Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-13 Thread Jim Stout

Thanks to all for the feedback!

I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking 
over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated, so 
I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the maximum 
transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it 
associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued dropping 
the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I also reduced 
the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer hasn't used it 
much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00 last night.


Marlon,

The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ 
family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this install, 
they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the multipath 
phenomenon?


Thanks, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

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From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

Your signal level is actually much too high.

Try two things to test my theory.

Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and 
get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more reasonable.


Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe 
hpol.


Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know 
of)


How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB 
ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just stop 
talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the 
*ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe is 
being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe.  No 
cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different 
networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas, 
different cpe etc.


The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape data 
cpe radios.


laters,
marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my 
tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal 
strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the 
radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio 
intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply 
fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR. 
I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of 
firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their 
recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this 
client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in the 
LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's almost like 
an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.


Thanks, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager
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[WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread chris cooper

What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a
Trango 900 Mhz AP?

Thanks
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RE: [WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread Smith, Rick
depending on noise floor, we get anywhere from 1 to 2.7 meg.

Highest I've EVER seen was 2.85 mbps - 2 miles out, with -59 signal. 

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What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a
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Re: [WISPA] Testing....123

2007-04-13 Thread Kelly Turner
Hey Jeff, 

Send me an email; we've got some unifinished business
to attend to.

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[WISPA] Storm Trojan outbreaks

2007-04-13 Thread Frank Muto


Storm Trojan reaches record proportions
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Malware outbreak 'largest in almost a year'
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RE: [WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread Chadd Thompson
Sounds about right, the other thing with higher noise levels is that you
will have packet loss. You can still have good throughput but you will have
packet loss.

Chadd 

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 depending on noise floor, we get anywhere from 1 to 2.7 meg.
 
 Highest I've EVER seen was 2.85 mbps - 2 miles out, with -59 signal.
 
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 What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a
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[WISPA] Multipath

2007-04-13 Thread Edward J. Hatfield III
Jim:

 

The term multipath is commonly used to describe the condition wherein a
sent signal arrives at an antenna through more than one path (by something
in addition to or other than a non-obstructed, line-of-sight link).
Microwave signals are subject to a number of degradation modes including
reflection, diffraction and diffusion-if you apply those terms and physical
conditions to light waves, some of the concepts may become clearer than at
first blush.

 

I like to explain multipath this way: If you have ever watched analog
broadcast TV signals being delivered by an antenna, you have probably seen
channels with ghosts (shadows) in the pictures. This occurs when the signal
arrives at the antenna both directly and also having been bounced off one or
more reflective surfaces enroute. The bouncing produces slight delays
(among other propagation glitches) forcing the receiver to try to process
and display the same information multiple times in each frame.

 

While the effect of this problem is annoying in an analog video environment,
it can be 'fatal' in a digital data context. Phase shifts, slightly delayed
reception of the same packets, etc. can all translate as noise, and can
kill the link altogether.

 

Unfortunately there is a lot more to be concerned with in a digital
microwave system than signal level alone, even though having too much or too
little signal can itself be a show stopper. Signal quality is difficult to
quantify without proper equipment but quality problems are no less deadly
than levels problems.

 

Hope this helps, as quick and dirty as it is. Best, Ted

 

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-Original Message-
From: Jim Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:37 AM
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Marlon,

 

The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ 

family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this install,


they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the multipath 

phenomenon?

 

Thanks, Jim

 

Jim Stout

LTO Communications, LLC

15701 Henry Andrews Dr

Pleasant Hill, MO 64080

(816) 305-1076 - Mobile

(816) 497-0033 - Pager

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[WISPA] Vonage wins temporary reprieve against signing up new customers

2007-04-13 Thread Rich Comroe
Latest New Vonage news from yesterday:

Vonage CEO resigns, cost-cutting moves planned
contains the interesting quotation:
... on Friday it won a temporary reprieve from a court order prohibiting it 
from signing up new customers ... at least until April 24 when the next 
hearing occurs.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/041207-vonage-ceo-resigns-cost-cutting-moves.html?t51hbcompany=

Which Verizon patents did Vonage violate?
The Verizon patents at issue cover technology for transferring voice calls, 
supporting features such as call waiting, and providing wireless handset 
support for VoIP customers.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/041007-verizon-patents-vonage.html?t51hbcompany=

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[WISPA] Muni Pile On Week

2007-04-13 Thread Peter R.

