Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-24 Thread Carl A jeptha
So from the outside looking in, is my Association, WISPA, being paid a 
consultancy fee for assisting these various US goverment dept. in 
drawing up a plan of action to fight crime, etc.??
The reason for paying taxes is that so gov. has money to fund programs 
for the betterment of the people - period.


You have a Good Day now,


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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

Heh...  Is this an argument that taxes are a violation of the 5th Amendment?
Especially the part that says ...nor shall private property be taken for
public use, without just compensation. ?

That's where I derive my idea that we do not owe them any services or
spending money to provide services or labor without compensation.   Heck,
CALEA provided funds to the telcos to compensate them...  Why the heck are
we special and not protected?From the arguments here, we have an
unfillable debt owed merely for use of unlicensed spectrum... I disagree
there's any debt or obligation whatsoever.





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you don't give them stuff for free

Yes we do.


Care to quantify this statement?
  

Sure, the government has never paid me to give them taxes.

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RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-24 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Mark,

Do you pay ANY taxes??? If so, continue to the next questions.
Otherwise, you have no reason to voice your opinion.

Do you support the wars we are involved in currently? All of them, or
just one or two of them?
Do you support your lawmakers making more money than most of the
country?
Do you support the fact that your lawmakers should be able to decide
their own pay raise every year?
Do you support your lawmakers running this country into debt the way it
has?

If you answered 'NO' to any of the above, do you continue to pay your
taxes as I asked with the first question?

If you do continue to pay your taxes, even though you do not support
what your government is doing with your money, why do you continue to
pay them?

I believe the same thought process applies to the FCC and what they are
currently doing. If you 'support' your government by paying your taxes,
why don't you support the FCC's efforts even thought you don't agree
with them?

Many times it isn't 'what you say', rather 'how you say it.' Keep
shouting from the mountain top, but quietly comply. I'd hate for you to
be MIA in the future.

Life is not always fair, and right doesn't always win.

- Cliff


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition

Heh...  Is this an argument that taxes are a violation of the 5th
Amendment?
Especially the part that says ...nor shall private property be taken
for
public use, without just compensation. ?

That's where I derive my idea that we do not owe them any services or
spending money to provide services or labor without compensation.
Heck,
CALEA provided funds to the telcos to compensate them...  Why the heck
are
we special and not protected?From the arguments here, we have an
unfillable debt owed merely for use of unlicensed spectrum... I disagree
there's any debt or obligation whatsoever.





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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition





  you don't give them stuff for free
 
  Yes we do.
 
  Care to quantify this statement?

 Sure, the government has never paid me to give them taxes.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-24 Thread Carl A jeptha
And until all good American Citizens stand up and say stop the gravy 
train, we need to unload some baggage, you will deserve the goverment 
you get.


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Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

Mark,

Do you pay ANY taxes??? If so, continue to the next questions.
Otherwise, you have no reason to voice your opinion.

Do you support the wars we are involved in currently? All of them, or
just one or two of them?
Do you support your lawmakers making more money than most of the
country?
Do you support the fact that your lawmakers should be able to decide
their own pay raise every year?
Do you support your lawmakers running this country into debt the way it
has?

If you answered 'NO' to any of the above, do you continue to pay your
taxes as I asked with the first question?

If you do continue to pay your taxes, even though you do not support
what your government is doing with your money, why do you continue to
pay them?

I believe the same thought process applies to the FCC and what they are
currently doing. If you 'support' your government by paying your taxes,
why don't you support the FCC's efforts even thought you don't agree
with them?

Many times it isn't 'what you say', rather 'how you say it.' Keep
shouting from the mountain top, but quietly comply. I'd hate for you to
be MIA in the future.

Life is not always fair, and right doesn't always win.

- Cliff


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition

Heh...  Is this an argument that taxes are a violation of the 5th
Amendment?
Especially the part that says ...nor shall private property be taken
for
public use, without just compensation. ?

That's where I derive my idea that we do not owe them any services or
spending money to provide services or labor without compensation.
Heck,
CALEA provided funds to the telcos to compensate them...  Why the heck
are
we special and not protected?From the arguments here, we have an
unfillable debt owed merely for use of unlicensed spectrum... I disagree
there's any debt or obligation whatsoever.





- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition


  




you don't give them stuff for free

Yes we do.


Care to quantify this statement?
  

Sure, the government has never paid me to give them taxes.

George Rogato

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-24 Thread Peter R.

