Re: [WISPA] Makes you feel a bit... errrr.... what's the word?

2007-03-01 Thread wispa
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:30:10 -0800, Jack Unger wrote Mark, I agree completely with your closing sentiment that Everything we do should be aimed at providing ourselves protection from being wiped out due to pressure from Congress or the Big Boys. I don't however understand your beef with

Re: [WISPA] Free advertizing

2007-03-01 Thread wispa
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:57:15 -0800, George Rogato wrote I LIKE it :) I've gotten a bunch... well, HECK, every last customer is from word of mouth and lately we're growing as fast as we can fund it. Not really fast enough, though. I plan on some serious marketing come the end of this school

Re: Fw: [WISPA] Final Form 477 Consideration

2007-03-01 Thread wispa
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:43:12 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote Hi All, Forbes asked a good question. I didn't know the answer so I shot his note off to the FCC's 477 director. Here's the entire conversation: - Original Message - From: Ellen Burton To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL

[WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Rick Harnish
Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP

Re: [WISPA] Makes you feel a bit... errrr.... what's the word?

2007-03-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Jack, I guess I sorta dropped the ball here. I just assumed you'd read the same thing between the lines I did. The sway-ability of the FCC with just ONE letter from ONE Senator is very disconcerting. Great point. All wisps need to write to their senator and tell them what wisps need.

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread George Rogato
Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take

Re: [WISPA] Makes you feel a bit... errrr.... what's the word?

2007-03-01 Thread Peter R.
Mark, Since you seem to watch what happens in DC and dislike it, have you managed to pick up on the fact that the small guy usually does not have any sway in DC? How does a group whose very existence depends on the benevolence of the FCC tell the FCC off? DC is about give a lot, get a

Re: [WISPA] Makes you feel a bit... errrr.... what's the word?

2007-03-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
I don't have any issues with the way DC works, but I disagree with the statement that it is not possible to lobby for Regulate them, not Me. It already exists today, with the Small Business Set Aside or 8A programs being a perfect example. Minority or Disadvantaged companies get special

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Mac Dearman
Someone give me a hand here please. I have a contract to deliver 10Mbps dedicated bandwidth to a hospital as well as building them a leased wireless network for the hospital to 6 off site buildings. All of these buildings (but 1) are with in rock throwing distance of the Hospital. I am looking

Re: [WISPA] Free advertizing

2007-03-01 Thread Mark Nash
I got a smile out of that one. The thing is that this kind of talk happens CONSTANTLY...We just don't know WHERE. If your service (bandwidth, billing, lack of/response to outages) is good, this conversation happens about your company at least weekly if not daily. Mark Nash Network Engineer

Re: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread John Scrivner
Mac, You need to talk to Mike Cowan at Wireless Connections. He can help you with many aspects of this and includes his pre-sales engineering as part of doing business. I highly recommend talking to him. We use him for all of our pre-sales engineering and support. Obviously we buy our Alvarion

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Mac Dearman
Thanks John! I will call him now and tell him you shipped me that direction. WELCOME BACK COTTER! ( Scriv) Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Makes you feel a bit... errrr.... what's the word?

2007-03-01 Thread Peter R.
Tom DeReggi wrote: I don't have any issues with the way DC works, but I disagree with the statement that it is not possible to lobby for Regulate them, not Me. You can disagree all you want, but history in telecom since 1996 proves that this strategy doesn't work. There was a CompTel

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Patrick Leary
Mac, I understand you spoke to Les today. Made me smile for sure. Thanks also for sharing the story about Michael Eck helping during Karina. He is a humble guy and I've never heard him mention it. The BreezeACCESS VL can certainly do what you want there. An AU, especially at those ranges should

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I am sure Patrick would be the appropriate person to provide you with the details. However, if it helps, the quick short answer to your questions is YES,.You could put the AP on the Hospital, and feed it with a SU on your tower. Not the normal way to set this up, but technically possible.

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Remember that the 30 mbps are hdx, if you are selling 10 mbps dedicated, the customer might expect 10 fdx, so that consumes 20 mbps or so of your ap data rate. Leaving just 10 Mbps for the other subscribers wich are connected to tha same AU, so those 10 mbps become actually 5 or less Gino

RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2007-03-01 Thread paul hendry
Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those sets are

RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Forbes Mercy
I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of

Re: [WISPA] Free advertizing

2007-03-01 Thread George Rogato
I think your right. I know I work hard and spend a lot of money trying to get the good word out there. It sure beats having a customer call up saying wireless sucks. George Mark Nash wrote: I got a smile out of that one. The thing is that this kind of talk happens CONSTANTLY...We just

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread George Rogato
Forbes Mercy wrote: I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
He ain't lying. I just filled out my first ever 477 and it took exactly 10 minutes. I filled in like 15 fields and hit send. I might have don't it wrong but oh well. At least I did it. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today.

