Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-14 Thread Sam Tetherow

woohoo, congrats Dawn and Ken!

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scriv,

There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke 
for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly 
sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that 
sits in the middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon







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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Sam Tetherow
Ron, when I was at 2xT1 I was running it through a RB230 without any 
issues for BW shaping (only  a couple of queues).  I don't think it is 
MT in particular that is the problem.  Could be the specific hardware 
that is the issue though.


I am currently running 45MB through a 3.0GHz MT box with an SBE 
interface and it handles the bandwidth just fine, although I am having 
some locking problems from time to time, but I think they are related to 
the sbe DS3 card as opposed to MT itself.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Ron Wallace wrote:

To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. 
Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. 
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.

PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  


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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Ron Wallace
Version 2.9.32- Travis - I don't know much about routers/MT. When you say 
Interface Stats do you mean looking at the Interface List? If so, it shows like 
1/2 loaded, max.
-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

What version of MT? What do the interface stats show on the MT box when it's 
slow?

Travis


Ron Wallace wrote: Travis,YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the 
MT box. On the Inet side, 2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box 
whenit seems loaded, that iswhen itsslow. -Original Message-From: 
Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PMTo: 
'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT RouterHi,What 
do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you by-pass the MT 
box, everything is fine?TravisMicroservRon Wallace wrote: To All,I have had a 
good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed 
test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 
kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 
900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. Any ideas, 
Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.PLEASE HELP, I'M A 
DUNCE.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: 
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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes... MT in combination with the SBE card will cause lockups. Never 
found a fix, instead just had to replace with a different solution.


Travis
Microserv

Sam Tetherow wrote:
Ron, when I was at 2xT1 I was running it through a RB230 without any 
issues for BW shaping (only  a couple of queues).  I don't think it is 
MT in particular that is the problem.  Could be the specific hardware 
that is the issue though.


I am currently running 45MB through a 3.0GHz MT box with an SBE 
interface and it handles the bandwidth just fine, although I am having 
some locking problems from time to time, but I think they are related 
to the sbe DS3 card as opposed to MT itself.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Ron Wallace wrote:

To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right 
now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps 
and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and 
from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. 
Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. Any ideas, Mycustopmers are 
pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.

PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220
Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  



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RE: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Sam,

Curious if both DS3 cards have the lockup problem?  You do still have two of
them, right? If so, it is unlikely you have two bad DS3 cards.  Especially
because if they are the ones you bought from me I know they are good!
grin

We never had any trouble with them interfacing our ATT DS3s.  Sure sounds
like a hardware issue or possibly MikroTik made a change in their code that
now causes this problem.  MikroTik has been known to make a change in their
drivers (unknowingly) and render an entire revision of make and model
interface useless.  Happened to us with Intel SC Fiber adapters.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Ron, when I was at 2xT1 I was running it through a RB230 without any 
issues for BW shaping (only  a couple of queues).  I don't think it is 
MT in particular that is the problem.  Could be the specific hardware 
that is the issue though.

I am currently running 45MB through a 3.0GHz MT box with an SBE 
interface and it handles the bandwidth just fine, although I am having 
some locking problems from time to time, but I think they are related to 
the sbe DS3 card as opposed to MT itself.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now
when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and
quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM.
I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. 
 Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. 
 Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
 PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)605-4542 
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

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RE: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Brad Belton
Wow, then it has to be a MikroTik issue.  We ran them under v2.8.x for
better than a year (or two?) can't remember that far back these days it
seems!  sigh

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Yes... MT in combination with the SBE card will cause lockups. Never 
found a fix, instead just had to replace with a different solution.

Travis
Microserv

Sam Tetherow wrote:
 Ron, when I was at 2xT1 I was running it through a RB230 without any 
 issues for BW shaping (only  a couple of queues).  I don't think it is 
 MT in particular that is the problem.  Could be the specific hardware 
 that is the issue though.

 I am currently running 45MB through a 3.0GHz MT box with an SBE 
 interface and it handles the bandwidth just fine, although I am having 
 some locking problems from time to time, but I think they are related 
 to the sbe DS3 card as opposed to MT itself.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

 Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right 
 now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps 
 and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and 
 from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. 
 Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. Any ideas, Mycustopmers are 
 pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
 PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

 Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220
 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Ron Wallace
Travis, Phil, Bob, Tom, Eric, Sam,  Brad;
Thank you guys so much, I disconnected all the users and still have the problem 
across the router. So now I will replace theoffending device and see how that 
works.
Thanks to each of you for your help.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: Eric Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 07:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

I use MT 2.9.32 currently on my Dell PowerEdge 350 (850 MHz w/ 512M Memory). I 
am constantly pegging 6M of throughput, and that is around 2-8% CPU 
utilization.

