Re: [WISPA] Some opinions
I will send you guys the image Dave Brenton escribió: Carlos, 3 Questions: 1) How far apart are office 1 and office 2? 2) Can you see from one to the other? 3) Do you NEED to provide bandwidth to P1 P2 and P3? Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914 office (931) 627-1142 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 13:40 Subject: [WISPA] Some opinions Hi i have 2 offices that i have to connect to do this i nedd to use the 3 points between them Office1-- P1--P2--P3--Office2 do any of you know what equipments can connect without using too many products for example to do that with cisco 1300 wireless bridges i need to use 8 radios and i want to use 5 Office-- -P1--P2--P3- --Office2 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some opinions
Are you the guy to see about Internet down there? If my passport gets here in time I'll be there after the 15th and will need Internet. Lonnie On 3/2/07, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks i 'll check this info, best regards, if you guyst ever come to cabo san lucas mexico, i'll be your guide John J. Thomas escribió: Carlos, if you put Cisco AP1242's in Nema boxes, you can alternate 2.4 and 5.8 GHz, thus using only 5 radios. John -Original Message- From: Carlos A. Garcia G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 11:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Some opinions Hi i have 2 offices that i have to connect to do this i nedd to use the 3 points between them Office1-- P1--P2--P3--Office2 do any of you know what equipments can connect without using too many products for example to do that with cisco 1300 wireless bridges i need to use 8 radios and i want to use 5 Office-- -P1--P2--P3- --Office2 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Is anyone thinking about 17 and 60 ghz?
Bridgewave 60Ghz works excellently! Very nice stuff. Full Gbps full duplex speeds. Few computers or laptops, if any at all, can reach those speeds. Our sysadmin figured a way to test capacity with Cisco switches on both ends by flooding the link. Expensive. Yes. I only see it possible to be deployed in 100%-paid-for PtP projects: medical, government, industrial -- anyway it won't go more than ~700meters, the drier the area the better. If I understood correctly, the US Gov bans US 60Ghz manufacturers from exporting their gear outside the US because when the US military goes somewhere they can't find 60Ghz links -- that's how secure it is: very narrow beamwidths (~1*) and complete signal fade after about 1mile. If you don't know the link is there (or you can't see the antennas) it's practically impossible to find the stuff. Whereas for licensed 70 and 80Ghz all you need to do is look in the FCC website to know who deployed what-where-when and how. Regarding deployment: you need TOTAL LOS. Even branches blowing in and out of the path will drop the link. Mario Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mark, I think 60 Ghz is a good solution if you can afford it. At this point it is still not in the price range of the average WISP but it is great stuff. I think Matt Liotta had a link or 2 with some 60 Ghz gear. Regards, Dawn DiPietro wispa wrote: In the search for the bigger last mile pipe, there's unlicensed at both 17 and 60 ghz. I'm not sure if the consumer electronics industry is up for working at 60 ghz, but what about 17 ghz? Google gets me a lot of theoretical work at both, and engineering discussions of both, but nothing that looks like something otehr than talkware. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some opinions
Hi i have check some equipments sugested, and i have a question about it first someone has try the senao NL-3054CB3 it seems that it is very good equipment, and the second one its the proxim AP's wich support WDS but as far as i can see those products has onboard antennas what i dont know can i use the proxym but chanching the anntenas? Carlos A. Garcia G escribió: I will send you guys the image Dave Brenton escribió: Carlos, 3 Questions: 1) How far apart are office 1 and office 2? 2) Can you see from one to the other? 3) Do you NEED to provide bandwidth to P1 P2 and P3? Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914 office (931) 627-1142 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 13:40 Subject: [WISPA] Some opinions Hi i have 2 offices that i have to connect to do this i nedd to use the 3 points between them Office1-- P1--P2--P3--Office2 do any of you know what equipments can connect without using too many products for example to do that with cisco 1300 wireless bridges i need to use 8 radios and i want to use 5 Office-- -P1--P2--P3- --Office2 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Is anyone thinking about 17 and 60 ghz?
Tom DeReggi wrote: Anyone that can afford name brand high capacity unlicensed PTPs can afford 60Ghz. You can go 1/2 mile for under $10,000 with Proxim. Financed over 3 years will allow it to be paid for with the first T1 customer. The problem is back hauling it :-) Not all WISPs will be in the position to do that. Also take note that the metrix on shortest hop routing may no longer be applicable. A 5 hop GB network at 2miles each may be faster path than the 10 miles 10mbps backhaul. But what happens the .5% of the time when the GB gets marginal? and the backup slower 10 mile links perform better? And what happens when the link is only as fast as the weakest link in a 5 hop path? It very well may take smarter routing to handle the job than just OSPF, depending on the SLA one needs to deliver. Because capacity and packet loss are the metrix that need to be considered most. If you define an LSP that matches your SLA then MPLS will select any combination of layer 3 routes to encapsulate your customer's traffic. This has the advantage of routing not based on distance metrics, but instead using SLA driven metrics like latency, jitter, and packet loss. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
802.11 and contention in general is, at least under the original RO (which is being revisited), an acceptable protocol. It is not THE protocol. This is not a debatable point, though it does have many confused. But I was there, twice, and received that answer directly from the FCC team that wrote the RO. Everyone one else is simply assuming based on a cursory (and not thorough) reading of the original RO. Even a thorough reading alone shows that contention (much less actual 802.11 contention) is required by the RO. The revision to the RO, when it finally gets issued, may codify contention specifically and even may codify an 802.11 version; today however, that is not the case. For the record, either way works for us, so I'm not trying to slant anything. These are just the basic facts. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:03 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? I heard back from a Ubiquiti salesperson yesterday (working Sunday!), they expect to start shipping the XR3 cards this month. http://www.ubnt.com/xtreme_range3.php4 I guess they are claiming that 802.11 is the contention protocol. I might check out a pair, we'll see how they are priced. After I finish with non-commercial WISP testing, I suppose they could be used for amateur radio projects, since they also support 3300-3500MHz. On March 3, at 1:57 AM March 3, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:30:38 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote 3650 is complicated. Last month's FCC visit stated that they are getting close, and expect answers by Fall :-( Experimental licenses are available, allthough, would likely result in removing gear in a year. Can you point to any info on getting one? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] McKinney and longview TExas Service
