Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread George Rogato



Chase Phillips wrote:


I know we don't do QOS right now but we might soon.  If that
prioritization (based on packet TOS) makes sense for a lot of our
customers, we might implement that feature sooner.  



Speaking of quality,

Chase, what is your groups real world performance expectations  noise, 
self interference, and speeds?





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[WISPA] WISPA Board Applications

2007-04-20 Thread Rick Harnish
The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set.  All interested members need
to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application for the
ballot.  We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this year's
call for directors.  We have grown substantially in the last six months and
WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community.

Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate.  Further
information about the election process and the responsibilities of the board
can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4

 

 

 

 

 

THE NOMINATION  ELECTION PROCESS 

 

Here are the important dates for those of you following the election,
running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election
process.

 

May 1st, 2007 - Applications due.

 

May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing
Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web
site for member review.

 

June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members.

 

All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and
Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per company is
allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each member
company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and do not
receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your responsibility to
request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 618-244-6868
and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for voting.

 

 

 

UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD

 

The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it fulfills
its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board sets the
strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization.

 

The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director shall
serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is elected
and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation,
incapacity to serve, or removal. 

 

All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the
majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members. 

 

Sincerely,

 

Rick Harnish

 

Secretary

 

WISPA

 

260-827-2482

 

Founding Member of WISPA

 

 

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[WISPA] E ai, Essa voce tem que ver!

2007-04-20 Thread Manoel Wanderley




  

	

  
  




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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-20 Thread Tim Wolfe
And they said Ken was to old for that kind of stuff, But I always new he 
had it in him (sorry for the late reply, I just read this now)



Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scriv,

There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke 
for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly 
sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that 
sits in the middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon







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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications

2007-04-20 Thread John Scrivner
I just filled mine out. If any of you have not applied for the board and 
you want to help us run this organization then please go to 
http://nominations.wispa.org and signup. We did not get enough 
applications to even fill the board last time. We want a full 7 member 
board this time guys and it would be nice to have enough people applying 
to have a little bit of campaigning and debate about what the direction 
will be for WISPA. We have enough strong potential candidates out there 
that we should be seeing some new blood running this time along with our 
existing board hopefully all running. There is no need to delay this 
application. It took me about 5 minutes to complete. Please go apply now 
if you have an interest in helping run WISPA.

Thank you,
John Scrivner
President
WISPA


Rick Harnish wrote:


The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set.  All interested members need
to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application for the
ballot.  We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this year's
call for directors.  We have grown substantially in the last six months and
WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community.

Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate.  Further
information about the election process and the responsibilities of the board
can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4











THE NOMINATION  ELECTION PROCESS 




Here are the important dates for those of you following the election,
running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election
process.



May 1st, 2007 - Applications due.



May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing
Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web
site for member review.



June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members.



All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and
Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per company is
allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each member
company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and do not
receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your responsibility to
request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 618-244-6868
and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for voting.







UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD



The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it fulfills
its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board sets the
strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization.



The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director shall
serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is elected
and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation,
incapacity to serve, or removal. 




All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the
majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members. 




Sincerely,



Rick Harnish



Secretary



WISPA



260-827-2482



Founding Member of WISPA





 


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[WISPA] E ai, Essa voce tem que ver!

2007-04-20 Thread Manoel Wanderley




  

	

  
  




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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread John Scrivner

Replies below:

Chase Phillips wrote:


Hi Marlon,

On 4/19/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



Welcome to the list! Thanks for joining us.



Happy to be here!  I remember when John told me about starting WISPA
years ago.  Before that, I remember all of us at MVN toasting his
first wireless link out of the back of his Jeep Cherokee using, what
was it John, Broadcom gear?  I'm proud to see how far the community
has come.

Actually it was Breezecom gear. We had a AP-10D and a SA-10D if I 
remember the part numbers right. When I made my first wireless 
connection it was truly a day I remembered well. I wish I had marked it 
on a calendar. We had a bottle of Champaign drinking it on the side of 
the road a block up from the office. It was quite a day. I am glad you 
remembered that one Chase. Good memories!

:-)
Scriv

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread Travis Johnson
Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main 
Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :)


Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it?

Travis
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RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread ralph
They distributed Ruckus and Peplink. Never heard about Meraki being used.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

Ralph,

As quoted from the link below;
 Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes 
 in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's 
 free wireless system.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortun
e/index.htm

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


ralph wrote:
 Dawn-

 Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View.
 I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki?

 Ralph

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

 Marlon,

 Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build 
 out a mesh network in Mt.View.

 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro

   

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread George Rogato

Arizona
McDowell , when I left AZ in '87 was 356 miles long and growing, was a 
very long street.


But my town here on the Central Oregon Coast, has to have one of the 
longest... HWY 101 runs from Mexico to Wsrshington State.



Travis Johnson wrote:
Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main 
Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :)


Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it?

Travis
Microserv


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Mario Pommier

wishful thinking
   FCC realizes areas are underserved.
   They also realize independent broadband providers -- read wireless 
ISPs -- are an excellent, if not better, solution as a competitive 
solution in many areas, rural and otherwise.
   FCC makes sub-700Mhz available for unlicensed broadband, or 
reasonably licensed broadband which independent WISPs can access.

   Then, small business innovators -- read WISPs -- win and users win.
/wishful thinking

   Is that sooo wishful?

Mario

Matt wrote:
For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single 
household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household 
in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason


soapbox
This gets old.  They say the US is way behind.  Really?  I think they
are comparing apples to oranges.  Do all they rural farms in Australia
have broadband?  All the rural areas in China?  Even S. Korea, one of
the most wired countries, do they have broadband in all there rural
areas?  Sure its great in there metro areas but so is it here in the
US.