[WISPA] Some opinions

2007-03-01 Thread Carlos A. Garcia G
Hi i have 2 offices that i have to connect to do this i nedd to use the 3 points between them Office1-- P1--P2--P3--Office2 do any of you know what equipments can connect without using too many products for example to do that with cisco 1300 wireless bridges i need to use 8 radios and i want

Re: [WISPA] Some opinions

2007-03-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: do any of you know what equipments can connect without using too many products for example to do that with cisco 1300 wireless bridges i need to use 8 radios and i want to use 5 Office-- -P1--P2--P3- --Office2 There are a few of these types of

Re: [WISPA] Some opinions

2007-03-01 Thread Carlos A. Garcia G
jejeje only need 64k link so the bandwidth will not be the problem Butch Evans escribió: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: do any of you know what equipments can connect without using too many products for example to do that with cisco 1300 wireless bridges i need to use 8 radios

RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Forbes Mercy
17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything.  I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477.

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
The time is not filling out the form, its compiling the data to put into it :-) That took me two hours. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Mac Dearman
BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Mario Pommier
Guys, It's pretty late for this in EST but for those in the West coast: Page 14 of the Instructions for the Signed statement form Page 11 of the same doc for the instructions on where to send and how. Go here for it, though I suppose everyone already has it:

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Oh well, better I did something than nothing like the last time. Brian Mac Dearman wrote: BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday,

signal levels Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
As long as we're in a mood today. Have you gotten those signal levels for me yet? And I need my radio back for an install booked for tomorrow. I'm totally out of long and short range kits again! 6 or 7 installs on the books for the next two days! Hhhlll lol marlon - Original

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Oh well, better I did something than nothing like

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Mac Dearman
Patrick, Thanks for that info - I appreciate it much. What I am trying to accomplish is (kill a bunch of birds with one stone) connect these 5 remote locations via wireless to the hospital (AU located here) and then use the 6th SU on my tower (1 mile LOS) to provide 10mbps of dedicated

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Mac Dearman
Gino, I think the AU is 54mbps hdx Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP Remember that the 30 mbps are hdx,

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Patrick Leary
I see no challenge to this whatsoever Mac. My main question would simply be where the locations are relative to the base station sector. Think of the base station being in the center of a clock, are the locations of tower and the 5 remotes within the same 3 hours (90 degrees) or 4 hours (120

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread David E. Smith
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet.

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Mac Dearman
I thought it was pretty cool - - that you get a choice of 90* or 120* sector with the AU! Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA]

RE: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread Patrick Leary
And you could use a 60 or even an omni (but only should rarely and appropriately). Our Web site provides a full list of FCC-certified third party antenna combinations showing the brand and part number of the brand (these are sourced not from us). Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o:

Re: [WISPA] Some opinions

2007-03-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: jejeje only need 64k link so the bandwidth will not be the problem In that case, I'd just use a simple WDS setup. It's the easiest/cheapest thing to do. Just be sure that the APs are secured (to prevent unauthorized access to the network from

RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Forbes Mercy
Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a

Re: [WISPA] Some opinions

2007-03-01 Thread Carlos A. Garcia G
do u think that this can be done with cisco 1400 wireless bridge someone has used this one? Butch Evans escribió: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: jejeje only need 64k link so the bandwidth will not be the problem In that case, I'd just use a simple WDS setup. It's the

Re: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread George Rogato
One thing I am wondering about, and it's not an Alvarion specific question or concern is, isn't it true that when you use a subscriber unit as your backhaul on a PtMP set up like you are suggesting, that the through put is halved or somewhat diminished? Thought this was a long standing rule

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Matt Liotta
I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. -Matt Forbes Mercy wrote: Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread David E. Smith
Matt Liotta wrote: I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. Microsoft Office, while not necessarily the best software, is a /de facto/ standard, and keeping a copy around is, I'd

Re: [WISPA] ALVARION VL 4.0 AP

2007-03-01 Thread George Rogato
Right. Wonder if he realizes the hit he will take doing it this way. George Gino Villarini wrote: Exactly my point Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

[WISPA] Some unlicensed history....

2007-03-01 Thread wispa
In the early 90's the FCC set about to create additional unlicensed and licensed spectrum. This was specifically for PCS, or personal communications services. UTAM was created and tasked with the job of migrating what was then a large network of terrestrial microwave networks to other

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread wispa
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:37:53 -0500, Matt Liotta wrote I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. I complained to the list at the first filing date, which got me a revised .xls which

Re: [WISPA] Some opinions

2007-03-01 Thread John J. Thomas
Carlos, if you put Cisco AP1242's in Nema boxes, you can alternate 2.4 and 5.8 GHz, thus using only 5 radios. John -Original Message- From: Carlos A. Garcia G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 11:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Some opinions Hi i

Re: [WISPA] Some opinions

2007-03-01 Thread John J. Thomas
1400's are way too expensive to even consider for this. John -Original Message- From: Carlos A. Garcia G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 05:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some opinions do u think that this can be done with cisco 1400 wireless

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
H They've never told me that. And I've had a note a few times telling me that I messed it up. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....

2007-03-01 Thread Rich Comroe
Some wireless business phone systems have been built, but it is all but impossible to find, if you search for u-pcs specific products. Search for a different name: PHS. It was fascinating to walk the streets of Tokyo and see crowded areas where hundreds of people would be talking on their

Re: [WISPA] Some unlicensed history....

2007-03-01 Thread John Scrivner
Brilliant - standards building as a means of disabling US access to technology innovation. Wow. I certainly hope you have vision enough to see and thwart this type of activity in the future. I have heard you have the intellectual knowledge to do so. Please let us know when to cry foul in the