I'm sure many of you will love this article:
http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007545.html
and many more including mine:  
http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/04/muni-pile-on-week.html


Although I think that if Muni wi-fi fails, the WISP industry as a whole 
will take a hit.


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Re: [WISPA] Vonage wins temporary reprieve against signing up new customers

2007-04-13 Thread Peter R.

Turns out that VZ may not be the patent holder.

Tom Keating has some interesting insight.
And there is this patent: http://sabreean.com/?p=1421#more-1421


Rich Comroe wrote:


Latest New Vonage news from yesterday:

Vonage CEO resigns, cost-cutting moves planned
contains the interesting quotation:
... on Friday it won a temporary reprieve from a court order prohibiting it from 
signing up new customers ... at least until April 24 when the next hearing occurs.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/041207-vonage-ceo-resigns-cost-cutting-moves.html?t51hbcompany=

Which Verizon patents did Vonage violate?
The Verizon patents at issue cover technology for transferring voice calls, 
supporting features such as call waiting, and providing wireless handset 
support for VoIP customers.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/041007-verizon-patents-vonage.html?t51hbcompany=

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Re: [WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread Jack Unger
... and packet loss requires the packets to be retransmitted which takes 
up additional timeslots which leads to a lowering of the overall 
throughput capacity because some of the throughput-carrying timeslots 
are used up by the retransmissions and therefore aren't available to 
transport throughput ...


Chadd Thompson wrote:

Sounds about right, the other thing with higher noise levels is that you
will have packet loss. You can still have good throughput but you will have
packet loss.

Chadd 


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depending on noise floor, we get anywhere from 1 to 2.7 meg.

Highest I've EVER seen was 2.85 mbps - 2 miles out, with -59 signal.

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What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a
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Thanks
Chris

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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  I like 
them so far.


Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a completely 
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it can 
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves just keep 
bouncing around and around and around.


OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



Thanks to all for the feedback!

I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking 
over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated, 
so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the maximum 
transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it 
associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued 
dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I 
also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer 
hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00 
last night.


Marlon,

The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ 
family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this 
install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the 
multipath phenomenon?


Thanks, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

Your signal level is actually much too high.

Try two things to test my theory.

Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and 
get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more 
reasonable.


Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe 
hpol.


Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know 
of)


How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB 
ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just stop 
talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the 
*ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe is 
being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe.  No 
cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different 
networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas, 
different cpe etc.


The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape data 
cpe radios.


laters,
marlon

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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my 
tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal 
strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the 
radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio 
intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply 
fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR. 
I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of 
firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their 
recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this 
client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in 
the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's almost 
like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.


Thanks, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager
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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-13 Thread Zack Kneisley

So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  I like
them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves just keep
bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

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From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Thanks to all for the feedback!

 I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking
 over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated,
 so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the maximum
 transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it
 associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
 dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I
 also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer
 hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00
 last night.

 Marlon,

 The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ
 family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
 install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
 multipath phenomenon?

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

 Your signal level is actually much too high.

 Try two things to test my theory.

 Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and
 get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
 reasonable.

 Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe
 hpol.

 Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know
 of)

 How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB
 ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just stop
 talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the
 *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe is
 being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe.  No
 cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
 networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas,
 different cpe etc.

 The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape data
 cpe radios.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

 I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
 tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
 strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the
 radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio
 intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply
 fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR.
 I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
 firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
 recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this
 client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in
 the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's almost
 like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager
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Re: [WISPA] Project locate

2007-04-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

I don't know about the relativeness Blake.  I don't know what the topic is.