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


And why aren't we defending our industry from gatekeeper regulation which
stifles entry into it?

Man, you people don't logically connect the dots, do you?   Why wasn't WISPA
asking every member, list member, and everyone else they could to flood the
FCC with objections, and then offer a much saner view of how ISP's can
assist LEA's?WISPA doesn't need to advocate flaunting the law to object,
as some here are misportraying the notion.Instead, we're trying to
downplay a very arbitrary intrusion into our networks and business.  Instead
of building leadership, WISPA is letting it slip away.

Or maybe WISPA's figuring to join the ranks of the TTP's out there trying to
scare people into buying into something for protection.   When that's done
to a brick and mortar business, it's called extortion.   Really, I don't
think they are...  But that's how some people have viewed it.  I know, I've
seen the comments.


 


Seen the comments where?

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-24 Thread Peter R.

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:




While I'm sure the statement this is not universally possible is
technically correct (the best kind of correct!) I believe you're
seriously over-estimating the difficulty. I'd wager most of us already
have, somewhere in our network, a decent managed switch that can be
configured to spit out the requested data. Feed said data into a cheap
PC with a big hard drive (another thing that most of us already have),
filter out the specific bits the government wants, spit it out. If this
takes more than a couple hours to set up, there's something seriously
weird going on with your network.
   



Oh, and I do not.   I have NO PLACE within my network where traffic  can be
tapped.  None.  Zilch.   Not cpe, not ap's, not my gateway at my provider's.
You'd actually have to go upstream, to my providers server room to do that.
That is as close as I can get.
 


I would call Bull here. At the point where you connect to your upstream is what 
can be referred to as the Edge device in your network. If that Edge device was 
a FreeBSD ROuter or an ImageStream or a Cisco 7200, then you are probably in 
compliance, as all 3 devices can provide the Feds with the tap they want.

- Peter

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[WISPA] The OECD just released its broadband stats for December.

2007-04-24 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html

   * The breakdown of broadband technologies in December 2006 is as 
follows:

 - DSL : 62%
 - Cable modem : 29%
 - FTTH/FTTB : 7%
 - Other (e.g. satellite, fixed wireless, powerline communication) : 2%

Wireless Providers have made some improvements in market share but not 
enough to say they are a force to be reckoned with.


Canada has a lower population density than the US yet they still kicked 
butt in broadband penetration.


   Broadband penetration Population density
(subscribers per 100 inhabitants, Dec. 2006)(inhab/km2, 2005)
   Canada 23.8
   3.0
   United States19.6
32.0


More interesting facts from the link below;
http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-24 Thread Peter R.

Mark,

You say there are others that share your view.
Did any of you comment to the FCC about CALEA?
Or do you guys just do that on listservs?

Here's the FCC team:

*Public Safety  Homeland Security Bureau (PSHSB) CALEA Team*:

David Ward, /Senior Attorney/, PSHSB Policy Division (202.418.2336)
Darryl Cooper, /Senior Attorney/, PSHSB Policy Division (202.418.7131)
Eric Ehrenreich, /Attorney Advisor/, PSHSB Policy Division (202.418.1726)
Thomas J. Beers, /Deputy Division Chief/, PSHSB Policy Division 
(202.418.0952)


Call them. Tell them your stand on CALEA.


About form 477: It is written into TA96. There was no exceptions in that 
section. (It didn't read: any small guys do not have to file). The SBA 
Office of Advocacy is the one who usually fights for the over-regulation 
of the small business. Unfortunately, the SBA has taken some hits under 
the current Administration. But I would suggest writing to that office 
about the burden form 477 and CALEA will have on you.


I'm beginning to get the feeling that you want the FCC to cut you a 
check for being compliant.
Yes, the original act had monies in it for compliance, but that was 
years ago and the cash is gone.




because this silly nonsense that applies to TELCOS doesn't apply to IP
networks.

Instead, we should be telling them that due to diversity and innovation,
it's absolutely impossible to not stifle the way we do things and 
conform to

obscure and frankly... SILLY demands.

IF it were me, my comments would be, we as an industry stand ready and
willing to assist law enforcement and homeland security any way we 
can, but
it is NOT our obligation to morph our networks into the federal mold 
at our

expense. Rather, it is imperative that the FBI, DOJ, and local law
enforcement develop reasonable abilities to deal with IP networks, and 
that

we can work with agencies that have reasonable ability to understand and
work with cutting edge technologies, rather than trying to restrain an
entire industry for their convenience.