Looking for service at the following addresses. 8900 State Hwy 12, McKinney, TX 75050 3092 N. Eastman Road, Suite 100, Longview, TX 75605 Let me know if you service these areas. Thanks Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your average simple STA used to take about 2 months tops to get approved. The same STA now takes over 1/2 a year. And remember, this is the same lab that is directly approving/certifying 5.4 GHz gear. In other words, for every garbage STA the lab must process, everything the lab legitimately needs to do only gets pushed out and delayed. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused; it is symptomatic of the disregard by some for FCC rules. And yes, there is abuse of STAs at the hands of some operators (not just some WISPs). Two years ago I could point to no such abuse by our industry. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
What is STA? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your average simple STA used to take about 2 months tops to get approved. The same STA now takes over 1/2 a year. And remember, this is the same lab that is directly approving/certifying 5.4 GHz gear. In other words, for every garbage STA the lab must process, everything the lab legitimately needs to do only gets pushed out and delayed. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused; it is symptomatic of the disregard by some for FCC rules. And yes, there is abuse of STAs at the hands of some operators (not just some WISPs). Two years ago I could point to no such abuse by our industry. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Special Temporary Authority. These are temporary use permits issued by the FCC, typically to use pieces of frequency not publicly generally available. Such use is limited to testing purposes, most often to learn and develop technical aspects of a new system in development. Commercial use (revenue generating use) is strictly prohibited. https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/els/forms/StaEntry.cfm Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? What is STA? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your average simple STA used to take about 2 months tops to get approved. The same STA now takes over 1/2 a year. And remember, this is the same lab that is directly approving/certifying 5.4 GHz gear. In other words, for every garbage STA the lab must process, everything the lab legitimately needs to do only gets pushed out and delayed. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused; it is symptomatic of the disregard by some for FCC rules. And yes, there is abuse of STAs at the hands of some operators (not just some WISPs). Two years ago I could point to no such abuse by our industry. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
From the FCC Web site: Filing Guidelines for Experimental Special Temporary Authorization To provide applicants for experimental Special Temporary Authorization (STA) with the best possible service, we offer the following guidelines: STAs are intended for experiments that will last no longer than six months. Applicants intending to conduct experiments of longer duration should file for a regular experimental license using FCC Form 442. Applications for STAs are generally processed on a first come, first served basis along with regular applications and should be filed well in advance (at least 30-60 days, if possible) of the desired start day. In cases where such advance notice cannot be provided, including applications for emergency response systems or those related to national security issues, applicants should make every effort to file as well in advance as possible. If expedited processing is necessary, applicants must provide sufficient justification in accordance with Section 5.61 of the Commission rules. The Commission will evaluate such justification on a case by case basis to determine if expedited processing is warranted. Expedited processing does not bypass the normal application review process. All applications undergo review regarding the potential for an experiment to cause interference to both non-federal and federal systems. Depending on the desired bands of operation, coordination with NTIA may be necessary. Application Status may be checked online from the The OET ELS Application Search Report or directed to Nancy Hey at 202-418-2432, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Application filing questions or ELS filing problems should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Special Temporary Authority. These are temporary use permits issued by the FCC, typically to use pieces of frequency not publicly generally available. Such use is limited to testing purposes, most often to learn and develop technical aspects of a new system in development. Commercial use (revenue generating use) is strictly prohibited. https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/els/forms/StaEntry.cfm Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? What is STA? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your average simple STA used to take about 2 months tops to get approved. The same STA now takes over 1/2 a year. And remember, this is the same lab that is directly approving/certifying 5.4 GHz gear. In other words, for every garbage STA the lab must process, everything the lab legitimately needs to do only gets pushed out and delayed. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused; it is symptomatic of the disregard by some for FCC rules. And yes, there is abuse of STAs at the hands of some operators (not just some WISPs). Two years ago I could point to no such abuse by our industry. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Patrick Leary wrote: You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) :) Well maybe a bit, but some of us have our 3650 aps in. Just figuring your a wealth of information and I knew you would expand upon this. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
CFR 47, Part 5 http://tscm.com/47cfr5.pdf Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If I remember correctly (and I hope anyone will jump in here with any necessary corrections to the following) it's a Special Temporary Authorization. In the Experimental Radio Service which is the service that I believe is applicable to on-air testing of 3650 MHz transmitters, it is a temporary authorization to conduct the following types of operation: a) Experimentation in scientific or technical radio research. b) Experimentation under contractual agreement with the United States Government, or for export purposes. c) Communications essential to a research project. d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for authorization in any other service. f) Demonstrations of equipment to prospective purchasers by persons engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or regulatory approval of such equipment. h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering data not related to any existing or proposed service, including field or factory testing or calibration of equipment. i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational data or engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. j) Limited market studies. k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under paragraphs (a) through (j) will be considered upon demonstrations of need for such additional types of experiments. Before applying for an STA, it's required to obtain, read, and understand Part 5 (Experimental Radio Service) of Code of Federal Regulations 47 (CFR 47). CFR 47 can be obtained from the Government Printing Office. jack Mark McElvy wrote: What is STA? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your average simple STA used to take about 2 months tops to get approved. The same STA now takes over 1/2 a year. And remember, this is the same lab that is directly approving/certifying 5.4 GHz gear. In other words, for every garbage STA the lab must process, everything the lab legitimately needs to do only gets pushed out and delayed. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused; it is symptomatic of the disregard by some for FCC rules. And yes, there is abuse of STAs at the hands of some operators (not just some WISPs). Two years ago I could point to no such abuse by our industry. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43).