The only reason this upsets me is we are investing a great deal of our
own money building out to these underserved areas.  I can just see
some report coming out then the government giving some grants to
telcos or whoever to bury fiber or whatever at huge expense to every
rural house in the country side.  What I find really irritating is
I/we pay taxes too and will be getting the shaft.  Its difficult to
compete with fiber with a 900 Canopy SM.
/soapbox

Matt




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Matt

wishful thinking
   FCC realizes areas are underserved.
   They also realize independent broadband providers -- read wireless
ISPs -- are an excellent, if not better, solution as a competitive
solution in many areas, rural and otherwise.
   FCC makes sub-700Mhz available for unlicensed broadband, or
reasonably licensed broadband which independent WISPs can access.
   Then, small business innovators -- read WISPs -- win and users win.
/wishful thinking


Are we voting?  Sounds good to me.  ;)

Matt
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[WISPA] Banned from list

2007-04-20 Thread John Scrivner
I have banned [EMAIL PROTECTED] from further posts on our list and he 
will not be able to subscribe.

Scriv


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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

I'll not be running again so we need two new board members.

Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications


I just filled mine out. If any of you have not applied for the board and 
you want to help us run this organization then please go to 
http://nominations.wispa.org and signup. We did not get enough applications 
to even fill the board last time. We want a full 7 member board this time 
guys and it would be nice to have enough people applying to have a little 
bit of campaigning and debate about what the direction will be for WISPA. 
We have enough strong potential candidates out there that we should be 
seeing some new blood running this time along with our existing board 
hopefully all running. There is no need to delay this application. It took 
me about 5 minutes to complete. Please go apply now if you have an interest 
in helping run WISPA.

Thank you,
John Scrivner
President
WISPA


Rick Harnish wrote:

The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set.  All interested members 
need
to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application for 
the
ballot.  We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this 
year's
call for directors.  We have grown substantially in the last six months 
and

WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community.

Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate.  Further
information about the election process and the responsibilities of the 
board

can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4






THE NOMINATION  ELECTION PROCESS

Here are the important dates for those of you following the election,
running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election
process.


May 1st, 2007 - Applications due.


May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing
Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web
site for member review.


June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members.


All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and
Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per company is
allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each 
member
company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and do 
not
receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your responsibility 
to
request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 
618-244-6868

and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for voting.




UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD


The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it fulfills
its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board sets the
strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization.


The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director 
shall

serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is elected
and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation,
incapacity to serve, or removal.

All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the
majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members.

Sincerely,


Rick Harnish


Secretary


WISPA


260-827-2482


Founding Member of WISPA





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[WISPA] poe injectors splitters and power supplys

2007-04-20 Thread RickG

OK guys, where is the least expensive source for poe injectors 
splitters and power supplys?

Thanks!
RickG
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Peter R.

Where did you get THAT number?
3000.  6000.
I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They 
only catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 
of them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is 
north of 6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
are?


grr
Marlon


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[WISPA] Clearwire

2007-04-20 Thread Peter R.
I find it funny that CITI has been marking all these tech companies as 
sell before burned, yet their clients were involved in the IPO's.



http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2007/03/12/clearwire-burns-cash-churns-investors.aspx

March 12, 2007

Mobile mogul Craig McCaw's latest venture, wireless Internet service 
provider *Clearwire* (Nasdaq: CLWR 
http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=CLWR), raked in $600 million last 
week in its IPO. It sounds like a lot of dough, but Clearwire's shaky 
business model, fierce rivals, and expensive operations will likely 
require even more cash over the next few years.


Clearwire is the second-largest holder of the 2.5 GHz licensed spectrum, 
which reaches roughly 214 million people in the United States. The 
spectrum allows for data transfer speeds equivalent to wireline 
broadband, with far less potential interference than Wi-Fi or other 
wireless approaches.


The success of Clearwire's network depends upon the adoption of WiMAX 
technologies. If computer and mobile device manufacturers agree to use 
the WiMAX standard, the value of Clearwire's network should increase. 
The company has attracted $1.1 billion in strategic investments from 
*Intel*, *Motorola*, and Bell Canada.


That all sounds promising, but Clearwire's strategy is hardly unique. 
*Sprint Nextel* is deploying its own WiMAX network, while *Verizon* and 
other wireless providers employ competing technologies.


Clearwire's enormous investment requirements pose an additional problem. 
The company shelled out $300 million for 2.5 GHz spectrum rights from 
*ATT*, and it will likely need to buy more spectrum. It also faces 
significant expenses in sales and marketing, customer service, equipment 
purchases, maintenance and RD.


To finance these efforts, Clearwire has issued two secured notes, a term 
loan and a corporate loan, for a total of $755.6 million. Assuming no 
recapitalizations, the company will pay $84.3 million and $1.3 million 
in interest and principal, respectively, in 2007.


What business model does Clearwire offer to justify these expenses? The 
company sells one- or two-year contracts, including activation fees, 
monthly charges, and ancillary services like VOIP and Web hosting. For 
2006, the company increased its revenue by $66.7 million to a total of 
$100.2 million, but on the bottom line, it sustained a $284.2 million loss.


According to its prospectus, Clearwire expects its losses to continue 
for some time. It predicts a whopping $800 million in cash needs for 
2007 -- and that doesn't even include spectrum costs.