I have two guesses...
1) you are creating a network loop between switches (either 2 MT boxes or a MT 
box and a cat5 cable between the switches). This would start out working fine, 
but then as utilization goes up the network is brought to it's knees.
2) There is a duplex mis-match. You can't force one side if the other side is 
auto-negotiating. The only way to tell this is to have a managed switch and 
look at the errors.

From the way it sounds, I would put money on guess 1.

Eric



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ron Wallace
Sent: Fri 4/13/2007 5:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router



Travis,
YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 
2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that 
iswhen itsslow.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Hi,

What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you
by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?

Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now 
 when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and 
 quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 
 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.
 Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
 Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
 PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread David Sovereen
We use SBE DS-3 cards and have had zero lockups.  Currently on MT 2.9.41. 
Been running with them for about 6 months, knock on wood.  We have them on 
SuperMicro hardware, which tends to be pretty stable.  I mention that only 
in case it is an issue of card and motherboard combination.


Dave

- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router


Hello Sam,

Curious if both DS3 cards have the lockup problem?  You do still have two of
them, right? If so, it is unlikely you have two bad DS3 cards.  Especially
because if they are the ones you bought from me I know they are good!
grin

We never had any trouble with them interfacing our ATT DS3s.  Sure sounds
like a hardware issue or possibly MikroTik made a change in their code that
now causes this problem.  MikroTik has been known to make a change in their
drivers (unknowingly) and render an entire revision of make and model
interface useless.  Happened to us with Intel SC Fiber adapters.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Ron, when I was at 2xT1 I was running it through a RB230 without any
issues for BW shaping (only  a couple of queues).  I don't think it is
MT in particular that is the problem.  Could be the specific hardware
that is the issue though.

I am currently running 45MB through a 3.0GHz MT box with an SBE
interface and it handles the bandwidth just fine, although I am having
some locking problems from time to time, but I think they are related to
the sbe DS3 card as opposed to MT itself.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Ron Wallace wrote:

To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now

when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and
quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM.
I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.

Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-14 Thread Jim Stout

Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth?
Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - 
From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  I 
like

them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it 
can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves just 
keep

bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Thanks to all for the feedback!

 I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now 
 looking
 over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't 
 associated,
 so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the 
 maximum

 transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it
 associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
 dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I
 also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer
 hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 
 9:00

 last night.

 Marlon,

 The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ
 family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
 install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
 multipath phenomenon?

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

 Your signal level is actually much too high.

 Try two things to test my theory.

 Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off 
 and

 get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
 reasonable.

 Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe
 hpol.

 Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I 
 know

 of)

 How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB
 ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just 
 stop
 talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until 
 the
 *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe 
 is
 being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. 
 No

 cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
 networks with different towns, different upstreams, different 
 antennas,

 different cpe etc.

 The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape 
 data

 cpe radios.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

 I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
 tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
 strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the
 radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio
 intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply
 fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR.
 I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
 firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
 recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this
 client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in
 the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's 
 almost

 like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager
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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-14 Thread Mario Pommier

Has anyone tried the OFDM Tranzeo 900Mhz?
What have your results been?

Mario

Jim Stout wrote:

Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth?
Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  
I like

them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a 
completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that 
it can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves 
just keep

bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Thanks to all for the feedback!

 I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now  
looking
 over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't  
associated,
 so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the 
 maximum
 transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  
Once it

 associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
 dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 
dBm.  I
 also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The 
customer
 hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful 
since  9:00

 last night.

 Marlon,

 The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of 
the CPQ

 family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
 install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
 multipath phenomenon?

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

 Your signal level is actually much too high.

 Try two things to test my theory.

 Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal 
off  and

 get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
 reasonable.

 Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the 
cpe

 hpol.

 Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe 
I  know

 of)

 How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening 
with SB
 ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will 
just  stop
 talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap 
until  the
 *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the 
cpe  is
 being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the 
cpe.  No

 cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
 networks with different towns, different upstreams, different  
antennas,

 different cpe etc.

 The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and 
inscape  data

 cpe radios.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

 I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
 tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
 strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when 
the
 radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the 
radio
 intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, 
simply
 fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a 
POR.