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
If your STA is not for this purpose, its legitimacy is, well, questionable. 5.57 (a) Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental Radio Service must enclose with the application a narrative statement describing in detail the program of research and experimentation proposed, the specific objectives sought to be accomplished; and how the program of experimentation has a reasonable promise of contribution to the development, extension, or expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not already investigated. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? CFR 47, Part 5 http://tscm.com/47cfr5.pdf Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If I remember correctly (and I hope anyone will jump in here with any necessary corrections to the following) it's a Special Temporary Authorization. In the Experimental Radio Service which is the service that I believe is applicable to on-air testing of 3650 MHz transmitters, it is a temporary authorization to conduct the following types of operation: a) Experimentation in scientific or technical radio research. b) Experimentation under contractual agreement with the United States Government, or for export purposes. c) Communications essential to a research project. d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for authorization in any other service. f) Demonstrations of equipment to prospective purchasers by persons engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or regulatory approval of such equipment. h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering data not related to any existing or proposed service, including field or factory testing or calibration of equipment. i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational data or engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. j) Limited market studies. k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under paragraphs (a) through (j) will be considered upon demonstrations of need for such additional types of experiments. Before applying for an STA, it's required to obtain, read, and understand Part 5 (Experimental Radio Service) of Code of Federal Regulations 47 (CFR 47). CFR 47 can be obtained from the Government Printing Office. jack Mark McElvy wrote: What is STA? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your average simple STA used to take about 2 months tops to get approved. The same STA now takes over 1/2 a year. And remember, this is the same lab that is directly approving/certifying 5.4 GHz gear. In other words, for every garbage STA the lab must process, everything the lab legitimately needs to do only gets pushed out and delayed. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused; it is symptomatic of the disregard by some for FCC rules. And yes, there is abuse of STAs at the hands of some operators (not just some WISPs). Two years ago I could point to no such abuse by our industry. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless)
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Subpart D, Operating Requirements, General Limitations 5.151: (1) Stations may make only such transmissions as are necessary and directly related to the conduct of the licensee's stated program of experimentation as specified in this application for construction permit and license and the related station instrument of authorization, and as governed by the provisions of the rules and regulations contained in this part. All transmissions shall be limited to the minimum practical transmission time. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If your STA is not for this purpose, its legitimacy is, well, questionable. 5.57 (a) Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental Radio Service must enclose with the application a narrative statement describing in detail the program of research and experimentation proposed, the specific objectives sought to be accomplished; and how the program of experimentation has a reasonable promise of contribution to the development, extension, or expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not already investigated. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? CFR 47, Part 5 http://tscm.com/47cfr5.pdf Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If I remember correctly (and I hope anyone will jump in here with any necessary corrections to the following) it's a Special Temporary Authorization. In the Experimental Radio Service which is the service that I believe is applicable to on-air testing of 3650 MHz transmitters, it is a temporary authorization to conduct the following types of operation: a) Experimentation in scientific or technical radio research. b) Experimentation under contractual agreement with the United States Government, or for export purposes. c) Communications essential to a research project. d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for authorization in any other service. f) Demonstrations of equipment to prospective purchasers by persons engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or regulatory approval of such equipment. h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering data not related to any existing or proposed service, including field or factory testing or calibration of equipment. i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational data or engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. j) Limited market studies. k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under paragraphs (a) through (j) will be considered upon demonstrations of need for such additional types of experiments. Before applying for an STA, it's required to obtain, read, and understand Part 5 (Experimental Radio Service) of Code of Federal Regulations 47 (CFR 47). CFR 47 can be obtained from the Government Printing Office. jack Mark McElvy wrote: What is STA? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your average simple STA used to take about 2 months tops to get approved. The same STA now takes over 1/2 a year. And remember, this is the same lab that is directly approving/certifying 5.4 GHz gear. In other words, for every garbage STA the lab must process, everything the lab legitimately needs to do only gets pushed out and delayed. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused; it is symptomatic of the disregard by some for FCC rules. And yes, there is abuse of STAs at the hands of some operators (not just some WISPs). Two years ago I could point to no such abuse by our industry. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat.
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Inspection Rights... § 5.160 Inspection of stations. All stations and records of stations in the Experimental Radio Service shall be made available for inspection at any time while the station is in operation or shall be made available for inspection upon reasonable request of an authorized representative of the Commission. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Subpart D, Operating Requirements, General Limitations 5.151: (1) Stations may make only such transmissions as are necessary and directly related to the conduct of the licensee's stated program of experimentation as specified in this application for construction permit and license and the related station instrument of authorization, and as governed by the provisions of the rules and regulations contained in this part. All transmissions shall be limited to the minimum practical transmission time. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If your STA is not for this purpose, its legitimacy is, well, questionable. 5.57 (a) Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental Radio Service must enclose with the application a narrative statement describing in detail the program of research and experimentation proposed, the specific objectives sought to be accomplished; and how the program of experimentation has a reasonable promise of contribution to the development, extension, or expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not already investigated. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? CFR 47, Part 5 http://tscm.com/47cfr5.pdf Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If I remember correctly (and I hope anyone will jump in here with any necessary corrections to the following) it's a Special Temporary Authorization. In the Experimental Radio Service which is the service that I believe is applicable to on-air testing of 3650 MHz transmitters, it is a temporary authorization to conduct the following types of operation: a) Experimentation in scientific or technical radio research. b) Experimentation under contractual agreement with the United States Government, or for export purposes. c) Communications essential to a research project. d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for authorization in any other service. f) Demonstrations of equipment to prospective purchasers by persons engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or regulatory approval of such equipment. h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering data not related to any existing or proposed service, including field or factory testing or calibration of equipment. i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational data or engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. j) Limited market studies. k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under paragraphs (a) through (j) will be considered upon demonstrations of need for such additional types of experiments. Before applying for an STA, it's required to obtain, read, and understand Part 5 (Experimental Radio Service) of Code of Federal Regulations 47 (CFR 47). CFR 47 can be obtained from the Government Printing Office. jack Mark McElvy wrote: What is STA? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. Your