Even if Clearwire doubles revenues in 2007, the company will quickly 
devour its IPO proceeds, and it'll probably need to go back to investors 
for more. That's a scary prospect for investors, so it's not surprising 
that the stock is already volatile, with a 10% drop on Friday and 
another 8% drop in Monday trading. For Foolish investors, it's probably 
a good bet to stay clear of Clearwire.



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Re: [WISPA] Banned from list

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

Thank you.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:
I have banned [EMAIL PROTECTED] from further posts on our list and 
he will not be able to subscribe.

Scriv


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[WISPA] ATT, Earthlink Eye Chicago Wi-Fi

2007-04-20 Thread Peter R.

*ATT, Earthlink Eye Chicago Wi-Fi*
/Pitching plans to city for wireless broadband network/
Posted 2007-04-20

Chicago should prove to be an interesting battleground for wireless 
broadband over the next few years, as both Earthlink and ATT hope to 
build citywide Wi-Fi networks. Chicago is also going to be one of the 
first launch markets for Sprint WiMax /shownews/81062, which the 
company says they'll offer at speeds between 2 and 4Mbps for around $55. 
The Chicago Tribune 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0704200144apr20,0,6882142.story?track=rss 
says both Earthlink, NextWLAN and ATT have pitched Wi-Fi proposals for 
the city. Offering wholesale service over the network is a requirement 
of the city's RFP.


http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/83168



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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes

2007-04-20 Thread Peter R.
It is kind of an apples to oranges comparison since Japan and Korea and 
a few other places (even Aussie) have more than 70% of their population 
living densely in a city. That makes BB penetration easy.


That being said. Since 1999, the RBOCs have been charging us for a DS3 
fiber network that they have yet to build.

That's right - 45MB to the home - as promised in 1999.

We should have BB penetration in the 90%+ range in all NFL cities as 
well as the top 100 MSA's by now.


But we don't due of course to politics, lobbying, litigation and poor 
(no) over-sight.


Today BB is more than access - it is Opportunity. It is Economic 
Freedom. It is a platform for Innovation, Collaboration and Communication.


Muni Wi-Fi isn't about free access. It is about economic competition 
globally for jobs. (Think the Creative Class by Dr. Richard Florida).


I'll get down from my soapbox now, because I could go on all day.

Regards,

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.


Matt wrote:

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single 
household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household 
in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason



soapbox
This gets old.  They say the US is way behind.  Really?  I think they
are comparing apples to oranges.  Do all they rural farms in Australia
have broadband?  All the rural areas in China?  Even S. Korea, one of
the most wired countries, do they have broadband in all there rural
areas?  Sure its great in there metro areas but so is it here in the
US.

The only reason this upsets me is we are investing a great deal of our
own money building out to these underserved areas.  I can just see
some report coming out then the government giving some grants to
telcos or whoever to bury fiber or whatever at huge expense to every
rural house in the country side.  What I find really irritating is
I/we pay taxes too and will be getting the shaft.  Its difficult to
compete with fiber with a 900 Canopy SM.
/soapbox

Matt




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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications

2007-04-20 Thread Carl A jeptha
I already filled out mine, now when can I start campaigning, I have my 
lawn signs ready


You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
skype cajeptha



John Scrivner wrote:
I just filled mine out. If any of you have not applied for the board 
and you want to help us run this organization then please go to 
http://nominations.wispa.org and signup. We did not get enough 
applications to even fill the board last time. We want a full 7 member 
board this time guys and it would be nice to have enough people 
applying to have a little bit of campaigning and debate about what the 
direction will be for WISPA. We have enough strong potential 
candidates out there that we should be seeing some new blood running 
this time along with our existing board hopefully all running. There 
is no need to delay this application. It took me about 5 minutes to 
complete. Please go apply now if you have an interest in helping run 
WISPA.

Thank you,
John Scrivner
President
WISPA


Rick Harnish wrote:

The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set.  All interested 
members need
to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application 
for the
ballot.  We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this 
year's
call for directors.  We have grown substantially in the last six 
months and

WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community.

Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate.  Further
information about the election process and the responsibilities of 
the board

can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4











THE NOMINATION  ELECTION PROCESS


Here are the important dates for those of you following the election,
running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election
process.



May 1st, 2007 - Applications due.



May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing
Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web
site for member review.



June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members.



All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and
Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per 
company is
allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each 
member
company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and 
do not
receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your 
responsibility to
request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 
618-244-6868
and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for 
voting.








UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD



The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it 
fulfills
its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board 
sets the

strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization.



The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director 
shall
serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is 
elected

and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation,
incapacity to serve, or removal.


All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the
majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members.


Sincerely,



Rick Harnish



Secretary



WISPA



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RE: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
River rd  along the Mississippi river, but that's more than one state...

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
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Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA


Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main 
Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :)

Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it?

Travis
Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Ralph,

As quoted from the link below;
Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes 
in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's 
free wireless system.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortune/index.htm

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


ralph wrote:

Dawn-

Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View.
I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki?

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM
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Marlon,

Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build 
out a mesh network in Mt.View.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

  


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[WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Justin S. Wilson
Found this on Slashdot

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office)
have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason
the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to
realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp  the way they measure
competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml  our country is falling
behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
adoption, speed and price.'

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They only 
catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of 
them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 
6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are?

grr
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Found this on Slashdot

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household 
in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in 
that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason

the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to
realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp  the way they 
measure

competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml  our country is 
falling

behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
adoption, speed and price.'





