Re: [WISPA] Unlimited bandwidth does not mean unlimited

2007-03-14 Thread George Rogato
Can you elaborate Travis. What do you mean by unlimited? If a sub downloads say 50 gigs in a month, do you not bother them unless they are impacting an ap, or do you let them keep on going? George Travis Johnson wrote: The unlimited model seems to be working for us for almost 10 years now

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Matt Liotta
It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt -- WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Unlimited bandwidth does not mean unlimited

2007-03-14 Thread Travis Johnson
Unless they are causing a problem with other customers, we just let them go. 99% of the time the issue is an upload running (p2p, virus, etc.) but if they are just downloading, it's fine with me. Travis George Rogato wrote: Can you elaborate Travis. What do you mean by unlimited? If a sub

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Peter R.
Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position.

Re: [WISPA] Unlimited bandwidth does not mean unlimited

2007-03-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
The problem is not giving unlimited capacity. The problem is guaranteeing the customers promised perception of speed. Charging per MB or GB transferred does not necessarilly solve the problem. A Denial Of Service type attack or port scanner type appication, can bring a network down to its knees,

[WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread chuck
I've got a remote rural location where we're thinking of putting up a 100' tower on a mountain owned by a large customer. Turns out that location can see one of our existing networks, which is great. However, the customer has extremely poor (or non-existent) cell phone coverage and would like

Re: [WISPA] Unlimited bandwidth does not mean unlimited

2007-03-14 Thread George Rogato
Thats the way I do it as well. Travis Johnson wrote: Unless they are causing a problem with other customers, we just let them go. 99% of the time the issue is an upload running (p2p, virus, etc.) but if they are just downloading, it's fine with me. Travis George Rogato wrote: Can you

Re: [SPAM] [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread Frank Watts
First of all just because you don't have a signal does not mean a cell carrier is waiting for you to put up a tower but that said I built a 120' Commercial tower back 3 years ago and total cost to build was around 50k. That was a tower to support cell and two way radio at 90mph wind load. I think

RE: [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread Brian Webster
A tower to support a cell carrier would easily approach $100,000 Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier? I've

Re: [SPAM] [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread chuck
At 11:43 AM -0400 3/14/07, Frank Watts wrote: First of all just because you don't have a signal does not mean a cell carrier is waiting for you to put up a tower but that said I built a 120' Commercial tower back 3 years ago and total cost to build was around 50k. That was a tower to support

RE: [SPAM] [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread chuck
At 10:53 AM -0500 3/14/07, JohnnyO wrote: 15K seems awful low for a tower on top of a mountain. You can build a 100ft Rohn45/Rohn55 for 15k - on flat / level land where there aren't any major challenges Then again - No Cell carrier I know of would go on such a tower. What kind of tower

Re: [SPAM] [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Chuck, My first impression of the situation is that your customer is seeing dollar signs because he has heard cell companies pay big bucks to locate on towers but does not actually realize all the costs associated with such a tower that a cell company might possibly locate on. I have seen

Re: [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread Blake Bowers
First off, reception is not a good gauge. There are many factors that play into whether or not you can attract a carrier. High spots used to be the king locations, but now due to loading issues, and frequency re-use they are not always the premier spots anymore. No one in the business is

RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Brad Belton
Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous

Re: [SPAM] [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread Blake Bowers
Cell carriers normally use site acquisition people, contract most of the time. Not brokers. Another thing that prevents them often from considering smaller companies towers is agreements they have with the larger companies. As an example, we have agreements with two carriers - flat rate

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Matt Liotta
Brad Belton wrote: Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is how long

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -

RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread wispa
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:55:31 -0500, Brad Belton wrote Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread George Rogato
Market forces dictate that Tom. Sure there are lots of companies that don't make a profit and have some relatively high stock prices. But the market forces are that if a company is not a viable eventual profit maker, then people sell those shares and the price goes down. If the price goes down

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Matt Liotta
wispa wrote: Ok, Clearwire expects to continue to build out. They expect to spend 1.1 billion, and market hacks expect them to triple the customer base over the next year or so. So, even next year, they're going to spend between 3 and 4 times their gross revenue. What is interesting

RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Brad Belton
Nothing, and why I feel the way I do about the stock. I believe CLWR will bounce back up, but will ultimately slide downward until profits are realized. No stock has ever been able to hold value without realizing profits at one point or another. Why should CLWR be any different? People

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Peter R.
Matt Liotta wrote: wispa wrote: Ok, Clearwire expects to continue to build out. They expect to spend 1.1 billion, and market hacks expect them to triple the customer base over the next year or so. So, even next year, they're going to spend between 3 and 4 times their gross revenue.