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Hi John, The Ubiquitu XR3 spec sheet is misleading. As far as I know, there is no current legal license-free 3650 operation allowed, as Ubiquity states. Operation on 3650 can only take place when a Special Temporary Authorization aplication has been submitted to the FCC and an STA approval received back from the FCC. In general, STAs in the Experimental Radio Service are issued to allow on-air testing of equipment or new technology that can only be tested on-the-air. Please see my previous post which outlines the conditions under which an STA may be granted. Legal, commercial WISP use of 3650 requires not an STA but a non-exclusive license application process with the FCC. Final requirements are still being finalized but here's a cut and past from the March 10, 2005 announcement. __ FCC OPENS ACCESS TO NEW SPECTRUM FOR WIRELESS BROADBAND IN THE 3650 MHZ BAND WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC or Commission) adopted rules to open access to new spectrum for wireless broadband in the 3650-3700 MHz band (3650 MHz). The Commission adopted a hybrid approach that draws from both the Commission’s unlicensed and licensed regulatory models and provides for nationwide, non-exclusive licensing of terrestrial operations in the band utilizing technologies employing contention-based protocols. This streamlined licensing mechanism with minimal regulatory entry requirements will encourage multiple new entrants and stimulate the rapid expansion of wireless broadband services -- especially in rural America -- by Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) and other entities with limited resources. The Commission also provided an opportunity for the introduction at 3650 MHz of a variety of new wireless broadband technologies, such as Wi-Max, into the band. Under the Commission’s approach, there is no limit on the number of licenses that can be granted, and each licensee will be authorized to operate on a shared basis with other licensees on all 50 megahertz of the band, subject to restrictions in geographic areas occupied by grandfathered Fixed Satellite Service (FSS) and Federal Government stations. Licensees will also be required to register all system base stations electronically with the Commission. Base station registration will enable licensees to locate each other’s operations and will facilitate protection of grandfathered stations from interference. This type of licensing and registration will enable the Commission to monitor the use of this spectrum as new technologies and services develop. The Commission found that the public record developed in this proceeding supports multiple users sharing this spectrum through the use of “contention-based” protocols to minimize interference among fixed and mobile operations. New fixed and mobile stations will therefore be required to use contention-based protocols, which will reduce the possibility of interference from co-frequency operation by managing each station’s access to spectrum. The Commission concluded that this approach is a reasonable, cost-effective method for ensuring that multiple users can access the spectrum. The Commission gave all licensees the mutual obligation to cooperate and avoid harmful interference to one another. Mobile stations also will be required to positively receive and decode an enabling signal transmitted by a base station. The Commission determined that this approach will ensure that mobile stations operate within range of registered base stations, thereby avoiding interference to grandfathered FSS and Federal Government stations. Fixed stations will be allowed to operate with a peak power limit of 25 Watts per 25 megahertz bandwidth, and mobile stations with a peak power limit of 1 Watt per 25 megahertz bandwidth. The Commission kept the existing allocations for the band, grandfathering previously licensed primary incumbent FSS earth station operations and three Federal Government radiolocation stations, entitling them to interference protection from new wireless licensees. To protect these incumbent operations, the Commission established circular protection zones around them – 150 km for FSS earth stations and 80 km for Federal Government stations - and prohibited new terrestrial licensees from operating within these zones unless they negotiate agreements with the incumbents. The Commission determined that new FSS stations should be allowed on a secondary basis and denied several petitions for reconsideration of an earlier decision in this proceeding that established the existing FSS, FS and MS allocations. The Commission also concluded that there should be no eligibility restrictions (other than the statutory foreign ownership restrictions) and no in-band or out-of-band spectrum aggregation limits. Licensees will receive a 10-year
[WISPA] Getting an STA if you already run an illegal network
So anyone operating an illegal network is also inviting further trouble upon themselves if they file for an STA. I have had an FCC officer visit the site on an STA. File one, and you draw direct attention to yourself and that's not something you want to do if your operation is not legal to start with. Imagine the compounded nature of your problem if the official learns that under your STA you are not actually running any experimental studies, you have no reports, and you have customers connected. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? FCC Inspection... § 5.160 Inspection of stations. All stations and records of stations in the Experimental Radio Service shall be made available for inspection at any time while the station is in operation or shall be made available for inspection upon reasonable request of an authorized representative of the Commission. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Subpart D, Operating Requirements, General Limitations 5.151: (1) Stations may make only such transmissions as are necessary and directly related to the conduct of the licensee's stated program of experimentation as specified in this application for construction permit and license and the related station instrument of authorization, and as governed by the provisions of the rules and regulations contained in this part. All transmissions shall be limited to the minimum practical transmission time. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If your STA is not for this purpose, its legitimacy is, well, questionable. 5.57 (a) Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental Radio Service must enclose with the application a narrative statement describing in detail the program of research and experimentation proposed, the specific objectives sought to be accomplished; and how the program of experimentation has a reasonable promise of contribution to the development, extension, or expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not already investigated. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? CFR 47, Part 5 http://tscm.com/47cfr5.pdf Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? If I remember correctly (and I hope anyone will jump in here with any necessary corrections to the following) it's a Special Temporary Authorization. In the Experimental Radio Service which is the service that I believe is applicable to on-air testing of 3650 MHz transmitters, it is a temporary authorization to conduct the following types of operation: a) Experimentation in scientific or technical radio research. b) Experimentation under contractual agreement with the United States Government, or for export purposes. c) Communications essential to a research project. d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for authorization in any other service. f) Demonstrations of equipment to prospective purchasers by persons engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or regulatory approval of such equipment. h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering data not related to any existing or proposed service, including field or factory testing or calibration of equipment. i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational data or engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. j) Limited market studies. k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under paragraphs
RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
George, why do you have an STA application pending? What are your plans for the gear? What is the experiment you will be performing? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Patrick Leary wrote: You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) :) Well maybe a bit, but some of us have our 3650 aps in. Just figuring your a wealth of information and I knew you would expand upon this. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
First, lets clear things up. I already know that we are not supposed to use it as part of our network, regardless of what others might think. We have already heard someone else say other wise on a different list as part of a different organization. So, for me, it's to experiment with and to see what kinds of results I can get. I am going to use it personally in a variety of different fashions. We hired Kris months ago and we've paid him to handle our application. I'm sure we will have to alter our application now that these guys have George Patrick Leary wrote: George, why do you have an STA application pending? What are your plans for the gear? What is the experiment you will be performing? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Patrick Leary wrote: You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) :) Well maybe a bit, but some of us have our 3650 aps in. Just figuring your a wealth of information and I knew you would expand upon this. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
George, to the extent that this thread contributes to myth quashing (a never ending task in this business), it is all good, as the colloquialism goes. Be careful though. STA's are not designed for every WISP out there to discover the same thing and the body of knowledge about how 3.65 propagates is well understood. For sure in the end it is the FCC itself that issues the STA, and they choose to accept or not and Kris certainly knows what he is doing. We'll all be better off when the limbo that is this band is finally decided upon. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George? First, lets clear things up. I already know that we are not supposed to use it as part of our network, regardless of what others might think. We have already heard someone else say other wise on a different list as part of a different organization. So, for me, it's to experiment with and to see what kinds of results I can get. I am going to use it personally in a variety of different fashions. We hired Kris months ago and we've paid him to handle our application. I'm sure we will have to alter our application now that these guys have George Patrick Leary wrote: George, why do you have an STA application pending? What are your plans for the gear? What is the experiment you will be performing? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Patrick Leary wrote: You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) :) Well maybe a bit, but some of us have our 3650 aps in. Just figuring your a wealth of information and I knew you would expand upon this. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
It's actually a very good thread. Just think of those who heard some one else last year say they were using their for backhaul... Now they know better. These new cards, which have actually been talked about for quite some time, will help some of the guys (the RF Gearheads) to do more experimenting because they cost less than a redline, etc. Lets hope this time, the manufacturer acts responsibly and doesn't just sell them to just anyone with a cc. George Patrick Leary wrote: George, to the extent that this thread contributes to myth quashing (a never ending task in this business), it is all good, as the colloquialism goes. Be careful though. STA's are not designed for every WISP out there to discover the same thing and the body of knowledge about how 3.65 propagates is well understood. For sure in the end it is the FCC itself that issues the STA, and they choose to accept or not and Kris certainly knows what he is doing. We'll all be better off when the limbo that is this band is finally decided upon. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. Well maybe a bit, but some of us have our 3650 aps in. Just figuring your a wealth of information and I knew you would expand upon this. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
... Now they know better. Alas, we can, and I always do, hope that people learn. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George? It's actually a very good thread. Just think of those who heard some one else last year say they were using their for backhaul... Now they know better. These new cards, which have actually been talked about for quite some time, will help some of the guys (the RF Gearheads) to do more experimenting because they cost less than a redline, etc. Lets hope this time, the manufacturer acts responsibly and doesn't just sell them to just anyone with a cc. George Patrick Leary wrote: George, to the extent that this thread contributes to myth quashing (a never ending task in this business), it is all good, as the colloquialism goes. Be careful though. STA's are not designed for every WISP out there to discover the same thing and the body of knowledge about how 3.65 propagates is well understood. For sure in the end it is the FCC itself that issues the STA, and they choose to accept or not and Kris certainly knows what he is doing. We'll all be better off when the limbo that is this band is finally decided upon. Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
Patrick Leary wrote: ... Now they know better. Alas, we can, and I always do, hope that people learn. That is the whole point of these lists. To educate and help wisps understand better. What good is a dormant list? Some may think that a lot of these posts are just talk and hopefully many will see the value of the information buried in here. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
George Rogato wrote: Lets hope this time, the manufacturer acts responsibly and doesn't just sell them to just anyone with a cc. I didn't think a radio vendor was allowed to sell a product for use with an experimental license. I thought the radio vendor could only let you use the radio for the period of the experiment and then you had to give it back. We'd had a 3.65 experimental license for over a year now and I have never been able to buy a radio for it. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] McKinney and longview TExas Service
The McKinney, TX address doesn't come up as a good address using Yahoo or Google maps. Can you confirm the address, provide coordinates or possibly identify the closest major intersection? What type of service are they looking for? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] McKinney and longview TExas Service Looking for service at the following addresses. 8900 State Hwy 12, McKinney, TX 75050 3092 N. Eastman Road, Suite 100, Longview, TX 75605 Let me know if you service these areas. Thanks Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
That's why operator-acquired STAs are usually worked cooperatively with vendors, i.e. the vendor is looking for the operator to perform specific real world tests for the purposes of product validation, refinement, etc. Even when I've received an STA for demonstrating 3.x GHz product in a show setting I've been required to post a prominent sign that reads, and I quote: Special Conditions: (4) Alvarion shall post a sign indicating: a.) This is European equipment not for use in the USA. b.) Alvarion version will be available using an approved FCC radio frequency band. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George? George Rogato wrote: Lets hope this time, the manufacturer acts responsibly and doesn't just sell them to just anyone with a cc. I didn't think a radio vendor was allowed to sell a product for use with an experimental license. I thought the radio vendor could only let you use the radio for the period of the experiment and then you had to give it back. We'd had a 3.65 experimental license for over a year now and I have never been able to buy a radio for it. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?