It is nicely worded. But the two guys at the DOJ know that it is not 
rocket science to tap IP streams.


I would add that if you were vigilant, you would have been shouting 
about CALEA when ACE and the EFF were fighting it in Federal Court.


I agree that you should have your say to the Feds. Everyone that feels 
the same way should indeed write to the DOJ and their Congress Critter 
that CALEA is expensive and difficult to apply. My stance is that it is 
easier to piss in the wind here and on similar listservs, but to 
actually get a petition or letter writing campaign going would be a far 
better use of your time, unless you realize that few if any will 
actually follow.


No one thinks they can win in DC because no one ever has won in DC. 
CLECs spent millions with hundreds of lawyers and were regulated almost 
to extinction. Many legal experts predicted that ISP's would win 
Brand-X, and yet we lost - badly. So if someone has a plan on how to go 
to DC and persuade the powers that be... stand up and be voted President.


And if you think that telco rules do not apply to IP, I think that your 
vigilance needs work, because VOIP is IP and there are many, many rules 
in place for that.. E-911 is very difficult and costs Vonage millions to 
implement and maintain. CALEA on VOIP makes tapping your network look 
like grade school stuff.  And there is case after case fighting this - 
all lost in federal court.


One final point, in today's infrastructure, IP is a replacement 
communication system - indeed that is what it is marketed as. Also, in 
today's political environment to say that you don't want to be compliant 
with CALEA is not PC. You don't want to help catch child porn? Terrorists?


Mark, you make valid points. So take the lead. Draft a message to the 
DOJ, the FCC, and  Congress. Distribute them. Start getting them faxed 
in. You need 7 to go to each person. (7 different ones).


Regards,

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-24 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Mikrotik hasn't realized yet how much money they can make by implementing
CALEA 100% and charging $100-$200 extra for a CALEA specific capture
license...

- Original Message - 
From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23


 But does that meet CALEA specs? Not really, since it does not do the
 MD5 hash and such. At least that is what I get from reading about
 CALEA. Basically if a TTP doesn't sign off on it you might be at the
 wrong end of a investigation when the lawyers start saying it was not
 captured correctly. You should talk to your lawyer about it and not
 take my opinion of it as anything but just what it is, stinky just
 like every ones.


 On 4/23/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You're reading too much into it.
 
  They're right.  The ability is there to mirror every packet to/from a IP
  address onto disk.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of ralph
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:23 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23
 
  It is lame because it is a feature that the user community needs and
  wants,
  and the vendor is passing the buck.
 
  Not surprising, concerning their actions on FCC certification of other
  products.
 
  Mikrotik makes dandy router software and I support them on that.
 
  We do use the PC version in some POPs
 
 
 
  Open CALEA is just not yet ready for prime time, however the compliance
  date
  loometh soon.
 
 
 
  The CALEA tap/probe should be something that can be done in the router
  (I
  think that's how Cisco implemented it).
 
  Because Imagestream will have it ready May 1st, we went with their box
  just
  to have something that works now has been tested with the FBI.
 
  I'd just like to feel that the company who many of us support heavily
  should
  listen to and support its customers better.
 
 
 
  I've seen your posts and am well aware that one can capture all traffic
  via
  mirror port and hand the whole shebang over to the LEA, or we can spend
  hours wading through it and massaging data (which I think might cause it
  to
  be tainted). We've probably all captured users' traffic before and
  probably
  all know how to run Ethereal.
 
 
 
  I'd just like to see an accepted method that doesn't take an abundance
  of
  time to institute and maintain.
 
 
 
  I'm curious- do you have a solution, working now, that uses the hardware
  you
  mention and OpenCALEA to deliver a product that will be accepted by law
  enforcement, or are you just talking concepts?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
_
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:55 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23
 
 
 
  Why is that lame? I don't see where this is Mikrotik's problem or issue.
 
  I'm going to keep saying this over and over and over (started over a
  year
  ago). Use a smart ethernet switch and mirror your main internet
  connection
  to a box that can capture the traffic. Then use something like openCalea
  (www.opencalea.org). Even if you have to buy a switch, a box to run the
  software, etc. you are less than $500 total. If you have multiple NOC's,
  $500 per location is cheap.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  ralph wrote:
 
  I asked:
 
 
 
  I have 3 of your licensed routers (level 4) When do you plan to
  release a version of RouterOS that is CALEA compliant?
 