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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know 
these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you 
claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their 
presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers 
then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? Like 
I have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken seriously 
then they have to play by the same rules as all the other players. 
Considering WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and still equal 
less than 1% of the market it is not even a blip on the radar screen. If 
there is anyone to blame for this it is not the people reporting the 
numbers.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They 
only catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 
of them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is 
north of 6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
are?


grr
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Found this on Slashdot

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single 
household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household 
in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason

the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to
realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp  the way they 
measure

competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml  our country is 
falling

behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
adoption, speed and price.'





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[WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO

2007-04-20 Thread John Scrivner

We're excited to be exhibiting at ISPCON Spring 2007: LaunchPad Pavilion J.
And we want to see you there! We have negotiated a special rate for
our clients and partners so you can save big on your ISPCON full-conference
registration. But that is only the start, please read on...

ISPCON Spring 2007 will take place May 23-25 at the Rosen Centre Hotel
in Orlando, FL. Simply sign up online by May 4, 2007 and use our unique
customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current $595
price of the full-conference pass. Or use our customer code to get a FREE
pass to the exhibit hall and keynotes. http://www.ispcon.com/register.php

Ok, now here is the WISPA ONLY BONUS!

Until May 4th only, the first 10 WISP's signing up for a Full conference
pass using our Promo code, PLUSS7 saving $100 off the full conference pass
of $595, will receive a $250 credit towards a WISPA membership paid by our
company directly.

Yes, you read that right, a full one-year membership to WISPA! The credit
will be issued once ISPCON verifies the full-conference pass has been paid
for. So be one of the first 10 to respond to this offer and save money and
support a great organization - WISPA. So sign on quickly, only the first 10
will qualify!

WISPA BONUS #2

Any WISP signing up for a new WISPA membership or a Full-conference pass
will receive a $250 credit allowance towards any services we are offering
including Postini and the upcoming additional new service of hosted email;
POP3, IMAP, SMTP and Web Mail with 100mb mailbox storage. More info will be
coming out in the coming weeks and for the ISPCON conference.

We're looking forward to seeing you in Orlando! Sign up online today and
save when you use our unique customer code: PLUSS7

So if you are not taking advantage of this money saving WISPA promotion
before May 4, 2007, you can still download this PDF,
http://secureemailplus.com/ISPCONPASS.pdf and bring it with you to receive
the free Exhibits and Events Pass, or $100 Full-conference discount when 
you

register on-site or online at: http://www.ispcon.com/register.php


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President/CEO
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Toll Free: 800-246-7740

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Re: [WISPA] Clearwire

2007-04-20 Thread George Rogato
I would think that if I owned a stock, a speculative non profitable 
stock such as CLWR, that the analysts said had 5 years before it ran out 
of gas, I'd keep that stock. Probably buy more. So says others.


http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ao?s=CLWR






Peter R. wrote:
I find it funny that CITI has been marking all these tech companies as 
sell before burned, yet their clients were involved in the IPO's.



http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2007/03/12/clearwire-burns-cash-churns-investors.aspx 



March 12, 2007

Mobile mogul Craig McCaw's latest venture, wireless Internet service 
provider *Clearwire* (Nasdaq: CLWR 
http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=CLWR), raked in $600 million last 
week in its IPO. It sounds like a lot of dough, but Clearwire's shaky 
business model, fierce rivals, and expensive operations will likely 
require even more cash over the next few years.


Clearwire is the second-largest holder of the 2.5 GHz licensed spectrum, 
which reaches roughly 214 million people in the United States. The 
spectrum allows for data transfer speeds equivalent to wireline 
broadband, with far less potential interference than Wi-Fi or other 
wireless approaches.


The success of Clearwire's network depends upon the adoption of WiMAX 
technologies. If computer and mobile device manufacturers agree to use 
the WiMAX standard, the value of Clearwire's network should increase. 
The company has attracted $1.1 billion in strategic investments from 
*Intel*, *Motorola*, and Bell Canada.


That all sounds promising, but Clearwire's strategy is hardly unique. 
*Sprint Nextel* is deploying its own WiMAX network, while *Verizon* and 
other wireless providers employ competing technologies.


Clearwire's enormous investment requirements pose an additional problem. 
The company shelled out $300 million for 2.5 GHz spectrum rights from 
*ATT*, and it will likely need to buy more spectrum. It also faces 
significant expenses in sales and marketing, customer service, equipment 
purchases, maintenance and RD.


To finance these efforts, Clearwire has issued two secured notes, a term 
loan and a corporate loan, for a total of $755.6 million. Assuming no 
recapitalizations, the company will pay $84.3 million and $1.3 million 
in interest and principal, respectively, in 2007.


What business model does Clearwire offer to justify these expenses? The 
company sells one- or two-year contracts, including activation fees, 
monthly charges, and ancillary services like VOIP and Web hosting. For 
2006, the company increased its revenue by $66.7 million to a total of 
$100.2 million, but on the bottom line, it sustained a $284.2 million loss.


According to its prospectus, Clearwire expects its losses to continue 
for some time. It predicts a whopping $800 million in cash needs for 
2007 -- and that doesn't even include spectrum costs.


Even if Clearwire doubles revenues in 2007, the company will quickly 
devour its IPO proceeds, and it'll probably need to go back to investors 
for more. That's a scary prospect for investors, so it's not surprising 
that the stock is already volatile, with a 10% drop on Friday and 
another 8% drop in Monday trading. For Foolish investors, it's probably 
a good bet to stay clear of Clearwire.





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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Matt

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office)
have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason


soapbox
This gets old.  They say the US is way behind.  Really?  I think they
are comparing apples to oranges.  Do all they rural farms in Australia
have broadband?  All the rural areas in China?  Even S. Korea, one of
the most wired countries, do they have broadband in all there rural
areas?  Sure its great in there metro areas but so is it here in the
US.