Patrick Leary wrote: That's why operator-acquired STAs are usually worked cooperatively with vendors, i.e. the vendor is looking for the operator to perform specific real world tests for the purposes of product validation, refinement, etc. Sure... we just had to give the radios back afterwards and no money changed hands. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Patrick Leary wrote: You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Does it take much? I think you are probably a one twist is all it takes sort of guy. :-) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. So now you want to bitch because too many people are trying to get stuff certified? That's a new twist on a dull theme. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused I guess I need to have your rationale explained to me here. People who are paying to have gear certified are abusing the system because...? I am not following this one at all. Please explain. I can't wait for this fun thread to blossom into what I am sure will be as much fun as my last trip to the dentist. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Well, actually I think this is going to be a new track on your broken CD. :-) Scriv Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
So now you want to bitch because too many people are trying to get stuff certified? I can't wait for this fun thread to blossom into what I am sure will be as much fun as my last trip to the dentist. John, sorry but this post eludes me. This thread has zip, zero, nada to do worth product certification. STA's have nothing to do with certifications. I also do not understand why you turning this thread into something personal about me or otherwise go negative (damn it, you are the last person I expect this type of grief from). Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Patrick Leary wrote: You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Does it take much? I think you are probably a one twist is all it takes sort of guy. :-) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. So now you want to bitch because too many people are trying to get stuff certified? That's a new twist on a dull theme. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused I guess I need to have your rationale explained to me here. People who are paying to have gear certified are abusing the system because...? I am not following this one at all. Please explain. I can't wait for this fun thread to blossom into what I am sure will be as much fun as my last trip to the dentist. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Well, actually I think this is going to be a new track on your broken CD. :-) Scriv Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Jack Patrick: thanks for all the info on 3650 status. This type of response is why I'm on this mailing list. That March 10, 2005 announcement is near-and-dear to me, since that is what started me on the WISP path. I haven't closely followed the progress on 3650, so when I saw the XR3 info I thought it might be happening soon. Those thoughts were pushed along further when I saw the Part-15 org people selling a help get licensed on 3650 manual -- their webpage doesn't indicate to me that it is still experimental. http://www.part-15.org/sales/3650manual.asp Sounds like I should plan testing under my ham license (~3400MHz) rather than clogging up the FCC with a bogus STA application. My interest is propagation thru our Michigan foliage, so I would want to test this summer. But maybe someone could just tell me what to expect - should it be similar to 2.4GHz? -John (kd8bqx) PS - any chance I could convince folks to trim their responses? I read this list in digest mode, 80% of the digest is noise. :-) The Ubiquitu XR3 spec sheet is misleading. As far as I know, there is no current legal license-free 3650 operation allowed, as Ubiquity states. Operation on 3650 can only take place when a Special Temporary Authorization aplication has been submitted to the FCC and an STA approval received back from the FCC. In general, STAs in the Experimental Radio Service are issued to allow on-air testing of equipment or new technology that can only be tested on-the-air. Please see my previous post which outlines the conditions under which an STA may be granted. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
Part-15 org people selling a help get licensed on 3650 manual -- their webpage doesn't indicate to me that it is still experimental. http://www.part-15.org/sales/3650manual.asp Catch this from that page: Training Manual Have you looked into using 3650MHz for the security of Interference Free Wireless Backhauls? Are you bewildered by all the FCC issues currently going on with the band? Can you obtain a 3650MHz license? How much does the license and equipment cost? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] test
Last post I received until the below was John's post entering this thread just over one hour ago. Did the list go down? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test test Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
John, To learn the propagation characteristics of 3.x GHz gear, testing in the 3300-3500 MHz ham band is clearly the best way to go. Personal experimentation (advancing the radio art) and performing public service were (and are) the reason that the amateur radio service exists. Of course, we can't make money or use ham radio for any commercial purpose but it's absolutely perfect for learning about propagation characteristics on many different frequencies. If you could report your 3.5 GHz test results back here, I think many WISPs would appreciate knowing what you find out. I'm going to speculate (I've never been on 3.5 GHz myself) that the propagation will be a cross between 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. Obstacles will be more of a problem than on 2.4 GHz but not as much of a problem as on 5 GHz. Best Regards, jack (K6XS) BTW, For any WISP-person who wants to get their ham license, it's never been easier. The Morse Code requirement has been dropped. Most parts of the country have free or low-cost licensing classes. In as little as one weekend, it's possible to learn everything needed to pass the (multiple-choice) licensing test. Here's just one link: http://www.hamuniverse.com/study.html John Valenti wrote: Jack Patrick: thanks for all the info on 3650 status. This type of response is why I'm on this mailing list. That March 10, 2005 announcement is near-and-dear to me, since that is what started me on the WISP path. I haven't closely followed the progress on 3650, so when I saw the XR3 info I thought it might be happening soon. Those thoughts were pushed along further when I saw the Part-15 org people selling a help get licensed on 3650 manual -- their webpage doesn't indicate to me that it is still experimental. http://www.part-15.org/sales/3650manual.asp Sounds like I should plan testing under my ham license (~3400MHz) rather than clogging up the FCC with a bogus STA application. My interest is propagation thru our Michigan foliage, so I would want to test this summer. But maybe someone could just tell me what to expect - should it be similar to 2.4GHz? -John (kd8bqx) PS - any chance I could convince folks to trim their responses? I read this list in digest mode, 80% of the digest is noise. :-) The Ubiquitu XR3 spec sheet is misleading. As far as I know, there is no current legal license-free 3650 operation allowed, as Ubiquity states. Operation on 3650 can only take place when a Special Temporary Authorization aplication has been submitted to the FCC and an STA approval received back from the FCC. In general, STAs in the Experimental Radio Service are issued to allow on-air testing of equipment or new technology that can only be tested on-the-air. Please see my previous post which outlines the conditions under which an STA may be granted. -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] McKinney and longview TExas Service