  Thank You
 
 
 
 
  They Replied:
 
  Hello,
 
  It already is, you simply have to enable sniffer of all traffic, and
  store
  the raw data on a server that captures it. You can also use smart
  switches
  that can mirror ports to a capturing server. See discussions on our
  forum on
  this topic.
 
  Regards,
  Normunds
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-24 Thread Jeromie Reeves

The way I understand it, is that Mark has to do the capture. His
provider can not do it for him. Also per a previous conversation the
tap needs to be done at the CPE. To me that should be real simple with
a few firewall rules in the CPE or at worst the AP. If PPPoE were in
use then it would be fairly simple to be sure of getting the clients
traffic. Part of Marks (and others) objections is that that we have to
pay to be compliant. That IMO is BS. I have no problem with providing
any LEA with a port that has the stream they are asking for but they
should be paying for the sniffer. That would be the best thing, since
the LEA can then handle the chain of evidence securely. Is it possible
to have WISPA request that and keep on it?

On 4/24/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


While I'm sure the statement this is not universally possible is
technically correct (the best kind of correct!) I believe you're
seriously over-estimating the difficulty. I'd wager most of us already
have, somewhere in our network, a decent managed switch that can be
configured to spit out the requested data. Feed said data into a cheap
PC with a big hard drive (another thing that most of us already have),
filter out the specific bits the government wants, spit it out. If this
takes more than a couple hours to set up, there's something seriously
weird going on with your network.



Oh, and I do not.   I have NO PLACE within my network where traffic  can be
tapped.  None.  Zilch.   Not cpe, not ap's, not my gateway at my provider's.
You'd actually have to go upstream, to my providers server room to do that.
That is as close as I can get.


I would call Bull here. At the point where you connect to your upstream is what 
can be referred to as the Edge device in your network. If that Edge device was 
a FreeBSD ROuter or an ImageStream or a Cisco 7200, then you are probably in 
compliance, as all 3 devices can provide the Feds with the tap they want.

- Peter

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-24 Thread Matt

Mikrotik hasn't realized yet how much money they can make by implementing
CALEA 100% and charging $100-$200 extra for a CALEA specific capture
license...


I could not agree more!

Matt
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Re: [WISPA] The OECD just released its broadband stats for December.

2007-04-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Dawn, go look at last spring's PEW report on the internet.  The numbers (and 
%) of wireless broadband is much higher according to PEW.


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- Original Message - 
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: [WISPA] The OECD just released its broadband stats for December.



All,

http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html

   * The breakdown of broadband technologies in December 2006 is as 
follows:

 - DSL : 62%
 - Cable modem : 29%
 - FTTH/FTTB : 7%
 - Other (e.g. satellite, fixed wireless, powerline communication) : 
2%


Wireless Providers have made some improvements in market share but not 
enough to say they are a force to be reckoned with.


Canada has a lower population density than the US yet they still kicked 
butt in broadband penetration.


   Broadband penetration Population 
density

(subscribers per 100 inhabitants, Dec. 2006)(inhab/km2, 2005)
   Canada 23.83.0
   United States19.6 
32.0


More interesting facts from the link below;
http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Hotels for ISPCON - Ho-Jo's $49-$89

2007-04-24 Thread Frank Muto
The hotel is within walking distance of the Rosen Centre Hotel and I have 
already booked a 3-night stay at $49 per-nite. I just called and they have some 
rooms left, so I would get a jump on these now. Wi-Fi access is available. As 
for AirFare, if you are in an Airtran MSA, I booked a one-way to Orlando for 
$54 w/taxes $64.40.


Howard Johnson Plaza 
9956 Hawaiian Court
(Off International Dr.)
Orlando, FL 32819-8101 US
 
Phone: 407-351-5100
Fax: 407-352-7188



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customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current $595
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- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Hotels for ISPCON


 ISPCON on May 23-25 is at the Rosen Centre Hotel (@ 9840 International Dr)
 Nearby is the Rosen Plaza Hotel @ 9700 International Dr
 Both have openings as of right now on Kayak.com between $126 and $133 
 per night.
 
 Comfort Inn, Best Western and Quality Inn are $59-$69 per night.
 (The only Comfort Inn I can vouch for is at the corner of International 
 Drive and Sandlake. Brand new. 2 miles away. TGI Fridays is in front, so 
 you can walk to drink and eat). Check tripadvisor.com for reviews.
 