The only reason this upsets me is we are investing a great deal of our
own money building out to these underserved areas.  I can just see
some report coming out then the government giving some grants to
telcos or whoever to bury fiber or whatever at huge expense to every
rural house in the country side.  What I find really irritating is
I/we pay taxes too and will be getting the shaft.  Its difficult to
compete with fiber with a 900 Canopy SM.
/soapbox

Matt
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RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Rick Harnish
I would tend to agree with you Peter.  That number may have been valid 12
months ago, but I have seen quite a few in my area that have closed up shop.
I can only assume that our area is similar to the rest of the country.  

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:38 AM
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Where did you get THAT number?
3000.  6000.
I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 Arrggh!

 The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They 
 only catch the larger ones.

 We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

 Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 
 of them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is 
 north of 6000.

 Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
 are?

 grr
 Marlon

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Wow!!!  That's very cool Frank!

Thanks much,
Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO


We're excited to be exhibiting at ISPCON Spring 2007: LaunchPad Pavilion 
J.

And we want to see you there! We have negotiated a special rate for
our clients and partners so you can save big on your ISPCON 
full-conference

registration. But that is only the start, please read on...

ISPCON Spring 2007 will take place May 23-25 at the Rosen Centre Hotel
in Orlando, FL. Simply sign up online by May 4, 2007 and use our unique
customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current 
$595

price of the full-conference pass. Or use our customer code to get a FREE
pass to the exhibit hall and keynotes. http://www.ispcon.com/register.php

Ok, now here is the WISPA ONLY BONUS!

Until May 4th only, the first 10 WISP's signing up for a Full conference
pass using our Promo code, PLUSS7 saving $100 off the full conference pass
of $595, will receive a $250 credit towards a WISPA membership paid by our
company directly.

Yes, you read that right, a full one-year membership to WISPA! The credit
will be issued once ISPCON verifies the full-conference pass has been paid
for. So be one of the first 10 to respond to this offer and save money and
support a great organization - WISPA. So sign on quickly, only the first 
10

will qualify!

WISPA BONUS #2

Any WISP signing up for a new WISPA membership or a Full-conference pass
will receive a $250 credit allowance towards any services we are offering
including Postini and the upcoming additional new service of hosted email;
POP3, IMAP, SMTP and Web Mail with 100mb mailbox storage. More info will 
be

coming out in the coming weeks and for the ISPCON conference.

We're looking forward to seeing you in Orlando! Sign up online today and
save when you use our unique customer code: PLUSS7

So if you are not taking advantage of this money saving WISPA promotion
before May 4, 2007, you can still download this PDF,
http://secureemailplus.com/ISPCONPASS.pdf and bring it with you to receive
the free Exhibits and Events Pass, or $100 Full-conference discount when 
you

register on-site or online at: http://www.ispcon.com/register.php


Best Regards,
Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
www.secureemailplus.com
Toll Free: 800-246-7740

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J

P.S. Remember, you can only qualify by using our unique ISPCON code 
PLUSS7.

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
I'd say US 1, which runs from the end of Florida, to the border of Canada on
the East Coast.  It's Main Street for most cities it goes through.  US 1 in
Florida is at least 400 miles long...

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 Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main
 Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :)

 Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it?

 Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread Chase Phillips

Hi George,

On 4/19/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Speaking of quality,

Chase, what is your groups real world performance expectations  noise,
self interference, and speeds?


What most people are interested in when asking that question of our
gear is what our performance is through our mesh.  For 2-3 hop links,
we usually see real world throughput around 2-5 mbps to the gateway
connection.

To reduce self-interference, we've increased our beacon interval from
100 ms to 500 ms.  We've found this assists performance in dense
deployments.

In case you're interested, Bruce Hubbert, a wireless enthusiast (and
one of our SF volunteers) has eye-candy of AirMagnet running near his
Meraki nodes:

http://www.hubbert.org/2007/04/meraki-airmagnet-stats.html

Regards,
Chase
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread Travis Johnson




Ok the answer is Island Park, Idaho. The Main Street is actually 31
miles long. :)

We provide service in that area, and it's a very popular recreation
area (snowmobiles, fly fishing, outdoor sportsman, etc.).

Travis
Microserv

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:

  I'd say US 1, which runs from the end of Florida, to the border of Canada on
the East Coast.  It's Main Street for most cities it goes through.  US 1 in
Florida is at least 400 miles long...

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Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main
Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :)

Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it?

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Yeah.  But the FCC is also to blame.  The form is ridiculously complicated. 
And how many are really gonna fill it out?  The FCC needs to really do 
research beyond asking the public to provide input.


Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on 
broadband connections.  People are pretty good about paying the appropriate 
taxes.


Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that won't 
fill out the form.


It's a screwy deal.  In the end, does it even matter?  The public outcry has 
died out long ago.  Now it's just political posturing and handwringing.  The 
consumer's problems are largely gone.  The ACCESS to broadband is very high 
in most of the country.  Who care's about the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us 
that are deeply involved in the industry.


Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to turn 
into a government funded mountain.


Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - 
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Marlon,

And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know 
these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you 
claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their 
presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers 
then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? Like I 
have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken seriously then 
they have to play by the same rules as all the other players. Considering 
WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and still equal less than 1% of 
the market it is not even a blip on the radar screen. If there is anyone 
to blame for this it is not the people reporting the numbers.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They only 
catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of 
them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 
6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
are?


grr
Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Found this on Slashdot

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household 
in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in 
that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason

the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to
realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp  the way they 
measure

competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml  our country is 
falling

behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
adoption, speed and price.'