It is a construction company client of ours that has locations all over the US. They would need a temporary (3-6 months or more connection for the constructions office.) The address is for a future building. I will try some variations -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] McKinney and longview TExas Service The McKinney, TX address doesn't come up as a good address using Yahoo or Google maps. Can you confirm the address, provide coordinates or possibly identify the closest major intersection? What type of service are they looking for? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] McKinney and longview TExas Service Looking for service at the following addresses. 8900 State Hwy 12, McKinney, TX 75050 3092 N. Eastman Road, Suite 100, Longview, TX 75605 Let me know if you service these areas. Thanks Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/709 - Release Date: 3/3/2007 8:12 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/709 - Release Date: 3/3/2007 8:12 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/709 - Release Date: 3/3/2007 8:12 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] test
Test received... Patrick Leary wrote: Last post I received until the below was John's post entering this thread just over one hour ago. Did the list go down? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
The folks at the FCC aren't stupid. My *guess* is that they are allowing some use of the band by commercial operators to gather field data about what'll really happen when they release the band. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Hi John, The Ubiquitu XR3 spec sheet is misleading. As far as I know, there is no current legal license-free 3650 operation allowed, as Ubiquity states. Operation on 3650 can only take place when a Special Temporary Authorization aplication has been submitted to the FCC and an STA approval received back from the FCC. In general, STAs in the Experimental Radio Service are issued to allow on-air testing of equipment or new technology that can only be tested on-the-air. Please see my previous post which outlines the conditions under which an STA may be granted. Legal, commercial WISP use of 3650 requires not an STA but a non-exclusive license application process with the FCC. Final requirements are still being finalized but here's a cut and past from the March 10, 2005 announcement. __ FCC OPENS ACCESS TO NEW SPECTRUM FOR WIRELESS BROADBAND IN THE 3650 MHZ BAND WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC or Commission) adopted rules to open access to new spectrum for wireless broadband in the 3650-3700 MHz band (3650 MHz). The Commission adopted a hybrid approach that draws from both the Commission’s unlicensed and licensed regulatory models and provides for nationwide, non-exclusive licensing of terrestrial operations in the band utilizing technologies employing contention-based protocols. This streamlined licensing mechanism with minimal regulatory entry requirements will encourage multiple new entrants and stimulate the rapid expansion of wireless broadband services -- especially in rural America -- by Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) and other entities with limited resources. The Commission also provided an opportunity for the introduction at 3650 MHz of a variety of new wireless broadband technologies, such as Wi-Max, into the band. Under the Commission’s approach, there is no limit on the number of licenses that can be granted, and each licensee will be authorized to operate on a shared basis with other licensees on all 50 megahertz of the band, subject to restrictions in geographic areas occupied by grandfathered Fixed Satellite Service (FSS) and Federal Government stations. Licensees will also be required to register all system base stations electronically with the Commission. Base station registration will enable licensees to locate each other’s operations and will facilitate protection of grandfathered stations from interference. This type of licensing and registration will enable the Commission to monitor the use of this spectrum as new technologies and services develop. The Commission found that the public record developed in this proceeding supports multiple users sharing this spectrum through the use of “contention-based” protocols to minimize interference among fixed and mobile operations. New fixed and mobile stations will therefore be required to use contention-based protocols, which will reduce the possibility of interference from co-frequency operation by managing each station’s access to spectrum. The Commission concluded that this approach is a reasonable, cost-effective method for ensuring that multiple users can access the spectrum. The Commission gave all licensees the mutual obligation to cooperate and avoid harmful interference to one another. Mobile stations also will be required to positively receive and decode an enabling signal transmitted by a base station. The Commission determined that this approach will ensure that mobile stations operate within range of registered base stations, thereby avoiding interference to grandfathered FSS and Federal Government stations. Fixed stations will be allowed to operate with a peak power limit of 25 Watts per 25 megahertz bandwidth, and mobile stations with a peak power limit of 1 Watt per 25 megahertz bandwidth. The Commission kept the existing allocations for the band, grandfathering previously licensed primary incumbent FSS earth station operations and three Federal Government radiolocation stations, entitling them to interference protection from new wireless licensees. To protect these incumbent operations, the Commission established circular protection zones around them – 150 km for FSS earth stations and 80 km for Federal Government stations - and prohibited new terrestrial licensees from operating within these zones unless they negotiate agreements with the incumbents. The Commission determined that new FSS stations should be allowed
[WISPA] Press Release: WISPA, Part-15.org concur on whitespace usage issues
PHONE: (509) 982-2181 FAX: (509) 982-2238 1 DR. Park Road Suite H1 Mt. Vernon, Il. 62864 WISPA and Part-15.Org Concur on use of Whitespace Spectrum Washington, DC (March 1, 2007) One of the key issues concerning commercial wireless broadband providers is how the FCC will control the unused television channels' white space to unlicensed use for broadband and wireless innovation (FCC Docket 04-186). The Wireless Internet Service Providers Association, as well as Part-15.Org, both leading representatives of the industry, have joined forces in agreement to refute claims made by the television broadcast industry that unlicensed devices operating in unused TV channels would interfere with TV reception and other licensed uses of the TV band; and second, whether the TV white space spectrum should be exclusively licensed instead of unlicensed. Both industry representatives told the Federal Communication Commission that opening this spectrum to unlicensed use will help provide more affordable and ubiquitous broadband coverage, particularly in rural areas. It will also pave the way for improved home and enterprise networking, wireless device and service innovation Both Part-15.Org and WISPA explain in their comments to the FCC that licensing is both impractical and inadvisable in this band and argue that the interference-avoidance mechanisms proposed in the FCC's original 2004 rulemaking are sufficient-along with specific technical parameters to be developed by the FCC-to protect licensed TV band users. Marlon K. Schafer, FCC Committee chairperson for WISPA, said that he is pleased both groups are working together on this important issue. An unlicensed environment will encourage entrepreneurship, and this is especially important in rural areas where major providers are not willing to expend the needed capital for a relatively few subscribers. He also said the organizations want to make sure that incumbent, licensed users of the spectrum are not harmed by unlicensed use. We want to be good stewards of the environment. Schafer said that a May, 2006 Pew Report showed more than eight million wireless broadband subscribers were in place, with that number increasing daily. We believe at least twice that are waiting for service because we have technological and physical band limitations that this spectrum could help alleviate. There are vast areas of the nation where VHF and UHF analog television signals are not received and by reusing this essentially vacant spectrum, we can help bring high-speed broadband connectivity to these waiting homes, businesses, schools and governments on a cost-effective basis, he said. Michael R. Anderson, chairman of the License Exempt Wireless Internet Service Providers Organization, Part-15.ORG, said that continuing to do business as usual regarding spectrum utilization is not in the best interest of rural Americans. He said the FCC's recent approach to open additional spectrum to license exempt broadband providers exemplifies their docket to remove common barriers that have stifled the growth of broadband for over a decade. PART-15.ORG applauds the FCC for their bold initiatives in moving forward with opening up the 'white space' for full utilization for broadband, Anderson said. For more information please contact: Marlon K. Schafer FCC Committee Chairman Founding Board Member (509) 982-2181 (509) 988-0260 cell WISPA - Wireless Internet Service Providers Association is dedicated to promoting and improving the WISP industry. We welcome you to our web site and invite you to read about the association and its efforts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