 9101 International Drive (I-Drive) is Pointe Orlando 
 (http://www.pointeorlando.com).
 Quality Inn Plaza and Embassy Suites are closest to the Pointe.
 Pointe Orlando has a Starbucks, Adobe Gila's (home of the 64 oz. 
 Margarita (http://www.adobegilas.com)), Capital Grille (expensive steak 
 house), Hooters, and Maggiano’s Little Italy, where we were going to 
 hold a dinner. However, since there are WISPA  FISPA meetings on the 
 23rd evening, Adobe's may be a better idea. The 24th is ISP-CEO. The 
 25th is Friday night and I am probably heading home at that point.
 
 --- If anyone is coming in on the 22nd, let me know! (Or staying beyond 
 the 25th).
 
 A trolley can take you up and down I-Drive for a nominal fee, BTW.
 
 SeaWorld is just down the street. And Disney is 20 minutes away.
 
 Closest airport is MCO (Orlando International).
 Next closest is probably Tampa - about 2 hours away.
 
 Frank Muto is giving away passes.
 WISPA has a code for free exhibit or discount full passes.
 RAD-INFO does to.
 If nothing else, buy a full day pass Thursday - you get to hear me speak 
 at 8:45 AM and you get to go to ISP-CEO at 6:30 PM, for just $205!
 
 Regards,
 
 Peter Radizeski
 RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
 We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
 813.963.5884
 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com
 
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[WISPA] service exchange contract

2007-04-24 Thread Gino Villarini
Anyone has a service for tower exchange contract that I could get some
ideas from ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Re: [WISPA] service exchange contract

2007-04-24 Thread John Scrivner

Gino,
I share agreements with paid WISPA Principal members. Send a bit more 
information about the agreement you are looking for and I will share one 
of mine for you to use as a sample. You need to interact with 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and she will help you on this effort.

Scriv


Gino Villarini wrote:


Anyone has a service for tower exchange contract that I could get some
ideas from ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 


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[WISPA] Good advice for us all

2007-04-24 Thread John Scrivner
Sometimes it is easy to forget what the pitfalls can be of working in a 
virtual online community. I have never seen anyone do a better job of 
identifying and characterizing how best to deal with these challenges 
than two guys from Google who made this presentation which is actually 
geared for the online open source development community. See it here:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645

If you do not want to watch the whole thing then at least look at 11:00 
minutes through 12:30 and maybe 30:00 through 31:00 minutes.  I saw some 
things in here that I was guilty of and I am not pointing fingers at 
anyone. If you think I am pointing a finger at you then all I can say is 
that maybe the mirror hurts!  :-)   Enjoy.

Scriv

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[WISPA] CALEA articles

2007-04-24 Thread Peter R.

A collection of CALEA info:
http://www.rad-info.net/fcc/calea4.htm

BTW, I even included some links to stuff that Mark would like.


Regards,

Peter Radizeski
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Re: [WISPA] Hotels for ISPCON Ho-Jo's $49-89

2007-04-24 Thread Frank Muto
The hotel is within walking distance of the Rosen Centre Hotel and I have 
already booked a 3-night stay at $49 per-nite. I just called and they have 
some rooms left, so I would get a jump on these now. Wi-Fi access is 
available. As for AirFare, if you are in an Airtran MSA, I booked a one-way 
to Orlando for $54 w/taxes $64.40.



Howard Johnson Plaza
9956 Hawaiian Court
(Off International Dr.)
Orlando, FL 32819-8101 US
Phone: 407-351-5100
Fax: 407-352-7188




Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
www.SecureEmailPlus.com


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Sponsored by:
Secure Email Plus
BEARHILLl


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in Orlando, FL. Simply sign up online by May 4, 2007 and use our unique
customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current $595
price of the full-conference pass. Or use our customer code to get a FREE
pass to the exhibit hall and keynotes. http://www.ispcon.com/register.php













- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]




ISPCON on May 23-25 is at the Rosen Centre Hotel (@ 9840 International Dr)
Nearby is the Rosen Plaza Hotel @ 9700 International Dr
Both have openings as of right now on Kayak.com between $126 and $133 per 
night.


Comfort Inn, Best Western and Quality Inn are $59-$69 per night.
(The only Comfort Inn I can vouch for is at the corner of International 
Drive and Sandlake. Brand new. 2 miles away. TGI Fridays is in front, so 
you can walk to drink and eat). Check tripadvisor.com for reviews.