If anyone else got a link in that first email I didn't...

Can anyone put this project into a 50 words or less summery?

thanks,
marlon

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I guess as the emails says the report on project locate,
the APCO project to speed along wireless phase II, and
how it will apply to the WSP community, will be available
in the next two weeks.
http://www.locatemodelcities.org/


Some feel that this is of great interest to the VoIP
providers.

Sorry if it was something that was not apropiate for the
list.


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and?

I don't know what this is.
marlon

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FROM ANOTHER LIST



From Stephen Wisely for Nancy Pollock, Chair of Project LOCATE.


Brenda and all - the APCO Project LOCATE testing work and analysis of 
test results has been completed and the results report document drafted. 
APCO Project LOCATE and the Wireless Service Provider (WSP) community 
have been meeting over the past 18 months to analyze results and a 
supplemental test was conducted in one test area to provide more data and 
information.  We are putting the finishing touches on it and proofing the 
document so it should be to the printer very shortly.  When the final 
editing is done it will also be available on the APCO web site.  No doubt 
you saw FCC Chairman Martin's recent remarks about the same topic.


The report contains information on how the testing was conducted, the 
results of the testing and what it means to public safety response and 
interpretation of the location information received at the PSAP, and 
nearly 100 effective practices that should help both public safety and 
WSP's with effective Phase II deployments in their jurisdictions.


Check back to the APCO web site in about a week or so. Any questions or 
comments should be sent to:

Stephen J. Wisely
APCO International
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[WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. 
Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a 
cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there were 2500 
for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  It's a 
great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be roughly 6000 
people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke.

marlon

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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck 
to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me 
as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile 
Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke.

marlon



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RE: [WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread Chadd Thompson
Yes the noise will definitely reduce the capacity on your AP.

Chadd

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 ... and packet loss requires the packets to be retransmitted which takes
 up additional timeslots which leads to a lowering of the overall
 throughput capacity because some of the throughput-carrying timeslots
 are used up by the retransmissions and therefore aren't available to
 transport throughput ...
 
 Chadd Thompson wrote:
  Sounds about right, the other thing with higher noise levels is that you
  will have packet loss. You can still have good throughput but you will
 have
  packet loss.
 
  Chadd
 

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[WISPA] FCC Denies Request to Use Satellite Earth Station for Terrestrial Service

2007-04-13 Thread Jack Unger


http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0115/t.4857.html


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Re: [WISPA] Vonage wins temporary reprieve against signing up new customers

2007-04-13 Thread George Rogato

Peter R. wrote:

Turns out that VZ may not be the patent holder.

Tom Keating has some interesting insight.
And there is this patent: http://sabreean.com/?p=1421#more-1421


Yikes, Vonage gets whacked around from Verizon and what happens if it 
turns out Verizon is not the patent holder?


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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread John Scrivner

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke 
for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon




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[WISPA] Happy Marlon Schafer Day!

2007-04-13 Thread John Scrivner
Sounds like a good time Marlon. You have worked your tail end off 
lately. Have some fun. Enjoy YOUR day!


I hereby proclaim this day, April 13th, to be Marlon Schafer Day in the 
WISP world. Not that my proclamations mean anything!   :-)We'll see 
if anyone remembers this one next year. Happy Marlon Schafer Day! Who 
knows, maybe this will spread!

Scriv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile 
Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke.

marlon


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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke 
for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly 
sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits 
in the middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon





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Re: [WISPA] Happy Marlon Schafer Day!

2007-04-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

He could have picked a better day, considering this is Friday the 13th.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:
Sounds like a good time Marlon. You have worked your tail end off 
lately. Have some fun. Enjoy YOUR day!


I hereby proclaim this day, April 13th, to be Marlon Schafer Day in 
the WISP world. Not that my proclamations mean anything!   :-)
We'll see if anyone remembers this one next year. Happy Marlon Schafer 
Day! Who knows, maybe this will spread!

Scriv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon



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RE: [WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread Don Annas
We are seeing 2.2mb of actual throughput. 

