Re: [WISPA] PtP pricing

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
Whats the reliability factor? I've been thinking of adding fso for a couple links now for a couple years. Now I could put 100megs duplex to use rather than waste the spectrum. But how well does this stuff stand up? Haven't heard much about anyones experiences good or bad. is it 6 9's? does the

RE: [WISPA] PtP pricing

2007-03-16 Thread Stephen Patrick
Dear all, We're an FSO vendor - as well as our other radio and micrwoave products. Actually I feel we should pitch in on the LEDs vs lasers - a topic we know very well: - LEDs are limited in power and bandwidth (more than 50Mbps at reasonable power is a real problem for the raw LED devices) -

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed. -Matt Tim Wolfe wrote: Thank The good Lord above that I never signed the TelCove contract for bandwidth last year!. I mean, you really have no idea what the local provider was doing wrong, but to turn off a school district

Re: [WISPA] New WISPA Principal Member - Webjogger Internet Services

2007-03-16 Thread Mario Pommier
sometimes good things take a while to happen, but they do. it's a solacing idea. it's good to be here, Marlon. Mario Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Finally! grin Good to have you on the team Mario marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

RE: [WISPA] Friday Humor - A little early :)

2007-03-16 Thread Mac Dearman
Harnish, I can honestly say that I have never bought a single tube of any brand of bu++ paste. CAN YOU? :-) I do own a big yellow tube of unopened Boudreaux's that I see every day in one of my drawers in my bathroom. Every time I see it - - I think of you and it has formed a correlation to

RE: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread n7mfy
SAID is an arabic surname, we probably have another dimention to this that has not been explored yet. Could it be discrimination? or DHS? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:26 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? Thank The good Lord above

RE: [WISPA] New WISPA Members

2007-03-16 Thread Mac Dearman
I just wanted to say WELCOME ABOARD to all of the new principle WISPA members. It is good to see all of you here as we can all benefit from one another and the industry as a whole can be advanced due to all us being a member here. I already see things that have happened for our betterment due

[WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been installing outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would like to see fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems with the occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into it. We use the

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Rick Smith
Scotch Super 33 tape over the connectors, right close as you can get to the antenna, all the way down the lmr past where the rubber joint is - then mastic over that - then 33 again over the mastic. This is called a courtesy wrap, cause if you ever have to open it back up, you slice down to the

Re: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Mine has been right all along. Never changed a thing either. I'm guessing there's an update that you guys don't have? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Mac Dearman
Scriv, We always do the same thing and we have never had water issues. It is a simple way that a local HAM guy taught me. 1. Hand tighten the coax to the antenna 2. Wrap with 3M electric tape from bottom of fitting/heat shrink up to the base of the antenna (in that direction as it acts like

Re: [WISPA] PtP pricing

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
As far as I know, both are very good units. I know that some of the older plaintree gear had flaky tx/rx units that weren't aligned right at the factory. But I've sold a little bit of their stuff over the years and I don't remember any complaints. Other than the sheer size of the units, fso

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
The fact that there are now NOW isp's in that area means that this wasn't an option. We're on some l3 systems too. I've been told that they have a habit of just dropping locations. They are the ONLY facility in that area now that I shut down my lines and moved to them. I'm debating a move

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I'd not think so. L3 is doing this in other places as well. Sometimes we're too fast to look for ways to be offended :-). Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Ross Cornett
We are just reverse taping on the connectors, then mastic just past the connector and its rubber seal, then taping it up on the outside tighter on the N connector end to make sure it squeezes the mastic to the radio no problems yet... - Original Message - From: John Scrivner

Re: [WISPA] clock

2007-03-16 Thread David Peterson
As most of you know, Congress in a misguided effort to save us energy money, moved daylight savings time back 3 weeks from its original date. Unfortunately for windoze, an update needs to be downloaded. You can get it at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. The reason some people have the

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
Maybe it is very costly to do? Charter Pipeline service in my market is not multi-homed either. Neither am I at this point. I used to be multi-homed in the days when 2 T1s did the job. It is not easy to swing redundant fiber runs in a town that is 75 miles from the nearest telco-hotel. When I

Re: [WISPA] PtP pricing

2007-03-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
Stephen, Excellent post. I agree that every product has it's place. The industry is lucky to have so many options to choose from. The negative side is the options are often still expensive (perception of expense is relative :-) The reasons, is vendors put a value on their product based on

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
Thanks Rick. I will pass this along to our techs so they can start implementing this. I know they seal the heck out of things and it is really bizarre to me how any water is getting in there but it is. If they have questions about your process they may be contacting you directly. Many thanks,