9101 International Drive (I-Drive) is Pointe Orlando 
(http://www.pointeorlando.com).

Quality Inn Plaza and Embassy Suites are closest to the Pointe.
Pointe Orlando has a Starbucks, Adobe Gila's (home of the 64 oz. Margarita 
(http://www.adobegilas.com)), Capital Grille (expensive steak house), 
Hooters, and Maggiano’s Little Italy, where we were going to hold a 
dinner. However, since there are WISPA  FISPA meetings on the 23rd 
evening, Adobe's may be a better idea. The 24th is ISP-CEO. The 25th is 
Friday night and I am probably heading home at that point.


--- If anyone is coming in on the 22nd, let me know! (Or staying beyond 
the 25th).


A trolley can take you up and down I-Drive for a nominal fee, BTW.

SeaWorld is just down the street. And Disney is 20 minutes away.

Closest airport is MCO (Orlando International).
Next closest is probably Tampa - about 2 hours away.

Frank Muto is giving away passes.
WISPA has a code for free exhibit or discount full passes.
RAD-INFO does to.
If nothing else, buy a full day pass Thursday - you get to hear me speak 
at 8:45 AM and you get to go to ISP-CEO at 6:30 PM, for just $205!


Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884
http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com 


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Re: [WISPA] CALEA articles

2007-04-24 Thread Jack Unger

Peter,

Thank you very much for taking the time to prepare this very informative 
CALEA page and especially for the following link:


http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/CALEA/?f=faq.html

jack


Peter R. wrote:

A collection of CALEA info:
http://www.rad-info.net/fcc/calea4.htm

BTW, I even included some links to stuff that Mark would like.


Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com




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[WISPA] CHASE/ARE YOU THERE?

2007-04-24 Thread CHUCK PROFITO


C


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA


Chase, 
Yesterday,  we set up a mini in a restaurant for a open access hotspot.
Worked excellent, except, We can't ping through to OUR gateway , and we cant
ssh using putty, into our system.  Why are we being blocked?  How can we get
around this network monitoring problem, we use the various hotspots for our
connivance too.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California

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Re: [WISPA] CHASE/ARE YOU THERE?

2007-04-24 Thread Chase Phillips

Hi Chuck,

Yes, I'm here.  I (and the rest of the Meraki team) monitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for emails describing issues people are having with
their network, but I'm not watching this list for that kind of email.

From now on, you should definitely send this kind of message to

[EMAIL PROTECTED] to get it in front of us at the right place.

On 4/24/07, CHUCK  PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



C


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA


Chase,
Yesterday,  we set up a mini in a restaurant for a open access hotspot.
Worked excellent, except, We can't ping through to OUR gateway , and we cant
ssh using putty, into our system.  Why are we being blocked?  How can we get
around this network monitoring problem, we use the various hotspots for our
connivance too.


Out of your networks in Dashboard, it looks like 'Diamond-Bar' is
configured as a captive portal, which means that non-HTTP traffic is
restricted until the user clicks on the continue link in the splash
page.  Is Diamond-Bar the network that has the difficulty?

If so and you'd prefer to let SSH and ICMP traffic pass through
without requiring users to first click on the splash page continue
link, use Dashboard to change that network's captive portal setting to
'no'.  The setting can be found under the Configure tab, in the
'advanced' subtab.



Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California

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RE: [WISPA] CHASE/ARE YOU THERE?

2007-04-24 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
We will try it, thank you!

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chase Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CHASE/ARE YOU THERE?


Hi Chuck,

Yes, I'm here.  I (and the rest of the Meraki team) monitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for emails describing issues people are having with
their network, but I'm not watching this list for that kind of email.
From now on, you should definitely send this kind of message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to get it in front of us at the right place.

On 4/24/07, CHUCK  PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 C


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:56 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA


 Chase,
 Yesterday,  we set up a mini in a restaurant for a open access hotspot.
 Worked excellent, except, We can't ping through to OUR gateway , and we
cant
 ssh using putty, into our system.  Why are we being blocked?  How can we
get
 around this network monitoring problem, we use the various hotspots for
our
 connivance too.

Out of your networks in Dashboard, it looks like 'Diamond-Bar' is
configured as a captive portal, which means that non-HTTP traffic is
restricted until the user clicks on the continue link in the splash
page.  Is Diamond-Bar the network that has the difficulty?

If so and you'd prefer to let SSH and ICMP traffic pass through
without requiring users to first click on the splash page continue
link, use Dashboard to change that network's captive portal setting to
'no'.  The setting can be found under the Configure tab, in the
'advanced' subtab.


 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

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