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread wispa
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:09:20 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote wispa wrote: Ok, Clearwire expects to continue to build out. They expect to spend 1.1 billion, and market hacks expect them to triple the customer base over the next year or so. So, even next year, they're going to spend

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread George Rogato
wispa wrote: It depends on who provides you the figures... People go to jail when those figures are wrong. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [SPAM] [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread chuck
At 12:35 PM -0400 3/14/07, Dawn DiPietro wrote: Chuck, My first impression of the situation is that your customer is seeing dollar signs because he has heard cell companies pay big bucks to locate on towers but does not actually realize all the costs associated with such a tower that a cell

Re: [SPAM] [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread chuck
At 12:03 PM -0500 3/14/07, Blake Bowers wrote: Cell carriers normally use site acquisition people, contract most of the time. Not brokers. I used the wrong term (not being in the business). That's essentially what I meant. I've come across the site acq. people before. Another thing that

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Peter R.
Not to compare it to a skunk, but look at Vonage stock. Tanked quick despite their accounting methods. (Sure some of that was from the patent lawsuit, but it was fading before that). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Peter R.
George Rogato wrote: wispa wrote: It depends on who provides you the figures... People go to jail when those figures are wrong. Sometimes they do. The key to GAAP Accounting is that you have to be consistent. SO if in your first quarter you decide that hardware is in this column and

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread George Rogato
Peter R. wrote: Not to compare it to a skunk, but look at Vonage stock. Tanked quick despite their accounting methods. (Sure some of that was from the patent lawsuit, but it was fading before that). - Peter Yeah, but Vonage also shot itself in the foot on IPO We will offer refunds if our

[WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - ValuePoint Networks

2007-03-14 Thread John Scrivner
Please welcome another new WISPA Vendor Member - ValuePoint Networks. For many of us the challenge of meeting the goals of delivering the hotspot, hospitality, MDU and Muni Wi-Fi markets is a bit outside our normal realm. We are used to owning our infrastructure and selling Internet

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
Isn't Clearwire's value irrelevent? If we have lots of extra money sitting around to invest, shouldn't we be investing it in ourselves for a higher return and less risk? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton

Re: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - ValuePoint Networks

2007-03-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
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RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Brad Belton
It's largely irrelevant to me as I don't own CLWR or have any immediate plans to own any shares. As for our industry I believe CLWR's value and performance could have some impact on future fixed wireless ventures public or private. Bankers and investors alike will look at CLWR and may be more

RE: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - ValuePoint Networks

2007-03-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Marlon, Youre starting to sound more and more like the AOL audio log on message ... Welcome! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Depends what the Cell co puts in, I have seen small Cell sites around here on 80' and 100' poles Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Peter R.
Tom DeReggi wrote: Isn't Clearwire's value irrelevent? If we have lots of extra money sitting around to invest, shouldn't we be investing it in ourselves for a higher return and less risk? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Actually, if you have lots of

[WISPA] clock

2007-03-14 Thread Peter R.
Tom, I think your PC or laptop clock is off. Did you ever reset or patch for Daylight Savings time this past Sunday AM? BTW, did anyone notice that recurring outlook appointments were messed up with the new DST? - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] A new tower for WISP and Cell Carrier?

2007-03-14 Thread RickG
When I was with ATT we budgeted $150k per 100' monopole... On 3/14/07, Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tower to support a cell carrier would easily approach $100,000 Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Jack Unger
And the stock market has been kept alive by the U.S Federal Reserve printing too much money (inflation of the money supply) and by the yen carry trade where people borrow money at 0.5% in Japan and invest it into stock markets where they hope to make 20% in speculative profits. This carry

RE: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-14 Thread Mark McElvy
There is a fix for Outlook also, you have to dl and run an app. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] clock Tom,

Re: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yeah its really wierd, I changed my clock 4 times today to reflect the right time, and it keeps jumping back to the old time. I just unchecked the adjust for daylight savings button, to see if it helps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original

Re: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-14 Thread George Rogato
Thats funny, didn't notice my clock off till just now. Is there something wrong with xp's clock? Tom DeReggi wrote: Yeah its really wierd, I changed my clock 4 times today to reflect the right time, and it keeps jumping back to the old time. I just unchecked the adjust for daylight savings

Re: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-14 Thread George Rogato
oh yeah, time.gov usually has the right time :) George Rogato wrote: Thats funny, didn't notice my clock off till just now. Is there something wrong with xp's clock? Tom DeReggi wrote: Yeah its really wierd, I changed my clock 4 times today to reflect the right time, and it keeps jumping

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping

2007-03-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
Brad, Excellent Point. The industry clearly needs more successes, not failures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14,

Re: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-14 Thread David Peterson
In case everyone missed it, Congress in it's mighty wisdom changed the dates of Daylight savings time. It was normally due two weeks from now. Go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com to update your old skool windoze boxes. Most OS's just use NTP to keep up to date. Check with your OS update

[WISPA] Walmart RFID update

2007-03-14 Thread Ray Jean
Hello Everyone Wanted to update you on our walmart rfid problem.We spent hours on monday trying to talk to someone on their rfid deployment team,we finally made contact.We were informed that it used the whole spectrum,had to run at full power and used circular polarity.They stated they were

Re: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Nash
Outlook with Exchange Server is different, as opposed to Outlook by itself. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update

2007-03-14 Thread RickG
Wow, so the bad PR worked, eh? When you meet their guy, let him know we just want to get along ;) - get his name number, invite him to dinner and make friends. It's always good to get a guy on the inside! On 3/14/07, Ray Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone Wanted to update you on our

Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update

2007-03-14 Thread Dylan Oliver
Congratulations on the change of heart you've found in Walmart. Did you happen to mention to them that you were posting complaints about their system in the Broadband Reports Forums, or did they discover this themselves? They must (or should) have a search appliance dedicated to sniffing out the

Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update

2007-03-14 Thread Carl A jeptha
Also report back what actually was done as I also have a walmart and a 900 system. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Dylan Oliver wrote: Congratulations on the change of heart you've found in