I thought that STA was a certification process for getting 3650 stuff certified. My bad. Sorry for the rude comments. I'll shut up now. Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: So now you want to bitch because too many people are trying to get stuff certified? I can't wait for this fun thread to blossom into what I am sure will be as much fun as my last trip to the dentist. John, sorry but this post eludes me. This thread has zip, zero, nada to do worth product certification. STA's have nothing to do with certifications. I also do not understand why you turning this thread into something personal about me or otherwise go negative (damn it, you are the last person I expect this type of grief from). Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? Patrick Leary wrote: You are trying to wind me up aren't you George? :) Does it take much? I think you are probably a one twist is all it takes sort of guy. :-) Speaking to the community at large: The good folks at the FCC lab in MD are already buried. In part, some of this is because of frivolous and disingenuous STA filings. So now you want to bitch because too many people are trying to get stuff certified? That's a new twist on a dull theme. Yes, it tweaks me to see so many processes abused I guess I need to have your rationale explained to me here. People who are paying to have gear certified are abusing the system because...? I am not following this one at all. Please explain. I can't wait for this fun thread to blossom into what I am sure will be as much fun as my last trip to the dentist. And yes, I know I sound like a broken CD player, stuck on repeat. Well, actually I think this is going to be a new track on your broken CD. :-) Scriv Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status? So what your saying Patrick is, It's ok, we should go and buy some of these things and do some testing, right? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 18ghz links
Hi, We have had several 18ghz links up and running for almost 4 years. Using many of the path calc programs, they show as much as 28 minutes per year of outage (due to multi-path and rain fade). Yet, during the entire last 4 years, we have never seen the signal change by more than 3-4db. We have over 30db of fade margin on these links... so, my question is, does 18ghz just die instantly (like 38ghz does) in a heavy rain storm? We have never had either of our 18ghz links go down (one is 7 miles and the other is 19 miles). I am wanting to try and do a 28 mile link, and I can do it with 20db of fade margin... so I am wondering if that will be enough, or if the path calcs will be correct and we will have as much as 20 hours of downtime per year? (99.7653% uptime). Any thoughts? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 18ghz links
Are these Dragon Wave links? This is good news for the up-time you are seeing. Do you have much rain where you are? I am definitely more interested in this band now. What kind of speeds can a guy expect from links like this? How much do they cost? Thanks much, Scriv Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We have had several 18ghz links up and running for almost 4 years. Using many of the path calc programs, they show as much as 28 minutes per year of outage (due to multi-path and rain fade). Yet, during the entire last 4 years, we have never seen the signal change by more than 3-4db. We have over 30db of fade margin on these links... so, my question is, does 18ghz just die instantly (like 38ghz does) in a heavy rain storm? We have never had either of our 18ghz links go down (one is 7 miles and the other is 19 miles). I am wanting to try and do a 28 mile link, and I can do it with 20db of fade margin... so I am wondering if that will be enough, or if the path calcs will be correct and we will have as much as 20 hours of downtime per year? (99.7653% uptime). Any thoughts? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 18ghz links
Hi, The last three links we installed have been Dragonwave (two AirPair 50's and one AirPair 100). They provide full-duplex operation at whatever speed you buy (so the AirPair 50's will do 50Mbps x 50Mbps). I have been able to get 52Mbps across the 50's using the Mikrotik speed test program (TCP). Cost can vary depending on antenna size, but in the least expensive config you are around $16k with the FCC license. The previous two links were WitCom units. They were more like $25k (4 years ago), but have paid for themselves many times over. :) Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: Are these Dragon Wave links? This is good news for the up-time you are seeing. Do you have much rain where you are? I am definitely more interested in this band now. What kind of speeds can a guy expect from links like this? How much do they cost? Thanks much, Scriv Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We have had several 18ghz links up and running for almost 4 years. Using many of the path calc programs, they show as much as 28 minutes per year of outage (due to multi-path and rain fade). Yet, during the entire last 4 years, we have never seen the signal change by more than 3-4db. We have over 30db of fade margin on these links... so, my question is, does 18ghz just die instantly (like 38ghz does) in a heavy rain storm? We have never had either of our 18ghz links go down (one is 7 miles and the other is 19 miles). I am wanting to try and do a 28 mile link, and I can do it with 20db of fade margin... so I am wondering if that will be enough, or if the path calcs will be correct and we will have as much as 20 hours of downtime per year? (99.7653% uptime). Any thoughts? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650, ok, so what's current status?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:40:33 -0500, John Valenti wrote Jack Patrick: thanks for all the info on 3650 status. This type of response is why I'm on this mailing list. That March 10, 2005 announcement is near-and-dear to me, since that is what started me on the WISP path. I haven't closely followed the progress on 3650, so when I saw the XR3 info I thought it might be happening soon. Those thoughts were pushed along further when I saw the Part-15 org people selling a help get licensed on 3650 manual -- their webpage doesn't indicate to me that it is still experimental. http://www.part-15.org/sales/3650manual.asp Sounds like I should plan testing under my ham license (~3400MHz) rather than clogging up the FCC with a bogus STA application. My interest is propagation thru our Michigan foliage, so I would want to test this summer. But maybe someone could just tell me what to expect - should it be similar to 2.4GHz? You gotta learn to read carefully. Part-15's site says that Part 15 AND REDLINE and part-90 (defunct) are teaming up to create a manual to teach WISP's everything they need to know in order to get licensed for 3650. I dunno if you're aware of it or not, but REdline already has P2P and P2MP equipment that is 3650 capable. With this slant - Redline being a sponsor, that is - it casts a whole new light on the notion of who is teaching what about what. I suspect it has something to do with teaching licensing procedures and protocol, and about the use of Redline's equipment. Perhaps Redline is doing some kind of cooperative effort for testing 3650 equipment. -John (kd8bqx) PS - any chance I could convince folks to trim their responses? I read this list in digest mode, 80% of the digest is noise. :-) Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