 I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
 firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
 recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between 
this
 client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power 
line in
 the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's 
 almost

 like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager
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[WISPA] Fw: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the stumpjumpers run?

2007-04-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

Man, a guy's just gotta love stuff like this!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Reuben L.

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the stumpjumpers 
run?



Marlon, I gotta say- this is beyond cool.  I'm linked up, 5 outta 5 bars, 
sittin' in a metal trailer, in the middle of a cowfield outside of Odessa, 
wa, and checkin' my email and ebay and Stumpjumpers info and whatever else I 
feel like.   awesome. thanks again, man...

  ~Reuben






From:  Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  Reuben L. 
Subject:  Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the 
stumpjumpers run?

Date:  Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:53:26 -0700

- Original Message - From: Reuben L.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the stumpjumpers 
run?



real antennas and cables are cheap.
yeah, I know- but towers are not!   or maybe they are, hell, I don't know! 
18 miles is awesome.


mks:  LOL, buildings on the top of a hill are mostly what I use.  Trading 
out an account to a farmer in exchange for a bit of electricity sure helps 
keep the costs down.


but  ...can you cook a lasagne in front of the transmitter dish??

mks:  Nope.  We're allowed less radio output than your cell phone.  In fact, 
counting the antenna gain I'm only legally allowed 4 watts at the base 
station.  Most of my customer end gear is under 30 watts.


is your trailer easy to spot?  I've already told one riding buddy about your 
wifi setup, and he's bringing his laptop, too...


mks:  It's the really little one up on the top of the hill overlooking 
everything.  I put a picnic table in in case people can't get the signal 
from down in their campers.

marlon

 ~Reuben







From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Reuben L. 
Subject: Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the stumpjumpers 
run?

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:27:20 -0700


grin

real antennas and cables are cheap.  I've got links that pull nearly a meg 
at 18 miles!


Stop up at the trailer on the hill and say hello if you get a chance.

- Original Message - From: Reuben L.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the stumpjumpers 
run?




well, I'm pretty geeky, too- but I've also had a dirt bike for a couple 
decades!

you have to have a balance, after all...
well, congrats on finishing on a borrowed machine...!   I think you should 
do the same this year...
(and 10 miles- that's awesome! I made some parabolic cardboard/foam/tin-foil 
signal boosters for my friend's house/shop link- but it only had to go a few 
hundred feet...!)

  ~R.










From:  Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  Reuben L. 
Subject:  Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the 
stumpjumpers run?

Date:  Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:45:45 -0700

- Original Message - From: Reuben L.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the stumpjumpers 
run?




well, that's a great contribution! thank you in advance for that, 
Marlon...


mks:  Glad to help.

 now, from poking around on your site- I'm assuming you have a sequence of 
towers to get the signal out there from wherever-it's-coming-from?  (never 
been to Odessa myself, so I'm not sure how far out the King property is)


mks:  That's correct.  It's about 10 miles from town.

I just sold my good laptop- but I have an old klunker win98 laptop with a 
usb wireless card, so- should be good...!


mks:  Yeppers.  Park as close to the entry way to the race as you can get 
:-)


(...are you going to have a dirtbike out there, too, and join in that 
madness?!?  )


mks:  I don't have a bike.  I ran the 100 last year.  I'm told I'm the first 
local to finish the race!  Bout killed me.  I'm a computer geek after all. 
On a borrowed bike!  grin


keep those power supplies hummin'...!

mks:  For sure!

  ~Reuben

ps- maybe you would know- does a Verizon phone work out there?? NOW I'm 
probably asking for too much...!


mks:  Believe it or not, it should work.

See ya soon.
marlon

   ~R.





From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Reuben L. 
Subject: Re: ...just wondering about the wireless setup for the stumpjumpers 
run?

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:46:35 -0700


HI Reuben,

Yesterday, it didn't. Somehow blew a power supply on one of the radios. Hope 
that's not gonna be a habit this year!  grin


You'll be able to use your laptop.  If it won't work from your trailer just 
come up to mine and sit on the table I set up.  The network is called free 
and it is just that.  Free.


I hope that helps!
marlon

- Original Message - From: Reuben L.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: ...just 

Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've not had any luck with different antennas.  I just move the system 
around will I find a spot that works well.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth?
Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - 
From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  I 
like

them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a 
completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it 
can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves just 
keep

bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

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From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Thanks to all for the feedback!