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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread George Rogato
I believe that we are at a junction where if there is a need for 
broadband and those in need make it known, that the competitive private 
sector will gladly step up and offer service.


Isn't that where most of us are at now? Looking for new markets?

George


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Yeah.  But the FCC is also to blame.  The form is ridiculously 
complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out?  The FCC needs 
to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input.


Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on 
broadband connections.  People are pretty good about paying the 
appropriate taxes.


Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that 
won't fill out the form.


It's a screwy deal.  In the end, does it even matter?  The public outcry 
has died out long ago.  Now it's just political posturing and 
handwringing.  The consumer's problems are largely gone.  The ACCESS to 
broadband is very high in most of the country.  Who care's about the 
DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry.


Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to 
turn into a government funded mountain.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Marlon,

And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know 
these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you 
claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their 
presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers 
then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? 
Like I have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken 
seriously then they have to play by the same rules as all the other 
players. Considering WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and 
still equal less than 1% of the market it is not even a blip on the 
radar screen. If there is anyone to blame for this it is not the 
people reporting the numbers.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They 
only catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 
400 of them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps 
is north of 6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
are?


grr
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Found this on Slashdot

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single 
household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household 
in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For 
some reason

the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to
realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp  the way they 
measure

competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml  our country is 
falling

behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
adoption, speed and price.'





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Re: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO

2007-04-20 Thread Frank Muto

Thank you Marlon.

I do want to make it clear that this is a two fold offer. Not only do the 
first 10 get a paid WISPA Membership, but they also get the Bonus #2 for 
$250 credit towards any services we provide, i.e., Postini and our upcoming 
new mail service featuring POP3, IMAP and Web Mail, with a minimum 100mb 
storage per mailbox. We will also have 250mb, 1GB and 2GB storage upgrades 
available as well.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J





- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Wow!!!  That's very cool Frank!

Thanks much,
Marlon
- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO


We're excited to be exhibiting at ISPCON Spring 2007: LaunchPad Pavilion 
J.

And we want to see you there! We have negotiated a special rate for
our clients and partners so you can save big on your ISPCON 
full-conference

registration. But that is only the start, please read on...

ISPCON Spring 2007 will take place May 23-25 at the Rosen Centre Hotel
in Orlando, FL. Simply sign up online by May 4, 2007 and use our unique
customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current 
$595

price of the full-conference pass. Or use our customer code to get a FREE
pass to the exhibit hall and keynotes. http://www.ispcon.com/register.php

Ok, now here is the WISPA ONLY BONUS!

Until May 4th only, the first 10 WISP's signing up for a Full conference
pass using our Promo code, PLUSS7 saving $100 off the full conference 
pass
of $595, will receive a $250 credit towards a WISPA membership paid by 
our

company directly.

Yes, you read that right, a full one-year membership to WISPA! The credit
will be issued once ISPCON verifies the full-conference pass has been 
paid
for. So be one of the first 10 to respond to this offer and save money 
and
support a great organization - WISPA. So sign on quickly, only the first 
10

will qualify!

WISPA BONUS #2

Any WISP signing up for a new WISPA membership or a Full-conference pass
will receive a $250 credit allowance towards any services we are offering
including Postini and the upcoming additional new service of hosted 
email;
POP3, IMAP, SMTP and Web Mail with 100mb mailbox storage. More info will 
be

coming out in the coming weeks and for the ISPCON conference.

We're looking forward to seeing you in Orlando! Sign up online today and
save when you use our unique customer code: PLUSS7

So if you are not taking advantage of this money saving WISPA promotion
before May 4, 2007, you can still download this PDF,
http://secureemailplus.com/ISPCONPASS.pdf and bring it with you to 
receive
the free Exhibits and Events Pass, or $100 Full-conference discount when 
you

register on-site or online at: http://www.ispcon.com/register.php


Best Regards,
Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
www.secureemailplus.com
Toll Free: 800-246-7740
P.S. Remember, you can only qualify by using our unique ISPCON code 
PLUSS7.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Peter R.

Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number.

If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice.
If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and 
great. Even though it is disappointed that there are only 900 indie 
ISP's left.

If the number is 3000 and 300 fill it out, that is awful.
But if the number is 6000, then this industry is all cowboy - and the 
FCC will not take kindly to that..


Be careful what number you use.


BTW, many of the Internet Providers aren't even in access any more. They 
are hosting, managed services, ASP, SAAS, etc. but still associate 
themselves as ISPs. This doesn't help the count either because those 
guys don't have to complete any forms. Plus virtual ISP's who don't have 
to fill out forms either (the wholesaler does). So - again - be careful 
with the number.


Regards,

Peter


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Yeah.  But the FCC is also to blame.  The form is ridiculously 
complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out?  The FCC needs 
to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input.


Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on 
broadband connections.  People are pretty good about paying the 
appropriate taxes.


Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that 
won't fill out the form.


It's a screwy deal.  In the end, does it even matter?  The public 
outcry has died out long ago.  Now it's just political posturing and 
handwringing.  The consumer's problems are largely gone.  The ACCESS 
to broadband is very high in most of the country.  Who care's about 
the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the 
industry.


Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to 
turn into a government funded mountain.


Marlon


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sure there are some that close up.  But we're still seeing new ones form 
too.


And, as importantly, those still here seem to be growing by leaps and bounds 
too.  We're running 96% ahead of last year's installation numbers right now! 
At least on the cash sales side of things, no special projects in there to 
skew the numbers either.