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Chadd Thompson
Scriv, I use the tape-tape-tape method. First I wrap the connection very tight with a high quality electrical tape like 3M super88, then I wrap a layer of self sealing rubber tape 3M brand also, then a final layer of 3M super88. You need to make sure your wraps are tight. Also make sure

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread JohnnyO
I taught Rick this after he learned the hard way ! ;) CampWTF for life ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress Thanks

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Rick Smith
nod, WTF! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress I taught Rick this after he learned the hard way ! ;) CampWTF for life ! JohnnyO

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Chadd Thompson
Forgot to mention a side benefit do doing it this way is that I don't have to deal with mastic if I need to swap something out in the future. Usually I can unwrap the connection with little trouble, otherwise I slit it with a razor knife then peal it of nice and clean. Chadd -Original

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
Any particular type of antenna this is happening to? John Scrivner wrote: Thanks Rick. I will pass this along to our techs so they can start implementing this. I know they seal the heck out of things and it is really bizarre to me how any water is getting in there but it is. If they have

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Sure it is more costly than being single-homed, but being multi-homed is pretty important. If your single provider goes down what do you tell your customers? -Matt John Scrivner wrote: Maybe it is very costly to do? Charter Pipeline service in my market is not multi-homed either. Neither am

Re: [WISPA] PtP pricing

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
I wonder how much a set of Plaintree WBLS100 are? 100megs full duplex would do the trick for me. I'm only going across the street 100 yards or so. Twice. I need two sets of PtP links. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: As far as I know, both are very good units. I know that

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
See now that is the issue around here. If we want true redundancy we need to ride two different fibers out of town. One is the fiber we are already on, and the other is the expensive guys Qwest. We hate to give Qwest a dime. Matt Liotta wrote: Sure it is more costly than being

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed. Although, I recognize being multi-homed would have protected the WISP in this situation... That is not really the issue. The issue is that Businesses often build strategic partnerships, and togeather they grow. There is

RE: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Can you do a microwave shot from another town/provider? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone see this? See now that is the issue around

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'm going to have to argue with you guys The purpose of the Mastic tape is that it creates a bond that fills the nooks and cranties of the item that you are waterproofing. So that if the Super88 leaks, it can't get to the connector. The two biggest places water gets into the connection is

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Rick Smith
not if you squeeze the mastic up over the nut close to the antenna N connector, and over the ends of the tape near the heat wrap...then it's sealing off the courtesy wrap inside... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday,

RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread JohnnyO
Super33 or Super88 - Mastic - Super33 or Super88 This is how it should be done - this is how carriers do it, this is how old time ham operators do it Period ! Try to re-invent the wheel is asking for trouble Tape from the bottom to the top to form shingles JohnnyO -Original

[WISPA] Many thanks

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
I appreciate all the feedback on the moisture from all of you. I was not sure the proper way as I always used a completely different method in my CATV days. Our hard line was sealed with an adhesive lined heat shrink tubing. I actually saw water get into those connections too though so I was

Re: [WISPA] Many thanks

2007-03-16 Thread lakeland
John Site pro 1 has really great pricing for weatherproofing kits www.sitepro1.com Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:48:13 To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Many thanks I appreciate

RE: [WISPA] PtP pricing

2007-03-16 Thread Stephen Patrick
Thanks very much Tom. That is a very interesting subject indeed: I think you have a very good insight on the current broadband/gigabit marketplace, a very well written piece. MMW is currently high price - low volume and there are far fewer MMW deployments than FSO in the world so far AFAIK. Part

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
This is not something that is following a certain antenna type. It has more to do with the weather sealing technique than anything I think. I believe that the best practices for this are becoming clear from feedback we are seeing here and I sure appreciate everyone's feedback on this. Maybe

[WISPA] Re: Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Justin S. Wilson
Tape, Mastic, Tape. Watch the way the cell guys do it. They don't get fancy. Make sure your wraps are good. Electricians are actually taught how to wrap tape properly. We have some mastic from the local HVAC guys. Real easy to work with and it very pliable. Make sure to push the mastic in to the

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
sigh Larsen, when can you and I hook up and do a video of the RIGHT way to weather seal? hehehehe First, John, I'm gonna assume that your guys know nothing so please take no offence. The FIRST and MOST important step in a good water seal is the antenna! Jer would be quick to remind

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
I tell them the fiber is down. I guess I could go broke trying to be more fault tolerant. Please understand I appreciate your feedback but understand that my service area does not have a single fault tolerant broadband solution. If people want fault tolerance here then the option is to buy two

Re: [WISPA] Many thanks

2007-03-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Check out this. http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/14670691?c=914265ret=L2ZvcnVtL3JlbWFyaywxNDY1MTI2Mn5kYXlzPTk5OTl%2Bc3RhcnQ9MjA%3D The product I prefer for the conformal sealing in the pic is... http://www.sashcosealants.com/home_improvement/products/lexel.shtml Read the specs on that

