filed too!

Martha Huizenga
DC Access

Cliff Leboeuf wrote:


Done too!



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Renner
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

NetsurfUSA filled  - 2007223533293 -

Don 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

I filed: **2007223902414**

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 

Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or 
so!!


Why, in the name of God, would the FCC give a rats behind about our 
industry if we can't be bothered to talk to them?


Listen, the new rules get made according to the WRITTEN record!  Our 
trips to the FCC are great and we both learn a lot, but when it comes 
time to make regulations they go to the paperwork that's been
   


filed!
 


EVERYONE here needs to file personally.  Here's my confirmation
:'2007223682035

Just go to this link:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Put 04-186 in the top left box and follow the instructions to voice 
your opinions on what the FCC should do with the soon to be opened up 
tv bands!  All you have to do is till them to make the bands 
unlicensed, no auctions, no registration etc.  Say more if you want, 
but we really need to drive home the unlicensed idea.


Get off your hind ends guys!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own
   


wisp!
 


[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

2007-02-24 Thread Mark McElvy
I filed, 2007224308481

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573.729.9203 - Fax
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Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:20 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or
so!!

Why, in the name of God, would the FCC give a rats behind about our
industry 
if we can't be bothered to talk to them?

Listen, the new rules get made according to the WRITTEN record!  Our
trips 
to the FCC are great and we both learn a lot, but when it comes time to
make 
regulations they go to the paperwork that's been filed!

EVERYONE here needs to file personally.  Here's my confirmation 
:'2007223682035

Just go to this link:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Put 04-186 in the top left box and follow the instructions to voice your

opinions on what the FCC should do with the soon to be opened up tv 
bands!  All you have to do is till them to make the bands
unlicensed, no 
auctions, no registration etc.  Say more if you want, but we really need
to 
drive home the unlicensed idea.

Get off your hind ends guys!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



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[WISPA] Is it enough ?

2007-02-24 Thread Rick Smith
Other  people in 04-186 are posting fully written positions.

Other WISPs are just filing I agree with WISPA... comments.

I don't think that's enough!  I think, AT THE WORST, that you should cut and
paste WISPA's filing if that's what you agree with.

At the LEAST fully state your position!

We look like easily corralled cows following the leader into the corner.

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RE: [WISPA] strange mt issue

2007-02-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
The example I am thinking of is back when they had loaders for HDs bigger
than whatever size it was.  Basically, the bios is INCORRECTLY identifying
the sectors, etc, on the drive, and sure it works to start, but after it
gets so far and the sectors or something is messed up, it basically trashes
the data on the drive, cause it don't know how to read and write correctly.


Just a hunch, maybe something like LBA mode, or something.  Try to get the
specs for the IDE drive, i.e. sectors, and all the other data, and put that
in manually, see if it will pull up then.

Dennis


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange mt issue

But why would that mess up the card?  Especially when the machine had been 
used as an mt router before?

And why would it then also be unable to work with any other drives 
installed?

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] strange mt issue


 The machine might not be able to identify the card right, and screws it up
 upon access it.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] strange mt issue

 Hi All,

 OK, this is really strange.

 Picked up a new MT ide drive card and 4 port nic card to use as a backup
 router.

 Put the unit in the pc and it stops at loading E.

 OK, bad unit.

 Took it back to Spokane and Bob K. put that unit into a machine he'd been
 working on.  Even worse problem for him.  Hm.

 So in goes another chip to make sure that it's not a puter problem.  THAT
 one now won't work either.  It had been one he'd already been using.

 Use a new machine, load up a new ide chip for me.  I saw him do it.

 Take that one home, put it in the pc, same thing!  Loading E.

 Put it into another machine, won't work there either.

 Hook up a hard drive to the port, that won't boot.

 4 machines and 4 hard drives later i still don't have a config that works!
 Put that ide chip in any pc and it kills the ide port.

 What the $%# over?  Anyone seen anything like this before?

 Bob tells me that nothing he puts in the machine that worked before I got
 there will work now either.

 Could that first machine of mine had some kind of bios virus that has now
 spread to all other boxes?

 The machine was my old mail server, a working pull used up till a few 
 months

 ago.

 The next machine was my old mt router, a working pull sitting on the shelf
 for over a year (it had flaked out so I replaced the whole thing and 
 tossed
 the chip).

 The next machine was my old web server (all three the same hardware bought
 at the same time as i recall).

 The last machine was an old windows server or something.  Don't ever
 remember for sure.  It has two scsi drives in it, that's the only thing
 that'll still boot.  But only to the two scsi drives, nothing ide.

 Ideas
 thanks,
 marlon

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Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

2007-02-24 Thread Dylan Oliver

It might also do to review and propose compromises for the very valid
concerns raised by other organizations. I'm still working on my comments. I
can imagine the FCC rolling their eyes when they see another me too
response from WISPs as they try to figure out how geolocation databases vs
sensor networks are supposed to prevent CPE mounted 10m AGL (?) from walking
all over very low-powered remote mics.

The job of a trade organization is to represent its members. The FCC can
safely assume that WISPA members agree with WISPA's position. This is not a
simple popularity contest.

Best,
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Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

2007-02-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
The cut and paste is ok, but that's just more junk for people to read.  The 
FCC has told me that the association needs to file, but that should also be 
backed up with individual filings.  Even if it's just to say that you agree.


What I wish is that more people knew the issue better so that they could 
file on their own in their own words.


laters,
marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] Is it enough ?



Other  people in 04-186 are posting fully written positions.

Other WISPs are just filing I agree with WISPA... comments.

I don't think that's enough!  I think, AT THE WORST, that you should cut 
and

paste WISPA's filing if that's what you agree with.

At the LEAST fully state your position!

We look like easily corralled cows following the leader into the corner.

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Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

2007-02-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
I think if you want to add more comments or supporting info to the WISPA 
statement I think it would be good, like a hand written letter to your 
congressman.  But I don't see anything wrong with every WISPA member 
submitting a statement that they are in support of the official WISPA 
statement.  The FCC has no idea how many WISPA members there are and I 
don't think it should be implied that every WISPA member supports every 
WISPA statement.


And a public thank you to Marlon for riding herd on this issue and 
making it easier for schmucks like me to be heard at the FCC.  Seems 
like I barely have the time to keep things running, let alone try and 
tackle comments on every FCC proposal.


Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Dylan Oliver wrote:

It might also do to review and propose compromises for the very valid
concerns raised by other organizations. I'm still working on my 
comments. I

can imagine the FCC rolling their eyes when they see another me too
response from WISPs as they try to figure out how geolocation 
databases vs
sensor networks are supposed to prevent CPE mounted 10m AGL (?) from 
walking

all over very low-powered remote mics.

The job of a trade organization is to represent its members. The FCC can
safely assume that WISPA members agree with WISPA's position. This is 
not a

simple popularity contest.

Best,


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