At this rate I might actually be able to afford to take a vacation in a 
couple of years!

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- Original Message - 
From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



I would tend to agree with you Peter.  That number may have been valid 12
months ago, but I have seen quite a few in my area that have closed up 
shop.

I can only assume that our area is similar to the rest of the country.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband 
Competition


Where did you get THAT number?
3000.  6000.
I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They
only catch the larger ones.

We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400
of them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is
north of 6000.

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably
are?

grr
Marlon


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Not me.  I'm still looking for money to build out.  Not many places left, 
and they certainly aren't low hanging fruit anymore, but there are still 
places to play.

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- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition


I believe that we are at a junction where if there is a need for 
broadband and those in need make it known, that the competitive private 
sector will gladly step up and offer service.


Isn't that where most of us are at now? Looking for new markets?

George


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Yeah.  But the FCC is also to blame.  The form is ridiculously 
complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out?  The FCC needs to 
really do research beyond asking the public to provide input.


Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on 
broadband connections.  People are pretty good about paying the 
appropriate taxes.


Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that 
won't fill out the form.


It's a screwy deal.  In the end, does it even matter?  The public outcry 
has died out long ago.  Now it's just political posturing and 
handwringing.  The consumer's problems are largely gone.  The ACCESS to 
broadband is very high in most of the country.  Who care's about the 
DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry.


Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to 
turn into a government funded mountain.


Marlon
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1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband 
Competition




Marlon,

And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know 
these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you 
claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their 
presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers 
then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? Like 
I have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken seriously 
then they have to play by the same rules as all the other players. 
Considering WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and still equal 
less than 1% of the market it is not even a blip on the radar screen. If 
there is anyone to blame for this it is not the people reporting the 
numbers.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They 
only catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 
of them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is 
north of 6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
are?


grr
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1999!

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- Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Found this on Slashdot

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single 
household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in 
that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason
the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting 
to

realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp  the way they 
measure

competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml  our country is 
falling

behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
adoption, speed and price.'





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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

In case you missed it in an earlier email.

I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till 
they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs.


MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort 
by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two.


That help?
Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number.

If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice.
If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and 
great. Even though it is disappointed that there are only 900 indie ISP's 
left.

If the number is 3000 and 300 fill it out, that is awful.
But if the number is 6000, then this industry is all cowboy - and the FCC 
will not take kindly to that..


Be careful what number you use.


BTW, many of the Internet Providers aren't even in access any more. They 
are hosting, managed services, ASP, SAAS, etc. but still associate 
themselves as ISPs. This doesn't help the count either because those guys 
don't have to complete any forms. Plus virtual ISP's who don't have to 
fill out forms either (the wholesaler does). So - again - be careful with 
the number.


Regards,

Peter


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Yeah.  But the FCC is also to blame.  The form is ridiculously 
complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out?  The FCC needs to 
really do research beyond asking the public to provide input.


Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on 
broadband connections.  People are pretty good about paying the 
appropriate taxes.


Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that 
won't fill out the form.


It's a screwy deal.  In the end, does it even matter?  The public outcry 
has died out long ago.  Now it's just political posturing and 
handwringing.  The consumer's problems are largely gone.  The ACCESS to 
broadband is very high in most of the country.  Who care's about the 
DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry.


Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to 
turn into a government funded mountain.


Marlon


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
In 2004 *I* called the main distributors in the wisp space.  5 of them as I 
recall.


It took some time and some arm twisting, but I got them to tell me how many 
wisps that they had in their databases.


It totaled out at 12,000!  I assumed that around 25% had purchased from most 
of them at one time or another.


The highest number for any one company was 6000.  That means that there 
were, really, 6000 wisps that could not have overlapped with any of the 
others.  So, it's reasonable number I'm sure.


(sorry Peter, I thought I'd sent this but got interrupted and am just now 
hitting the send button)


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- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Where did you get THAT number?
3000.  6000.
I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They only 
catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of 
them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 
6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
are?


grr
Marlon


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors,
so your count is quite inflated.

Lonnie

On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In case you missed it in an earlier email.

I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till
they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs.

MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort
by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two.

That help?
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition


 Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number.

 If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice.
 If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and
 great. Even though it is disappointed that there are only 900 indie ISP's
 left.
 If the number is 3000 and 300 fill it out, that is awful.
 But if the number is 6000, then this industry is all cowboy - and the FCC
 will not take kindly to that..

 Be careful what number you use.


 BTW, many of the Internet Providers aren't even in access any more. They
 are hosting, managed services, ASP, SAAS, etc. but still associate
 themselves as ISPs. This doesn't help the count either because those guys
 don't have to complete any forms. Plus virtual ISP's who don't have to
 fill out forms either (the wholesaler does). So - again - be careful with
 the number.

 Regards,

 Peter


 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 Yeah.  But the FCC is also to blame.  The form is ridiculously
 complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out?  The FCC needs to
 really do research beyond asking the public to provide input.

 Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on
 broadband connections.  People are pretty good about paying the
 appropriate taxes.

 Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that
 won't fill out the form.

 It's a screwy deal.  In the end, does it even matter?  The public outcry
 has died out long ago.  Now it's just political posturing and
 handwringing.  The consumer's problems are largely gone.  The ACCESS to
 broadband is very high in most of the country.  Who care's about the
 DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry.

 Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to
 turn into a government funded mountain.