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm going to have to argue with you guys That's easy. http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/14670691?c=914265ret=L2ZvcnVtL3JlbWFyaywxNDY1MTI2Mn5kYXlzPTk5OTl%2Bc3RhcnQ9MjA%3D Se how each layer comes down a little bit further? This method has worked great through

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
We started using Coax-Seal about two years ago and have never had a problem since. It's moldable so you wrap the connector and then form it around the connections. Quick, easy and cheap. Even on mountaintops at 9000ft elevation with 60mph winds and freezing rain/ice we have never had a

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm going to have to argue with you guys That's easy. http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/14670691?c=914265ret=L2ZvcnVtL3JlbWFyaywxNDY1MTI2Mn5kYXlzPTk5OTl%2Bc3RhcnQ9MjA%3D Oh, one more thing, I stop the reversed layer at the

[WISPA] outside connection

2007-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We sometimes have to move people's radios because of tree growth, changing towers, etc. The biggest pain is having to re-run the CAT5 cable because it won't reach. Has anyone ever seen some type of outdoor coupler or even something you could put around a normal coupler and just extend

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have never seen the stuff, but by looking it up, it looks like it is kind of like clay. It that true? Is it moldable like clay? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We started using Coax-Seal about two years ago and have never had a problem since. It's moldable so you wrap the connector and then

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Well, kind of... it's more like a soft rubbery compound. You can mold it into any shape and it's very easy to work with... the only problem is getting it back off when the temp is below zero... that takes a little work... ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have never seen the

RE: [WISPA] outside connection

2007-03-16 Thread Brad Belton
In the event we need to extend a CAT5 cable we use the 3M UY connectors. Keep the twist of each wire as close as possible and then tape, Coax-Seal and more tape. We've never had a problem with this method...knock on wood. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] outside connection

2007-03-16 Thread J. Vogel
I have used these with some success. http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=565-0107R=565%2D0107sid=45F9DE0075EFE17F John Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We sometimes have to move people's radios because of tree growth, changing towers, etc. The biggest pain is having to re-run

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed. Although, I recognize being multi-homed would have protected the WISP in this situation... That is not really the issue. The issue is that Businesses often build strategic partnerships, and togeather

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
I can't imagine you would go broke. I seem to recall that you aren't but a couple of radio shots away from cheap bandwidth in St. Louis. Certainly, a couple of long range high throughput radios wouldn't make you go broke. -Matt John Scrivner wrote: I tell them the fiber is down. I guess I

Re: [WISPA] outside connection

2007-03-16 Thread J. Vogel
*grin* The some success part was because they could yet fail, and I haven't used a lot of them. maybe 5 or 6. I have some out for a couple of years now, and have yet to have one fail, but I sure wouldn't want to bet my entire business case on them, or any other splice method either. :) John

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
You know, this really is the answer. Two different isp's I've had the customers over the years, that want 10- 9's because their business depends upon the internet, but then they don't want to pay an extra 30 - 40.00 per month to get it. John Scrivner wrote: I tell them the fiber is down.

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Matt Liotta
George Rogato wrote: You know, this really is the answer. Two different isp's I've had the customers over the years, that want 10- 9's because their business depends upon the internet, but then they don't want to pay an extra 30 - 40.00 per month to get it. So you would recommend to your

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
Matt Liotta wrote: George Rogato wrote: You know, this really is the answer. Two different isp's I've had the customers over the years, that want 10- 9's because their business depends upon the internet, but then they don't want to pay an extra 30 - 40.00 per month to get it. So you would

Re: [WISPA] Weatherproofing

2007-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Yeppers. The only things I'd have done differently is a little further down on the coax and a higher quality black tape. Something that would have laid down nicer. Nice work! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

RE: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I suppose it could be worse...this was a customer that we know from Honduras: http://www.bayislandsvoice.com/issue-v5-2.htm At least Level3 didn't come in with guns... Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday,

Re: [WISPA] Many thanks

2007-03-16 Thread RickG
Does that stuff come off if/when you need to remove it? I always use the manufacturer's recommendation: http://www.timesmicrowave.com/connectors/hdw_install.shtml -RickG On 3/16/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this.