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What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a Trango
900 Mhz AP?

Thanks
Chris

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Re: [WISPA] MuniFi: Build it and they still don’t come ?

2007-04-13 Thread michaeldavidlake
interesting article Matt TY.
 
Mike 
 
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http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/munifi-build-it-and-they-still-dont-come/ 
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[WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-13 Thread Ron Wallace
To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when 
I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly 
windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a 
MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.
Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Good for you, Marlon, have a great weekend.

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 03:15 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. 
Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a 
cow pasture.

http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 
for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race.

There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a 
great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 
people just outside of our town of 900.

Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke.

marlon

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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Travis,
YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 
2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that 
iswhen itsslow.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Hi,

What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you
by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?

Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now 
 when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and 
 quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. 
 I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.
 Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
 Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
 PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-13 Thread Travis Johnson




What version of MT? What do the interface stats show on the MT box when
it's slow?

Travis


Ron Wallace wrote:

  Travis,
YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that iswhen itsslow. 

  
  
-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Hi,

What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you 
by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?

Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:


  To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. 
Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. 
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-13 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you 
by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?


Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:

To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. 
Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. 
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.

PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

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RE: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-13 Thread Eric Rogers
I use MT 2.9.32 currently on my Dell PowerEdge 350 (850 MHz w/ 512M Memory).  I 
am constantly pegging 6M of throughput, and that is around 2-8% CPU 
utilization.  
 
I have two guesses...
1) you are creating a network loop between switches (either 2 MT boxes or a MT 
box and a cat5 cable between the switches).  This would start out working fine, 
but then as utilization goes up the network is brought to it's knees.
2)  There is a duplex mis-match.  You can't force one side if the other side is 
auto-negotiating.  The only way to tell this is to have a managed switch and 
look at the errors.
 
From the way it sounds, I would put money on guess 1.
 
Eric



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router



Travis,
YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 
2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that 
iswhen itsslow.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Hi,

What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you
by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?

Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now 
 when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and 
 quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. 
 I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.
 Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
 Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
 PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

LOL

If only it didn't realistically need a -50somthing rssi!  hehehehe
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  I 
like

them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it 
can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves just 
keep

bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Thanks to all for the feedback!

 I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now 
 looking
 over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't 
 associated,
 so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the 
 maximum

 transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it
 associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
 dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I
 also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer
 hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 
 9:00

 last night.

 Marlon,

 The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ
 family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
 install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
 multipath phenomenon?

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

 Your signal level is actually much too high.

 Try two things to test my theory.

 Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off 
 and

 get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
 reasonable.

 Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe
 hpol.

 Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I 
 know

 of)

 How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB
 ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just 
 stop
 talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until 
 the
 *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe 
 is
 being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. 
 No

 cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
 networks with different towns, different upstreams, different 
 antennas,

 different cpe etc.

 The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape 
 data

 cpe radios.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

 I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
 tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
 strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the
 radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio
 intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply
 fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR.
 I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
 firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
 recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this
 client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in
 the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's 
 almost

 like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager
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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

A few months?  Are you finally going to give the boy a little sister?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!



Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck to 
the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me as it 
will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there were 
2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday 
race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  It's a 
great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be roughly 6000 
people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke.

marlon



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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

wow!

14 years apart.  Congrats!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!



Scriv,

There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke 
for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly 
sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits 
in the middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon





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Re: [WISPA] Happy Marlon Schafer Day!

2007-04-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

LOL

You expect anything else from me?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Marlon Schafer Day!



Scriv,

He could have picked a better day, considering this is Friday the 13th.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:
Sounds like a good time Marlon. You have worked your tail end off 
lately. Have some fun. Enjoy YOUR day!


I hereby proclaim this day, April 13th, to be Marlon Schafer Day in 
the WISP world. Not that my proclamations mean anything!   :-)
We'll see if anyone remembers this one next year. Happy Marlon Schafer 
Day! Who knows, maybe this will spread!

Scriv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon



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