 Marlon

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RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Patrick Leary
The exact number of WISPs may be in specific debate, but whether the
number is higher than the reported 400 odd WISPs is not. I am certain
the number is at least 500% higher than that. And doing some basic
number crunching (which I won't reveal) on the amount we sell into the
U.S., along with good estimates of what our principal peer vendors sell,
it is easy to see that number of subscribers is much higher than
reported. That does not even count the subscribers attached to BWA
purpose-built Wi-Fi gear, both certified and not certified -- a number I
suspect is at least as high as Alvarion's + Moto + Trango.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition

In 2004 *I* called the main distributors in the wisp space.  5 of them
as I 
recall.

It took some time and some arm twisting, but I got them to tell me how
many 
wisps that they had in their databases.

It totaled out at 12,000!  I assumed that around 25% had purchased from
most 
of them at one time or another.

The highest number for any one company was 6000.  That means that there 
were, really, 6000 wisps that could not have overlapped with any of the 
others.  So, it's reasonable number I'm sure.

(sorry Peter, I thought I'd sent this but got interrupted and am just
now 
hitting the send button)

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1999!
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- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition


 Where did you get THAT number?
 3000.  6000.
 I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.

 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 Arrggh!

 The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They
only 
 catch the larger ones.

 We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

 Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has
400 of 
 them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is north
of 
 6000.

 Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably

 are?

 grr
 Marlon

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Peter R.

And that was 2004.

I'm not arguing just to argue.  This is a soapbox, so delete and move on 
if you want.


When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have 
reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone.
It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called 
Industry.


As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using 
the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and 
K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3).
And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and 
they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will 
happen?

They will pick up a pen and wipe it out.

But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP 
database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an 
ISP any longer.


- Peter

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors,
so your count is quite inflated.

Lonnie

On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



In case you missed it in an earlier email.

I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till
they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs.

MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive 
effort

by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two.

That help?
Marlon



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RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Chase, 
Yesterday,  we set up a mini in a restaurant for a open access hotspot.
Worked excellent, except, We can't ping through to OUR gateway , and we cant
ssh using putty, into our system.  Why are we being blocked?  How can we get
around this network monitoring problem, we use the various hotspots for our
connivance too.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
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Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread George Rogato
I can tell you that I have talked to wisps that want nothing to do with 
FCC, 477, CALEA or anyone that wants to know about their business.

So there is quite a large percentage that will not show up on the radar.

It would be hard to imagine that the supply chain to this industry would 
survive if there was not 1000's of wisps buying continuously.


One of the things I've asked the board to do is to hire a wispa rep and 
to have that person start calling isp's across the nation, informing 
them of wispa, and gaining some membership.


This would give us much better insight in to who, where and how many.

Maybe after the election, we can again take up this subject.

George

Peter R. wrote:

And that was 2004.

I'm not arguing just to argue.  This is a soapbox, so delete and move on 
if you want.


When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have 
reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone.
It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called 
Industry.


As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using 
the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and 
K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3).
And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and 
they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will 
happen?

They will pick up a pen and wipe it out.

But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP 
database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an 
ISP any longer.


- Peter

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors,
so your count is quite inflated.

Lonnie

On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



In case you missed it in an earlier email.

I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till
they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs.

MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive 
effort

by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two.

That help?
Marlon




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
There were 12,000 on the rolls.  The largest single count was 6000.  I 
assumed a 75% overlap to be on the safe side.


But with a high of 6000 at ONE company, there's no way to have overlap on 
that 6000.  The real number in 2004 was somewhere around that 6000 mark.


And for your 40% that are gone, how many new are out there that we've not 
heard about yet.


How many muni networks are out there?  They too are wisps.

laters,
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- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



And that was 2004.

I'm not arguing just to argue.  This is a soapbox, so delete and move on 
if you want.


When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have 
reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone.
It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called 
Industry.


As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using the 
same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and K-Mart feel 
the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3).
And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and 
they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will 
happen?

They will pick up a pen and wipe it out.

But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP 
database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an ISP 
any longer.


- Peter

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors,
so your count is quite inflated.

Lonnie

On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



In case you missed it in an earlier email.

I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till
they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs.

MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive 
effort

by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two.

That help?
Marlon



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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

The projections for municipal wireless networks are about 300 but you 
cannot say this number will add 300 Wireless Providers to the total 
number of WISP's. Some providers of these networks could run more than 
one municipality. I am sure some of these providers are already counted 
in your figure so there would be no bearing on whether they built a 
municipal network or not.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
There were 12,000 on the rolls.  The largest single count was 6000.  I 
assumed a 75% overlap to be on the safe side.


But with a high of 6000 at ONE company, there's no way to have overlap 
on that 6000.  The real number in 2004 was somewhere around that 6000 
mark.


And for your 40% that are gone, how many new are out there that we've 
not heard about yet.


How many muni networks are out there?  They too are wisps.

laters,
Marlon
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- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband 
Competition




And that was 2004.

I'm not arguing just to argue.  This is a soapbox, so delete and move 
on if you want.


When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have 
reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone.
It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called 
Industry.


As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using 
the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and 
K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3).
And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. 
and they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think 
will happen?

They will pick up a pen and wipe it out.

But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP 
database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an 
ISP any longer.


- Peter

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors,
so your count is quite inflated.

Lonnie

On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



In case you missed it in an earlier email.

I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them 
till

they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs.

MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive 
effort

by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two.

That help?
Marlon



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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Tim,

It's cool, I am sure you are busy with all that you do during the week.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro




Tim Wolfe wrote:
And they said Ken was to old for that kind of stuff, But I always new 
he had it in him (sorry for the late reply, I just read this now)



Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scriv,

There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and 
coke for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly 
sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that 
sits in the middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will 
be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum 
and Coke.


marlon









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