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
Makes me happy to live in the USA Jeff Broadwick wrote: I suppose it could be worse...this was a customer that we know from Honduras: http://www.bayislandsvoice.com/issue-v5-2.htm At least Level3 didn't come in with guns... Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
Matt, Charter Pipeline in this market is not multi-homed. It costs me about $40K per year to be multi-homed. I do not see it as a necessity. That is MY opinion. It costs Joe User about $40 per month more to be multi-homed in my market. It is what I suggest to anyone who says they depend on

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Alan Cain
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I tried using silicone on the connectors but that eventually shrinks and there's something in it that corrodes the connectors. Bad idea. Acetic Acid (aka vinegar) is the byproduct of the curing process. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Thomas
Having a 4xT as a backup is better than no connection. John John Scrivner wrote: Maybe it is very costly to do? Charter Pipeline service in my market is not multi-homed either. Neither am I at this point. I used to be multi-homed in the days when 2 T1s did the job. It is not easy to

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Blair Davis
Same here. Coax Seal is GREAT!!! Travis Johnson wrote: We started using Coax-Seal about two years ago and have never had a problem since. It's moldable so you wrap the connector and then form it around the connections. Quick, easy and cheap. Even on mountaintops at 9000ft elevation

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Just a couple quick points... You mentioned you are 75 miles from the nearest telco-hotel. We are 200 miles from the nearest telco POP. There are ways to be redundant in these rural markets without it costing you a fortune. Next, being multi-homed is different than a redundant links to

Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Scrivner
As I stated earlier I appreciate everyone's ideas but last I checked I run my own business. Everyone can do their business however they wish. I do not consider the fiber connection I have to be the weak point in my network. There are several points of failure in an ISP including your system I

[WISPA] Tranzeo WDS?

2007-03-16 Thread Jim Stout
Does anyone have any experience using Tranzeo's WDS to extend the reach of an AP? I'm using a TR6000 in bridge mode and would like extend my reach to another neighborhood! Still have space on the T1 and the customers keep coming! Thanks to everyone for your help! Jim Jim Stout LTO

[WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

2007-03-16 Thread Scott Reed
Who supplies pre-terminated (N connectors) cables in the 70 to 150' range using LMR 600, LMR900 and/or Heliax? Looking to move radios to the bottom of towers. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless

Re: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

2007-03-16 Thread George Rogato
Scott Reed wrote: Who supplies pre-terminated (N connectors) cables in the 70 to 150' range using LMR 600, LMR900 and/or Heliax? Looking to move radios to the bottom of towers. You can buy them preterminated from electro-comm.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Mario Pommier
Where do you get it? Mario Blair Davis wrote: Same here. Coax Seal is GREAT!!! Travis Johnson wrote: We started using Coax-Seal about two years ago and have never had a problem since. It's moldable so you wrap the connector and then form it around the connections. Quick, easy and

Re: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

2007-03-16 Thread Mario Pommier
Smart move!!! When at all possible, we do that: active elements inside, inactive antenna outside. Design your grounding properly (NOT A MINOR ACHIEVEMENT!!!) and you're set: EVERYTHING goes to 1 common ground, coax lightning kits (outdoors) and in line lightning arrestors (indoors) go to

Re: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

2007-03-16 Thread Scott Reed
Yep, that is where I want head. Where do you get your cables? Mario Pommier wrote: Smart move!!! When at all possible, we do that: active elements inside, inactive antenna outside. Design your grounding properly (NOT A MINOR ACHIEVEMENT!!!) and you're set: EVERYTHING goes to 1 common

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marlon, Now thats a good explanation of how to do waterproofing correctly, that you made. The secret to good waterproofing is the right amount of stretch of the Mastic tape. Its the stretch that allows the tape to optimally bond to its surface and fill the gaps. Just pushing the goop in

Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
There are a lot of places that sell it... I buy it from Electrocomm in the large rolls. I think it's 1/2 wide by 12ft long for $7 each... we use about 6 inches per seal... so that's 24 seals for roughly $.30 each. Here is the actual website: http://www.coaxseal.com They have a list of

Re: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

2007-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
I'm sure you've already checked all the numbers, but even with LMR900 at 5.8ghz there can be a great deal of loss: LMR-600 going 100ft at 5.8ghz = 8db of loss LMR-900 going 100ft at 5.8ghz = 6db of loss We have switched some of our backhaul links to this same setup (radio inside, LMR-400

Re: [WISPA] Many thanks

2007-03-16 Thread Tim Wolfe
FYI, I only use GeoCel on roofs and mast mounts, NOT radio connectors. ;-) Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Check out this. http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/14670691?c=914265ret=L2ZvcnVtL3JlbWFyaywxNDY1MTI2Mn5kYXlzPTk5OTl%2Bc3RhcnQ9MjA%3D The product I prefer for the conformal sealing in

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-16 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Rick Smith wrote: Is there anywhere online that actually states WHAT we will need to provide ? I.e. data format, etc. - It was my impression that this was still under discussion at the FBI... The exact format and method of delivery has not been decided. There are

Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-16 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, wispa wrote: There is a specific data format, called LAES, which is an acronym for something or other. LAES is a delivery protocol, not data format. As best I can tell, this format costs a license fee if you wish to program something to use it. Thus, NO OPEN SOURCE IS