 I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now 
 looking
 over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't 
 associated,
 so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the 
 maximum

 transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it
 associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
 dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm. 
 I

 also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer
 hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 
 9:00

 last night.

 Marlon,

 The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the 
 CPQ

 family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
 install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
 multipath phenomenon?

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

 Your signal level is actually much too high.

 Try two things to test my theory.

 Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off 
 and

 get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
 reasonable.

 Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe
 hpol.

 Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I 
 know

 of)

 How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with 
 SB
 ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just 
 stop
 talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until 
 the
 *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe 
 is
 being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. 
 No

 cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
 networks with different towns, different upstreams, different 
 antennas,

 different cpe etc.

 The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape 
 data

 cpe radios.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

 I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
 tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
 strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the
 radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the 
 radio

 intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply
 fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a 
 POR.

 I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
 firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
 recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between 
 this
 client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line 
 in
 the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's 
 almost

 like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 

[WISPA] what does this?

2007-04-14 Thread wispa

Within a few minutes of each other, I got calls from opposite ends of my 
network complaining about outages.   Really odd, I thought, as I was in the 
middle of checking out some  things.  

The short of it is as follows:  Sometime yesterday, not exactly sure what 
time, two backbone links suddenly began going up and down, 5 sec up, 5 sec 
down.   One is 10 miles long, runs due east west from the east end of town 
into the mountains.   The other is 10 miles south and somewhat west of the 
other one, and runs north-south, with the north end somewhat west of the 
south end.  

The only common factor?   Both were on 5805.About 2 months ago, both were 
down suddenly, and I had to move both from 5745 to 5805, all frequencies in 
between were so hot I could not establish a link with a rssi of -72. Again, 
the links end are 10 miles apart at their closest ends and run about 170 
degrees angle from each other.   

Today, 5745 is clear and clean with no apparent issues as I have an AP on it 
carrying 20 customers over looking the only common area between the two 
links, 5805 is buried, over a span of 30 miles.  The pattern was obvious...  
about 5 seconds of no data moving, 5 seconds fine, steady pattern going on 
and on and on.  About 50% ping loss, with the 1-ping-per-second showing 5 
good, 5 missed, 5 good, 5 missed.  

What could possibly be that strong that it can take down such widely spread 
apart links?   In both cases, there is considerable elevation change, such 
that low ends see nothing but dirt and sky (there's NOTHING but mountains 
and clear sky beyond my higher elevation sites in both cases) beyond their 
respective other ends, and that the far ends have considerable downtilt and 
their respective beam patterns do not intersect, but instead, point into dirt.

Something has to be so strong that it takes down the links from OUTSIDE of 
the beam patterns of 26 db (or higher) grids.  




Mark Koskenmaki   Neofast, Inc
Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
541-969-8200

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RE: [WISPA] what does this?

2007-04-14 Thread Smith, Rick
Airport radar gone out of control ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of wispa
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] what does this?


Within a few minutes of each other, I got calls from opposite ends of my

network complaining about outages.   Really odd, I thought, as I was in
the 
middle of checking out some  things.  

The short of it is as follows:  Sometime yesterday, not exactly sure
what 
time, two backbone links suddenly began going up and down, 5 sec up, 5
sec 
down.   One is 10 miles long, runs due east west from the east end of
town 
into the mountains.   The other is 10 miles south and somewhat west of
the 
other one, and runs north-south, with the north end somewhat west of the

south end.  

The only common factor?   Both were on 5805.About 2 months ago, both
were 
down suddenly, and I had to move both from 5745 to 5805, all frequencies
in 
between were so hot I could not establish a link with a rssi of -72.
Again, 
the links end are 10 miles apart at their closest ends and run about 170

degrees angle from each other.   

Today, 5745 is clear and clean with no apparent issues as I have an AP
on it 
carrying 20 customers over looking the only common area between the two 
links, 5805 is buried, over a span of 30 miles.  The pattern was
obvious...  
about 5 seconds of no data moving, 5 seconds fine, steady pattern going
on 
and on and on.  About 50% ping loss, with the 1-ping-per-second showing
5 
good, 5 missed, 5 good, 5 missed.  

What could possibly be that strong that it can take down such widely
spread 
apart links?   In both cases, there is considerable elevation change,
such 
that low ends see nothing but dirt and sky (there's NOTHING but
mountains 
and clear sky beyond my higher elevation sites in both cases) beyond
their 
respective other ends, and that the far ends have considerable
downtilt and 
their respective beam patterns do not intersect, but instead, point into
dirt.

Something has to be so strong that it takes down the links from OUTSIDE
of 
the beam patterns of 26 db (or higher) grids.  




Mark Koskenmaki   Neofast, Inc
Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
541-969-8200

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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Sam Tetherow
Yep, still got both of them and yes there were the two I bought from 
you. I got an Imagestream Rebel in last week and am swapping it in tonight.


I'm sure the issue is driver related and I have tried various version of 
RouterOS from 2.9.23 through 2.9.42 and all of the will lock up if left 
running. It depends on load on the machine as well as time up. Which 
makes me think there is a memory leak somewhere in the driver code. The 
machines were put together using the the MB, RAM, NIC and CPUs you said 
you used in your router so I don't think it was that either.


Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Brad Belton wrote:

Hello Sam,

Curious if both DS3 cards have the lockup problem?  You do still have two of
them, right? If so, it is unlikely you have two bad DS3 cards.  Especially
because if they are the ones you bought from me I know they are good!
grin

We never had any trouble with them interfacing our ATT DS3s.  Sure sounds
like a hardware issue or possibly MikroTik made a change in their code that
now causes this problem.  MikroTik has been known to make a change in their
drivers (unknowingly) and render an entire revision of make and model
interface useless.  Happened to us with Intel SC Fiber adapters.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Ron, when I was at 2xT1 I was running it through a RB230 without any 
issues for BW shaping (only  a couple of queues).  I don't think it is 
MT in particular that is the problem.  Could be the specific hardware 
that is the issue though.


I am currently running 45MB through a 3.0GHz MT box with an SBE 
interface and it handles the bandwidth just fine, although I am having 
some locking problems from time to time, but I think they are related to 
the sbe DS3 card as opposed to MT itself.


Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Ron Wallace wrote:
  

To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now


when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and
quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM.
I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. 
  
Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. 
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.

PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Sam Tetherow
I've run 2 different SBE card in 3 machines.  Two of them were identical 
Intel server MBs with 3GHz Intel CPUs and Kingston RAM.  The other was a 
Biostar MB, Kingston RAM, (and Ultra RAM) and a dual core Pentium 4 (the 
biostar was just a board we for another computer so I swapped it in as a 
different set of hardware to check).  All of the exhibit the same 
behaviour they will run under normal load for between a day and a week 
and then just lock up hard.  The Intel setup mentioned was a duplicate 
of what Brad successfully used on his network.


To aggrevate the problem all I need to do is fire up a popular torrent 
on an unmetered connection in the office and it will not last a full 24 
hours before lock up.


Glad to hear that they do work for some people because I won't feel bad 
about selling them on ebay then ;)


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

David Sovereen wrote:
We use SBE DS-3 cards and have had zero lockups.  Currently on MT 
2.9.41. Been running with them for about 6 months, knock on wood.  We 
have them on SuperMicro hardware, which tends to be pretty stable.  I 
mention that only in case it is an issue of card and motherboard 
combination.


Dave

- Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router


Hello Sam,

Curious if both DS3 cards have the lockup problem?  You do still have 
two of
them, right? If so, it is unlikely you have two bad DS3 cards.  
Especially

because if they are the ones you bought from me I know they are good!
grin

We never had any trouble with them interfacing our ATT DS3s.  Sure 
sounds
like a hardware issue or possibly MikroTik made a change in their code 
that
now causes this problem.  MikroTik has been known to make a change in 
their

drivers (unknowingly) and render an entire revision of make and model
interface useless.  Happened to us with Intel SC Fiber adapters.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Ron, when I was at 2xT1 I was running it through a RB230 without any
issues for BW shaping (only  a couple of queues).  I don't think it is
MT in particular that is the problem.  Could be the specific hardware
that is the issue though.

I am currently running 45MB through a 3.0GHz MT box with an SBE
interface and it handles the bandwidth just fine, although I am having
some locking problems from time to time, but I think they are related to
the sbe DS3 card as opposed to MT itself.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Ron Wallace wrote:

To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right 
now

when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and
quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 
7-9AM.

I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.

Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [WISPA] FCC Denies Request to Use Satellite Earth Station for Terrestrial Service

2007-04-14 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
I find this part very interesting:

To provide terrestrial service, TowerStream must file an application for a
terrestrial license through the FCC Wireless Bureau's Universal Licensing
System.

Are they talking about a STA here or can we get useable, for profit
authorizations to use 3650?

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
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Terrestrial Service


http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0115/t.4857.html


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